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tommy1808 wrote:Just Scotland? We should welcome Northern Ireland too, once they come knocking.
Wales... mmm.. they voted to leave, but we still welcome their jobs I guess...
Best regards
Thomas
Olddog wrote:tommy1808 wrote:Just Scotland? We should welcome Northern Ireland too, once they come knocking.
Wales... mmm.. they voted to leave, but we still welcome their jobs I guess...
Best regards
Thomas
Well if NI joins it will be an Ireland reunification. And I can't see a GFA's referendum before several years. Wales is totally absorbed in England so maybe but not before along time.
KLDC10 wrote:I don't understand why some users here appear to be revelling in the extremely unlikely prospect of the United Kingdom breaking up? It isn't going to happen any more than Catalonia is going to break away from Spain.
tommy1808 wrote:The Scottish independence movement is kinda strong....
KLDC10 wrote:I don't understand why some users here appear to be revelling in the extremely unlikely prospect of the United Kingdom breaking up? It isn't going to happen any more than Catalonia is going to break away from Spain.
ChrisKen wrote:tommy1808 wrote:The Scottish independence movement is kinda strong....
Except it isn't.
ltbewr wrote:Perhaps something will have to be done by the EC to recognize this special situation but I am not sure what that could be.
LJ wrote:ltbewr wrote:Perhaps something will have to be done by the EC to recognize this special situation but I am not sure what that could be.
The EU did it already by proposing to have NI in the customs union and set the border in the Irish Sea. I can't think that the EU would propose to do this for the USA or any other sovereign state
Olddog wrote:tommy1808 wrote:Just Scotland? We should welcome Northern Ireland too, once they come knocking.
Wales... mmm.. they voted to leave, but we still welcome their jobs I guess...
Best regards
Thomas
Well if NI joins it will be an Ireland reunification. And I can't see a GFA's referendum before several years. Wales is totally absorbed in England so maybe but not before along time.
Arion640 wrote:there would be civil war in Northern Ireland before a unification attempt with the Republic.
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kaitak wrote:Given the increasingly likelihood of the UK breaking up and weighing it up against the possibility of not leaving the EU and having another referendum, I wonder what Brexiteers would choose?
seahawk wrote:The population wants the Brexit, and it seems like May finally has the right ideas, like asking Ireland to either abandon the UK or eat the hard border. https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/govern ... xit-plan-b
Furthermore the UK is outperforming the economies of France Italy and Germany by a huge margin, while they are deep into a recession and can not afford a hard Brexit. Liam Fox is right in that.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... esson.html
So in the end Britain can afford the WTO Brexit and will still prosper, the EU will be destroyed in that case, with the major nations in an economic crisis and the population already tired of the EU.
seahawk wrote:The population wants the Brexit, and it seems like May finally has the right ideas, like asking Ireland to either abandon the EU or eat the hard border. https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/govern ... xit-plan-b
Arion640 wrote:Olddog wrote:tommy1808 wrote:Just Scotland? We should welcome Northern Ireland too, once they come knocking.
Wales... mmm.. they voted to leave, but we still welcome their jobs I guess...
Best regards
Thomas
Well if NI joins it will be an Ireland reunification. And I can't see a GFA's referendum before several years. Wales is totally absorbed in England so maybe but not before along time.
This post shows how little you really know.
Wales is a separate country just like Scotland, while there would be civil war in Northern Ireland before a unification attempt with the Republic.
Come on Richard where are you? As a passionate Brit you should be correcting all this, just as you do to me!
As for Scotland they’ve had their vote. Next general election the SNP in the house of commons will be diminished to what it once was. You can see how support has diminished when Alex Salmond wasn’t even re elected in 2017.
seahawk wrote:Furthermore the UK is outperforming the economies of France Italy and Germany by a huge margin, while they are deep into a recession and can not afford a hard Brexit. Liam Fox is right in that.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... esson.html
Britain is just seen as the drunk in the pub on a Friday night. The EU's only objective is to see Britain off the premises without any serious damage.
seahawk wrote:I found this reasoning in the comments section very convincing.
"The Eurovision Song Contest tells us[UK] everything we need to know about how the rest of Europe feels about us[British], even when we do have a reasonable singer we get zero points!!! There might be short term disruption but in the bigger picture we can flourish. Don't underestimate the British People!"
Olddog wrote:Sad but also hilarious: 26% of the people Sky asked think "No Deal #Brexit" means we #RemainInTheEU.
seahawk wrote:I found this reasoning in the comments section very convincing.
"The Eurovision Song Contest tells us[UK] everything we need to know about how the rest of Europe feels about us[British], even when we do have a reasonable singer we get zero points!!! There might be short term disruption but in the bigger picture we can flourish. Don't underestimate the British People!"
Olddog wrote:Sad but also hilarious: 26% of the people Sky asked think "No Deal #Brexit" means we #RemainInTheEU.
Dieuwer wrote:Time for another, new thread: "Brexit part 6: The IRA is back"?
Dutchy wrote:Oh boy........ After 2,5years of talking about it, they still don't know.....
seahawk wrote:"The Eurovision Song Contest tells us[UK] everything we need to know about how the rest of Europe feels about us[British], even when we do have a reasonable singer we get zero points!!! There might be short term disruption but in the bigger picture we can flourish. Don't underestimate the British People!"
Theresa May has identified what she described as “three key changes” that she claimed that she would be making to her Brexit policy. She did so as she delivered a statement to MPs - something she was obliged to do under the EU Withdrawal Act following the defeat of her plan in the Common last week. (See 5.01pm.) Critics said the changes she identified were ones she has promised before, and that she was not offering MPs anything particularly new, or anything with obvious potential to break the parliamentary deadlock.
LJ wrote:When did the UK submit a "reasonable" act lately? Then again, it shows that people don't get their fact straight. The UK received the "zero points" only once (in 2003, long before Brexit).
Richard28 wrote:With all this it is so Ironic that the full name of the Tory Party is the "Conservative and Unionist party". Their stated objectives are to maintain the Union, yet their current policy it would appear is encouraging the exact opposite....
Dutchy wrote:So plan B is actually plan A with some amendments, vote is next week.Theresa May has identified what she described as “three key changes” that she claimed that she would be making to her Brexit policy. She did so as she delivered a statement to MPs - something she was obliged to do under the EU Withdrawal Act following the defeat of her plan in the Common last week. (See 5.01pm.) Critics said the changes she identified were ones she has promised before, and that she was not offering MPs anything particularly new, or anything with obvious potential to break the parliamentary deadlock.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live
Arion640 wrote:Dutchy wrote:So plan B is actually plan A with some amendments, vote is next week.Theresa May has identified what she described as “three key changes” that she claimed that she would be making to her Brexit policy. She did so as she delivered a statement to MPs - something she was obliged to do under the EU Withdrawal Act following the defeat of her plan in the Common last week. (See 5.01pm.) Critics said the changes she identified were ones she has promised before, and that she was not offering MPs anything particularly new, or anything with obvious potential to break the parliamentary deadlock.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live
Well as you guys keep saying, there can be no further negotiation and no cherry picking, so so be it!
No deal brexit here we come.
Klaus wrote:Richard28 wrote:With all this it is so Ironic that the full name of the Tory Party is the "Conservative and Unionist party". Their stated objectives are to maintain the Union, yet their current policy it would appear is encouraging the exact opposite....
That's nothing but pretense at this point any more – by far the majority of Tory members don't care at all whether they'll lose NI as long as they get their coveted Brexit.
Arion640 wrote:
Well as you guys keep saying, there can be no further negotiation and no cherry picking, so so be it!
No deal brexit here we come.
Richard28 wrote:[*] Scotland could call for a new referendum, but it is up to London whether this goes ahead. It is ironic that Scotland does not have its own Article 50 type provisions to break away from the UK and a time and manner of its own choosing. As to which way a vote would go (if allowed by Westminster) your guess is as good as mine, but I would not confuse Scottish or national elections with a future referendum result, just as the 2017 UK General Election did not concur the views on EU membership or reflect the 2016 EU referendum.
sabenapilot wrote:Expect her neutral motion to be successfully amended by Parliament to include:
1- the immediate need to seek an extension to article 50
2- the need to take 'no deal' of the table
3- a permanent CU with the EU
4- a much softer version of Brexit, possibly even Norway style
and possibly also a 5th, albeit later:
5- the need to have this version of Brexit approved via a referendum
sabenapilot wrote:1- the immediate need to seek an extension to article 50
2- the need to take 'no deal' of the table
3- a permanent CU with the EU
4- a much softer version of Brexit, possibly even Norway style
and possibly also a 5th, albeit later:
5- the need to have this version of Brexit approved via a referendum
Dutchy wrote:Arion640 wrote:Dutchy wrote:So plan B is actually plan A with some amendments, vote is next week.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live
Well as you guys keep saying, there can be no further negotiation and no cherry picking, so so be it!
No deal brexit here we come.
Don't know. Still time. First, we need a divorce bill settled if the back=stop could be the Norwegian model for instance.
Arion640 wrote:Dutchy wrote:Arion640 wrote:
Well as you guys keep saying, there can be no further negotiation and no cherry picking, so so be it!
No deal brexit here we come.
Don't know. Still time. First, we need a divorce bill settled if the back=stop could be the Norwegian model for instance.
I would actually accept Mays deal, like i said before there would have to be a compromise in the end. And it’s delaying the country from moving forward now.
Arion640 wrote:Dutchy wrote:Arion640 wrote:
Well as you guys keep saying, there can be no further negotiation and no cherry picking, so so be it!
No deal brexit here we come.
Don't know. Still time. First, we need a divorce bill settled if the back=stop could be the Norwegian model for instance.
I would actually accept Mays deal, like i said before there would have to be a compromise in the end. And it’s delaying the country from moving forward now.