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Flu Vaccine or No?

Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:33 am

Ok, so I've had just about all my doctors contact me and tell me to make sure I get the flu vaccine this year. Even the radiation oncologist sent me an email reminding me, even though I haven't seen her in over a year.

The radio talking folks said the CDC claimed it would be a bad year for the flu. This, presumably from the folks that put their stamp of approval on last year's vaccine, which was 30'ish percent effective.

I'm probably going to get the vaccine, along with everyone in the house, but I'm wondering whether you folks get it or not.
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Re: Flu Vaccine or No?

Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:34 am

I and my wife get one every year, no problems, no Flu . I would recomend it.
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Re: Flu Vaccine or No?

Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:56 am

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I and my wife get one every year, no problems, no Flu . I would recomend it.


Same here, got it two days ago.
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:03 am

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This, presumably from the folks that put their stamp of approval on last year's vaccine, which was 30'ish percent effective..


You mean 30% effective like in many other years? For H3N2 type viruses that is about the long term average effectiveness.
But you have to add all those people that did get vaccinated and the flu, but just less or much less severe.
The flu virus changes to fast to make the exactly right, close to 100% effective, vaccine, and by the time it is produced and distributed the virus has already changed. Well, tgere never really was that *one* virus to begin with. Evolution is a bitch that way.

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Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:22 am

don't need mine i had mine at school
 
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Re: Flu Vaccine or No?

Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:03 am

fr8mech wrote:
Ok, so I've had just about all my doctors contact me and tell me to make sure I get the flu vaccine this year. Even the radiation oncologist sent me an email reminding me, even though I haven't seen her in over a year.

The radio talking folks said the CDC claimed it would be a bad year for the flu. This, presumably from the folks that put their stamp of approval on last year's vaccine, which was 30'ish percent effective.

I'm probably going to get the vaccine, along with everyone in the house, but I'm wondering whether you folks get it or not.


There are thousands of flu strains going around each year, and the vaccine is different each years as specialists try and predict which up coming strains are going to the most severe - having the flu vaccine doesn't mean you won't get the flu, but it does mean you have more protection against the ones predicted to be the most severe and dangerous.

So yes, have it, regardless of the effectiveness of last years.
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:39 am

I never get vaccinated, and never get the flu.
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:28 pm

Since being diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis in 2000, for which the primary treatment (not cure, no such thing..yet) in my case is the drug Methotrexate, I have had the flu jab every year. Since MTX works to hold back the disease by suppressing the immune system, RA being caused the immune system acting up, why it does so to those it affects is still unclear to medical science. MTX being originally an anti cancer medication, that requires me to have blood tests every two months or so and to avoid alcohol.

So I am potentially more likely to contract flu by taking MTX, it's not happened which might well be due to having the jab, though I have not had any other known effects from lowering the immune system generally over the years either.

Around this time of year, my Doctor's surgery calls and/or texts me to say they have the flu vaccine in, come had have the jab, though this year, last week, my Pharmacy did it, just happened to see them first.
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:45 pm

Every year.
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:06 pm

I say it depends on the area you live in. If the flu is strong where you live or near where you live then yes. If it is not, well, you decide.
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:58 pm

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I never get vaccinated, and never get the flu.


Most people don't get the flu. Most people just get an infection with flu like symptoms.

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Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:09 pm

Never had one
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:40 pm

As a volunteer at the local Children's Hospital, I am required to get one each year. They administer it to us for free, so why not?
Haven't had flu in nearly 20 years, so it can't hurt.
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:14 pm

Never had the flu also never been vaccinated.
 
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Re: Flu Vaccine or No?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:22 am

BartSimpson wrote:
I never get vaccinated, and never get the flu.


I wish you luck when you get older, everything changes and gets more severe.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:47 am

I've never bothered personally as a child I tended to get sicker just from a reaction to the shot than any flu I had ever caught at school, also doesn't help that I have an absolute phobia of doctors and medical settings.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:02 am

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I've never bothered personally as a child I tended to get sicker just from a reaction to the shot than any flu I had ever caught at school, also doesn't help that I have an absolute phobia of doctors and medical settings.


I have known many who do not feel well after the shot, they claim not possible, but it does seem to happen. I have never had any reaction at all from the shots. I do remember many years ago when the Flu would wipe out our whole crew on the job, including Supervisors and keep you out for days and if you went back too early, Bam! sick as a dog because of a relapse. These shots are a Godsend to us now a days. At my age, flu can kill you.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:15 am

WarRI1 wrote:
T18 wrote:
I've never bothered personally as a child I tended to get sicker just from a reaction to the shot than any flu I had ever caught at school, also doesn't help that I have an absolute phobia of doctors and medical settings.


I have known many who do not feel well after the shot, they claim not possible, but it does seem to happen. I have never had any reaction at all from the shots. I do remember many years ago when the Flu would wipe out our whole crew on the job, including Supervisors and keep you out for days and if you went back too early, Bam! sick as a dog because of a relapse. These shots are a Godsend to us now a days. At my age, flu can kill you.


Given that I was but a child the last time it is also very possible that after getting the shot I ended up catching some other bug and have ever since been lucky to never catch anything too terrible.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:33 am

My wife owns a kinder garden so she is in contact with around 80 potential sources of flu every day. I’m 45 y.o. and this year we both get the vaccine for the first time in life. And we get the yellow fever vaccine too only a couple of weeks after the flu vaccination to allow us to travel to some countries with that disease endemic.
We didn’t get any problem, or symptoms, and until now, around three months since the inoculation, we hadn’t flu or even a cold, despite being in several different climates with short periods of time to allow a better adaptation to temperature or humidity changes.
In summary, if your medical doctor doesn’t have any reason to avoid the vaccine, just go for it, should be the best option.

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Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:50 am

I am on the border of this.
I got the vaccine last year, and then came down with a variant that wasn't in the vaccine. Still, I guess I will get it this year.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:52 am

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I have not gotten sick, so six of one.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:00 am

T18 wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
T18 wrote:
I've never bothered personally as a child I tended to get sicker just from a reaction to the shot than any flu I had ever caught at school, also doesn't help that I have an absolute phobia of doctors and medical settings.


I have known many who do not feel well after the shot, they claim not possible, but it does seem to happen. I have never had any reaction at all from the shots. I do remember many years ago when the Flu would wipe out our whole crew on the job, including Supervisors and keep you out for days and if you went back too early, Bam! sick as a dog because of a relapse. These shots are a Godsend to us now a days. At my age, flu can kill you.


Given that I was but a child the last time it is also very possible that after getting the shot I ended up catching some other bug and have ever since been lucky to never catch anything too terrible.


Keep your fingers crossed that it stays that way.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:30 am

I'm not in the target demographic for the vaccine so I've never taken it. I can't remember the last time I got the flu either, more than a decade. Unless I caught the virus and eliminated it in a feverish night, I have those now and then.
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We didn’t get any problem, or symptoms, and until now, around three months since the inoculation, we hadn’t flu or even a cold, despite being in several different climates with short periods of time to allow a better adaptation to temperature or humidity changes.

1. You shouldn't even worry about getting the flu from the flu vaccine. The virus is inactivated, meaning it cannot make you sick.
2. Weather and humidity conditions make you prone to catching a cold or the flu, but they're not solely responsible. Parents in PR, for example, insist that you shouldn't get wet in rain or be out in the night air because you'll get sick; both diseases are due to virus infection, which can only happen from contact with infected surfaces or being too close to someone with the virus. The misconception from this stems from the fact that during winter humidity levels drop, so your nasal passages don't produce enough mucus (which would normally guard against pathogens); in addition, the cold weather makes people spend more time indoors which increases the chances of being exposed to the virus if anyone in the same room caught it. As if that weren't enough, viruses thrive in cold weather so you can get infected when a person with the virus has long left the room.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:31 am

fr8mech wrote:
Ok, so I've had just about all my doctors contact me and tell me to make sure I get the flu vaccine this year.


Er... this has set you wondering whether you should or not?


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My wife owns a kinder garden


Your wife's lucky. My wife's garden is really quite mean.
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Re: Flu Vaccine or No?

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scbriml wrote:
Gonzalo wrote:
My wife owns a kinder garden


Your wife's lucky. My wife's garden is really quite mean.


LOL !! You have a sharp sense of humor !


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Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:03 pm

Work offers them free, so I do. I figure there’s no harm in taking precautions.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:24 pm

I guess this wasn’t a “should I or shouldn’t I” question, it was more of a “are you going to get one”? And, if you’re not, why not?
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:38 pm

Heck no I don't get it. The flu has dramatically increased in frequency and severity of illnesses in my area since the flu shot craze started, and it's indiscriminate whether you get the shot or not. It's an orchestrated medical cash cow. Wish everyone would decline it and help keep us all healthier.
 
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Heck no I don't get it. The flu has dramatically increased in frequency and severity of illnesses in my area since the flu shot craze started


You have empirical data to back that claim up?

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Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:47 am

fr8mech wrote:
Ok, so I've had just about all my doctors contact me and tell me to make sure I get the flu vaccine this year. Even the radiation oncologist sent me an email reminding me, even though I haven't seen her in over a year.


Let me add one more doctor to the mix: yes.

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I have known many who do not feel well after the shot, they claim not possible, but it does seem to happen


You cannot get the flu from the shot. It is impossible. However, the shot is meant to activate the immune system so that you develop immunity to the flu without getting flu. When you get sick, the virus is not what makes you sick (directly). Rather, your immune response to it does. So yes, some mild flu-like symptoms for 1-2 days after the immunization are common and they are *WAY* better than actually getting the flu.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:38 pm

Why should a healthy person need a flu vaccin?
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:41 pm

[threeid][/threeid]
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Why should a healthy person need a flu vaccin?


.... because you may have contact with people that have a weakened immune system, are old or kids perhaps?

Keep in mind that there are pretty much no effective treatments against viral infection and plenty of people can get killed by one.

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Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:14 pm

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[threeid][/threeid]
marcelh wrote:
Why should a healthy person need a flu vaccin?


.... because you may have contact with people that have a weakened immune system, are old or kids perhaps?

Keep in mind that there are pretty much no effective treatments against viral infection and plenty of people can get killed by one.

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Those people get already vaccinated, so why do I need - as a healthy 44 yo - a flu vaccin?
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:25 pm

marcelh wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
[threeid][/threeid]
marcelh wrote:
Why should a healthy person need a flu vaccin?


.... because you may have contact with people that have a weakened immune system, are old or kids perhaps?

Keep in mind that there are pretty much no effective treatments against viral infection and plenty of people can get killed by one.

best regards
Thomas

Those people get already vaccinated, so why do I need - as a healthy 44 yo - a flu vaccin?


Because different from many other vaccines flu vaccines have fairly low success rates and hence herd immunity is even shaky if everyone got the shot.

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Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:35 pm

We will be getting them. With two younger kids who come home with all kinds of who knows what. Better to protect yourself against what you can so you don't compound things later. I don't even get mad if I do end up getting one of the strains not covered. I know I'm protecting myself and others from other potentially more serious strains.
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:42 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
marcelh wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
[threeid][/threeid]

.... because you may have contact with people that have a weakened immune system, are old or kids perhaps?

Keep in mind that there are pretty much no effective treatments against viral infection and plenty of people can get killed by one.

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Thomas

Those people get already vaccinated, so why do I need - as a healthy 44 yo - a flu vaccin?


Because different from many other vaccines flu vaccines have fairly low success rates and hence herd immunity is even shaky if everyone got the shot.

Best regards
Thomas


Huh? Try repeating your statement again, using grammar that is legible.


I'm 33 and have not yet had a flu shot. I reckon that I will at some point.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:10 pm

FriscoHeavy wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
marcelh wrote:
Those people get already vaccinated, so why do I need - as a healthy 44 yo - a flu vaccin?


Because different from many other vaccines flu vaccines have fairly low success rates and hence herd immunity is even shaky if everyone got the shot.

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Huh? Try repeating your statement again, using grammar that is legible.


I can certainly try.
Flu vaccines don't provide immunisation as reliable as many others do, many get close to 100%, but are on average only more or less 50% efficient. There are always people that can't get vaccinated and those are usually protected by heard immunity. With most people around you immune your risk of being exposed to that virus becomes very small, that protects immune compromised people and is called herd immunity. For measles that required 90+% of all people to be immune in order to work. For flu that may require 100% immunisation for the most violent types encountered. So, unless there are medical reasons not to be vaccinated, everyone should be vaccinated against stuff they are likely to pass on if they catch it. Flu is easy to pass on.

I hope that laid out my thoughts in a comprehensible way.

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Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:03 pm

It's strongly recommended for my department and basically required for other departments at my employer. I had never had the flu shot until two years ago. I'll get it for the third year in a row when we start up the annual at-work flu shot program next week.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:18 pm

I’m old enough to have had all those diseases for which there is now a vaccine: chicken pox, rubella, measles, mumps. They were horrible. So I’m all-in for any vaccine that prevents or lessens disease. I get the pneumonia, flu, shingles, tetanus et al vaccines whenever the schedule calls for it. I just don’t understand the reluctance — one of my children is on the autism spectrum and we certainly asked the connection. Every doctor we spoke to said there is no connection. I believe in science, not internet conspiracy theories.

So yes, I’ll be getting the flu shot shortly. The CDC has suggested waiting until October because the efficacy does peak at a certain point, and you want that to coincide with the peak flu season, if possible.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:45 pm

DaveFly, all...

I too lived thru the 1950s when my folks had real fear of the diseases You listed. Reliable vaccines have changed the vaccinated world'... but brought complacency and illiteracy regarding the diseases listed. This is especially true since... as someone pointedly mentioned there is NO guarantee of 100% protection. and the mild discomfort I feel after vaccine shots [stiffness, mild swelling some pain]... is actually a clue that my body's mechanisms are actively reacting to the vaccine in a good way. BTW... folks who don't get vaccines regularly can actually get/pass-on these diseases even though their individual reaction/response is low... lucky dogs...

BTW.. for seniors and others with weakened immune systems... there are usually stronger doses of the basic vaccines available.

I take the 'seniors' rated pneumonia vaccine every 2-years since my immune response is poor... and I had a nasty tendency for pneumonia on a regular basis... which is really scary... my elderly mom died from complications with pneumonia in front-of-me.

I also take the stronger dose flu vaccine... for seniors... for this very reason F leads to P all too often.

I've had NO pneumonia in years since... and only lighter flu and sinus effects overall.

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Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:39 am

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fr8mech wrote:
Ok, so I've had just about all my doctors contact me and tell me to make sure I get the flu vaccine this year. Even the radiation oncologist sent me an email reminding me, even though I haven't seen her in over a year.


Let me add one more doctor to the mix: yes.

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I have known many who do not feel well after the shot, they claim not possible, but it does seem to happen


You cannot get the flu from the shot. It is impossible. However, the shot is meant to activate the immune system so that you develop immunity to the flu without getting flu. When you get sick, the virus is not what makes you sick (directly). Rather, your immune response to it does. So yes, some mild flu-like symptoms for 1-2 days after the immunization are common and they are *WAY* better than actually getting the flu.


This weekend I suggested my wife and I should get flu shots before she takes her trip to Ukraine next week. At first she said she wasn't interested, but I explained that I had been reading that this flu season looks to be pretty bad compared to previous seasons. I also asked her why she would want to risk wasting much of her time back home being sick with the flu. Apparently she contacted some of her friends in Ukraine and they told her the flu season was looking bad there too. So this afternoon we went to the nearby Walgreens and got our vaccinations. She'll be flying home a week from today, and I feel much better that she got her flu shot before the trip.

I normally get a flu shot each year but hadn't gotten one the last couple of years. The last time I got the flu was in early 2007 even though I had the vaccine that year. I did notice that my case of flu was much lighter than the previous flu I had had several years before. I think that I had partial immunity from the flu shot that made the illness much lighter than it otherwise could have been.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:04 am

I'm not anti-vax, at all... having my daughter vaccinated on schedule, got the flu shot this year and every other (well, it's required by my job anyway), but that being said, just to stir the pot.......

My cousin got the flu shot several years ago, a healthy, normal person. After receiving it, she went into a coma (or something like that, I'm not a doctor) but we weren't sure if she was going to be in a vegetative state forever or if she'd ever recover. Luckily, she woke up after a long while, and luckily again, she wasn't fully paralyzed like they thought she might be. After a lot of hard work, she is at least only wheelchair bound, but she has some mental defects, that's for sure. The flu shot largely ruined her life.

I understand the concept of herd immunity, and I understand why most people don't realize why they'd need the shot. But let's be honest, there is a risk to the shot (even though I believe the overall benefits to individuals and society outweigh the anecdotal, unfortunate cases.) She's strongly anti-vax, especially in regards to children, but honestly, I can't blame her... I just choose to not even argue it with her. I'm sure even the strongest of advocates would be somewhat anti-vax if they were the one in a million case and all of the sudden wheelchair bound and mentally unable to do a lot of things.

Interested to hear your 2 cents, Doc (about the shot, and the Game too)
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:58 am

DeltaMD90 wrote:
My cousin got the flu shot several years ago, a healthy, normal person. After receiving it, she went into a coma (or something like that, I'm not a doctor) but we weren't sure if she was going to be in a vegetative state forever or if she'd ever recover. Luckily, she woke up after a long while, and luckily again, she wasn't fully paralyzed like they thought she might be. After a lot of hard work, she is at least only wheelchair bound, but she has some mental defects, that's for sure. The flu shot largely ruined her life.


You can't know that the shot caused it (nobody can), but even if it was Guillan-Barre from the shot, the flu itself would have caused the same thing. If it was Guillan-Barre, the recommendation is not to get any more influenza immunizations, and that's why it's so important that the rest of us get them, so that people like her are less likely to be exposed to influenza.
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Re: Flu Vaccine or No?

Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:11 am

DocLightning wrote:
You can't know that the shot caused it (nobody can), but even if it was Guillan-Barre from the shot, the flu itself would have caused the same thing.

You're right, can't be 100% sure, but it all happened literally right after getting the shot (like a day or so? Can't remember.) Interesting to know the flu itself would've caused the same thing, all flu strands? Not sure if she ever had the flu before[/quote]

DeltaMD90 wrote:
If it was Guillan-Barre, the recommendation is not to get any more influenza immunizations

lol, she definitely isn't, she's now all anti-vax anyway :/

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That's the big thing I wish people would understand. I figured the unfortunate ineffectiveness of last year's flu shot and the resulting large amount of deaths would've been a good lesson, but no one seems to have changed their mind.


The thing that annoys me the most is "I haven't gotten a shot all my life and never have gotten the flu." Yeah but... ugh, anecdote? That's not the point? Different strands every year? Passing it to others that have immune deficiencies?

The concept of herd immunity is that enough people get the immunity so the disease, when caught by some people, can't effectively travel through the population in great numbers. The people that are most susceptible usually can't get the vaccination, so they're depending on the population at large to immunize themselves so it doesn't travel all around (and to the susceptible ones.) What is the threshold to stop a virus more or less, isn't it around 90% of the population?
 
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Re: Flu Vaccine or No?

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:16 pm

Aesma wrote:
I'm not in the target demographic for the vaccine so I've never taken it. I can't remember the last time I got the flu either, more than a decade. Unless I caught the virus and eliminated it in a feverish night, I have those now and then.


Then you didn't have it.
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Ok, so I've had just about all my doctors contact me and tell me to make sure I get the flu vaccine this year. Even the radiation oncologist sent me an email reminding me, even though I haven't seen her in over a year.

The radio talking folks said the CDC claimed it would be a bad year for the flu. This, presumably from the folks that put their stamp of approval on last year's vaccine, which was 30'ish percent effective.

I'm probably going to get the vaccine, along with everyone in the house, but I'm wondering whether you folks get it or not.


There are thousands of flu strains going around each year, and the vaccine is different each years as specialists try and predict which up coming strains are going to the most severe - having the flu vaccine doesn't mean you won't get the flu, but it does mean you have more protection against the ones predicted to be the most severe and dangerous.

So yes, have it, regardless of the effectiveness of last years.


:checkmark: Also IIRC the vaccine protects against 3 or so strains and if you get it every year then you build an immunity to more to them from getting the shot from year to year.

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I'm not anti-vax, at all... having my daughter vaccinated on schedule, got the flu shot this year and every other (well, it's required by my job anyway), but that being said, just to stir the pot.......

My cousin got the flu shot several years ago, a healthy, normal person. After receiving it, she went into a coma (or something like that, I'm not a doctor) but we weren't sure if she was going to be in a vegetative state forever or if she'd ever recover. Luckily, she woke up after a long while, and luckily again, she wasn't fully paralyzed like they thought she might be. After a lot of hard work, she is at least only wheelchair bound, but she has some mental defects, that's for sure. The flu shot largely ruined her life.

I understand the concept of herd immunity, and I understand why most people don't realize why they'd need the shot. But let's be honest, there is a risk to the shot (even though I believe the overall benefits to individuals and society outweigh the anecdotal, unfortunate cases.) She's strongly anti-vax, especially in regards to children, but honestly, I can't blame her... I just choose to not even argue it with her. I'm sure even the strongest of advocates would be somewhat anti-vax if they were the one in a million case and all of the sudden wheelchair bound and mentally unable to do a lot of things.

Interested to hear your 2 cents, Doc (about the shot, and the Game too)


So I am very sorry for what happened to your cousin and it is unfortunate.

However has it been medically proven that the vaccination caused her condition or was it coincidental. Honestly sometimes shit happens to people and their body shuts down when they are perfectly healthy, a good friend of mine lost her boyfriend last week at 33 and it was completely unexpected. I have a co-worker whose boyfriend went into a coma randomly 2 years ago in his early 30's as well.

This is very similar to the repeatedly medically disproven case that vaccines cause autism and yet the false medically information perpetuates throughout the media putting people at risk from a virus that if you have any underlying health issues can kill your regardless of your age.

I will say that western medicine is far from perfect and we would be wise to implement a lot of the holistic things that are practiced in eastern medicine but I am not one to believe that their is a grand conspiracy regarding vaccines. If they were even dangerous to 0.01% of the population they would be removed by the CDC and other medical regulatory bodies until they were deemed safe. In Canada the medical practitioner can refuse the shot if you fill out the questionnaire and have an allergy to eggs or have in the past had an adverse reaction to the shot.
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Re: Flu Vaccine or No?

Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:39 am

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/f ... index.html

Kind of scary, especially the children's deaths
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Re: Flu Vaccine or No?

Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:31 am

I got a flu shot two years ago and suffered no ill consequences from it, but then I found out about this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22423139

Naturally I don't understand 90% of what it says, but it seems to be "admitting" adverse effects caused by the flu vaccine, and this is the National Institutes of Health talking; not Jenny McCarthy's blog.

I expect Doc will have something to say to allay my concerns. I held off on getting the flu shot last year because this "causes respiratory viruses" talk has me questioning the safety of it. :/
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Re: Flu Vaccine or No?

Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:00 am

fr8mech wrote:
Ok, so I've had just about all my doctors contact me and tell me to make sure I get the flu vaccine this year. Even the radiation oncologist sent me an email reminding me, even though I haven't seen her in over a year.

The radio talking folks said the CDC claimed it would be a bad year for the flu. This, presumably from the folks that put their stamp of approval on last year's vaccine, which was 30'ish percent effective.

I'm probably going to get the vaccine, along with everyone in the house, but I'm wondering whether you folks get it or not.


So, you bring up an oncologist so the answer is 400% yes.

Now, here's something people are not doing that they should be doing: researching the different flu vaccines being offered.

With normal vaccines, the run of the mill kind you'd get without specifically requesting something, they've been having trouble providing effective protection against the H3N2 virus. There are vaccines out there that show some increased protection against H3N2. H3N2 was the virus that made last year such a severe flu season. This year is likely to be an H3N2 dominant year as well. Last year the H3N2 variant referred to as the "Aussie flu" never circulated significantly in the US. It was more severe than the US variant from last year, and it is due to ravage the US this year. This year's vaccine formulation includes a new strain meant to protect from the "aussie" variant of H3N2.

I highly recommend seeking out a flu vaccine called flublok, which is fairly new on the market but has demonstrated increased protection from H3N2 strains. It's still not perfectly effective at protecting you from H3N2, but it will do a far better job than normal flu vaccines.

And yes, I get the vaccine every year.
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