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How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:59 pm

Populism is upending global politics, forcing many of us to grapple with what the concept means. Answer the questions below to find out how populist you are - and how you compare with leaders such as Donald Trump.


A quick test to find out: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-in ... e-you-quiz

No surprise here: according to the "test" I am non-populist left. How about you?
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:09 pm

Also Non populist left. Interesting stuff.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:14 pm

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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:03 pm

Interesting quiz. I'm close to Macron as well. Seems to be accurate enough, as he is one leader I would pretty-much agree with:

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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:22 pm

Non-populist right, just below the left-right axis, ⅔ right side.

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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:30 pm

I am just by President Amlo of Mexico. Populist left.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:32 pm

I am close to Obama (slightly to the left). I have to admit, I am a little bit surprised I am so far left, I thought I did slide over to the centre more over the years.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:55 pm

Not to be a party pooper, but I always question how accurate 20 question quizzes can be. You can have people vote nearly the opposite on every question and end up on the same place on the chart (if they are "moderates".) Also, a 2D graph is kinda simplistic.

They ask about socialism, which I am very much against. I'm more free market. But I'm for universal healthcare and for consumer protections. Hard to measure that by simple "agrees, strongly disagrees, etc."

I know it didn't ask about it, but many quizzes do... Border security. I'm a strong proponent of border security, and am not morally opposed to a wall, but think it's a huge waste of money. I don't like the illegality of many of our immigrants, but only the illegality of it. I'm generally for amnesty and have no problem with increased legal immigration. I'd fall in some muddy middle just because I'm not super MAGA and not derpy "disband ICE" either.

So I'm slightly populist left on this thing, along with what seems like the bulk of the people taking this quiz. I have a feeling I'd disagree much even if someone falls exactly where I fell.

Not to mention, having only 20 questions can limit the scope. If they pick more "left" issues most people generally agree on while leaving out divisive ones like abortion, climate change, etc, it can skew people towards one side

But who wants to waste hours on a super detailed, 70 dimensional quiz? ;)
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:04 pm

DeltaMD90 wrote:
Not to be a party pooper, but I always question how accurate 20 question quizzes can be.


That's certainly true, it's a nice gimmick but nothing more.

But who wants to waste hours on a super detailed, 70 dimensional quiz? ;)


Ha, count me in. Though everything above twelve dimensions is making me go dizzy.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:04 pm

DeltaMD90 wrote:
Not to be a party pooper, but I always question how accurate 20 question quizzes can be.


If properly done they can be very accurate. But this for example doesn't capture statistics of being gay, it doesn't ask that going in, and I would think two of the 20 questions would show significant bias to correct for.

That being said, I am smack in the middle of the lower left quadrant. Shortest way to Obama is 8 hops.

They ask about socialism, which I am very much against. I'm more free market


Those are not really mutually exclusive though. But that is a different discussion in deed.

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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:08 pm

I am closest to Angela Merkel, a little to the right and above her. Not too surprising given my more moderate social views.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:35 pm

Very close to the Mexican president too
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:53 pm

It says I'm close to Barack Obama. It puts me much more to the left and down, though, like tommy1808.

It asks where you are from, it's a good point as from a French perspective my answers aren't the same as if I had a US perspective (with money having totally corrupted the US political system).

However too many questions are not really questions but sentiments about concepts. I feel very strongly about many issues, that's why I end up so far to the left, however that doesn't mean I feel politicians should do anything special regarding those feelings. For example I would be glad if religions disappeared, but I certainly don't want the government to suppress them like in the USSR !

Also putting Obama to the left of Emmanuel Macron is a bit misleading I feel. Obama's main campaign point and achievement is Obamacare, in France we have a much more socialized system, and Macron is even adding stuff to it (free glasses and free dental work). Basically Obama moved the US slightly towards the left, and Macron is moving France slightly (or not so slightly, if you believe some) towards the right, but at the end of the day France is still much more to the left than the US.

And yes, I voted for Macron and still support him.
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:16 pm

I'm on the line between Obama and Trump. I am left of center on this whereas Trump is considered way right. I disagree with that. I don't think Trump disapproves of gay marriage any more than I do. He is not a Bible-based conservative. He is a populist, and not especially free market/free trade populist at that. Trump is wary of monopoly power and trade abuses. I think Trump is far more centrist than portrayed here. They are accurate about me (in the center) but wrong about Trump. He is the most centrist Republican in generations.

The very term 'populism' is nakedly hostile to democracy. Many people are hostile to democracy and we should not politely ignore that.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:46 pm

I'm close to Obama. Could be worse :)
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:47 pm

I'm close to Angela Merkel, pleasantly surprised in some ways not to be up near Farage etc
The survey questions however appear to be very simplistic/idealistic
"do you feel that the left wing are evil" type questions, in general of course not, when however a very small minority refuse people whose views they do not like even the opportunity to speak, or even worse take violent action against them that's entirely another matter. We now hear people elected to public office saying "I would never speak to a Conservative" In years gone by it was the norm for politicians to spend hours arguing a point in a debating chamber and then retire to the bar and buy each other a pint, rather more civilised.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:51 pm

Seems I'm smack in the middle of a line drawn from 43 to 44. Sounds about right although as other have said 20 questions does not really grant a great understanding of someone politics.
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:25 pm

Somewhere between Obama and Sanders
I feel like the test couldn't cater regional political differences
edit: yeah changing the country i am thinking of put me very far down the "non-populist" axis
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:46 pm

As left as Bernie Sanders and as non-populist as Angela Merkel.
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Re: How populist are you?

Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:38 pm

I'm 2 hops more populist, and 2 hops to the right of Angela Merkel.
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:15 am

Left leaning European Social Democrat .Dont need a questionnaire to tell me that; Having said that the test does align me with Macron.

DeltaMD90 a note Socialism and Free Market economics are NOT polar opposites. Socialism is not communism!
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:19 am

rutankrd wrote:
Left leaning European Social Democrat .Dont need a questionnaire to tell me that; Having said that the test does align me with Macron.

DeltaMD90 a note Socialism and Free Market economics are NOT polar opposites. Socialism is not communism!


For most Americans it is, it as been framed like that for ages over there. But indeed it is totally different. I am a liberal socialist and am an entrepreneur in real life. I am totally fine with that.
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:21 am

rutankrd wrote:
Left leaning European Social Democrat .Dont need a questionnaire to tell me that; Having said that the test does align me with Macron.

DeltaMD90 a note Socialism and Free Market economics are NOT polar opposites. Socialism is not communism!


Kinda proves my point on the simplicity of these tests, I didn't say they were, I'm saying that answering the socialism question on the survey would move you left while the free market question would move you right when it's a lot more nuanced than "left" vs "right."

I was mentioning the socialism question and then the free market question, and then contrasted it with universal healthcare (not exactly socialist but closer in that camp than the opposite of socialism) and consumer protections which kinda goes against "free markets." In other words, I mentioned A, B, C, and D and was comparing A vs C and B vs D not A vs B and C vs D

Maybe for a different thread, I don't think the two are diametrically opposed, but depending on your definitions, I'd say they at least clash a good amount. Not polar opposites but not greatly compatible I don't think
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:38 am

Free markets and Socialism are not mutually exclusive

We’ve had mostly free markets for decades in the US despite our moron president attempts to rein that in now and the much demonized socialism is alive and well with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid etc
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:15 am

Almost bullseye, just one notch towards non-populist right.

I also agree with previous posts that traditional "left" and "right" ideas can coexist just fine in many ways.
For example I agree with a free market, a flat tax system and keeping the state as slim as possible, yet i'm also I'm also in favour of a strong social and healthcare system. All together are realistically achievable in a powerful economy.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:26 am

Just above Obama on the populist left side of the line.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:03 am

It did not ask a single question about refugees or immigration, which if it did I would hope take me more closely aligned with Orban than Macron, which it gave me. I believe in national sovereignty to individually determine their own laws and borders too.
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:16 am

Hallelujah:

"You're least similar to: Donald Trump"

(Not that I had doubts...)
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:43 am

I got Orban
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:02 am

Closest to Macron, but further towards the non-populist left corner.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:23 am

I don't understand what gay rights and church authority has to do with left and right..?
I'm a non-populist slightly slightly to the left BTW.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:54 am

Am I the only one who's most similar to a leader that's not part of the G7?

Apparently I'm similar to Evo Morales, although my position is one hexagon right & 5 hexagons north of the centre lines - which makes me a soft populist right.

DeltaMD90 wrote:
Not to be a party pooper, but I always question how accurate 20 question quizzes can be. You can have people vote nearly the opposite on every question and end up on the same place on the chart (if they are "moderates".) Also, a 2D graph is kinda simplistic.


Well it seems the quiz was devised by a group of academicians. Here's what it said:

The model is based on the so-called ideational definition of populism, using definitions by the political scientists Cas Mudde, a professor at the university of Georgia, and Kirk Hawkins, an associate professor at Brigham Young University. Hawkins was one of four academics who helped build the quiz. The others were Bruno Castanho Silva (University of Cologne), Nina Wiesehomeier (IE University), and Levente Littvay (Central European University).

The placement of the political leaders was done by asking experts on each politician to complete the same survey as if they were that politician. To make this more reliable, several experts – academics, journalists and others – were asked to complete the survey for each politician, and an average taken of their interpretations.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... e-you-quiz
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Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:06 pm

We have had these tests before so I won't bother. I am always near the middle. Though most extremists in this forum can't understand how you can be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Even if one of the people who will run in 2024 from the Dems is.
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:31 pm

You're most similar to:
Evo Morales Bolivian president
Evo Morales has been president of Bolivia since 2006. He has successfully sought an end to term limits, champions indigenous rights - he is an Aymara - and pursued a policy of partial nationalisation.

You're least similar to:
Angela Merkel German chancellor
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:39 pm

BartSimpson wrote:
Hallelujah:

"You're least similar to: Donald Trump"

(Not that I had doubts...)


They said that for me too, even though I am a Trump apologist/explainer on this forum and NYT if I ever comment there. I think they have Trump politics modeled wrongly. I put patriotism pretty high and Nationalism somewhat approve, because I approve of borders and traffic controls based on what voters want. I don't think the government is capable of managing programs particularly well, but I do think government has an important in setting standards, enforcing antitrust, pollution laws, acceptable trade practices, national defense etc.

Trump is much further left than he is being given credit for. In some cases, he is to the left of democrats and Silicon Valley - it's just termed 'populism' when he does it. Conservatism means protecting the status quo and the power structure. Democrats do a lot of that.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:04 pm

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Well it seems the quiz was devised by a group of academicians. Here's what it said:

Academics or not, I still question how accurate 20 questions can get you, especially when some are wasted on questions like, what was it, if you think leftists are evil? Really?

And again, 2D graphs are too simplistic. For some reason a lot of people that believe X on abortion will think Y on completely random positions like climate change, taxes, etc, but there are some people that aren't in the mold and may be a, idk, person that is pro life, believes in climate change, is for higher taxes, against free trade, not for trans rights etc. That person would not fit well on a 2D graph, would just be mashed in the middle somewhere.

Furthermore, if someone was pro choice, doesn't believe in climate change, for lower taxes, against free trade, pro trans rights, they'd be in the middle close to the other guy despite disagreeing with 4/5 positions. That's because they have positions that cancel each other out. While a sad amount of Americans tie random issues together like taxes and abortion and blindly vote by party, it's not inconceivable to have a pro life high tax person.

But whatever, quick fun quizzes aren't meant to be taken too seriously. Their margin of error is just too much, even if you can retroactively make the candidates "fit"
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:56 pm

I am very slightly populist right...but just above the horizontal line and just right of the vertical line. That's about where I figured I would be as an independent with some right leaning views. Says I am closest to Evo Morales...but my dot actually looks closer to Macron and Obama than anyone.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:47 am

I'm most similar to ... Barack Obama, the most handsome president ever! THANK YOU, I feel so much better now!

The questions in this test are pretty open to interpretation though.
"Socialism"? Please define first.
Scummy politicians who don't care much for voters? Yes in the USA, no in The Netherlands. Same for Special Interests. Never heard of that term before I moved to the USA.
 
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:09 am

Absolutely the opposite of the Orange man.
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:41 am

Most similar to Pablo Inglesias, although far less populist. Least simlar to DT.

My strong answers against nationalism and patriotism would have pushed me away from populist.
 
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:44 am

My feeling is that peoples' background severely impacted the answers to the questions related to "nationalism" and "patriotism". I surmise that for many Americans, those two things evoke positive feelings, flag waving, independence, etc.
For me, those two things evoke war and death. Thanks, but no thanks.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:52 pm

I'm a Bernie Bot and least like old Trumper. Only a space or so away from Bernie Sanders and TBH I'm quite proud of that. Bernie is someone I admire.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:40 am

I'm a little bit further down and to the right of Evo Morales which puts me in populist right territory although nowhere near as far over as Trump is. I'm much closer to the middle. That makes sense because while I typically tend to side more with the right, I am quite moderate by Republican party standards.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:56 am

What? Most people on this forum are on the left? No way! :hyper:

I agree that you can't tell much with these questions, but what the hell... I'm apparently most similar to Angela Merkel. (non-populist right)
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:37 pm

I got non populist left. One hexagon below the populist/non populist line and six hexagons to left of the left/right.

Most similar: Barack Obama
Least similar: Donald Trump

I have to say I somewhat disagree with the result. I've always described myself as a centrist. I can't stand the whole current left/right us vs them mentality. Although it does put me close to Emmanuel Macron which is probably the world leader I respect the most at the moment.
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:28 pm

NoTime wrote:
What? Most people on this forum are on the left? No way! :hyper:

I agree that you can't tell much with these questions, but what the hell... I'm apparently most similar to Angela Merkel. (non-populist right)


Maybe you can find a more hospitable crowd on the forum for people who like to smear their shit on their walls.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:44 am

bagoldex wrote:
NoTime wrote:
What? Most people on this forum are on the left? No way! :hyper:

I agree that you can't tell much with these questions, but what the hell... I'm apparently most similar to Angela Merkel. (non-populist right)


Maybe you can find a more hospitable crowd on the forum for people who like to smear their shit on their walls.


Wow... kind of mean-spirited, no? Are you that defensive over your political leanings? Perhaps that speaks to some other insecurities that you are harboring...
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:44 pm

Slightly populist, solid left. Closest to Pablo Iglesias, farthest from Donald Trump (thank god :lol: )

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Re: How populist are you?

Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:00 pm

Nonpopulist centre, qualified by:

You're most similar to: Emmanuel Macron
You're least similar to: Donald Trump

Makes sense to me.
 
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Re: How populist are you?

Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:32 pm

How’s that Macron position working out today?

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