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Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:17 pm

Is UTA. Tri-Met is a very close second.
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Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:25 pm

I have a lot of love for the London Rail/Underground/Bus system. Very clean and seems to run on time. To fair, I've only had limited exposure to it, but compared to the NYC/NJ network, the London system is a dream.
 
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Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:57 pm

Oslo has the best transit system by far that I’ve seen
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Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:16 pm

London Underground for sure, but then that's only part of a wider network. It l8nks with National Rail, London Buses, Trams, London Overground etc etc.

Specifically... London Underground Victoria Line is the correct one.
 
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Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:41 pm

Been to very many parts of the globe, but for me the Moscow Metro is up high on the list. Consistent service with super low intervals between trains (30 seconds during peak hours), very rare disruptions and barely any closures compared to other systems.
 
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Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:33 pm

Out of the transit systems I have the most experience with Oslo is number 1 for me. Easily accessible, and reliable.

Copenhagen is great too, just wish the Metro was already more than just two lines.

In terms of rail transit I like Munich, but besides one bus route I haven’t tried their bus system.

I’ll give Los Angeles an A for effort. Everyone I know seems to assume their transit system would be garbage, but they’ve made great progress.
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:15 am

I enjoyed Taipei quite a bit.
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:20 am

Singapore, Greater Tokyo Area with JR East, Subways and Private Railways and Vancouver are my favorites mainly because aside from Planes I am into Trains.

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Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:35 am

The correct transit system is the one that gets you where you want to go in the most efficient manner.

The London Underground is not the correct transit system if I'm in London, KY.
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:23 am

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The correct transit system is the one that gets you where you want to go in the most efficient manner.

The London Underground is not the correct transit system if I'm in London, KY.


When I lived in California my Sprint bill was mailed to me with a return address of London, KY.

Which is incorrect because a) London is in England or Ontario, and 2) towns in Kentucky are called Louisville, Frankfort, or Lexington.
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:33 am

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Which is incorrect because a) London is in England or Ontario, and 2) towns in Kentucky are called Louisville, Frankfort, or Lexington.


Don't forget about Covington, Paducah and Bowling Green...and London.
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:51 am

fr8mech wrote:
Airstud wrote:
Which is incorrect because a) London is in England or Ontario, and 2) towns in Kentucky are called Louisville, Frankfort, or Lexington.


Don't forget about Covington, Paducah and Bowling Green...and London.


Well no, I said Louisville, Frankfort, or Lexington.

However, I will grant Covington, since I have in fact been in the CVG airport.

So that is four towns, that Kentucky has.
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:33 am

Jouhou wrote:
I enjoyed Taipei quite a bit.


Excellent system and one of the easiest to get around in as a new user. Taipei's Bus system however took me a really long time to figure out. ...

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Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:27 pm

I know very few people would agree with me, but I really like New York’s Subway. It’s not the most visually appealing, parts of it aren’t maintained as well as they could be, but you can get to almost anywhere in Manhattan that you might need to go.

I can’t really comment on many other cities. I live in Philadelphia, and our public transit SUCKS. I rode the subway in Montreal once, and buses in Israel a few times, so I can’t reallt comment on them.

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Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:47 pm

Honorary mention for the Glasgow Subway, Britain's other tube.

Really simple, it forms a complete circle and your only two choices are the inner line and outer line (depending on whether you wish to go clockwise/anti-clockwise).

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I kinda like the DC Metro, even more considering it managed to rise from the sewer that is DC area politics.
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:56 pm

Airstud wrote:
fr8mech wrote:
The correct transit system is the one that gets you where you want to go in the most efficient manner.

The London Underground is not the correct transit system if I'm in London, KY.


When I lived in California my Sprint bill was mailed to me with a return address of London, KY.

Which is incorrect because a) London is in England or Ontario, and 2) towns in Kentucky are called Louisville, Frankfort, or Lexington.


I thought it was Loudon KY? I had Sprint for like five minutes and went, faster than lightning, back to Verizon. But, that is for another thread....
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:46 pm

Cadet985 wrote:
I know very few people would agree with me, but I really like New York’s Subway. It’s not the most visually appealing, parts of it aren’t maintained as well as they could be, but you can get to almost anywhere in Manhattan that you might need to go.

I can’t really comment on many other cities. I live in Philadelphia, and our public transit SUCKS. I rode the subway in Montreal once, and buses in Israel a few times, so I can’t reallt comment on them.

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NYC has by far the most extensive system in the US. It's just that we abandoned our transit systems for far too long and let them decay. If you haven't seen the subway in another country, you might not be aware of how they tend to be light years ahead of us.
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:14 pm

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Copenhagen is great too, just wish the Metro was already more than just two lines.


They are working on it.
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:22 pm

Jouhou wrote:
NYC has by far the most extensive system in the US. It's just that we abandoned our transit systems for far too long and let them decay. If you haven't seen the subway in another country, you might not be aware of how they tend to be light years ahead of us.

The NYC transit system can get almost anywhere in the city at almost any time of the day or night. And more often then not, there's someone playing music or singing in the station or on the train. Where else can you get a train ride and a concert for $2.50?
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:42 pm

Moose135 wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
NYC has by far the most extensive system in the US. It's just that we abandoned our transit systems for far too long and let them decay. If you haven't seen the subway in another country, you might not be aware of how they tend to be light years ahead of us.

The NYC transit system can get almost anywhere in the city at almost any time of the day or night. And more often then not, there's someone playing music or singing in the station or on the train. Where else can you get a train ride and a concert for $2.50?


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Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:57 pm

Presently in New York, the state of the Metro makes me appreciate the London Underground so much more than I have previously !!
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:32 am

Cadet985 wrote:
I know very few people would agree with me, but I really like New York’s Subway. It’s not the most visually appealing, parts of it aren’t maintained as well as they could be, but you can get to almost anywhere in Manhattan that you might need to go.

I can’t really comment on many other cities. I live in Philadelphia, and our public transit SUCKS. I rode the subway in Montreal once, and buses in Israel a few times, so I can’t reallt comment on them.

Marc


That's why I struggle with this topic. The most useful networks are also the most decayed.

Ones that impressed me were Tokyo, Beijing, Kiev, NYC, London, Paris. Ones that kind of impressed me were DC, Toronto, Helsinki, Amsterdam, Montreal, Portland
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:45 am

Madrid and London are amazing!!! I like portland for the US. I also enjoyed BKK.

BART is my least favorite along with Miami which has barely anything expect for the people move and a train to up to Ft. Lauderdale. SFO really needs to improve BART and lower its price!!
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:40 am

I forgot Amsterdam. Seeing their tram system kind of gives me a sense of what we (Minneapolis/St. Paul) had before we obliterated ours and are now slowly picking up the pieces.
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:35 am

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I’ll give Los Angeles an A for effort. Everyone I know seems to assume their transit system would be garbage, but they’ve made great progress.


NYC, Chicago, Washington D.C., etc. have viable public transportation systems that will get you around efficiently, no matter where you’re at. Los Angeles isn’t even close. Routes are often limited, usually centered around hub areas, as are hours. Most cities in the US extend hours during events, but not here. I would happily take a bus to/from a Lakers game rather than spending an hour hunting for a parking spot... but the service just isn’t viable after hours... won’t stop a few billion more tosses at it..
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af773atmsp wrote:
I’ll give Los Angeles an A for effort. Everyone I know seems to assume their transit system would be garbage, but they’ve made great progress.


NYC, Chicago, Washington D.C., etc. have viable public transportation systems that will get you around efficiently, no matter where you’re at. Los Angeles isn’t even close. Routes are often limited, usually centered around hub areas, as are hours. Most cities in the US extend hours during events, but not here. I would happily take a bus to/from a Lakers game rather than spending an hour hunting for a parking spot... but the service just isn’t viable after hours... won’t stop a few billion more tosses at it..


Like I said, I'll give them an A for EFFORT. Of course they're not on par with NYC, and I don't know about Chicago and Washington since I've only used their subways. I do agree that service hours are limited, I arrived into LAX at midnight and the Metro system was already shut down for the night so I had to take Uber. However even in Boston I had this problem with an early morning flight leaving at 7:30. Even on a weekday the earliest Green Line train wouldn't have me at BOS on time. And yet in Minneapolis/St. Paul our light rail lines pretty much run 24/7 (very light frequency after midnight but it still runs).
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:38 am

Berlin, they might not do a great job of building airports but BVG provides very nice public transport.

Sorry US friends, but your public transport is not even close to European systems.
 
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:32 pm

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However even in Boston I had this problem with an early morning flight leaving at 7:30. Even on a weekday the earliest Green Line train wouldn't have me at BOS on time.


I imagine that's because the Green Line doesn't go to the airport. :biggrin:
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:57 pm

af773atmsp wrote:
compensateme wrote:
af773atmsp wrote:
I’ll give Los Angeles an A for effort. Everyone I know seems to assume their transit system would be garbage, but they’ve made great progress.


NYC, Chicago, Washington D.C., etc. have viable public transportation systems that will get you around efficiently, no matter where you’re at. Los Angeles isn’t even close. Routes are often limited, usually centered around hub areas, as are hours. Most cities in the US extend hours during events, but not here. I would happily take a bus to/from a Lakers game rather than spending an hour hunting for a parking spot... but the service just isn’t viable after hours... won’t stop a few billion more tosses at it..


Like I said, I'll give them an A for EFFORT. Of course they're not on par with NYC, and I don't know about Chicago and Washington since I've only used their subways. I do agree that service hours are limited, I arrived into LAX at midnight and the Metro system was already shut down for the night so I had to take Uber. However even in Boston I had this problem with an early morning flight leaving at 7:30. Even on a weekday the earliest Green Line train wouldn't have me at BOS on time. And yet in Minneapolis/St. Paul our light rail lines pretty much run 24/7 (very light frequency after midnight but it still runs).


Boston is really just a town pretending to be a city, and the T behaves accordingly. :duck:

I do love the T though, NYC transit reminds me of Bombay local trains sometimes.
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Madrid and London are amazing!!! I like portland for the US. I also enjoyed BKK.

BART is my least favorite along with Miami which has barely anything expect for the people move and a train to up to Ft. Lauderdale. SFO really needs to improve BART and lower its price!!


BART is actually reasonably priced if you are not going to SFO or OAK. We found it was cheaper to park in El Cerrito and ride BART to the city than paying the bridge toll and paying for parking. Muni Rail is a bother because it is at the mercy of cars and trucks. Some of the Muni Rail lines are on the street with traffic.
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:39 pm

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af773atmsp wrote:
However even in Boston I had this problem with an early morning flight leaving at 7:30. Even on a weekday the earliest Green Line train wouldn't have me at BOS on time.


I imagine that's because the Green Line doesn't go to the airport. :biggrin:


I was waiting for someone to say this.

What I mean is the earliest Green Line train to make a connection with the Silver Line or Blue Line to BOS wasn't early enough to be on time for my morning flight.
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:49 pm

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vikkyvik wrote:
af773atmsp wrote:
However even in Boston I had this problem with an early morning flight leaving at 7:30. Even on a weekday the earliest Green Line train wouldn't have me at BOS on time.


I imagine that's because the Green Line doesn't go to the airport. :biggrin:


I was waiting for someone to say this.

What I mean is the earliest Green Line train to make a connection with the Silver Line or Blue Line to BOS wasn't early enough to be on time for my morning flight.


Which, is what I said basically.
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Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:13 am

The Singapore MRT system isn't half bad, although I'm surprised they don't have a direct connection to Changi, only a feeder train service.

And Google Maps is no help since it tells me I need to take a bus to get into town.
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I kinda like the DC Metro, even more considering it managed to rise from the sewer that is DC area politics.


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af773atmsp wrote:
vikkyvik wrote:
af773atmsp wrote:
However even in Boston I had this problem with an early morning flight leaving at 7:30. Even on a weekday the earliest Green Line train wouldn't have me at BOS on time.


I imagine that's because the Green Line doesn't go to the airport. :biggrin:


I was waiting for someone to say this.

What I mean is the earliest Green Line train to make a connection with the Silver Line or Blue Line to BOS wasn't early enough to be on time for my morning flight.


And I was waiting for this response.

I knew what you meant - that's why I put the smiley in there (which I generally hate doing).

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I do love the T though


Me too, despite its faults. But I grew up in metro BOS, so there you go.
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I can't speak for the whole Boston transit system, but the Green Line is ancient and shows it. High-floor cars that are far under capacity for rush hour and Red Sox games, crawling speed under Boston where all the lines meet, old underground stations with no air conditioning, and the screeching of steel wheels on steel rails will make your ears bleed. How about another Big Dig, this time for the Green Line?
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How about another Big Dig?


Say that in Boston sometime.

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One which can be built from scratch in the modern era and is not hindered by decades of poor design and therefore one with huge compromises in efficiency. I mean think about it. How many transit systems these days are largely a failure of old design concepts that barely worked in the first place that we’re then expanded in ways that created more problems?

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I kinda like the DC Metro, even more considering it managed to rise from the sewer that is DC area politics.


Yes the DC Metro is my choice. Particularly if we are under a nuclear attack...


I don’t know man. I’ve seen some pretty big cracks in the ceiling and they don’t replace the vehicles frequently enough and they do a piss poor job of maintaining the tracks.
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One which can be built from scratch in the modern era and is not hindered by decades of poor design and therefore one with huge compromises in efficiency. I mean think about it. How many transit systems these days are largely a failure of old design concepts that barely worked in the first place that we’re then expanded in ways that created more problems?


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One which can be built from scratch in the modern era and is not hindered by decades of poor design and therefore one with huge compromises in efficiency. I mean think about it. How many transit systems these days are largely a failure of old design concepts that barely worked in the first place that we’re then expanded in ways that created more problems?

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Revelation wrote:
I kinda like the DC Metro, even more considering it managed to rise from the sewer that is DC area politics.


Yes the DC Metro is my choice. Particularly if we are under a nuclear attack...


I don’t know man. I’ve seen some pretty big cracks in the ceiling and they don’t replace the vehicles frequently enough and they do a piss poor job of maintaining the tracks.


The last time I used the Metro was in the 1990's...
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DIRECTFLT wrote:
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One which can be built from scratch in the modern era and is not hindered by decades of poor design and therefore one with huge compromises in efficiency. I mean think about it. How many transit systems these days are largely a failure of old design concepts that barely worked in the first place that we’re then expanded in ways that created more problems?

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Yes the DC Metro is my choice. Particularly if we are under a nuclear attack...


I don’t know man. I’ve seen some pretty big cracks in the ceiling and they don’t replace the vehicles frequently enough and they do a piss poor job of maintaining the tracks.


The last time I used the Metro was in the 1990's...


I think it’s held together with duct tape and tie down straps now.

One of many stories about the status:

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DIRECTFLT wrote:
Revelation wrote:
I kinda like the DC Metro, even more considering it managed to rise from the sewer that is DC area politics.


Yes the DC Metro is my choice. Particularly if we are under a nuclear attack...


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Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:03 am

In London I noticed that tube stops are quite far apart. Compared to Paris, where they're very close to each other (a bit too much in fact). So the Paris metro gets you really close to where you want to go, but maybe not as fast as it could do with less stops.
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In London I noticed that tube stops are quite far apart. Compared to Paris, where they're very close to each other (a bit too much in fact). So the Paris metro gets you really close to where you want to go, but maybe not as fast as it could do with less stops.


I dunno, in central London I feel that there is a tube station quite near to wherever I want to be, maybe not so much when you move out from the centre. I think the only place that required a bit of a walk recently was from Elephant & Castle station to the Imperial War Museum.
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BlueberryWheats wrote:
Aesma wrote:
In London I noticed that tube stops are quite far apart. Compared to Paris, where they're very close to each other (a bit too much in fact). So the Paris metro gets you really close to where you want to go, but maybe not as fast as it could do with less stops.


I dunno, in central London I feel that there is a tube station quite near to wherever I want to be, maybe not so much when you move out from the centre. I think the only place that required a but of a walk recently was from Elephant & Castle station to the Imperial War Museum.


When I visited London, the station closest to our hotel was Queensway on the Central line.

Slightly farther away was Bayswater on the District & Circle lines.








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Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:44 am

af773atmsp wrote:
I can't speak for the whole Boston transit system, but the Green Line is ancient and shows it. High-floor cars that are far under capacity for rush hour and Red Sox games, crawling speed under Boston where all the lines meet, old underground stations with no air conditioning, and the screeching of steel wheels on steel rails will make your ears bleed. How about another Big Dig, this time for the Green Line?

If another big dig happens in BOS, the North-South rail link to me is a much more needed project than replacing the Green Line. The only real part of the green line that is problematic is the part below the common, specifically near Boylston station and that 90 degree turn approaching it. If this was straightened up a bit (Which would also require a reconstruction of the station) it would help immensely. Once the Green Line north is finished, all the Green Line infastructrure north of Haymarket is pretty much brand new (Save for the one small stretch near Science Park). There really isnt much of an issue with the infastructure west of Arlington either.

The North South rail link though would be far more beneficial. People from the north can commute closer to where the jobs actually are. Amtrak can run trains from Penn Station all the way to Maine. The MBTA would need less cars than today, allowing Keolis more time to actually fix stuff. The benefits are endless. Too bad the cost is high.


As for my favorite transit system (Correct is a subjective term), the Tokyo Metro has been my favorite. Its clean, extremely efficient, and very easy to navigate. I also like the London Underground, though like the MBTA, it also shows it age.

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