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Trump Foundation to Close

Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:21 pm

Trump Foundation To Dissolve Amid New York AG's Investigation

December 18, 201811:41 AM ET

New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood has announced that the Trump Foundation will dissolve. The foundation was established by Donald Trump well before he ran for president.

The news comes as her office continues its investigation into various questions about the foundation's conduct, including whether the foundation broke the law by coordinating with Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and whether it was truly functioning as a charitable organization.

Underwood said her office had detailed "a shocking pattern of illegality involving the Trump Foundation- including unlawful coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing, and much more. This amounted to the Trump Foundation functioning as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr. Trump's business and political interests."

Underwood said the foundation's decision to shutter was "an important victory for the rule of law."

The foundation agreed to dissolve under the supervision of a judge. Underwood's office will supervise the disbursement of the foundation's remaining assets to charities. The New York attorney general's office will continue its lawsuit against the foundation and is seeking millions in restitution and penalties and also seeks to bar Trump and his children from serving on the boards of other New York charities.

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/18/67777895 ... estigation

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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:38 pm

The news comes as her office continues its investigation into various questions about the foundation's conduct, including whether the foundation broke the law by coordinating with Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and whether it was truly functioning as a charitable organization.

It was the family piggy bank, run like a Mafia Family would run their racket. All family. State charges are wonderful things, beyond the pardoning power of the Oval Office. I saw on Fox News no less, that their could be sealed indictments on the state level. Imagine 10K for the orange man's personal portrait. They talked the talk about the Clinton Foundation, now let us see those indictments about the buffoons little racket. I do not recall any indictments for the Clinton Foundation, did I forget?
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:21 pm

That the "Foundation" never held an official meeting for many years, and that a member of the "Foundation" board didn't know he was a member of said board - this is both hilarious and telling.

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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:08 am

Trump's mistake was not making it a christian charity--then he could have been more like Paula White/Franklin Graham then...well...Trump :rotfl:
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:46 am

More of a democratic witch hunt.
 
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:57 am

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More of a democratic witch hunt.


Obviously they’re very successful...if only every investigation were such a “witch hunt.” :rotfl:
 
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:29 am

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More of a democratic witch hunt.


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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:46 am

The NY AG's office has the statutory duty to supervise and regulate non-for-profit (NFP) organizations including foundations like Trump's. NFP's are supposed to file annual financial statements, follow certain rules of spending but sadly the AG office really doesn't do much unless someone being it to their attention. That means many such organizations can get away with all kinds of abuses with little fear of getting caught, as Trump's was until now due to heighten pressure do to being a controversial President. There are organizations that independently review the AG's records of NFP's and clearly they found that Trump's Foundation was a scam, with the various improper behaviors as discussed in the media including tiny amounts actually given to charity.

Part of the deal will be to give the current assets of just under $8 Million to charities approved by an appointed court supervisor. I don't know how much the Trump family will have to say of who to recommend who gets the money. I would love to see the monies go to an organization that helps immigrants in distress, but more likely to put a positive spin to a (deserving) group that helps injured military persons. The NYAG's office will continue to seek civil and criminal charges as to Trump, his children who were officers of the Foundation for the malfeasance that occurred.
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:46 am

"a shocking pattern of illegality involving the Trump Foundation- including unlawful coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing, and much more."

A shocking pattern of illegality does lead to an indictment or two or three or . . .

There is no reason why Trump cannot be cuffed and take a perp walk for the world to see. The issue is this anus is so ignorant that there are probably sealed indictments waiting for him in multiple states.

And maybe the grown sons and daughter will join Daddy in the court houses around the country.
 
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:49 am

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"a shocking pattern of illegality involving the Trump Foundation- including unlawful coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing, and much more."

A shocking pattern of illegality does lead to an indictment or two or three or . . .

There is no reason why Trump cannot be cuffed and take a perp walk for the world to see. The issue is this anus is so ignorant that there are probably sealed indictments waiting for him in multiple states.

And maybe the grown sons and daughter will join Daddy in the court houses around the country.



I agree, such a pattern of greed and corruption, it boggles the mind and involves the whole family, or darn close. No sympathy from me.
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:15 am

So is this the one that will result in prison time or will this just fade away like all the others?
 
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:18 am

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And maybe the grown sons and daughter will join Daddy in the court houses around the country.


I keep saying Ivanka had best be getting knocked up real quick for sympathy purposes.
 
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:28 am

Is there a paper trail for what this "foundation" supported? Other foundations can show what they support. Gates, Zuckerberg, Clinton, etc. Just thinking out loud...
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:31 am

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So is this the one that will result in prison time or will this just fade away like all the others?



Time will tell as always, I think the biggest most damaging news is still coming. I know of nothing that has faded away, do you? Five convictions so far and counting.
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:08 am

WarRI1 wrote:
Berevoff wrote:
So is this the one that will result in prison time or will this just fade away like all the others?



Time will tell as always, I think the biggest most damaging news is still coming. I know of nothing that has faded away, do you? Five convictions so far and counting.


This is the one that should highlight a pattern of deceit and masquerading that should concern even the most hardened supporters. This is a charity that was used to give tax breaks where none should have been. It was used to hide assets that should have had taxes paid on them. That the Trump organization so quickly acquiesced and disbanded the foundation speaks volumes about what was done with this foundation.
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:20 am

seb146 wrote:
Is there a paper trail for what this "foundation" supported? Other foundations can show what they support. Gates, Zuckerberg, Clinton, etc. Just thinking out loud...


Small beer compared to the real philanthropists you named ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... Foundation
 
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:36 am

WarRI1 wrote:
Berevoff wrote:
So is this the one that will result in prison time or will this just fade away like all the others?



Time will tell as always, I think the biggest most damaging news is still coming. I know of nothing that has faded away, do you? Five convictions so far and counting.


I just get so annoyed that every time something happens people are always gleefully saying "This is it! Here we go!!!" and then nothing happens and everyone just ignores that they said that like 5 times in the last year. I mean Trump needs to go but this is just so annoying.
 
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:38 am

casinterest wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
Berevoff wrote:
So is this the one that will result in prison time or will this just fade away like all the others?



Time will tell as always, I think the biggest most damaging news is still coming. I know of nothing that has faded away, do you? Five convictions so far and counting.


This is the one that should highlight a pattern of deceit and masquerading that should concern even the most hardened supporters. This is a charity that was used to give tax breaks where none should have been. It was used to hide assets that should have had taxes paid on them. That the Trump organization so quickly acquiesced and disbanded the foundation speaks volumes about what was done with this foundation.


i mean i get that. Didn't everyone with a brain already know it was a pay for play scam? what I find annoying is that the usual suspects show up and say this is going to be the downfall and its the end etc etc. it happens every time so its just like ugh!
 
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:57 am

Berevoff wrote:
I just get so annoyed that every time something happens people are always gleefully saying "This is it! Here we go!!!" and then nothing happens and everyone just ignores that they said that like 5 times in the last year. I mean Trump needs to go but this is just so annoying.

:checkmark: I agree with you. I guess this won't help my quest to convince everyone (aka one guy in another thread) that I'm not a Russian troll considering your flag "looks Russian" (I know it's not Russian lol)

But I think there are a couple of different overreactions. There are people making a big deal about nothing, and people making a big deal about something relatively minor. There is a lot of the former, but I think this is the latter.

Honestly, I doubt this'll do much to hurt Trump. I mean this is the guy that said he grabs women by the pussies... what is some kinda shady rich guy foundation going to do? The Trump Foundation and many rich people's foundations are pretty much assumed to be corrupt to some level. Not saying it's right, but we know it happens, no shock, no new info. Just like everyone knows he probably pays 0 in taxes so what is going to happen if his tax returns get released? Absolutely nothing

The Cohen sentencing is at least finally something more serious, but call me crazy, I don't think many people are going to be swayed away from Trump since he probably (or may not have) told his lawyer to pay off a porn star he banged. I think most people would say it's technically against the law, but just like people still voted for Hillary (like I did) when she had her own private server illegally, I think people are gonna still vote for him despite, yawn, his lawyer violating campaign finance.

I am most interested in seeing what Mueller has. I've been more interested in the long game. I, like you, have been following every "omg we got Trump!" story only to see it pretty underwhelming. Mueller might actually have something good. Until then, call me unsurprised when a shady rich guy does some shady rich guy things
 
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:01 am

Berevoff wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
Berevoff wrote:
So is this the one that will result in prison time or will this just fade away like all the others?



Time will tell as always, I think the biggest most damaging news is still coming. I know of nothing that has faded away, do you? Five convictions so far and counting.


I just get so annoyed that every time something happens people are always gleefully saying "This is it! Here we go!!!" and then nothing happens and everyone just ignores that they said that like 5 times in the last year. I mean Trump needs to go but this is just so annoying.


There is just so much going on around he and his associates and his family. It is so hard to keep score.

And people keep denying anything bad is happening.
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:27 am

AA747123 wrote:
More of a democratic witch hunt.

I realize you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, but did you even read the post, or did you just reflexively reply to it?
"The foundation agreed to dissolve under the supervision of a judge." Meaning they mutually agreed to shut it down...
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:28 am

Berevoff wrote:
casinterest wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:


Time will tell as always, I think the biggest most damaging news is still coming. I know of nothing that has faded away, do you? Five convictions so far and counting.


This is the one that should highlight a pattern of deceit and masquerading that should concern even the most hardened supporters. This is a charity that was used to give tax breaks where none should have been. It was used to hide assets that should have had taxes paid on them. That the Trump organization so quickly acquiesced and disbanded the foundation speaks volumes about what was done with this foundation.


i mean i get that. Didn't everyone with a brain already know it was a pay for play scam? what I find annoying is that the usual suspects show up and say this is going to be the downfall and its the end etc etc. it happens every time so its just like ugh!



I try never to predict things like that, better to wait for it to be proven. We are all waiting for the other shoe to drop one way or another. I wait with bated breath the arrival of the Democratic majority in the House where there has been dereliction of duty by the Republicans.
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:03 am

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More of a democratic witch hunt.

And look at all the witches they've found!
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:20 am

Berevoff wrote:
I just get so annoyed that every time something happens people are always gleefully saying "This is it! Here we go!!!" and then nothing happens.


Losing ~5 mio USD is nothing.....yeah, right.

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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:37 pm

Berevoff wrote:
casinterest wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:


Time will tell as always, I think the biggest most damaging news is still coming. I know of nothing that has faded away, do you? Five convictions so far and counting.


This is the one that should highlight a pattern of deceit and masquerading that should concern even the most hardened supporters. This is a charity that was used to give tax breaks where none should have been. It was used to hide assets that should have had taxes paid on them. That the Trump organization so quickly acquiesced and disbanded the foundation speaks volumes about what was done with this foundation.


i mean i get that. Didn't everyone with a brain already know it was a pay for play scam? what I find annoying is that the usual suspects show up and say this is going to be the downfall and its the end etc etc. it happens every time so its just like ugh!


You can only hope people pay attention to the real issues, but people usually only listen to what they want to listen too. Trump is a liar, a thief, a traitor, a racist, a misogynist, and dishonorable. Every news day that goes by, only cements those attributes.
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:55 pm

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Trump is a liar, a thief, a traitor, a racist, a misogynist, and dishonorable. Every news day that goes by, only cements those attributes.


well, technically being a traitor requires committing treason. It is impossible for Donald Trump, or anyone else in the US, to commit treason since the US is not currently involved in a war declared by congress.

You can only use it in the "defraud the United States" sense.

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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:27 pm

casinterest wrote:
You can only hope people pay attention to the real issues, but people usually only listen to what they want to listen too. Trump is a liar, a thief, a traitor, a racist, a misogynist, and dishonorable. Every news day that goes by, only cements those attributes.

This Trump Foundation scandal could be 20 times bigger and still be bread crumbs compared to what he has already done.

Again, this is the guy who won* after saying he grabs women by the pussies (like a bitch :lol: )... after like 2 days of outrage was fine.

That is probably the easiest example to jump to, but the one that really struck me that was never really a big deal (shockingly, IMO) was when he proclaimed that we needed to go after their (terrorists') families. Pure evil.

He survived those two and like a million other things. This Trump Foundation jazz is going to convince a grand total of 0 people either way. I bet that if we find out that Trump directly ordered Cohen to pay Stormy Daniels hush money for an affair, no one is going to change their minds either way.

Not only do the things we've found out pale in comparison to what he has already said, it's just one of those things we already knew about him. Who cares about his tax returns? Almost everyone knows he makes less money than he claims and pays little to no taxes. People know his Foundation is probably a sham, they know he's a serial cheater and probably has paid off many women.

We need something big. Look, I know he's a bad guy, a lot of us do. But unless it's HUGE it's not going to change really anyone's perceptions in our ultra partisan country. Let's just hope the 2020 contender is a good one, it should be an easy win (though we said that last time...)

* Before I get 40 replies, yeah yeah I know she won the popular vote. Completely meaningless since we use the EC
 
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:38 pm

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More of a democratic witch hunt.

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Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:09 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Trump is a liar, a thief, a traitor, a racist, a misogynist, and dishonorable. Every news day that goes by, only cements those attributes.


well, technically being a traitor requires committing treason. It is impossible for Donald Trump, or anyone else in the US, to commit treason since the US is not currently involved in a war declared by congress.

You can only use it in the "defraud the United States" sense.

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We don't need a war declared by Congress in the US. It is giving Aid and comfort to the enemy.
If Russia sought to undermine the US election process, and Trump was offering Putin a free Penthouse suite, that is Treason
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:36 pm

DeltaMD90 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
You can only hope people pay attention to the real issues, but people usually only listen to what they want to listen too. Trump is a liar, a thief, a traitor, a racist, a misogynist, and dishonorable. Every news day that goes by, only cements those attributes.

This Trump Foundation scandal could be 20 times bigger and still be bread crumbs compared to what he has already done.

Again, this is the guy who won* after saying he grabs women by the pussies (like a bitch :lol: )... after like 2 days of outrage was fine.

That is probably the easiest example to jump to, but the one that really struck me that was never really a big deal (shockingly, IMO) was when he proclaimed that we needed to go after their (terrorists') families. Pure evil.

He survived those two and like a million other things. This Trump Foundation jazz is going to convince a grand total of 0 people either way. I bet that if we find out that Trump directly ordered Cohen to pay Stormy Daniels hush money for an affair, no one is going to change their minds either way.

Not only do the things we've found out pale in comparison to what he has already said, it's just one of those things we already knew about him. Who cares about his tax returns? Almost everyone knows he makes less money than he claims and pays little to no taxes. People know his Foundation is probably a sham, they know he's a serial cheater and probably has paid off many women.

We need something big. Look, I know he's a bad guy, a lot of us do. But unless it's HUGE it's not going to change really anyone's perceptions in our ultra partisan country. Let's just hope the 2020 contender is a good one, it should be an easy win (though we said that last time...)

* Before I get 40 replies, yeah yeah I know she won the popular vote. Completely meaningless since we use the EC


We need a good contender, but we need a smarter electorate. The GOP spends a lot of time ramping up issues that are not really relevant Voter ID, Immigration, Guns Rights. They convince gullible people that these are bigger problems that only the GOP cares about , when in reality, they are nonexistent problems, or issues where the parties disagree.
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:13 pm

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We don't need a war declared by Congress in the US. It is giving Aid and comfort to the enemy.


Exactly. "Enemy" is a country you are at war with.

If Russia sought to undermine the US election process, and Trump was offering Putin a free Penthouse suite, that is Treason
Going to Europe and undermining US intelligence for the word of Putin is Treason


Nope. That is being an unregistered foreign agent, part of a conspiracy to defraud the United States and, depending on the details, bribery of a foreign official.

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Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:37 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
We don't need a war declared by Congress in the US. It is giving Aid and comfort to the enemy.


Exactly. "Enemy" is a country you are at war with.


If Russia sought to undermine the US election process, and Trump was offering Putin a free Penthouse suite, that is Treason
Going to Europe and undermining US intelligence for the word of Putin is Treason


Nope. That is being an unregistered foreign agent, part of a conspiracy to defraud the United States and, depending on the details, bribery of a foreign official.

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Ok so I will call Trump a Fraud, but that was a given.
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:00 pm

casinterest wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
We don't need a war declared by Congress in the US. It is giving Aid and comfort to the enemy.


Exactly. "Enemy" is a country you are at war with.


If Russia sought to undermine the US election process, and Trump was offering Putin a free Penthouse suite, that is Treason
Going to Europe and undermining US intelligence for the word of Putin is Treason


Nope. That is being an unregistered foreign agent, part of a conspiracy to defraud the United States and, depending on the details, bribery of a foreign official.

Best regards
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Ok so I will call Trump a Fraud, but that was a given.


Among probably a hell lot of other terms to be added at a later date, that would seem appropriate.

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Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:04 pm

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tommy1808 wrote:

Exactly. "Enemy" is a country you are at war with.




Nope. That is being an unregistered foreign agent, part of a conspiracy to defraud the United States and, depending on the details, bribery of a foreign official.

Best regards
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Ok so I will call Trump a Fraud, but that was a given.


Among probably a hell lot of other terms to be added at a later date, that would seem appropriate.

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But does his current withdrawal from Syria and declaration that ISIS is defeated get a pass? Especially as Lindsay Graham is chewing him out on it?

I would open a new thread, but we have enough Trump threads.
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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:28 pm

casinterest wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Ok so I will call Trump a Fraud, but that was a given.


Among probably a hell lot of other terms to be added at a later date, that would seem appropriate.

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But does his current withdrawal from Syria and declaration that ISIS is defeated get a pass? Especially as Lindsay Graham is chewing him out on it?


I would guess only if congress declared war on Syria.... treasinous behavior, but not treason for a technicality, perhaps?

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Re: Trump Foundation to Close

Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:34 pm

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"a shocking pattern of illegality involving the Trump Foundation- including unlawful coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing, and much more."

A shocking pattern of illegality does lead to an indictment or two or three or . . .

There is no reason why Trump cannot be cuffed and take a perp walk for the world to see. The issue is this anus is so ignorant that there are probably sealed indictments waiting for him in multiple states.

And maybe the grown sons and daughter will join Daddy in the court houses around the country.


I put this in the same category as Trump University, just another scam to separate fools from their money.
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The corruption is bleeding through. The world has been exposed to the truth and one by one everyone affiliated with it will go down.
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