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Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:21 pm

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/ ... li=BBnbfcL

Wilber Ross seems to be a bit out of touch with the American worker it seems. Thoughts?
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:23 pm

There was some talk about writing some legislation that would allow banks and credit unions to give federal workers who are furloughed interest free loans that the government would back. Or something to that effect. I only heard this in passing as I was on my way to lunch on the radio.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:27 pm

BravoEcho757 wrote:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/commerce-chief-tells-strapped-federal-workers-to-get-loans/ar-BBSG62p?li=BBnbfcL

Wilber Ross seems to be a bit out of touch with the American worker it seems. Thoughts?


He is out of touch. He also doesn't recognize all the private workers that are directly affected by this shutdown that won't get back pay.
A lot of Federal workers make very little money, and they live near the poverty line. They can't just go out and get a loan.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:28 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
There was some talk about writing some legislation that would allow banks and credit unions to give federal workers who are furloughed interest free loans that the government would back. Or something to that effect. I only heard this in passing as I was on my way to lunch on the radio.


The last time I went to get a HELOC, it took 20 days.

A personal loan could be quicker, but at the cost of the interest, it is difficult to see how it is beneficial. It would be easier for the senate to just open up the government.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:32 pm

Wilbur Ross is possibly one of the biggest crooks in the auditorium of thieves in the Trump mal-administration. He is a very rich person, mainly got rich buying companies, destroying workers then resell keeping a huge profit. Maybe he could set up a bank of money for the out of work Gov employees at 0% interest.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:36 pm

I would bet some government employees are getting loans. Not good loans, but those loans at shady payday loan places that ask few questions and charge insane interest rates. I have always felt those places are only one step above loan sharks. I am sure many are taking advantage of the situation.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:36 pm

Yes, he's describing people's inability to feed themselves and pay rent as a "liquidity crisis" as if they are large corporations that can make a profit off of loaned money. What a f*cking dirtbag.

Not all of us have a net worth of $700 million.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:55 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
There was some talk about writing some legislation that would allow banks and credit unions to give federal workers who are furloughed interest free loans that the government would back. Or something to that effect. I only heard this in passing as I was on my way to lunch on the radio.

While I can understand a desire to help, in general I am categorically against something like this. Why? It should not be needed!!!! It shifts the burden away from the parties that this absolutely should rest on: the legislators and others in the government leadership that create this kind of situation.

Why should banks and CU's be made to give "free loans" due to the failures in the government?

And who pretends that there isn't a cost somewhere here that the public will ultimately have to pay?

If this is done, doesn't that make it even easier for this stupid s#!t to happen again? Or to last longer? "No one is hurt, everyone is getting what they need!... "

I don't like enabling stupidity (more than we already do).

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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:13 pm

He's right. There's many institutions offering interest free loans for the government employees.

But since these same people already haven't been wise with their money, I don't expect that behavior to change to take advantage of the offers. That onus is on the worker. It's not the government's job to lead you by hand to the trough.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:18 pm

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He's right. There's many institutions offering interest free loans for the government employees.

But since these same people already haven't been wise with their money, I don't expect that behavior to change to take advantage of the offers. That onus is on the worker. It's not the government's job to lead you by hand to the trough.


That's fine. Go tell the Lying Racist that started this problem to open the government and pay these workers their money now.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:21 pm

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He's right. There's many institutions offering interest free loans for the government employees.

But since these same people already haven't been wise with their money, I don't expect that behavior to change to take advantage of the offers. That onus is on the worker. It's not the government's job to lead you by hand to the trough.


You are so unbelievably out of touch, it makes my blood boil. You're basically saying what he is.

How about we just cut off your paycheck for a couple of months, and watch what you do. Go on, in solidarity, and to show us how easy it is, put all your money into a savings account, and then figure out what to do.

We'll wait for you to impart your wisdom.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:23 pm

Seriously? Is no-one in the Trump administration capable of any empathy? Now we have the modern equivalent of the quote attributed to Marie-Antoinette: "Finally I recalled the stop-gap solution of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread, and who responded: 'Let them eat brioche'"

Let them eat cake” is the most famous quote attributed to Marie-Antoinette, the queen of France during the French Revolution. As the story goes, it was the queen’s response upon being told that her starving peasant subjects had no bread. Because cake is more expensive than bread, the anecdote has been cited as an example of Marie-Antoinette’s obliviousness to the conditions and daily lives of ordinary people. But did she ever actually utter those words? Probably not.


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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:25 pm

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Maybe he could set up a bank of money for the out of work Gov employees at 0% interest.

He swooped down on the banks of Ireland like a vulture in the last decade. Made a packet out of it.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:26 pm

Elect a billionaire born into wealth.

Be surprised at the foreseeable result.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:31 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
He's right. There's many institutions offering interest free loans for the government employees.

But since these same people already haven't been wise with their money, I don't expect that behavior to change to take advantage of the offers. That onus is on the worker. It's not the government's job to lead you by hand to the trough.


WTF...

Serious, "haven't been wise"? It's well known that 80% of Americans have much emergency "rainy day fund". So 80% of them are simply "not wise"?

Oh, and they're about to have a 2nd paycheck skipped over tomorrow. Go ahead, live with zero salary just b/c all those morons in Congress and White House have zero solutions (oh, and BTW, if those federal workers live in DC, they don't even have any representation in the congress, so don't give me BS as to "they got what they elected for").

Sigh...just how out of touch some people can be. What's next, tell them to "go get another job"?

P.S. But what should I expect from people in Drumpf administration anyway. Their way of getting money involved taking out loans, default on them, file bankruptcies just so they don't have to repay those money, or sue the lenders as to how "unfair" the loan terms are, etc.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:33 pm

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You are so unbelievably out of touch, it makes my blood boil. You're basically saying what he is.

How about we just cut off your paycheck for a couple of months, and watch what you do. Go on, in solidarity, and to show us how easy it is, put all your money into a savings account, and then figure out what to do.

We'll wait for you to impart your wisdom.


And it makes my blood boil that you can't see the truth behind it. You are completely out of touch with reality.

If I lose my cash flow for a couple weeks, it's my problem if I can't survive. I could lose my job right now. I have no control over it. It's my decision whether or not I have savings for these scenarios. If I don't, the blame falls on me. ME. Not the government. Not my employer. Not my family. ME. It's called personal responsibility and wise decision making.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:35 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
bgm wrote:
You are so unbelievably out of touch, it makes my blood boil. You're basically saying what he is.

How about we just cut off your paycheck for a couple of months, and watch what you do. Go on, in solidarity, and to show us how easy it is, put all your money into a savings account, and then figure out what to do.

We'll wait for you to impart your wisdom.


And it makes my blood boil that you can't see the truth behind it. You are completely out of touch with reality.

If I lose my cash flow for a couple weeks, it's my problem if I can't survive. I could lose my job right now. I have no control over it. It's my decision whether or not I have savings for these scenarios. If I don't, the blame falls on me. ME. Not the government. Not my employer. Not my family. ME. It's called personal responsibility and wise decision making.


Maybe we should just call your boss and ask you to keep working as long as possible. You will get your paycheck in 2 -3 months, or whenever the boss gets around going to the bank to make payroll.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:38 pm

Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

I was just thinking that the other day. Great minds.... :wave:

Dems love to make Loans to students and others, so maybe this could be doable for them, if their constituents in Loan-Making shops cut some of the interest.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:39 pm

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Maybe we should just call your boss and ask you to keep working as long as possible. You will get your paycheck in 2 -3 months, or whenever the boss gets around going to the bank to make payroll.


That's a helluva a lot better than losing your job, which tens of thousands of Americans face every day. Where's their interest-free loan? Where's the outrage for their loss of a job, a much worse scenario than working with delayed pay?

You're just stating the party propaganda line. Party over people. Party over country. Party over truth and reason. It's cult-like.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:42 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
bgm wrote:
You are so unbelievably out of touch, it makes my blood boil. You're basically saying what he is.

How about we just cut off your paycheck for a couple of months, and watch what you do. Go on, in solidarity, and to show us how easy it is, put all your money into a savings account, and then figure out what to do.

We'll wait for you to impart your wisdom.


And it makes my blood boil that you can't see the truth behind it. You are completely out of touch with reality.

If I lose my cash flow for a couple weeks, it's my problem if I can't survive. I could lose my job right now. I have no control over it. It's my decision whether or not I have savings for these scenarios. If I don't, the blame falls on me. ME. Not the government. Not my employer. Not my family. ME. It's called personal responsibility and wise decision making.


But are any of those workers blaming anybody? NO. Hack, some of them are literally working for free. FREE!

Seriously, stop living in your stupid alternative reality. Real people are affected, and the solution suggested is "why not just take out some loan", you mean loans that they have to repay (Most of them are certainly NOT interest-free, banks are there to make money after all).

Oh well, WTF do I expect from some supporters of the stupid f**king moron in White House anyway.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:44 pm

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casinterest wrote:
Maybe we should just call your boss and ask you to keep working as long as possible. You will get your paycheck in 2 -3 months, or whenever the boss gets around going to the bank to make payroll.


That's a helluva a lot better than losing your job, which tens of thousands of Americans face every day. Where's their interest-free loan? Where's the outrage for their loss of a job, a much worse scenario than working with delayed pay?

You're just stating the party propaganda line. Party over people. Party over country. Party over truth and reason. It's cult-like.


What party am I ?

I am an American first and foremost that does not revel in seeing people suffer for lies and racism emanating from the GOP to rally support for a wall.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:15 pm

casinterest wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:
bgm wrote:
You are so unbelievably out of touch, it makes my blood boil. You're basically saying what he is.

How about we just cut off your paycheck for a couple of months, and watch what you do. Go on, in solidarity, and to show us how easy it is, put all your money into a savings account, and then figure out what to do.

We'll wait for you to impart your wisdom.


And it makes my blood boil that you can't see the truth behind it. You are completely out of touch with reality.

If I lose my cash flow for a couple weeks, it's my problem if I can't survive. I could lose my job right now. I have no control over it. It's my decision whether or not I have savings for these scenarios. If I don't, the blame falls on me. ME. Not the government. Not my employer. Not my family. ME. It's called personal responsibility and wise decision making.


Maybe we should just call your boss and ask you to keep working as long as possible. You will get your paycheck in 2 -3 months, or whenever the boss gets around going to the bank to make payroll.


Sounds like his boss is, or at least was... his Dad... so maybe it's easier for him to go out and get an interest-free loan from Daddy...
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:29 pm

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casinterest wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:

And it makes my blood boil that you can't see the truth behind it. You are completely out of touch with reality.

If I lose my cash flow for a couple weeks, it's my problem if I can't survive. I could lose my job right now. I have no control over it. It's my decision whether or not I have savings for these scenarios. If I don't, the blame falls on me. ME. Not the government. Not my employer. Not my family. ME. It's called personal responsibility and wise decision making.


Maybe we should just call your boss and ask you to keep working as long as possible. You will get your paycheck in 2 -3 months, or whenever the boss gets around going to the bank to make payroll.


Sounds like his boss is, or at least was... his Dad... so maybe it's easier for him to go out and get an interest-free loan from Daddy...


:white: :white: Definitely a nice catch.

I'll have to forgive him now for how out of touch he is - he never work a day in "real world" anyway.
 
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I get paid about monthly.. it's whenever the invoices come back. Sometimes when there isn't much contract engineering work to go around I may not see anything for several months. Just depends on what is being developed at the time.

But this isn't about me, and I know my situation and plan accordingly. When you're in a job that is as secure as a federal employee's job is, you have the luxury of choosing to live a lifestyle that means you don't have to worry as much about the fact you live paycheck to paycheck. For me, when time's are good, I make good money, but I don't spend it all each "pay period." I don't have a mortgage based on what I make when times are good. I budget and save accordingly. When you have a secure job you can live paycheck to paycheck, if that's your choice. I disagree with that choice, I think people should save more for catastrophic things.

At the end of the day I just don't think it's good optics or policy to attack workers who you hire, and say you're going to bring back after a shutdown. In the private sector, if you get furloughed you're out looking for another job the next day. These people want to go back to their jobs (or are still performing their jobs unpaid) and are just waiting on lawmakers. Both bills failed in the senate. oh well.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:07 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Sigh...just how out of touch some people can be. What's next, tell them to "go get another job"?


I have heard that argument from some individuals. I have also heard "They should just go find a job while they are on furlough". When I hear that I ask "Would you want to hire somebody who will likely leave without notice the day their regular job starts up again?" Of course nobody says they would hire a person like that.

MSPNWA wrote:
. It's my decision whether or not I have savings for these scenarios.
How long could you go? Very few could do that indefinitely. As much as people on a.net bitch about the TSA there are a lot of them and they are working. The job doesn't pay a lot. It's pretty difficult to save a lot if you are making $15 an hour, especially if you have other expenses, like children. Where I live you can certainly live on that wage, but you won't be putting a lot into savings or investments.

MSPNWA wrote:
That's a helluva a lot better than losing your job, which tens of thousands of Americans face every day. Where's their interest-free loan? Where's the outrage for their loss of a job, a much worse scenario than working with delayed pay?

If an employer routinely delays pay it won't be long before nobody wants to work there. It will be difficult to attract and retain employees if this kind of thing happens too often or goes on too long. My parent's neighbor is a Coast Guard recruiter. He told my dad he hasn't signed anyone up since the shutdown started. He said the first question they ask is "Are you going to get paid?". When he tells them no they say they are no longer interested. If you're 18 that regular paycheck is really important.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:53 pm

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But are any of those workers blaming anybody? NO. Hack, some of them are literally working for free. FREE!

Seriously, stop living in your stupid alternative reality. Real people are affected, and the solution suggested is "why not just take out some loan", you mean loans that they have to repay (Most of them are certainly NOT interest-free, banks are there to make money after all).

Oh well, WTF do I expect from some supporters of the stupid f**king moron in White House anyway.


They're not working for "free". Get your facts in order before you make your point or attempt a personal attack that tells everyone you've lost the debate. They're working for pay later, likely with extra pay. It's a cash flow problem, not a pay problem. That's the reality. The hard, sad reality. Institutions are coming to the rescue.The government is coming to the rescue. Where is your outrage for the tens of thousands every day that actually lose their jobs and don't have the government coming to the rescue like this? You outrage is disingenuous.

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What party am I ?

I am an American first and foremost that does not revel in seeing people suffer for lies and racism emanating from the GOP to rally support for a wall.


You tell us.

I don't revel in people suffering either. However the party you appear to support is built on policies that are known to increase economic struggle (lax border security also increases economic struggle), so I am respectfully going to say that you are barking up the wrong tree. Your concerns are valid. Your solution isn't. That's the mismatch.

winginit wrote:
Sounds like his boss is, or at least was... his Dad... so maybe it's easier for him to go out and get an interest-free loan from Daddy...


Congrats, you at least know a little piece about my history. I'll take your time digging as a complement.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:04 pm

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They're not working for "free". Get your facts in order before you make your point or attempt a personal attack that tells everyone you've lost the debate. They're working for pay later, likely with extra pay. It's a cash flow problem, not a pay problem.


They signed on to work, and to get paid on a regular basis. They are, for now, working for free - and with Trump's unpredictable tantrums, we don't know for how long.

MSPNWA wrote:
I don't revel in people suffering either. However the party you appear to support is built on policies that are known to increase economic struggle (lax border security also increases economic struggle), so I am respectfully going to say that you are barking up the wrong tree. Your concerns are valid. Your solution isn't. That's the mismatch. .


Since you don't know what party he supports, you obviously cannot know what his solutions are. Spewing drivel seems to be a specialty here on A.net...

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Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:16 pm

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You tell us.

I don't revel in people suffering either. However the party you appear to support is built on policies that are known to increase economic struggle (lax border security also increases economic struggle), so I am respectfully going to say that you are barking up the wrong tree. Your concerns are valid. Your solution isn't. That's the mismatch.

So are you going to put a wall up in Canada and Along the Alaska border as well? How has economic struggle increased under the democratic party? You ever heard of what party was in power at the start of the Great Depression? President, House, Senate?

You proclaim to know my party, but do you know yours?
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casinterest wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:
You tell us.

I don't revel in people suffering either. However the party you appear to support is built on policies that are known to increase economic struggle (lax border security also increases economic struggle), so I am respectfully going to say that you are barking up the wrong tree. Your concerns are valid. Your solution isn't. That's the mismatch.

So are you going to put a wall up in Canada and Along the Alaska border as well? How has economic struggle increased under the democratic party? You ever heard of what party was in power at the start of the Great Depression? President, House, Senate?

You proclaim to know my party, but do you know yours?

Wait a minute. I’m as liberal as they get, but are you seriously equating the issues on the northern border to the southern border? Look, if we want to be respected we can’t make patently absurd comparisons like that. Stick to the legitimate talking points, such as cost effectiveness.
 
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Magog wrote:
casinterest wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:
You tell us. I don't revel in people suffering either. However the party you appear to support is built on policies that are known to increase economic struggle (lax border security also increases economic struggle), so I am respectfully going to say that you are barking up the wrong tree. Your concerns are valid. Your solution isn't. That's the mismatch.

So are you going to put a wall up in Canada and Along the Alaska border as well? How has economic struggle increased under the democratic party? You ever heard of what party was in power at the start of the Great Depression? President, House, Senate?

You proclaim to know my party, but do you know yours?

Wait a minute. I’m as liberal as they get, but are you seriously equating the issues on the northern border to the southern border? Look, if we want to be respected we can’t make patently absurd comparisons like that. Stick to the legitimate talking points, such as cost effectiveness.


It looks like the former self-proclaimed "moderate" provocateur is now "as liberal as they get..."

:lol:

... and lecturing everyone on what they should be talking about.
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So are you going to put a wall up in Canada and Along the Alaska border as well?


:checkmark: With far-right "news" sources claiming (falsely) that Muslim prayer rugs have been found along the US side of the southern border, there is no doubt those scary people could enter via Canada. If those scare tactics don't convince us of the dangers of the borders with the Great White North, nothing will.
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alfa164 wrote:
Magog wrote:
casinterest wrote:
So are you going to put a wall up in Canada and Along the Alaska border as well? How has economic struggle increased under the democratic party? You ever heard of what party was in power at the start of the Great Depression? President, House, Senate?

You proclaim to know my party, but do you know yours?

Wait a minute. I’m as liberal as they get, but are you seriously equating the issues on the northern border to the southern border? Look, if we want to be respected we can’t make patently absurd comparisons like that. Stick to the legitimate talking points, such as cost effectiveness.


It looks like the former self-proclaimed "moderate" provocateur is now "as liberal as they get..."

:lol:

... and lecturing everyone on what they should be talking about.

I’m just not a fan of disingenuous arguments. It doesn’t help the cause.
 
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Why should banks and CU's be made to give "free loans" due to the failures in the government?



Because the government granted them charters. There are considerable privileges attached to operating a bank; there need to be commensurate responsibilities.
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I thought Mexico was supposed to pay for the wall?
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:33 am

Magog wrote:
Wait a minute. I’m as liberal as they get.

Every one of you're ten posts so far since joining this forum two days ago has taken the right wing point of view. And none of your posts have had anything to do with aviation.

This site needs to go back to requiring a credit card number before an account can be opened. Right now it's all too easy for a banned poster to just open a new account and keep on trolling.
 
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:39 am

salttee wrote:
Magog wrote:
Wait a minute. I’m as liberal as they get.

Every one of you're ten posts so far since joining this forum two days ago has taken the right wing point of view. And none of your posts have had anything to do with aviation.

This site needs to go back to requiring a credit card number before an account can be opened. Right now it's all too easy for a banned poster to just open a new account and keep on trolling.

It’s “conservative” to point out the fact that the northern and southern borders have very different circumstances? I said that I’m liberal, not a liar. I also said that we should use arguments that actually make sense, like cost effectiveness.

Trump is a liar. I refuse to be one too. I’m not a fan of hypocrisy.
 
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:46 am

If you don't like my post maybe you should flag it and bring it to the attention of the mods.
 
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:55 am

salttee wrote:
If you don't like my post maybe you should flag it and bring it to the attention of the mods.

Do you think that the northern and southern borders are contextually analogous?

Lying is bad. It’s what Trump does. I’m not going to be a Trump. You may want liberals to be liars. In that regard we differ. Frankly, I’m starting to think that you aren’t truly liberal, but that you’re a troll. True liberals don’t support lies.
 
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:14 am

I heard something on the radio. I was driving, so I am not 100% on the facts, but Wilbur Ross or his wife have interest in a bank who is charging 9% on loans for government employees. Payday loan places charge outrageous interest. Seems like this administration hates people who work. They keep saying "if you just work, you will succeed" but stop working people from being successful.
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:22 am

alfa164 wrote:

It looks like the former self-proclaimed "moderate" provocateur is now "as liberal as they get..."

:lol:

... and lecturing everyone on what they should be talking about.


Yeah, I was starting to get that vibe too.

And besides, a moderate? A moderate what, exactly? Bolshevik? National Socialist?

What he for damed sure wasn't was any kind if centrist, the word he was so clearly looking for. That guy couldn't even get the terminology right. Maybe that's why the name switch up. ..


Anyway, yawn.
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:01 am

MSPNWA wrote:
bgm wrote:
You are so unbelievably out of touch, it makes my blood boil. You're basically saying what he is.

How about we just cut off your paycheck for a couple of months, and watch what you do. Go on, in solidarity, and to show us how easy it is, put all your money into a savings account, and then figure out what to do.

We'll wait for you to impart your wisdom.


And it makes my blood boil that you can't see the truth behind it. You are completely out of touch with reality.

If I lose my cash flow for a couple weeks, it's my problem if I can't survive. I could lose my job right now. I have no control over it. It's my decision whether or not I have savings for these scenarios. If I don't, the blame falls on me. ME. Not the government. Not my employer. Not my family. ME. It's called personal responsibility and wise decision making.


Has it occurred to you that working for the government pays less than private industry ( for skilled and/or educated labor, unskilled labor makes more than the norm, but the "norm" requires food stamps to get by.)?

Regardless if your intentions were to troll, it worked. Most posts here don't get under my skin. Congrats.
 
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:04 am

alfa164 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
So are you going to put a wall up in Canada and Along the Alaska border as well?


:checkmark: With far-right "news" sources claiming (falsely) that Muslim prayer rugs have been found along the US side of the southern border, there is no doubt those scary people could enter via Canada. If those scare tactics don't convince us of the dangers of the borders with the Great White North, nothing will.


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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:07 am

salttee wrote:
Magog wrote:
Wait a minute. I’m as liberal as they get.

Every one of you're ten posts so far since joining this forum two days ago has taken the right wing point of view. And none of your posts have had anything to do with aviation.

This site needs to go back to requiring a credit card number before an account can be opened. Right now it's all too easy for a banned poster to just open a new account and keep on trolling.


In the political forums I go to, word on the street is that some conservative PR firm associated with McConnell has deployed a botnet and paid influencers to post things in forums that almost identically match the pattern of how this guy posts. Supposedly they've been deployed since the magateens conundrum.

He could very well really feel this way, but his posts have a striking resemblance to the format of the posts I was warned about.
 
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:11 am

Jouhou wrote:
salttee wrote:
Magog wrote:
Wait a minute. I’m as liberal as they get.

Every one of you're ten posts so far since joining this forum two days ago has taken the right wing point of view. And none of your posts have had anything to do with aviation.

This site needs to go back to requiring a credit card number before an account can be opened. Right now it's all too easy for a banned poster to just open a new account and keep on trolling.


In the political forums I go to, word on the street is that some conservative PR firm associated with McConnell has deployed a botnet and paid influencers to post things in forums that almost identically match the pattern of how this guy posts. Supposedly they've been deployed since the magateens conundrum.

He could very well really feel this way, but his posts have a striking resemblance to the format of the posts I was warned about.


Yeah, and he/she joined 2 days ago. Hmmm...
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Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:23 am

It It joined 2 days ago.
 
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:11 am

Jouhou wrote:

Has it occurred to you that working for the government pays less than private industry ( for skilled and/or educated labor, unskilled labor makes more than the norm, but the "norm" requires food stamps to get by.)?

Here is a very detailed study on that exact issue.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52637

Punch line:
Federal civilian workers whose highest level of education was a bachelor’s degree earned 5 percent more, on average, in the federal government than in the private sector.

Federal civilian workers with no more than a high school education earned 34 percent more, on average, than similar workers in the private sector.

By contrast, federal workers with a professional degree or doctorate earned 24 percent less, on average, than their private-sector counterparts.
 
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:12 pm

Why on earth would anyone expect that a multi millionaire, let alone billionaire, would somehow be able to relate to the everyday working man/women? This stooge wouldn't have a clue how much an average working class family has to budget every week for food, electricity, rent, fuel etc.

salttee wrote:
Magog wrote:
Wait a minute. I’m as liberal as they get.

Every one of you're ten posts so far since joining this forum two days ago has taken the right wing point of view. And none of your posts have had anything to do with aviation.

This site needs to go back to requiring a credit card number before an account can be opened. Right now it's all too easy for a banned poster to just open a new account and keep on trolling.

:checkmark: The quality of discussion here has taken a nosedive since free accounts were allowed.
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:24 pm

Government workers (except senior management) are far, far better paid than private sector workers.

We all have problems. Federal workers having money problems is not a truthful story in context.

The most relatable story is: they thought they had 100% secure paychecks for life, but it wasn't quite the case. Okay, that's sad. But other people deal with money problems every month, not just one month in a lifetime.

Edit: what magog said. The lowest paid Feds they can find still make over $20/hour.

The average federal employee has a wage of $90k plus, obviously, a good benefits package. We can reasonably say $100k average salary equivalent.
https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/federal-worker-pay

And yet, we see what I would regard as clearly false news stories suggesting Federal employee wages lag the private sector by 30%. This is a complete fringe opinion, but was reported as a news story by a very well funded newspaper whose goal is perhaps to ingratiate Jeff Bezos in Washington.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... p-reports/
 
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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:06 pm

Flighty wrote:
Edit: what magog said. The lowest paid Feds they can find still make over $20/hour.


You didn't look very hard, did you?

TSA wrote:
Hourly wages can range from $11.30 to $16.96 depending on experience, plus locality pay


From: https://www.tsa.gov/news/releases/2004/ ... t-airports

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Re: Commerce Chief "Why don't they just get loans?"

Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:11 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
Flighty wrote:
Edit: what magog said. The lowest paid Feds they can find still make over $20/hour.


You didn't look very hard, did you?

TSA wrote:
Hourly wages can range from $11.30 to $16.96 depending on experience, plus locality pay


From: https://www.tsa.gov/news/releases/2004/ ... t-airports

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Do you have anything from more recently than 2004?

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