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Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:03 pm

Another interesting bit of information, should the government lose the vote on Tuesday, then the alternative plan that is put forward (within 3 days) is amendable by parliament (Dominic Grieve secured this right in December).

This gives Parliament the power to put all things back on the table, e.g. Single Market, Customs Union, EMA etc etc, even Article 50 itself, or a peoplesvote....
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:31 pm

It is not a real power. Whatever the uk parliament votes, it just can't force it on the EU.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:54 pm

Richard28 wrote:
Another interesting bit of information, should the government lose the vote on Tuesday, then the alternative plan that is put forward (within 3 days) is amendable by parliament (Dominic Grieve secured this right in December).

This gives Parliament the power to put all things back on the table, e.g. Single Market, Customs Union, EMA etc etc, even Article 50 itself, or a peoplesvote....


EMA has gotten its key for their Amsterdam office today, so they are gone. https://www.trouw.nl/home/het-europees- ... ~a47a45a5/

The UK can put anything it wants on the table, but it has been made clear that there is no room for renegotiations. Only a fool would bed on this option.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:58 pm

Olddog wrote:
It is not a real power. Whatever the uk parliament votes, it just can't force it on the EU.


Except for withdrawing article 50. They can do that unilateral. I have no clue what the backlash would be though. Some of the damage done to the UK economy seems to be quite permanent. If you are an international company looking to invest, you will bypass the UK for the foreseeable future, you have options and the UK government has shown itself to be quite incompetent. 2,5years of uncertainty must be enough for investors.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:03 pm

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SomebodyInTLS wrote:
Did anyone else watch the recent Channel 4 drama about the leave campaign manager (Dominic Cummings?


It was subjective nonsense from the leftiest of channels.


"Subjective nonsense" covering factually accurate events based on eyewitness accounts and quoted first-hand sources. Try again.

(It literally started by explaining all that)
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:48 pm

Olddog wrote:
It is not a real power. Whatever the uk parliament votes, it just can't force it on the EU.


Of course this is true, but the UK can go back to what was originally offered by the EU all that time ago, through Parliament being able to erase Theresa Mays infamous "red lines"

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Dutchy wrote:
Except for withdrawing article 50. They can do that unilateral.


:checkmark: yep, and that
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:51 pm

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A3801000 wrote:
MPs vote to force the government to announce new Brexit plans within three days if PM's deal fails in the Commons

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46805269


This is crazy. What's the purpose of submitting a new plan after 3 days of the vote. You can be assured that the quality of that plan isn't great.


On top of being crazy, it would appear people still don't understand that a Brexit deal isn't a unilateral thing. The only "plan" to come up with in three days is withdrawing the art. 50 notification.

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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:55 pm

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On top of being crazy, it would appear people still don't understand that a Brexit deal isn't a unilateral thing. The only "plan" to come up with in three days is withdrawing the art. 50 notification.


If I didn't know better, I would say it might almost be deliberate... ;)
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:57 pm

Richard28 wrote:
Olddog wrote:
It is not a real power. Whatever the uk parliament votes, it just can't force it on the EU.


Of course this is true, but the UK can go back to what was originally offered by the EU all that time ago, through Parliament being able to erase Theresa Mays infamous "red lines"

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Two steps:
1. divorce papers --> 2. future trade relationship. 8-)
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:41 pm

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Two steps:
1. divorce papers --> 2. future trade relationship. 8-)


:checkmark:
With a longer term strategy and endpoint it could open things up in Parliament....
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:29 am

"Project Fear"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46810473
https://news.sky.com/story/jaguar-land- ... s-11603338


Brexit could cost Jaguar Land Rover £1.2 billion a year, wiping out profits...

Sad news, with 4000 UK job losses though China sales, Diesel demand and of course Brexit...

Meanwhile 3000 jobs are being created in the EU (Slovakia)
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:15 pm

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https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-46798861?__twitter_impression=true

This is encouraging.


Yup, it is. That Trump did figure that one out, despite taking two years for it, means he is just stupid and not braindead.

Pissing of Diplomats is always a great idea, as clearly visible by the rocks at a cliff base you are approaching at free fall speed.

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Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:16 pm

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https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-46798861?__twitter_impression=true

This is encouraging.


Yes, it must be a good feeling for the UK to depend more on the US in the future, considering the respect the US shows for their partners.
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:21 pm

Encouraging for what exactly?
What's the benefit to the UK and the self-created Brexit mess exactly?

Your attitude towards the EU reminds me of a well known quote from CDG:
"A patriot loves his country and is proud of its achievements; a nationalist hates the countries of others and even more so their successes."

You seem to find great encouragement in a subtle diplomatic snub towards the EU from a man who's currently very successful running his country's government into the ground even faster than the British currently are... shows you both the state of desperation for any good news you find yourself in as well as the kind of leadership you're looking up to.
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:33 pm

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Your attitude towards the EU reminds me of a well known quote from CDG:
"A patriot loves his country and is proud of its achievements; a nationalist hates the countries of others and even more so their successes."


:checkmark:
I've not heard that quote before, sums up many peoples loathing of the EU quite well.
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:41 pm

Richard28 wrote:
sabenapilot wrote:
Your attitude towards the EU reminds me of a well known quote from CDG:
"A patriot loves his country and is proud of its achievements; a nationalist hates the countries of others and even more so their successes."


:checkmark:
I've not heard that quote before, sums up many peoples loathing of the EU quite well.

And the kicker is that their loathing is mostly based on verifiably false assumptions about the EU.

It is entirely self-contained without any meaningful connection to actual reality, like any other fanatical cult.
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:42 pm

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Richard28 wrote:
sabenapilot wrote:
Your attitude towards the EU reminds me of a well known quote from CDG:
"A patriot loves his country and is proud of its achievements; a nationalist hates the countries of others and even more so their successes."


:checkmark:
I've not heard that quote before, sums up many peoples loathing of the EU quite well.

And the kicker is that their loathing is mostly based on verifiably false assumptions about the EU.

It is entirely self-contained without any meaningful connection to actual reality, like any other fanatical cult.


I saw that "encouraging" post and decided it wasn't worth replying to.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:30 pm

Honda has told its workforce it will shut down production for six days in April due to Brexit logistics and border disruption
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:03 pm

Interesting address by mr. Corbin and his vision on Brexit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZadTDkjRA_U
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:58 pm

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Interesting address by mr. Corbin and his vision on Brexit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZadTDkjRA_U


As I said a couple of months ago, I'm pretty pi$$ed off with Labour's completely not handling of the question as much as I am with May's mis-handling of the question.

Obviously, I'm remain all the way (the UK already has the best deal it can possibly have with Europe - literally... it has a better deal than anyone else in the club!) - but there is absolutely no way at all for Labour to get any kind of better withdrawal agreement than May did. So dicking around, wasting more time and promising unicorns which fart more colourful rainbows than May's unicorns can fart is just... infuriating.

No sane politician wants to fall into the black pit of no-deal (Shinzo Abe and the "whole world" recognise what a horror show that would be) so it's got to be the withdrawal agreement or no withdrawal. Labour are just dancing around the issue since they don't want to support May's WA, don't want to come out for remain, don't want to admit there's nothing else they can do. So let's just bang on about an election and hope we don't actually have to try and do something.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:45 pm

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Interesting address by mr. Corbin and his vision on Brexit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZadTDkjRA_U


That was a complete waste of 15 minutes. :banghead:

Corbyn has no plan, no ideas, nothing. Every night he goes to bed and prays to baby jesus for a General Election (which of course, Labour is far from guaranteed of winning). It would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:24 pm

The tragedy is that Corbyn clearly sees Brexit just as a tactical opportunity to get into power and has no actual ideas about it. He just doesn't care, and Labour had made its tactical peace with the lies Brexit is based on instead of confronting them, and they are still caught in that bind of their own making.

This is exactly why a first-past-the-post electoral system is such a bad idea: With just two people at the top of the only two relevant parties with their massively distorted seat counts agreeing on a lie there is almost no practical way for that lie to get challenged effectively, to the detriment of the whole country.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:10 am

And you wonder why I’m skeptical about TM/EU ulterior motive when it come to the negotiations

http://veteransforbritain.uk/maysdefencetreaty/

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/news.sk ... s-11603738
 
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The tragedy is that Corbyn clearly sees Brexit just as a tactical opportunity to get into power and has no actual ideas about it. He just doesn't care, and Labour had made its tactical peace with the lies Brexit is based on instead of confronting them, and they are still caught in that bind of their own making.


The problem is the Labour party is just as split on Brexit as the Tories. Corbyn's strategy is to promise everything to everyone in a desperate effort to get into power. Labour would be an absolute laughing stock if it weren't for the fact that they can hide their disunity and lack of real policy behind the mess that the Tories are making of Government. I have no doubt that we'd be in more or less the exact same position if Labour had been in Government since the referendum.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:18 am

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And you wonder why I’m skeptical about TM/EU ulterior motive when it come to the negotiations

http://veteransforbritain.uk/maysdefencetreaty/

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/news.sk ... s-11603738


I thought "project fear" was exclusively a remainer thing? Apparently not! :rotfl:
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:20 am

And also people have suggested a party losing the vote, but the electoral system makes it hard to do that.

In case Brexit gets ugly, Britons should start making noises about forming an anti Brexiteer group and getting a majority in the Commons. If this is done, they can expel pro Brexit MPs from the Commons, much like American Senators did to people sympathetic to the Confederacy in the US CIvil war.

After the anti Brexiteers have 100% of Parliament, it's time to get truth and reconciliation. That will mean banning pro Brexit MPs from Parliament and getting financial compensation. This will mean taking their wealth away (and that is why a ban on book deals/speaking engagements should be added). The Brexit MPs now would have to work for the rest of their lives for stealing the UK's future.

Klaus wrote:
The tragedy is that Corbyn clearly sees Brexit just as a tactical opportunity to get into power and has no actual ideas about it. He just doesn't care, and Labour had made its tactical peace with the lies Brexit is based on instead of confronting them, and they are still caught in that bind of their own making.

This is exactly why a first-past-the-post electoral system is such a bad idea: With just two people at the top of the only two relevant parties with their massively distorted seat counts agreeing on a lie there is almost no practical way for that lie to get challenged effectively, to the detriment of the whole country.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:28 am

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After the anti Brexiteers have 100% of Parliament, it's time to get truth and reconciliation. That will mean banning pro Brexit MPs from Parliament and getting financial compensation.....

:shakehead: :shakehead: No. That would be the fastest way to the hardest Brexit. There is no way a country acting like that can be an EU member. That would violate all treaties.

There is only one way the UK can again become a stable EU member and benefit from it. That is that the Britons in greater numbers begin to seek real information about their own situation and act accordingly. Instead of lying on the sofa and letting the commercial press through the living room alter feed them one-liners about imaginary scapegoats. With ever increasing and dramatic lies in order to maximize commercial exposure count and profit.

For Britain to be a good EU member we need a brighter and better informed British population. They will as their first step also elect brighter MPs, problem solved.

The UK isn't the only country to have fallen into that trap. Together with the USA they have just fallen way deeper than any other country in the developed world. Only the UK and US scapegoats are different.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:47 am

My scenario would be after the UK has already left and experienced Hard Brexit..

If Hard Brexit is avoided the Brexiteer MPs can keep their money and their comfort.

prebennorholm wrote:
jcancel wrote:
After the anti Brexiteers have 100% of Parliament, it's time to get truth and reconciliation. That will mean banning pro Brexit MPs from Parliament and getting financial compensation.....

:shakehead: :shakehead: No. That would be the fastest way to the hardest Brexit. There is no way a country acting like that can be an EU member. That would violate all treaties.

There is only one way the UK can again become a stable EU member and benefit from it. That is that the Britons in greater numbers begin to seek real information about their own situation and act accordingly. Instead of lying on the sofa and letting the commercial press through the living room alter feed them one-liners about imaginary scapegoats. With ever increasing and dramatic lies in order to maximize commercial exposure count and profit.

For Britain to be a good EU member we need a brighter and better informed British population. They will as their first step also elect brighter MPs, problem solved.

The UK isn't the only country to have fallen into that trap. Together with the USA they have just fallen way deeper than any other country in the developed world. Only the UK and US scapegoats are different.
 
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jcancel wrote:
My scenario would be after the UK has already left and experienced Hard Brexit..

If Hard Brexit is avoided the Brexiteer MPs can keep their money and their comfort.

prebennorholm wrote:
jcancel wrote:
After the anti Brexiteers have 100% of Parliament, it's time to get truth and reconciliation. That will mean banning pro Brexit MPs from Parliament and getting financial compensation.....

:shakehead: :shakehead: No. That would be the fastest way to the hardest Brexit. There is no way a country acting like that can be an EU member. That would violate all treaties.

There is only one way the UK can again become a stable EU member and benefit from it. That is that the Britons in greater numbers begin to seek real information about their own situation and act accordingly. Instead of lying on the sofa and letting the commercial press through the living room alter feed them one-liners about imaginary scapegoats. With ever increasing and dramatic lies in order to maximize commercial exposure count and profit.

For Britain to be a good EU member we need a brighter and better informed British population. They will as their first step also elect brighter MPs, problem solved.

The UK isn't the only country to have fallen into that trap. Together with the USA they have just fallen way deeper than any other country in the developed world. Only the UK and US scapegoats are different.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:16 pm

Two big Brexit backers, Crispin Odey and Peter Hargreaves now think that Brexit wont happen. In Crispin's case he is now positioning his funds for a raise in sterling as a consequence of no Brexit...

http://www.cityam.com/271478/top-brexit ... -not-leave

interesting....
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:17 pm

Hunt claims Commons votes this week have made staying in EU more likely

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jan/11/brexit-latest-news-debate-commons-jeremy-hunt-claims-commons-votes-this-week-have-made-staying-in-eu-more-likely-p

It guess he will have to go. There's no place for common sense in the current Brexit environment.

Boris feels a personal responsibility to fix Brexit. Maybe he should step in.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:58 pm

That's what I call brilliant usage of excess time. As an American living under Trump, watching this Brexit spectacle gives me some cold comfort that things could always be worse.
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:48 pm

Some interesting comments about the Meaningful Vote from veteran Eurosceptic MP Sir Bill Cash:

https://www.moggpill.com/all-news/bruge ... ll-cash-mp
 
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LA787 wrote:
Some interesting comments about the Meaningful Vote from veteran Eurosceptic MP Sir Bill Cash:

https://www.moggpill.com/all-news/bruge ... ll-cash-mp


What an interesting website (especially the "Brexit Toolbox: Countering the Remainer Narrative." article). It's just laughable. Moreover, they didn't even adjusted the date of the vote in the example letter which people should send to their MP.

In other news:

https://www.nochubank.or.jp/en/news_release/2019/preparation-for-establishing-a-new-banking-subsidiary-in-europe.html

The already shortage in finance staff in Amsterdam is increasing.... Think I must thank those voting for Brexit for safeguarding the jobs of some of my colleagues.
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:31 pm

I sincerely hope that Britain, once it is even greater after brexit and freed from continental interference, will re-start Vickers and make them build a modern VC-10. It is such a sleek plane, and what can be better than the last BOAC livery? That being said, I also have a taste for V bombers. As they made Britain strong and even helped winning back the Falklands, could there be room for a modern Vulcan or Victor? And, as a final hope: Do you think there are chances of Jensen and Bristol being re-activated? That would be a dream come true.
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:08 pm

rabenschlag wrote:
I sincerely hope that Britain, once it is even greater after brexit and freed from continental interference, will re-start Vickers and make them build a modern VC-10. It is such a sleek plane, and what can be better than the last BOAC livery? That being said, I also have a taste for V bombers. As they made Britain strong and even helped winning back the Falklands, could there be room for a modern Vulcan or Victor? And, as a final hope: Do you think there are chances of Jensen and Bristol being re-activated? That would be a dream come true.

Brexit fanatics probably see the norman invasion as the point when it all went wrong and will try to go back to the culture and technology from before that... :crazy:
 
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:55 am

from: Brexit: politicians at their lowest ebb in history

Booker is in reflective mood in his column this week, writing under the headline: "If the Brexit negotiations are a game of chess, Theresa May is dangerously close to checkmate".

Two years ago, after Theresa May's fateful decision that she wanted us not just to leave the EU but to shut ourselves off from "frictionless" access to the export market which provides one pound in every eight we earn as a nation, he tells us that he wrote that we seemed to be embarking on a game of snakes and ladders.

But in this game we were determined to avoid every ladder that might help us to climb the board towards the desired goal, and to seek out every snake which would slide us back down again to square one.

Another sporting analogy since used by others has been that which chess players call zugzwang. This is where a player reaches a position where any subsequent move will be disastrous for him. Such is the position we have boxed ourselves into today, where MPs are this week faced with a choice between the devil and the raging sea.

On one hand our MPs can vote for a deal imposed on us by the EU, which would leave us much worse off than we are now. On the other, we can drop out of the EU with "no deal" for what Mrs May only coyly calls "uncharted territory" although she must now realise this would be a far greater disaster than her own "bad deal".

The real problem, of course, says Booker, is that our politicians have got themselves into such a hopelessly ill-informed muddle that there is no longer a Commons majority in support of any next move we might make. The various vociferous factions all know what they are against, but they cannot agree on any positive move that might dig us out of the gaping hole they have all unwittingly conspired to get us into.

We still hear one lunatic fringe claiming that, if we leave without a deal, we can somehow just rely on those fabled "WTO rules". This is an option that simply doesn't exist, Booker says, because the WTO merely provides principles, which can only take force when used to shape a formal trade agreement.

And while we have to put up the endless propaganda from this source, another bunch clamours ever more loudly for a second referendum, which would take months to set up and plunge the country into an even more toxic state of chaos than it is in already.

For the best part of two years, and with increasing intensity, these groups have been tearing themselves apart over one little bubble of make-believe after another, to the point where we now seem be sliding by default towards the worst possible option of all: an economic, social and political catastrophe far greater than most people have yet begun to imagine, as we shall only discover when it hits us


Some brexiters seems to be a bit desperate to see how things are done in their gang. I think that blog explain very well what we pointed out: UK voted to leave the EU, TM with her Lancaster House speech made it an impossible hard brexit.

And Btw, as I saw the other day someone complaining that he did not find much in the french press, check the full blog post today, you will see who deal with brexit in France :)
 
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:46 am

With the amount of vicious vindictive vitriol currently being displayed on post UK Brexit position, one would think you really have something to worry about. once the sky doesn't fall in for the UK are you worried about living in glass houses?
 
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:57 am

What vitriol? The only poison you get is self inflicted
 
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:53 pm

140+ factual, fully-sourced examples of the impact Brexit is already having on the UK. Jobs going, investment drying up, companies moving assets to the EU, or redomiciling. And all happening as Government burns through £billions chasing a no deal Brexit.


https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/sta ... 0617439233

B777LRF wrote:
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LJ wrote:
It seems that the only UK company awarded a contract doesn't operate any service and doesn't have any vessel at present. Are there any other UK ferry companies at the moment?


Not only 'at present', they've never had a single ship to their name or operated a single service. Not least because they plan to operate out of Ramsgate where the berths are narrow, so narrow in fact they are seemingly unable to find ferries that'll fit.

All in all, a pretty good picture of the UK preparedness for Brexit. A giant clusterfrack, one might say.


Standard Tory stuff. I'm sure well find that the owner of Seabourne Freight is mates with a Tory Cabinet minister or has been a 'generous' donor over the past few years. Jobs for the boys.

ChrisKen wrote:
A101 wrote:
Why would the UK need to step back from regaining full sovereign control.

The UK already has full sovereign control and the benefit of trading/policital clout of being part of the EU block.

Why would the UK keep ploughing on to having a lower world standing, less sway and far less options?

Oh yeah, that's right.....so we can have blue passports :rotfl:

PS:Those passports will have lesser standing than the current, which could be blue if we wanted to anyway.


Whenever I think of blue passports, I think of this:

On passports, I still think the best idea is to let people choose their own colour:

Maroon passport = you can continue to travel freely, work and live across the EU.
Blue passport = you can’t do any of that but you have a blue passport.

Everyone’s happy!


https://twitter.com/davidschneider/stat ... 4243145728

Anyway, I'm happy since they're made in France. More jobs is always good.


A101 wrote:
Klaus wrote:
I had been talking to Seahawk – a fellow german member – who keeps trolling you UK Leavers around here.


Well least he's keeping himself amused


He has amused me on countless occasions. Seahawk is a very clever bloke - plenty of double entendre in what he writes. I always read his comments very carefully and often more than once for this reason.

A101 wrote:
That’s because TM is not a believer in the exist,

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.ft. ... d3531b7d11


Thank goodness that her main minister for Brexit during the negotiations, David Davis, was an ardent Brexiteer! Same with the previous foreign secretary, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
As I said a couple of months ago, I'm pretty pi$$ed off with Labour's completely not handling of the question as much as I am with May's mis-handling of the question.


James O'Brien made the point the other day about what an absolute mess the Conservative party is in at the moment yet thanks to the non existent leadership of the opposition the Tories somehow manage to struggle on. With a decent leader of the opposition they would have been pummeled out of existence by now.

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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:15 pm

Word has it the UK is expected to formally request the EU to postpone Brexit shortly after TM losing the vote on her proposed WA.
The EU is currently looking at when the extraordinary leader's summit can be convened to discuss and approve of any such prolongation...
A first technical extention until July is being lined up about to allow TM to figure out what consessions she needs to make to get the WA through parliament, likely centered around a permanent UK-EU Custom Union...
Bye bye Brexit on March 29th and bye bye independent trade policy thereafter.
 
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:49 pm

sabenapilot wrote:
Word has it the UK is expected to formally request the EU to postpone Brexit shortly after TM losing the vote on her proposed WA.
The EU is currently looking at when the extraordinary leader's summit can be convened to discuss and approve of any such prolongation...
A first technical extention until July is being lined up about to allow TM to figure out what consessions she needs to make to get the WA through parliament, likely centered around a permanent UK-EU Custom Union...
Bye bye Brexit on March 29th and bye bye independent trade policy thereafter.


Is this the article you're referring to?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... least-july

If so, it seems like the EU is preparing for a *possible* extension to Article 50 should one be requested, and it isn't a comment on how likely that request is to be made.

I'm not sure how May, or the Conservative Party, could survive the political backlash from their base if they were to do something like that. The Conservatives are, in my view, on the way to one hell of a split if May (or a new leader) proves unable to reconcile the two factions of her party.
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

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The EU is preparing itself for all eventualities, one must not make the same mistake as the British and understand every preparation as a signal for a certain outcome.
 
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seahawk wrote:
The EU is preparing itself for all eventualities, one must not make the same mistake as the British and understand every preparation as a signal for a certain outcome.


I would not expected anything else from the EU, change just dosnt happen on the UK side. The only real problem I see from the UK perspective is that it should have been expected that a no-deal withdrawal should have been the fall back position and preparation’s done in expectation of no agreement from the start, if a better deal that suited all it was done bonus.
 
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A101 wrote:
seahawk wrote:
The EU is preparing itself for all eventualities, one must not make the same mistake as the British and understand every preparation as a signal for a certain outcome.


I would not expected anything else from the EU, change just dosnt happen on the UK side. The only real problem I see from the UK perspective is that it should have been expected that a no-deal withdrawal should have been the fall back position and preparation’s done in expectation of no agreement from the start, if a better deal that suited all it was done bonus.


Any deal is better then no deal. So let's get the divorce right.....
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A101 wrote:
I would not expected anything else from the EU, change just dosnt happen on the UK side. The only real problem I see from the UK perspective is that it should have been expected that a no-deal withdrawal should have been the fall back position and preparation’s done in expectation of no agreement from the start, if a better deal that suited all it was done bonus.


Only brainless extremists think “no deal” is a good thing.

I just watched Corbyn’s interview on The Andrew Marr program. The man is living in a state of complete delusion. At one part Marr actually laughed at one of his responses.
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Dutchy wrote:
A101 wrote:
seahawk wrote:
The EU is preparing itself for all eventualities, one must not make the same mistake as the British and understand every preparation as a signal for a certain outcome.


I would not expected anything else from the EU, change just dosnt happen on the UK side. The only real problem I see from the UK perspective is that it should have been expected that a no-deal withdrawal should have been the fall back position and preparation’s done in expectation of no agreement from the start, if a better deal that suited all it was done bonus.


Any deal is better then no deal. So let's get the divorce right.....



I doubt that very much, I prefer a no deal to a bad deal any day of the week.
 
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Re: Brexit part 4: Until the last Tory Standing

Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:51 am

A101 wrote:
I would not expected anything else from the EU, change just dosnt happen on the UK side. The only real problem I see from the UK perspective is that it should have been expected that a no-deal withdrawal should have been the fall back position and preparation’s done in expectation of no agreement from the start, if a better deal that suited all it was done bonus.



scbriml wrote:
Only brainless extremists think “no deal” is a good thing.



That depends on which side of the fence you are on, just because there a deal on the table dosnt mean you have to accept it, would you agree to a deal that wasn’t in your interests?

scbriml wrote:

I just watched Corbyn’s interview on The Andrew Marr program. The man is living in a state of complete delusion. At one part Marr actually laughed at one of his responses.

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I haven’t seen it. But I get a laugh out of most things positions say and not just about Brexit

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