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Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:10 pm

How big is Social/Digitial Media Agency business in India? When I googled apparently there are close to 500 companies in India in this business. Is it bigger than BPO? Do they have global clients?

India's selective enforcement of cyber laws may make it a perfect destination to set up low-cost operations. If the only qualification is the ability to throw insults at anyone questions their client on the internet, setting up shop in a small remote Indian city is perfect. No need to hire an expensive London based brand management agency.
 
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:13 am

For as low as Re 1 a post you can hire bottom of the barrel posters with barely comprehensible English. You only have to increase your budget to Rs 5 a post to hire sock-puppets who will do a near convincing job of pretending to be whoever you want them to be posting from wherever you want them in the world to be. Such is the state of a country with so much surplus manpower.
 
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:30 am

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PS: If someone like Swamy is made the FM, then its game up for Indigo! Swamy has for long wanted an opportunity to go after Ajit Doval! :P

Mitron likes to have people he can keep in check. Swamy is a rabble rouser and wildcard. I doubt Modi will risk finance in his hand..
 
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:32 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
How big is Social/Digitial Media Agency business in India? When I googled apparently there are close to 500 companies in India in this business. Is it bigger than BPO? Do they have global clients?

India's selective enforcement of cyber laws may make it a perfect destination to set up low-cost operations. If the only qualification is the ability to throw insults at anyone questions their client on the internet, setting up shop in a small remote Indian city is perfect. No need to hire an expensive London based brand management agency.

Don't have the figures off-hand. But yes many agencies do have global clients. Emirates and British Airways used to do some part of their PR/SM business through an Indian agency. A lot of that business has shifted out now and many "PR consultants" rendered jobless in that purge have now taken to trolling on behalf of Indigo, CAPA and SpiceJet. Many of these shops have one/two expensive consultants based in Mumbai/Gurgaon/Coimbatore with the team of interns working out of 2 bedroom apartments converted into "Troll Centrals" where groups of underpaid coolies create multiple fake accounts on Twitter/Facebook and on forums like these to troll/abuse on behalf of their clients. Many consultants who were managing the so called "Nadiad trolls" have also made their way into the airline business now because they get better margins. These trolls are among the most vicious you will see online!


For a better understanding of how the trolling business works, do read Swati Chaturvedi's brilliant book on the subject - "I am a Troll: Inside the Secret World of the BJP's Digital Army" ($14.24). Very well researched book on the working of the Troll industry in India.

Also watch this brilliant series of expose' by Dhruv Rathee on how the troll industry works for politicians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqr3aQ4XcDI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL2ZYXLW5bU


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Mitron likes to have people he can keep in check. Swamy is a rabble rouser and wildcard. I doubt Modi will risk finance in his hand..


That would assume Modi is still in control. Reality is that since the BJP defeat in the 3 states, Modi has effectively been rendered a lameduck. Bureaucrats are increasingly laying down the rulebook and the RSS has become more assertive in Govt decisions. Most Modi ministers have decamped from Delhi and are maintaining a safe distance from Modi.
 
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:00 am

No wonder Swati Chaturvedi wrote the book. Takes one troll to know another I guess.
 
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:00 pm

Swati Chaturvedi is one of India's most respected journalists and we have seen how she has been brutally trolled and abused online for having a Point of View. A woman having a PoV? Oh no! That is so anti-national! :)

So Swati has first hand experience when it comes trolls and she knows what she is talking about.

PS: I should follow her advice more - don't respond to flamebait from Trollies! Just report to @Twitter/FB/site moderators and move on!

Shivoham! Shivoham! :D
 
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:49 pm

Journalist to some. Troll to some. Truth lies in the eye of the beholder
 
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Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:48 pm

Anyone know what's going on here?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 705811.cms

Choksi? Or the other Modi?
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:59 am

I am thinking 2000 bills for upcoming elections. There are hundreds of ways to transport a white collar criminal. No need for all this buildup.
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:17 am

Could also be tampered EVMs with pre programmed results. There is no limit to human imagination
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:38 pm

So, Modi is short on 2000 bills and AI brings them in off-shore location, hence the term high-value target(cargo)???
I suppose CBI, ED, IT and Media did their part and it is now AI's turn to join the alliance.

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Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:21 pm

Modi is getting the ECI to manufacture hacked EVM machines at a super secret nuclear bunker in the Caribbean. Those machines are being transported back to India under the guise of bringing back an economic fugitive.
This is a better plot line.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:00 am

The Clown Prince must be really jittery seeing the constant stream of his party's lobbyists being extradited from all over the world
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:45 am

The news of US ICE agents honey trapping Indians is such a welcome move IMO. Their next target should be Ameerpet coached "engineers" with fake resumes
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:28 pm

unrave wrote:
The Clown Prince must be really jittery seeing the constant stream of his party's lobbyists being extradited from all over the world

I disagree here a bit. It also seems a bit of desperate move from the current administration to
A. divert attention from Rafale
B. divert attention period.
Why the sudden interest in Augusta Westland? Make no mistake, Talwar may have shady dealings on the bilaterals with PP/EK-QR but this is essentially about the helicopters

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The news of US ICE agents honey trapping Indians is such a welcome move IMO. Their next target should be Ameerpet coached "engineers" with fake resumes

Yes. Agreed. The number of "colleges" peddling "same-day CPT, first day OPT" nonsense is mind boggling. Don't even get me started on the TCS-Infosys-Wipro mafia of blanket S.O.Ws. From what I have seen, the bar for entry is really low.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:40 pm

Trump is plugging all visa loopholes. Latest story amazes me how feds operated a fake university originally set up during Obama administration, lured 600 pay-and-stay seekers and recruiters over four years. These idiots paid more than $30K each to feds, $18Million in total and earned a set of bracelets. How dumb one has to be after completing Masters from a state university ready to enroll in a fake university just to stay.

Rumor is 5000-50000 Indians have to leave the US by Monday, 2/5 if they want to avoid deportation. There may be a real uptick in India bound traffic this weekend.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:24 am

In 2014 the Italian barmaid and the clown prince accused Momota didi of shielding Sharda chit fund scamsters.
In 2019 they stand in support of didi because it is politically convenient.
No ideology in Indian politics
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:03 pm

This is coming from an anti-corruption activist whose campaign was hijacked by Modi to win elections in 2014.

"Yes, BJP Used Me In 2014," Says Anna Hazare, On Day 6 Of Hunger Strike
Anna Hazare said the government led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi "is only misleading the people of the country and leading the country to autocracy. "

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/anna-ha ... topstories
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:00 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Trump is plugging all visa loopholes. Latest story amazes me how feds operated a fake university originally set up during Obama administration, lured 600 pay-and-stay seekers and recruiters over four years. These idiots paid more than $30K each to feds, $18Million in total and earned a set of bracelets. How dumb one has to be after completing Masters from a state university ready to enroll in a fake university just to stay.

Rumor is 5000-50000 Indians have to leave the US by Monday, 2/5 if they want to avoid deportation. There may be a real uptick in India bound traffic this weekend.


5000 to 50K? That's a irresponsibly high number even for a rumor. I believe the actual deportations will be in low hundreds. In any case, good riddance!
These fake school recruiters as well as fake students should be jailed and deported.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:02 pm

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5000 to 50K? That's a irresponsibly high number even for a rumor..


With the intake of ~80,000 Indian students every year, but only 20,000 H1Bs dedicated to Master degree holders, the rest of them resort to abusing the Day-1 CPT loophole after 12-29 month training period.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:16 pm

Attorney General has filed a defamation case against troll "activist" lawyer Prashant Bhushan. Let that joker have a taste of his own medicine
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:09 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
This is coming from an anti-corruption activist whose campaign was hijacked by Modi to win elections in 2014.

"Yes, BJP Used Me In 2014," Says Anna Hazare, On Day 6 Of Hunger Strike
Anna Hazare said the government led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi "is only misleading the people of the country and leading the country to autocracy. "

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/anna-ha ... topstories

Here in INDIA, Anna Hazare became a laughing stock long back.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:13 am

And just like that Joker Anna has ended his fast after Fadnavis gives him assurances
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/anna-ha ... ed-1988828

Indian Residents always have a better understanding of what actually happens than NRIs who get their news from NYT
 
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Re: Indian Politics Megathread

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:23 am

I could have posted this on CA forum but not worth it.
Indian Minister of Civil Aviation inaugurated an extended runway at VGA.

Pinned tweet on Airport Authorities account
https://twitter.com/AAI_Official/status ... 9364597761

Minister's tweet
https://twitter.com/sureshpprabhu/statu ... 9516198913

Wait for it, there is a 200-meter gap between current runway and the extension.
Being the overachiever Modi wanted to claim credit without completing the work.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:34 pm

About VGA runway, there is a 200-meter gap in the runway, the perimeter wall is not complete. Unless Boeing, Airbus and airline pilots have procedures to land Code E aircraft on a runway with a missing section, it cannot be called an extension. Maybe, Sandra Bullock, in Speed movie.

The decision of inaugurating the incomplete runway comes in the wake of chief minister N Chandrababu Naidu’s criticism of the BJP-led Union government that it has neglected the state


Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:53 pm

Can't seem to find any mention of a '200 metre' gap in that article.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:57 pm

A master document used to circulate trending news by BJP was edited by someone and meaningless tweets were circulated.

The nightmare of any coordinated Twitter campaign unfolded on social media on Wednesday after a shared document used by the party's members was mischievously edited by someone, triggering a deluge of tweets criticising the Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his government.


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/why-a-u ... di-1992928
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/b ... 2019-02-13
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 980111.cms
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:36 pm

Still no credible source anywhere that mentions the presence of a 200 metre gap in the extended VGA runway.
 
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Re: Indian Politics Megathread

Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:51 am

So Arun Jaitley has returned from the US and has resumed charged as FM. We were told that the moment Piyush Goyal assumes charge Jet Airways will be awash with bank credit. He has come and gone and not a single rupee has come to Jet.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:27 am

The main "work " has already been done! Just signing is remaining to be honest.
BTW in this very thread, there was a prediction that ultimately "the PSBs will play the major game in the bailout " --- seems to be exactly true.
The news of EY going upto 40% and infusing $ isn't happening!
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:41 pm

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The news of EY going upto 40% and infusing $ isn't happening!

EY is definitely infusing cash. They wanted to go to 40% but SEBI refused to waive off the requirement of on open offer. When banks get every other shareholder's stake will be reduced to half, bringing EY's to 12%. EY will then infuse enough cash to bring their share holding to 24%. NIIF Is also expected to pick up a 20% stake. NIIF is GoI backed but the major investments have come from Abu Dhabi wealth fund. Connect the dots.

Banks are picking up 50% stake for Re 1 (not per share, just one rupee in total). Contrast this with the ridiculous Kingfisher debt-equity conversion
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:40 pm

Indian politicians spluging on VVIP air transports

BBJs - $1.3 Billion
The Three BBJs, named Rajdoot, Rajhans and Rajkamal cost the IAF ₹93.4 billion (US$1.3 billion)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_One
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E-Jets - $1.52 Billion
IAF currently owns four 14 seater Embraer 135, four 20 seater Embraer 145. These aircraft cost the IAF ₹14 billion (US$190 million) each.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_One
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12xAW101 Contract - $770 Million Three AW101 are in the boxes
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/ ... 58404.html
Recovery of bank guarantee
After the cancellation of the contract, India encashed over ₹250 crore made by AgustaWestland as a bank guarantee in the Indian banks in January 2014.[46] Separately, India requested the Italian government to retrieve the bank guarantee amount made by the firm in Italian banks which was more than €275 million (₹2,364 crore).[47][48] On 17 March 2014, a request made by India was rejected by an Italian court.[49] However, the appellate court in Milan reversed the lower court's judgement and upheld the claims of the Indian government.[50] Accordingly, in June 2014, the Indian government encashed ₹1,818 crore, taking the total amount recovered so far to ₹2,068 crore.[12] With this, India was reported to have recovered the entire amount of around ₹1,620 crore (45% of the total contract value ₹3,600 crore) it had paid to AgustaWestland.[13] However, it was later reported that AgustaWestland had not returned the entire amount, and kept €106 million for three helicopters it had delivered.[51]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Indi ... te_note-51
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Because AW101 contract was tangled in a scam, a rush order for 12 MI-17 V5s was placed.
12x MI-17 V5s - $1 Billion
https://www.ruaviation.com/news/2014/1/24/2142/?h
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2x77Ws = $580 Million ($400 Million for planes + $180 Million for VVIP modifications)

According to the revised tender document, one term sheet would be for two aircraft that are to be delivered in January next year and the loan required is up to
$400 million. The figure translates to around $200 million for each plane

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst

The two Boeing 777-300 ER aircraft are to be delivered in January 2018 and the cost for "modification in its (planes) interior configuration" is estimated to be US $180 million. At current exchange rates, the amount will translate to over Rs 1,160 crore
https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-d ... ps-2566520
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:46 pm

Do Amreekan politicians travel in bullock carts?
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:48 am

It appears that in the aftermath of the surgical strikes in 2016 Pakistan tabled a report to its senate that listed possible measures it could adopt to disrupt India. Included in the list was a plan to engage with Modi's political opponents to further the cause of Pakistan
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I think the clown prince is indirectly funded by Pakistani money to rake up the issue of the non existent Rafale scam. And I'm fairly certain that a number of Indian 'journalists' are on Pakistan's payroll too.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:14 am

Prashant Bhushan - the self style anti corruption activist - has become the poll advisor for the Congress, the nerve centre of corruption in India. How the mighty have fallen!
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 4:10 pm

So the five week long Indian election was concluded. Any predictions by our Indian members about the results and who will form the next government?
Was the Jet collapse had any impact to the election?
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 8:24 pm

P1aneMad wrote:
So the five week long Indian election was concluded. Any predictions by our Indian members about the results and who will form the next government?
Was the Jet collapse had any impact to the election?


Every exit poll expects the ruling BJP to continue for another term. While there is a chance that everyone is wrong , such chance is exceedingly small.

Jet saga was a train wreck in slow motion. It also affected very small voters so I doubt Jet had any impact on elections.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 5:20 pm

P1aneMad wrote:
So the five week long Indian election was concluded. Any predictions by our Indian members about the results and who will form the next government?
Was the Jet collapse had any impact to the election?

Current trends shows Modi will get 300ish seats and 340ish with the NDA alliance (out of 543).
Current trends = almost unofficial results, the margins in the most of the remaining seats are unassailable.
Oppositions (intended plural) have conceded and PM Modi has claimed and addressed victory.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 8:58 pm

Awesome results. Congrats to BJP.
Bonus is that Rahul Gandhi lost his family’s historic seat in Amethi!

But why does he get to run and win in another seat in Kerala??

Congress and its socialists lost and lost big. It’s time to retire Rahul, Priyanka, and Sonia.
India is sick of you Gandhi/Nehru clan members.

India, while secular, is still a majority Hindi country and Hindus are sick of the favoritism shown toward unhappy minorities in the northeast.

Finally another election, another win for the Dravidian parties in Tamil Nadu. Great that North Indian parties haven’t won there since the 1960’s, due to great Tamils like Annadurai, Kamaraj, etc.
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 5:53 am

Yesterday was SUCH a satisfying day , after two months spent significantly on the road with the BJPs efforts!

As comprehensive as a beat down of the extreme left Congress as could be achieved . With 52 seats, they STILL won’t get the Lok Sabha LOP role !!

Meanwhile the BJP is up from 282 wins last time to 299 wins and 4 leads , for a potential 303 of 543 seats just for itself, and 354 for the NDA coalition. So tantalizingly close to the 2/3rds mark .

It’s been nearly two generations since the country last gave clear majorities north of 300 to an incumbent leader . Narendra Modi is the greatest democratic winner in Indian political history - the likes of Nehru and IG never had the kind of large nationwide opposition to overcome, beyond tokens like CPI/CPM and the defunct Swatantra Party.

I enjoyed scanning up the extreme left echo chamber of this thread imagining how how they were going to win. They’re in an even deeper hole in 2019 than they were in 2014...
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 1:59 pm

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India, while secular, is still a majority Hindi country and Hindus are sick of the favoritism shown toward unhappy minorities in the northeast.


This is one thing that foreign media can't get their heads across and keep blaming BJP and Modi for everything

Not only northeast but honestly this represents the thinking of 80% of majority in India
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 6:36 pm

BarfBag wrote:
Yesterday was SUCH a satisfying day , after two months spent significantly on the road with the BJPs efforts!

As comprehensive as a beat down of the extreme left Congress as could be achieved . With 52 seats, they STILL won’t get the Lok Sabha LOP role !!

Meanwhile the BJP is up from 282 wins last time to 299 wins and 4 leads , for a potential 303 of 543 seats just for itself, and 354 for the NDA coalition. So tantalizingly close to the 2/3rds mark .

It’s been nearly two generations since the country last gave clear majorities north of 300 to an incumbent leader . Narendra Modi is the greatest democratic winner in Indian political history - the likes of Nehru and IG never had the kind of large nationwide opposition to overcome, beyond tokens like CPI/CPM and the defunct Swatantra Party.

I enjoyed scanning up the extreme left echo chamber of this thread imagining how how they were going to win. They’re in an even deeper hole in 2019 than they were in 2014...


In 2014 Kim Jung Un won 607/687, in 2019 he won 687/687.
In 2005 Ahmedinejad won 61.69% of the vote, in 2009 he won 62.63% of the vote

What separates a real democracy from those are the constitutional bodies and independent institutions when they lose credibility Modi will continue to with bigger majority than before.

India turned into a numbers country.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 4:58 pm

The performance of the primary challenger to the ruling party was so pathetic that it did not secure enough seats (at least 10% of the total) to qualify for an official Leader of the Opposition post, which comes with a lot of perks, for the second time running. Its leader, a fifth generation dynast who was parachuted to the top post seems to be completely clueless in both running the party and challenging the government. Unless the party looks past its dynastic leaders and reinvents itself, it is looking at a long period in the wilderness.
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Tue May 28, 2019 5:16 pm

texdravid wrote:
Awesome results. Congrats to BJP.
Bonus is that Rahul Gandhi lost his family’s historic seat in Amethi!

But why does he get to run and win in another seat in Kerala??

Why not? India's democracy allows standing from multiple seats. :)


texdravid wrote:
Congress and its socialists lost and lost big. It’s time to retire Rahul, Priyanka, and Sonia.
India is sick of you Gandhi/Nehru clan members.

India, while secular, is still a majority Hindi country and Hindus are sick of the favoritism shown toward unhappy minorities in the northeast.

Finally another election, another win for the Dravidian parties in Tamil Nadu. Great that North Indian parties haven’t won there since the 1960’s, due to great Tamils like Annadurai, Kamaraj, etc.

What is so great about "North Indian parties" not winning in TN? What is so "North Indian" about Congress and BJP? The parties you are advocating are not "South Indian" parties, they are just regional parties, which are pretty much family/individual oriented. Even the "Dravidian" party of AIDAMK, AI stands for ALL INDIA.

It is ONE India

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Tue May 28, 2019 5:26 pm

BarfBag wrote:
Yesterday was SUCH a satisfying day , after two months spent significantly on the road with the BJPs efforts!

As comprehensive as a beat down of the extreme left Congress as could be achieved . With 52 seats, they STILL won’t get the Lok Sabha LOP role !!

Meanwhile the BJP is up from 282 wins last time to 299 wins and 4 leads , for a potential 303 of 543 seats just for itself, and 354 for the NDA coalition. So tantalizingly close to the 2/3rds mark .

It’s been nearly two generations since the country last gave clear majorities north of 300 to an incumbent leader . Narendra Modi is the greatest democratic winner in Indian political history - the likes of Nehru and IG never had the kind of large nationwide opposition to overcome, beyond tokens like CPI/CPM and the defunct Swatantra Party.

That would be more than 2 generations. :) I think Nehru not, But Indira Gandhi did have in later 70s which led to the drastic emergency.

BarfBag wrote:
I enjoyed scanning up the extreme left echo chamber of this thread imagining how how they were going to win. They’re in an even deeper hole in 2019 than they were in 2014...


I'll need to do that next weekend. Will be an interesting read. :)
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 5:55 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
In 2014 Kim Jung Un won 607/687, in 2019 he won 687/687.
In 2005 Ahmedinejad won 61.69% of the vote, in 2009 he won 62.63% of the vote

What separates a real democracy from those are the constitutional bodies and independent institutions when they lose credibility Modi will continue to with bigger majority than before.

India turned into a numbers country.

And this is why the Indian extreme left will keep losing. India, the largest democracy on the planet and one of its greatest ones, being mentioned in the same sentence as a family dictatorship and an official Islamic fundamentalist state, just because YOU LOST. Defeat is sufficient cause to run the country's name through the mud, to the extreme left.

Constitutional bodies don't lose credibility as a result of electoral results. The electoral results themselves are entirely constitutional in nature, and therefore it is not logically possible that an a constitutionally mandated procedure results in something unconstitutional.

"India has turned into a numbers country" is SUCH a funny thing. Democracy is ALL about getting enough numbers. The extreme left's inability to even win 10% of the seats in Parliament, is its own failure. However, I admit, the numbers are absolutely beautiful to read:

* Number of registered voters: 900 million people. Turnout: 67.5%, the highest ever in Indian political history - equal to ~605 million people casting their votes.
* NDA voteshare: 46%, the third highest ever in Indian political history, after Rajiv Gandhi in 1984 (when there was no real opposition) and Nehru in 1957 (when also there was no opposition to speak of). Modi won what is therefore the most meaningful mandate ever in Indian political history - against an opposition, press, and judiciary all of which hate him.
* 280 million people voted for Modi, more than the entire populations of all but 3-4 countries.
* the first majority government to return to power since 1971, effectively 2 generations ago.
* NDA won >50% voteshares in several major states:
Uttar Pradesh 50.1%
Bihar 53.3%
Maharashtra 50.9%
Gujarat 62.2%
Rajasthan 58.5%
MP 58%
Chattisgarh 50.7%
Jharkhand 51%
Uttarakhand 61%
Himachal 69.1%
Haryana 58%
Delhi 56.6%
Karnataka 51.4%
* The AAP - the great hope of the extreme left - lost ALL 70 assembly segments in New Delhi.
* India has evolved from a Congress country to a BJP country:
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Re: Indian Politics Megathread

Tue May 28, 2019 6:05 pm

aarbee wrote:
That would be more than 2 generations. :) I think Nehru not, But Indira Gandhi did have in later 70s which led to the drastic emergency.

Indira Gandhi's opposition was her own doing - thanks to Emergency. It's clear that opposition did not last even 3 years,since she won in 1980 by a landslide.

Modi on the other hand, has been tenaciously fighting off an absolutely vicious smear campaign for 20 years now. Even a Supreme Court decision in his favour isn't good enough for the extreme left - they'll keep guilt tripping him while being perpretrators of continued caste and religious baiting themselves.

The best part of these elections is the utter destruction of the 'caste bloc veto' and the 'Muslim veto' - they cannot combine to deny the BJP. The Congress and regional parties cannot cobble together a few castes and Muslims into a winning bloc - the BJP will simply create a combined Hindu bloc that will demolish any caste grouping, because the younger generation do not identify with caste politics. The end of the caste bloc veto and the Muslim veto is the greatest accomplishment of Amit Shah.

Modi wins >70% of the votes of the first and second time voters (18-25 group) . India has a median age <30. Do the math. During my travels in UP, the trend was always the same - the youth were energetically pro Modi. The women were too. The older men were the most likely to identify with caste biradari. The Muslims of course vote for INC or regional parties, though some are sufficiently aware and individual that they vote Modi.

The Congress, despite winning Rajasthan, MP and CG last Dec in state elections, was CRUSHED in all three in the Lok Sabha elections:
CG: BJP 9, INC 2
MP: BJP 28 INC 1
RJ:BJP 24 INC 0
three state total: BJP 61 INC 3
 
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Re: Indian Politics Megathread

Tue May 28, 2019 6:42 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
In 2014 Kim Jung Un won 607/687, in 2019 he won 687/687.
In 2005 Ahmedinejad won 61.69% of the vote, in 2009 he won 62.63% of the vote

What separates a real democracy from those are the constitutional bodies and independent institutions when they lose credibility Modi will continue to with bigger majority than before.

India turned into a numbers country.

WOW, Just WOW.

What a huge slap on face of 1.3 billion Indian people and it's democratic processes.

Just because of your personal dislike (judiciously using "dislike" as in my mind it seems more than that) of Prime Minister designate and majority party, you grossly accuse India of not having "real" democracy? In a NOT "real democracy", like your example above it would be 543/543.

Your insinuation that PM Modi is dictator is quite appalling. Dictator would not be concerned something as basic as needs of sanitation(toilets) all over the country.

Because of your personal dislikes, Not only are you undermining the hard work done by the BJP cadre (e.g. Party president undertaking 90+ trips to West Bengal post 2014) but insulting the intelligence of Indian voters (take the case of Orissa - In simultaneous state and general elections held, gave 32% of national seats to BJP but for the state assembly ONLY 15%).

Just stunned.

-R
 
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Re: Indian Politics Megathread

Tue May 28, 2019 7:09 pm

aarbee wrote:
Because of your personal dislikes, Not only are you undermining the hard work done by the BJP cadre (e.g. Party president undertaking 90+ trips to West Bengal post 2014) but insulting the intelligence of Indian voters (take the case of Orissa - In simultaneous state and general elections held, gave 32% of national seats to BJP but for the state assembly ONLY 15%).

Great point about Odisha. During Cyclone Fani, that happened in the middle of the elections, Modi and Patnaik surveyed the damage together, and both worked together on coordinating disaster relief. They also commended each other for the collaboration on video at the airport following the review flight. the Odisha voters also chose judiciously in the simultaneous VS/AS elections this time - voting 12-8 for BJD and BJP in Lok Sabha, but giving BJD an overwhelming majority at the state level.

As a BJP supporter, I have no issue with the BJD. They run their state well. Odisha looks way better than West Bengal. BJD doesn't guilt trip the center, doesn't blame or name call the BJP. They're just a strong local party and they do their dharma, and from a BJP perspective I've nothing but respect for them even if they're a political opponent and we seek to defeat them electorally.

Dangerous and seditious extreme left krantikari types like Kanhaiya Kumar, Atishi Marlena (the gal's name itself literally means Revolutionary Marx-Leninist) and Yogendra Yadav on the other hand, got pasted. INC lost their deposits in 63 of 67 UP seats, while Rahul Gandhi lost in Amethi. Sonia Gandhi - if she's alive in 2024 - better check her rear view mirror, because BJP is up to 40% voteshare in Rae Bareli, from 9% in 2009. It's ironic that the scion of the INC - Rahul - depends on the Muslim League of all parties, to win a Lok Sabha seat from the jungles of rural north Kerala.

After 15000km of traveling across north, central, west and eastern India this election season, May 23 was the reward for all those efforts.
 
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Re: Indian Politics Megathread

Wed May 29, 2019 1:04 am

aarbee wrote:
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Just stunned.

-R


Read post #18 from 4 months back. I called Modi/Shah victory and listed the reasons. I am not a Congress fan and surprised about Modi's win.

BTW, consolidation of power is not symptomatic of a healthy democracy. Putin and Xi are also doing it. No one calls Russia or China true democracies.

Why was the IAF Heli friendly fire news came out after the election, when there was so much fanfare about Balakot and surgical strikes.

In a federal system, the center doesn't give handouts to states, actually center plays with states' money.

One way I am glad he won, no one can fix India's economy, made up numbers can go only so long.

I am sure Modi, Jaitley and Jayant Sinha are very proud of themselves having shut down a major airline without losing a vote. AI will be next, HAL after that.

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