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Saudia suspends Canada service

Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:03 am

Amid a growing dispute, Saudia will suspend all flights to YYZ starting next week.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/07/middleea ... index.html
 
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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:35 am

Perfect news for TK. :)
 
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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:14 am

Really unfortunate timing as thousands of Canadians going on Hajj this year will be left stranded. Don't think anyone has slack capacity to JED/MED this time of year.
 
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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:47 am

How childish!
They did the same with Qatar.
Dictatorships are very sensitive to criticism.
What is the actual traffic between Canada and Saudi? I guess that the situation will become complicated for Canadian expats in Saudi.. indeed Canadian Muslims wishing to visit Mecca. Are there Large number of Saudi students in Canada?
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:16 am

ME720 wrote:
How childish!
They did the same with Qatar.
Dictatorships are very sensitive to criticism.
What is the actual traffic between Canada and Saudi? I guess that the situation will become complicated for Canadian expats in Saudi.. indeed Canadian Muslims wishing to visit Mecca. Are there Large number of Saudi students in Canada?


There were 12000 Saudi students in Canada, they have also been pulled out.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:08 am

What's their frequency already?
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:16 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
What's their frequency already?


They were 4x weekly.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:33 am

This rift looks like it will lead to the severing of diplomatic ties between the two countries. The Saudis have reportedly pulled their students out of Canadian Universities. They also expelled the Canadian Ambassador and should be recalling their ambassador in Canada back to Saudi Arabia
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:33 am

If this crisis will escalate that air space will be blocked, All Saudi flights to the US will be affected. Saudi Arabia used this act against Qatar and for many years against Israel.
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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:41 am

From an aviation perspective, it is unfortunate to see a foreign carrier go, especially this year, where YYZ is going to be so close to 50 million pax for the year, any small shift could upset the balance one way or the other.

It was reported on another thread discussing this issue that thee demand between YYZ and KSA was roughly 60000-70000 pax annually. Lets say that a significant portion of that traffic decides not to travel to Toronto in the future, maybe half, that still leaves a significant unserved market. There are still existing business and cultural interests that will need servicing, I suppose that might fall to connections, let alone others who in the past would have flown SV to get to places like the gulf or Pakistan. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, it certainly won't hurt other carriers, however, still a loss at the end of the day.

Anyone with a greater insight on this specific route/demand profile, I welcome the feedback. I am just trying to get a sense of exactly how this will affect Toronto and CYYZ.
 
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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:52 am

BML87 wrote:
Amid a growing dispute, Saudia will suspend all flights to YYZ starting next week.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/07/middleea ... index.html


And all it took was one tacky tweet from the Saudi Royal Family. They've now admitted to being terrorists...
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:02 pm

EL-AL wrote:
If this crisis will escalate that air space will be blocked, All Saudi flights to the US will be affected. Saudi Arabia used this act against Qatar and for many years against Israel.


Looking at the map (Google maps now has a globe which makes this much easier for those who didn't know). It looks like SV could continue IAD and JFK without access to Canadian airspace pretty easily. LAX would maybe be possible on a 77W but it's certainly getting to some range limits by routing under Nova Scotia.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:05 pm

Saudis criticize Canada about our "bad morals" and "evil ways" all the time but that's OK. We are infidels but that's OK. As far as I'm concerned they can be hypocrites and stay away from Canada as long as they want.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:38 pm

BML87 wrote:
Amid a growing dispute, Saudia will suspend all flights to YYZ starting next week.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/07/middleea ... index.html

So who is this hurting? canada or the Saudi's? If you want to play on the world stage? Then you suffer the consequences because people are going to think and SAY what the hell EVER they please and the Saudi's can't do a damn thing about it! It's Not like you can pull your OPEC Oil anymore. You need the money as bad as you need to sell the OIL!
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:42 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
This rift looks like it will lead to the severing of diplomatic ties between the two countries. The Saudis have reportedly pulled their students out of Canadian Universities. They also expelled the Canadian Ambassador and should be recalling their ambassador in Canada back to Saudi Arabia

Then let THEM educate their Kids! Is Canada going to fold it's tent because the Saudi's are Hacked OFF?? They're trying to push power they don't Have!!
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:09 pm

Tens of passengers were inconvenienced :hyper:
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:11 pm

I'm sure Canada is devastated by this horrible news.
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:38 pm

I'm sure this is a really big deal for Canada.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:38 pm

I'm really curious if Canada is ballsy enough to block their airspace for Saudi planes.
KSA is doing the same with Israel and Qatar so they could not even complain much.
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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:06 pm

Hopefully this should pass quickly - if past disputes like the Canada-UAE airline dispute 7-8 years ago is any indication how this conflict will resolve itself.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/dispute-prompts-uae-to-rebuff-canadian-officials-1.561935
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:40 pm

LH748 wrote:
I'm really curious if Canada is ballsy enough to block their airspace for Saudi planes.
KSA is doing the same with Israel and Qatar so they could not even complain much.


I'm not sure it should be a question of Canada's willingness to be assertive so much as a question of whether doing so will accomplish anything productive, or merely exacerbate the conflict.

Canada has the option to simply continue to openly state their objections to Saudi domestic policies and let the latter decide if and when they're willing to face the criticisms openly or even better, address them, or stick with isolating themselves.

toxtethogrady wrote:
And all it took was one tacky tweet from the Saudi Royal Family. They've now admitted to being terrorists...


If you're referring to the image of the Air Canada plane flying towards Canada (away from the viewer - ie Saudi Arabia):

When an unclear message has multiple possible interpretations, it is questionable at best to automatically choose the most extreme possible meaning. When the party who created the message clarifies the intended meaning, it is downright disingenuous to deliberately spread confusion about the message.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:25 pm

Talk about Saudi Arabia being petty! I fully expect an airspace embargo, which will definitely force a retiming of their US nonstop services. This should also affect travel to JFK during UN week.

As for politics, it can’t be avoided here, but only as it relates here. Canada should not restore overflight rights (if the suspension occurs) until there is a formal apology to Canada from KSA.
 
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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:57 pm

An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

While I am far from a pacifist, and I believe in justified responses, closing the airspace to the Saudis would only promote bad faith. Canada hasn't done anything wrong here (or really done anything for that matter), there is no need to exacerbate an already tense situation. Let it play out, and hope for a quick and beneficial resolution.

Back on topic, which seems difficult in this thread, I just hope it helps out some of YYZ's other carriers, especially BA. BA has flights to Saudi Arabia, and has taken a beating at YYZ in the past few years, they have lost over half their market share. This could be the push they need to start growing here again.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:58 pm

I think most Canadians are amused by KSA's reaction. Canada is not Qatar. Canada's business and cultural relationship with the Saudi is extremely limited. I am not sure why Saudia flies to YYZ in the first place. May be they have too many planes that they don't know where to send to? They may be picking up some low yielding traffic connecting to India, but they surely do not have impressive connectivity like EK or EY.

As for pulling all the students, I think most people's reaction is that this is great news, because we are experiencing severe housing shortage in major cities and rents are pushed sky-high in recent years. Pulling 12000 students mean freeing 12000 apartment units in major cities in a very short time. The universities will not be concern about this too. The queue of international students trying to get admission is long.

From the news, it is not clear if Saudi will stop selling oil to Canada. But if it does, the premier of Alberta will be laughing and calling the King to personally thank him. If that happens, this would be a huge boost to the flagging economy of Alberta.

No matter from which angle I try to see this, this is actually very good news for Canada and ordinary Canadians. No down side, only up side.

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Talk about Saudi Arabia being petty! I fully expect an airspace embargo, which will definitely force a retiming of their US nonstop services. This should also affect travel to JFK during UN week.

As for politics, it can’t be avoided here, but only as it relates here. Canada should not restore overflight rights (if the suspension occurs) until there is a formal apology to Canada from KSA.


This is an interesting idea. But we Canadians are gentle people. I don't think Ottawa will do this. But I would not mind if it does. :)
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:25 pm

Good on Canada for taking a tough stance on Saudi Arabia. I wish the US would stand up to that backwater. They are no better than Iran and in many ways much much worse.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:44 pm

In Canada there are 16,000 students holding Saudi citizenship. They have now been asked to look for new universities from Sept in EU UK USA Australia. God knows how they will given the lead time and the fact all admissions for Fall 2018 are closed worldwide.

In 2017 the point to point demand between Toronto and JED was 47,000 pax whilst RUH was 24,000.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:09 pm

I'm out of the loop, what's the issue between these two countries?
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:10 pm

raylee67 wrote:
As for pulling all the students, I think most people's reaction is that this is great news, because we are experiencing severe housing shortage in major cities and rents are pushed sky-high in recent years. Pulling 12000 students mean freeing 12000 apartment units in major cities in a very short time. The universities will not be concern about this too. The queue of international students trying to get admission is long.


And what if those 12000 apts are taken up by other foreign students from rest of Asia, how does that give relief to Canadians suffering from the shortage?
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:37 pm

artofzen wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
As for pulling all the students, I think most people's reaction is that this is great news, because we are experiencing severe housing shortage in major cities and rents are pushed sky-high in recent years. Pulling 12000 students mean freeing 12000 apartment units in major cities in a very short time. The universities will not be concern about this too. The queue of international students trying to get admission is long.


And what if those 12000 apts are taken up by other foreign students from rest of Asia, how does that give relief to Canadians suffering from the shortage?


I don't see how 12,000 other overseas students are going to appear to fill those apartments in time for this university year - the queue may be long, but it is only a matter of a few weeks before classes start. I doubt they'll be able to make offers to overseas students, the students accept them, and any necessary visas get issued in time.

I also doubt if there really are 12,000 apartments freed up. 12,000 bedrooms maybe, but a lot of these students would have been sharing multi-bedroom apartments rather than having an apartment each.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:12 pm

Saudis. They’re so amusing.

“Suspending all future trade.”

Ooooooohhhh
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:24 pm

behramjee wrote:
In Canada there are 16,000 students holding Saudi citizenship. They have now been asked to look for new universities from Sept in EU UK USA Australia. God knows how they will given the lead time and the fact all admissions for Fall 2018 are closed worldwide.

In 2017 the point to point demand between Toronto and JED was 47,000 pax whilst RUH was 24,000.

The Saudi government has told the students to find other universities. Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has said, in a news conference, that Saudi students are welcome to remain in Canada. I wonder how many will simply ignore their gov't and stay in Canada anyhow. It's a big deal to interrupt your work on a Masters or PhD.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:49 pm

aerolimani wrote:
behramjee wrote:
In Canada there are 16,000 students holding Saudi citizenship. They have now been asked to look for new universities from Sept in EU UK USA Australia. God knows how they will given the lead time and the fact all admissions for Fall 2018 are closed worldwide.

In 2017 the point to point demand between Toronto and JED was 47,000 pax whilst RUH was 24,000.

The Saudi government has told the students to find other universities. Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has said, in a news conference, that Saudi students are welcome to remain in Canada. I wonder how many will simply ignore their gov't and stay in Canada anyhow. It's a big deal to interrupt your work on a Masters or PhD.


Most won't have a choice, they are on scholarships sponsored by the Saudi government
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:06 pm

Canada to seek UAE andUK help to diffuse the tension. Let's hope things will improve for the sake of aviation.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saud ... ssion=true
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:24 pm

aerolimani wrote:
behramjee wrote:
In Canada there are 16,000 students holding Saudi citizenship. They have now been asked to look for new universities from Sept in EU UK USA Australia. God knows how they will given the lead time and the fact all admissions for Fall 2018 are closed worldwide.

In 2017 the point to point demand between Toronto and JED was 47,000 pax whilst RUH was 24,000.

The Saudi government has told the students to find other universities. Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has said, in a news conference, that Saudi students are welcome to remain in Canada. I wonder how many will simply ignore their gov't and stay in Canada anyhow. It's a big deal to interrupt your work on a Masters or PhD.


If you don't have anyone to pay for your Masters or PhD including the cost of living in places like Vancouver and Toronto where your family cannot provide, you have no choice but to comply. Not only that, not complying could have consequences on the home front.

Andy33 wrote:
artofzen wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
As for pulling all the students, I think most people's reaction is that this is great news, because we are experiencing severe housing shortage in major cities and rents are pushed sky-high in recent years. Pulling 12000 students mean freeing 12000 apartment units in major cities in a very short time. The universities will not be concern about this too. The queue of international students trying to get admission is long.


And what if those 12000 apts are taken up by other foreign students from rest of Asia, how does that give relief to Canadians suffering from the shortage?


I don't see how 12,000 other overseas students are going to appear to fill those apartments in time for this university year - the queue may be long, but it is only a matter of a few weeks before classes start. I doubt they'll be able to make offers to overseas students, the students accept them, and any necessary visas get issued in time.

I also doubt if there really are 12,000 apartments freed up. 12,000 bedrooms maybe, but a lot of these students would have been sharing multi-bedroom apartments rather than having an apartment each.


Some reprieve perhaps for those people looking for homes, but I doubt that it will have big impact.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:18 pm

berari wrote:
aerolimani wrote:
behramjee wrote:
In Canada there are 16,000 students holding Saudi citizenship. They have now been asked to look for new universities from Sept in EU UK USA Australia. God knows how they will given the lead time and the fact all admissions for Fall 2018 are closed worldwide.

In 2017 the point to point demand between Toronto and JED was 47,000 pax whilst RUH was 24,000.

The Saudi government has told the students to find other universities. Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has said, in a news conference, that Saudi students are welcome to remain in Canada. I wonder how many will simply ignore their gov't and stay in Canada anyhow. It's a big deal to interrupt your work on a Masters or PhD.


If you don't have anyone to pay for your Masters or PhD including the cost of living in places like Vancouver and Toronto where your family cannot provide, you have no choice but to comply. Not only that, not complying could have consequences on the home front.

Indeed, for some students, this is going to be a horrible disruption. I mostly meant to clarify that it is Saudi Arabia telling the students they have to go, and not Canada. It seems terribly cruel for these students to be caught up in this mess, used as pawns.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:29 pm

aerolimani wrote:
The Saudi government has told the students to find other universities. Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has said, in a news conference, that Saudi students are welcome to remain in Canada. I wonder how many will simply ignore their gov't and stay in Canada anyhow. It's a big deal to interrupt your work on a Masters or PhD.


Can the Saudi gov't actually force students to leave Canada?
 
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neomax wrote:
aerolimani wrote:
The Saudi government has told the students to find other universities. Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has said, in a news conference, that Saudi students are welcome to remain in Canada. I wonder how many will simply ignore their gov't and stay in Canada anyhow. It's a big deal to interrupt your work on a Masters or PhD.


Can the Saudi gov't actually force students to leave Canada?


I guess no but they cancelled their scholarships so they would have to pay for tuiton themselves.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:59 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Trump effect, as people seen how Trump has acted. Some country leaders think they should act the same.


Trump has nothing to do with this. The United States' official position is to remain neutral in this quarrel.


The United States is far from neutral in this quarrel no matter what their official stated position is. Saudi-US relations are very strong and there has been nothing but praise of the Saudi regime from Donald Trump. It's a bit puzzling, as Trump certainly has a lot of criticism for many other countries in the world, including strong criticism of (supposedly) close ally, Canada.

If and when SV does resume service to Toronto, I'm afraid that the Saudi government's use of the airline in this diplomatic tantrum really hurts Saudia's credibility and dependability in the eyes of passengers. Who would book a ticket on an airline who's service may be indefinitely suspended at any moment over a twitter post?
 
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xwb777 wrote:
Canada to seek UAE andUK help to diffuse the tension. Let's hope things will improve for the sake of aviation.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saud ... ssion=true


Good luck to Canada, but they're silly if they think that the UAE will help. UAE officials have already released a statement in support of Saudi Arabia against Canada. The UAE has also encouraged other gulf states and countries like Pakistan to join against Canada in support.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:25 pm

And that's the sort of countries that Trump is more than happy to deal with.

Lmao.

Call it ridiculous.

Michael
 
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Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:00 am

eamondzhang wrote:
And that's the sort of countries that Trump is more than happy to deal with.

Lmao.

Call it ridiculous.

Michael


This isn't new. The US has a long history of varying responses to civil rights concerns in Saudi Arabia. I only looked back 20 years for a couple samples, but it goes on longer:
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... ss/478689/
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/23/worl ... audis.html

And it is completely normal (to some degree even understandable) for politicians to change their tone towards nations like Saudi Arabia depending on the context and how it serves them. Characteristically, President Trump has in the past been more dramatic about it than his predecessors:
http://time.com/4785714/donald-trump-saudi-arabia/

Some of the dealings of various presidents with Saudi Arabia have been more substantial than others:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN11D2JQ
 
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Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:17 am

iamlucky13 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
And that's the sort of countries that Trump is more than happy to deal with.

Lmao.

Call it ridiculous.

Michael


This isn't new. The US has a long history of varying responses to civil rights concerns in Saudi Arabia. I only looked back 20 years for a couple samples, but it goes on longer:
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... ss/478689/
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/23/worl ... audis.html

And it is completely normal (to some degree even understandable) for politicians to change their tone towards nations like Saudi Arabia depending on the context and how it serves them. Characteristically, President Trump has in the past been more dramatic about it than his predecessors:
http://time.com/4785714/donald-trump-saudi-arabia/

Some of the dealings of various presidents with Saudi Arabia have been more substantial than others:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN11D2JQ

So true, and same goes for UAE/Bahrain/etc.

However just as some others said, I'm not expecting a response from the USA at all; Trump is and will lick their eggs.

Michael
 
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Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:18 am

As as Canadian I raise a single eyebrow at this news and shrug. KSA is, at best, a low tier trading partner. Canada does more trade in three days with the US than with KSA in a year.

The biggest short term hurt will be in those Medical Residents who are paid to be trained by KSA. Hospitals are suddenly facing the crunch of not having enough doctors on call until the situation is rectified. By the time CaRMS (Canadian Resident Matching Service) matches residency positions again, this may be ameliorated but it is going to cost a lot more money. Those Saudi Arabian residents were being paid for by the KSA and were on top of the regular resident placements from what I understand.
 
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Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:19 am

Wow, that tweet with the CN Tower and Air Canada plane was something else...
Never has gravity been so uplifting.
 
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Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:53 am

eamondzhang wrote:
iamlucky13 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
And that's the sort of countries that Trump is more than happy to deal with.

Lmao.

Call it ridiculous.

Michael


This isn't new. The US has a long history of varying responses to civil rights concerns in Saudi Arabia. I only looked back 20 years for a couple samples, but it goes on longer:
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... ss/478689/
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/23/worl ... audis.html

And it is completely normal (to some degree even understandable) for politicians to change their tone towards nations like Saudi Arabia depending on the context and how it serves them. Characteristically, President Trump has in the past been more dramatic about it than his predecessors:
http://time.com/4785714/donald-trump-saudi-arabia/

Some of the dealings of various presidents with Saudi Arabia have been more substantial than others:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN11D2JQ

So true, and same goes for UAE/Bahrain/etc.

However just as some others said, I'm not expecting a response from the USA at all; Trump is and will lick their eggs.

Michael



Why anyone would expect a US response is beyond me. When was the last time Trump rallied for social justice or human rights? :lol:

If anything, Mr. Trump will tweet that Mr.Trudeau shouldn't be meddling with other countries.
 
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Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:45 am

Trudeau to do list.

1. Cut all bilateral relations with Saudi Arabia, including revoking landing rights and overflight rights to all Saudi airlines.
2. Cut all bilateral relations with countries that support Saudi Arabia, including the U.A.E. Revoke all landing rights and overflight rights of the airlines from these countries.
3 Tell the citizens of these countries living in Canada on work visas/student visas/etc that they have 30 days to return where they came from.
4. Pour yourself a glass of whisky, light up a cigar, and call it a good day at the office !!
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
 
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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:57 am

The president made the right call by not getting involved. This is not our fight and we have nothing to gain by getting in the middle of the dispute. Frankly Canada made a bonehead decision by criticizing KSA. That country is going trough some deep changes and a genuine attempt to modernize their society. Canada's criticism is not helping. There may not be a lot of trade between the two countries but there is certainly a lot trade between KSA allies and Canada. If they all join in in the boycott then Canada will feel the effects.
 
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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:16 am

The Mensa meeting in Riyadh has decided to suspend imports of Canadian wheat and barley. I suspect more ugliness will follow. Probably both sides.

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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:18 am

dz09 wrote:
The president made the right call by not getting involved. This is not our fight and we have nothing to gain by getting in the middle of the dispute. Frankly Canada made a bonehead decision by criticizing KSA. That country is going trough some deep changes and a genuine attempt to modernize their society. Canada's criticism is not helping. There may not be a lot of trade between the two countries but there is certainly a lot trade between KSA allies and Canada. If they all join in in the boycott then Canada will feel the effects.


The USA has nothing to gain by getting involved in the middle of this dispute....other than standing by it’s allies, and also standing up for freedom, liberty, and basic human rights as the most powerful country in the world. Trump is not afraid to criticize China, Iran, Mexico, and other “S-hole countries” (his words) that don’t adhere to American values. But not a negative peep about Saudis. His silence on the current Saudi-Canada situation clarifies that under Trump, the US foreign policy is 100% based on financial gain and nothing else at all. It’s pathetic.
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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:30 am

Rbgso wrote:
I'm out of the loop, what's the issue between these two countries?


Nothing special - Chrystia Freeland yet another time tried to tell someone how to live. As she likes doing it.

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