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The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:59 pm

The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Democracy Index 2018 ( One can achieve maximum 10 points )

Top 5

Full Democracy

1 Norway 9.87
2 Iceland 9.58
3 Sweden 9.39
4 New Zealand 9.26
5 Denmark 9.22

Flawed democracy

25 USA
33 Italy

Authoritarian Regime

Russia

Bottom 5

163 ↑ 2 Chad 1.61
164 Central African Republic 1.52
165 ↓ 2 Dem. Republic of Congo 1.49
166 Syria 1.43
167 North Korea 1.08


You can see the full rankings here:

http://www.eiu.com/topic/democracy-index

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... ed-in-2018



Not really moving in the right direction for many countries who frankly should be doing much better :-(
 
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Re: The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:47 pm

So.... Political Culture in the US scores 7.50, whilst France only 5.63, at the same time as you have a foreign hostile power hacking the US election and a president actively investigated for working for same hostile power against the interests of the US? In France we just have an active protest movement and some lawlessness. Meanwhile, the unmitigated sh%tshow in the UK merits an 8.13!
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Re: The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:53 pm

ozglobal wrote:
So.... Political Culture in the US scores 7.50, whilst France only 5.63, at the same time as you have a foreign hostile power hacking the US election and a president actively investigated for working for same hostile power against the interests of the US? In France we just have an active protest movement and some lawlessness.


France has more in common with the US's dated political system than most western democracies. It shouldn't come as a surprise we have similar dysfunction and vulnerabilities. At least France's system did avoid electing the blatant Russian backed presidential candidate. The fact it was legal for a candidate to be backed by a foreign country at the same time does reveal a vulnerability that the US doesn't have. It might happen here, but at least it is illegal.
 
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Re: The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:05 pm

Jouhou wrote:
ozglobal wrote:
So.... Political Culture in the US scores 7.50, whilst France only 5.63, at the same time as you have a foreign hostile power hacking the US election and a president actively investigated for working for same hostile power against the interests of the US? In France we just have an active protest movement and some lawlessness.


France has more in common with the US's dated political system than most western democracies. It shouldn't come as a surprise we have similar dysfunction and vulnerabilities. At least France's system did avoid electing the blatant Russian backed presidential candidate. The fact it was legal for a candidate to be backed by a foreign country at the same time does reveal a vulnerability that the US doesn't have. It might happen here, but at least it is illegal.


Does that make anyone feel better?
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Re: The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:20 pm

ozglobal wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
ozglobal wrote:
So.... Political Culture in the US scores 7.50, whilst France only 5.63, at the same time as you have a foreign hostile power hacking the US election and a president actively investigated for working for same hostile power against the interests of the US? In France we just have an active protest movement and some lawlessness.


France has more in common with the US's dated political system than most western democracies. It shouldn't come as a surprise we have similar dysfunction and vulnerabilities. At least France's system did avoid electing the blatant Russian backed presidential candidate. The fact it was legal for a candidate to be backed by a foreign country at the same time does reveal a vulnerability that the US doesn't have. It might happen here, but at least it is illegal.


Does that make anyone feel better?


Well, at least we have each other. The mentality of the population's majority is not anti-democratic, but our governments might be dysfunctional enough to knock off points for the purposes of surveys like this. And in the case of the US, it's dysfunctional enough that we are under the rule of the minority.
 
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Re: The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:47 pm

Jouhou wrote:
Well, at least we have each other. The mentality of the population's majority is not anti-democratic, but our governments might be dysfunctional enough to knock off points for the purposes of surveys like this. And in the case of the US, it's dysfunctional enough that we are under the rule of the minority.


I don’t understand here - why someone needs to care about these surveys? Why not just elect leadership according to the choice of nation and national legislature? This certainly should be the priority over what someone might think.
 
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Re: The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:50 am

anrec80 wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Well, at least we have each other. The mentality of the population's majority is not anti-democratic, but our governments might be dysfunctional enough to knock off points for the purposes of surveys like this. And in the case of the US, it's dysfunctional enough that we are under the rule of the minority.


I don’t understand here - why someone needs to care about these surveys? Why not just elect leadership according to the choice of nation and national legislature? This certainly should be the priority over what someone might think.


Hahahahaha..... " elect leadership according to the choice of nation and national legislature".

Those are to gauge how much electing is involved in a certain country.

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Re: The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:17 am

Mortyman wrote:




Not really moving in the right direction for many countries who frankly should be doing much better :-(


Says who? So by your post you feel the US should be more like your country since you are #1?

No thanks I will take the US just as it is. Thank you.
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Re: The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:32 am

Putting the US at 35 while at the same time putting corrupt -to-the-bone New Zealand in the top 5 is just laughable. That entire ranking can be discarded.
 
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Re: The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:05 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Mortyman wrote:




Not really moving in the right direction for many countries who frankly should be doing much better :-(


Says who? So by your post you feel the US should be more like your country since you are #1?

No thanks I will take the US just as it is. Thank you.

Sure, as long you can tell the world what to do (only for your interest).
 
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Re: The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:40 am

tommy1808 wrote:
Hahahahaha..... " elect leadership according to the choice of nation and national legislature".

Those are to gauge how much electing is involved in a certain country.


OK, so what needs to happen once the survey reaches its target audience? For example - this thread specifically calls Russia as "authoritarian". Should they go to the Red Square and maidan Putin out? Their Western neighbors did such a thing 5 years ago - nobody else wants to do it. Even having a bit less "electing" is by far better than all the electing you can get, with everything else going down the drain. And even there - electing is limited since there are dudes with guns who will count the votes "correctly" and "patriotically".
 
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Re: The Economist Democracy Index 2018

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:35 am

anrec80 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Hahahahaha..... " elect leadership according to the choice of nation and national legislature".

Those are to gauge how much electing is involved in a certain country.


OK, so what needs to happen once the survey reaches its target audience?


Not all information is a call to action. This for example is just a good thing to know that everybody claiming Russia is a democracy is a liar and best be ignored on all other topics regarding Russia, because they obviously either don´t know what they are talking about, are deliberately lying or both.

But yeah, Maidan Putin away is the only option, as they certainly can´t un-elect them.

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