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Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:47 pm
by casinterest
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics ... index.html

medical school yearbook page of Virginia Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam shows a photograph of two people, one in blackface and one in a KKK hood and robe.

The photograph, which was obtained by CNN affiliate WTKR, appears in the 1984 yearbook for Eastern Virginia Medical School yearbook and shows two people -- one in blackface and one in the KKK's signature white hood and robes.


Going to be pretty embarrassing for the Virginia Dems if this plays out.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:56 pm
by GalaxyFlyer
Typical hypocrisy by ever-corrupt politicians. Then again, probably far more widely done and said than the sanctimonious would admit.

GF

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:59 pm
by winginit
Yikes. This is awful. It's my hope that he steps down immediately.

Also if there was a firm that was hired to do oppo research on him during the campaign and they missed this I hope whomever paid them is clawing their money back.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:06 pm
by jetero
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Typical hypocrisy by ever-corrupt politicians. Then again, probably far more widely done and said than the sanctimonious would admit.

GF


There's a tremendous difference between someone who may have held certain beliefs or exhibited certain behavior in the past, and those who continue to exhibit certain behavior through coded statements, dog whistles, gaslighting, etc. If you can't see that difference, well, just goes to show how absolutely cynical and smug the Republican base has become.

That said, his credibility is in the toilet if it is true. Nothing short of a true acknowledgment of past beliefs and how hurtful and inappropriate they were, and a credible and sincere explanation for how those beliefs evolved would be necessary to stay in the position, but it's probably a bridge too far.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:19 pm
by OA412
He needs to resign. This stuff wasn’t acceptable when it was being done on the reg through the 60s, there’s simply no excuse for it in 1984. There isn’t a credible excuse he can use to justify this BS.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:50 pm
by aviationaware
A sanctimonious Democrat revealed as a hypocrite. Big shocker.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:28 am
by johnboy
After Kavanaugh and this, seems like the school yearbook is the first place to go for dirt!

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:31 am
by jetero
Aviationaware being sanctimonious and hypocritical. What a shocker.

I just don’t see the logic. Religious right says Trump is a “new man.” Unlike Trump, Northam didn’t spew racist vitriol that would be associated with his historical behavior on the campaign trail or since. Please tell me what the difference is, oh Supreme Arbiter of Intellectual Consistency.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:33 am
by dragon-wings
Do we know for sure that is him in the KKK outfit or the blackface?

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:43 am
by jetero
So sad this poor man’s life will be ruined for school hijinks.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:49 am
by Airstud
The photo is shockingly distasteful but it is also from his youth. I did some things in my youth that I am appalled by today (and would be shocked by as well, if it wasn't me who did and knew about them for 25 years now :boggled: ).

I think his statement of apology hit all the right notes. I've never been to Virginia but if this was my governor I wouldn't want him to resign over this.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:51 am
by stratosphere
jetero wrote:
So sad this poor man’s life will be ruined for school hijinks.


You all didn't seem to have a problem with frying Kavenaugh with suspect accusations from HS which none of them proved to be true. In fact a lot of the ones that came forward proved to be false.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:55 am
by stl07
stratosphere wrote:
jetero wrote:
So sad this poor man’s life will be ruined for school hijinks.


You all didn't seem to have a problem with frying Kavenaugh with suspect accusations from HS which none of them proved to be true. In fact a lot of the ones that came forward proved to be false.

He is mocking the righties to show them how stupid they sounded, and now you finally get it

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:55 am
by BN747
Yep, he needs to resign.

The photo I aw appeears to from the 50s....in which case, I'd say 'in the 50's it was a common insulting which many whites partook.

...but it's from the 1980s, exit stage left...

BN747

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:56 am
by af773atmsp
If we fired everyone who made bad choices in the past then no one would have a job or hold public office. At least he acknowledged what he did was wrong and apologized. If he tried burying the truth then yes he should resign if one of the people in the photo is him, but he told the truth which is shocking coming from a politician.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:36 am
by winginit
Airstud wrote:
The photo is shockingly distasteful but it is also from his youth. I did some things in my youth that I am appalled by today (and would be shocked by as well, if it wasn't me who did and knew about them for 25 years now :boggled: ).

I think his statement of apology hit all the right notes. I've never been to Virginia but if this was my governor I wouldn't want him to resign over this.


His 'youth'? He was in MED SCHOOL. Unacceptable.

jetero wrote:
So sad this poor man’s life will be ruined for school hijinks.


Yes this poor poor millionaire neurologist. How will he ever feed his family?

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:36 am
by GalaxyFlyer
jetero wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Typical hypocrisy by ever-corrupt politicians. Then again, probably far more widely done and said than the sanctimonious would admit.

GF


There's a tremendous difference between someone who may have held certain beliefs or exhibited certain behavior in the past, and those who continue to exhibit certain behavior through coded statements, dog whistles, gaslighting, etc. If you can't see that difference, well, just goes to show how absolutely cynical and smug the Republican base has become.

That said, his credibility is in the toilet if it is true. Nothing short of a true acknowledgment of past beliefs and how hurtful and inappropriate they were, and a credible and sincere explanation for how those beliefs evolved would be necessary to stay in the position, but it's probably a bridge too far.


Are you kidding? This stuff is happening today at various venues like college frat houses, private parties, bars and clubs. It’s part of life, but perhaps you’re sheltered in woke town. And I live in very liberal NE and here or see stuff like this not infrequently.

GF

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:39 am
by GalaxyFlyer
winginit wrote:
Airstud wrote:
The photo is shockingly distasteful but it is also from his youth. I did some things in my youth that I am appalled by today (and would be shocked by as well, if it wasn't me who did and knew about them for 25 years now :boggled: ).

I think his statement of apology hit all the right notes. I've never been to Virginia but if this was my governor I wouldn't want him to resign over this.


His 'youth'? He was in MED SCHOOL. Unacceptable.


What? You think doctors don’t hold prejudices against people outside their own? It’s hardwired. I was in South Africa and heard a black man say the most awful things about Zimbabwe refugees—Trump would have blushed in embarrassment.

GF

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:43 am
by Pyrex
Wow, turns out Megyn Kelly was right after all...

Still, doesn't come close to being the most shocking and distasteful thing this scumbag has done this week - hard to beat publicly supporting infanticide.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:44 am
by winginit
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
winginit wrote:
Airstud wrote:
The photo is shockingly distasteful but it is also from his youth. I did some things in my youth that I am appalled by today (and would be shocked by as well, if it wasn't me who did and knew about them for 25 years now :boggled: ).

I think his statement of apology hit all the right notes. I've never been to Virginia but if this was my governor I wouldn't want him to resign over this.


His 'youth'? He was in MED SCHOOL. Unacceptable.


What? You think doctors don’t hold prejudices against people outside their own? It’s hardwired. I was in South Africa and heard a black man say the most awful things about Zimbabwe refugees—Trump would have blushed in embarrassment.

GF


You've missed my point. It doesn't matter that he was training to be a doctor. It matters that he was a fully grown 25 year old adult when he did this, had it photographed, and allowed it to be put in a yearbook. He wasn't some idiot kid or teenager.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:11 am
by dmg626
af773atmsp wrote:
If we fired everyone who made bad choices in the past then no one would have a job or hold public office. At least he acknowledged what he did was wrong and apologized. If he tried burying the truth then yes he should resign if one of the people in the photo is him, but he told the truth which is shocking coming from a politician.



Spot on!

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:24 am
by WarRI1
You do the crime, you do the time. Democrat or Republican or anyone else. To not condemn him would be hypocrisy.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:52 am
by ltbewr
Interesting, the Lt. Governor is a Black man. He could become the 2nd Black man to hold the VA governorship.
First of all who was supervising and set up the contents of this 'yearbook' ? Seems they were the kind of people I would want as a doctor. I bet there were no only a very few Black students at the school at the time. Sorry, but has to resign so Democrat don't look like hypocrites.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:56 am
by FTMCPIUS
WarRI1 wrote:
You do the crime, you do the time. Democrat or Republican or anyone else. To not condemn him would be hypocrisy.

Hollywood so far: CRICKETS

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:18 am
by Airstud
ltbewr wrote:
Interesting, the Lt. Governor is a Black man. He could become the 2nd Black man to hold the VA governorship.
First of all who was supervising and set up the contents of this 'yearbook' ? Seems they were the kind of people I would want as a doctor. I bet there were no only a very few Black students at the school at the time. Sorry, but has to resign so Democrat don't look like hypocrites.


Clinton lied under oath - as President, not as a college kid - and didn't resign, so the Dems might have less to lose than you think.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:29 am
by DarkSnowyNight
FTMCPIUS wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
You do the crime, you do the time. Democrat or Republican or anyone else. To not condemn him would be hypocrisy.

Hollywood so far: CRICKETS



I realize you probably didn't know this. But Hollywood is a city in southern California. This is actually a different place than Virginia, which is in the mid-Atlantic region of the east coast.

It is therefore unlikely that the governorship of VA is important in Hollywood.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:30 am
by jetero
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
jetero wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Typical hypocrisy by ever-corrupt politicians. Then again, probably far more widely done and said than the sanctimonious would admit.

GF


There's a tremendous difference between someone who may have held certain beliefs or exhibited certain behavior in the past, and those who continue to exhibit certain behavior through coded statements, dog whistles, gaslighting, etc. If you can't see that difference, well, just goes to show how absolutely cynical and smug the Republican base has become.

That said, his credibility is in the toilet if it is true. Nothing short of a true acknowledgment of past beliefs and how hurtful and inappropriate they were, and a credible and sincere explanation for how those beliefs evolved would be necessary to stay in the position, but it's probably a bridge too far.


Are you kidding? This stuff is happening today at various venues like college frat houses, private parties, bars and clubs. It’s part of life, but perhaps you’re sheltered in woke town. And I live in very liberal NE and here or see stuff like this not infrequently.

GF


I’m sorry, what?!

I’d say it wouldn’t surprise me as I don’t know why the NE, Midwest, and West Coast get a free pass on racism (seems to be a burden for the South) but methinks you’re making sh*t up or hang out with some real shady characters.

But, yes, Texas and Houston in particular are pretty woke.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:33 am
by jetero
FTMCPIUS wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
You do the crime, you do the time. Democrat or Republican or anyone else. To not condemn him would be hypocrisy.

Hollywood so far: CRICKETS


1) FTMCPIUS, what would you expect them to say?

2) Have you done an exhaustive survey in the 4 hours since the news broke, or are you just been dramatic?

At least wait a couple days for things to settle before implying the real victims here are oppressed white Republicans who get unfairly accused of racism.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:37 am
by jetero
[quote="winginit”]Yes this poor poor millionaire neurologist. How will he ever feed his family?[/quote]

Reminds me of that poor underprivileged Brett “I Like Beer” Kavanaugh. Good thing he passed his job interview at the end.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:15 am
by Jouhou
winginit wrote:
Yikes. This is awful. It's my hope that he steps down immediately.

Also if there was a firm that was hired to do oppo research on him during the campaign and they missed this I hope whomever paid them is clawing their money back.


His Republican opponent came off pretty *proudly* racist. This wasn't exactly the right kind of ammunition for that guy to use.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:18 am
by Jouhou
stl07 wrote:
stratosphere wrote:
jetero wrote:
So sad this poor man’s life will be ruined for school hijinks.


You all didn't seem to have a problem with frying Kavenaugh with suspect accusations from HS which none of them proved to be true. In fact a lot of the ones that came forward proved to be false.

He is mocking the righties to show them how stupid they sounded, and now you finally get it


I'm not entirely sure the right wing understands how jokes work.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:34 am
by jetero
Jouhou wrote:
stl07 wrote:
stratosphere wrote:

You all didn't seem to have a problem with frying Kavenaugh with suspect accusations from HS which none of them proved to be true. In fact a lot of the ones that came forward proved to be false.

He is mocking the righties to show them how stupid they sounded, and now you finally get it


I'm not entirely sure the right wing understands how jokes work.


As our President says.

So sad.

Such a disgrace.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:42 am
by seb146

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:59 am
by DL717
seb146 wrote:


Well, yeah. It’s not like this happened when he was a teenager. Or that they’d all burn for not holding him accountable. Probably the later. It’s always the optics with the left.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:25 am
by seb146
DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:


Well, yeah. It’s not like this happened when he was a teenager. Or that they’d all burn for not holding him accountable. Probably the later. It’s always the optics with the left.


He did something when he was younger/last year/last week so why ruin his life?

vs.

He did something when he was younger that does not support American values.

Totally the same.....

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:34 am
by jetero
Ah just make him the next Al Franken. At least we keep our hands clean.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:21 am
by Jouhou
jetero wrote:
Ah just make him the next Al Franken. At least we keep our hands clean.


I vote for waiting a week or two before calling for his resignation just to call out conservatives for actually *defending* and re-electing their politicians when they do similar things. For instance: how does Steve King keep getting re-elected? Why has he not been forced to resign after his constant racism related scandals?

Oh yeah. Florida just elected Desantis. How about President "fine people on both sides" ? If we're going to make a point of taking the moral high ground, make the point first before media attention does off after actually taking the moral high ground. Dems need to up their messaging game. The moral high ground takes sacrifice, play it up more.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:30 am
by jetero
Jouhou wrote:
jetero wrote:
Ah just make him the next Al Franken. At least we keep our hands clean.


I vote for waiting a week or two before calling for his resignation just to call out conservatives for actually *defending* and re-electing their politicians when they do similar things. For instance: how does Steve King keep getting re-elected? Why has he not been forced to resign after his constant racism related scandals?

Oh yeah. Florida just elected Desantis. How about President "fine people on both sides" ? If we're going to make a point of taking the moral high ground, make the point first before media attention does off after actually taking the moral high ground. Dems need to up their messaging game. The moral high ground takes sacrifice, play it up more.


Oh I of course agree with you.

But when there’s a crystal clear party of absolute corruption I get the calls to dismiss.

Hopefully the guy comes out tomorrow with some sort of testimonial. I know our Republican Christians on this forum would be very quick to forgive.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:32 am
by Airstud
jetero wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
jetero wrote:
Ah just make him the next Al Franken. At least we keep our hands clean.


I vote for waiting a week or two before calling for his resignation just to call out conservatives for actually *defending* and re-electing their politicians when they do similar things. For instance: how does Steve King keep getting re-elected? Why has he not been forced to resign after his constant racism related scandals?

Oh yeah. Florida just elected Desantis. How about President "fine people on both sides" ? If we're going to make a point of taking the moral high ground, make the point first before media attention does off after actually taking the moral high ground. Dems need to up their messaging game. The moral high ground takes sacrifice, play it up more.


Oh I of course agree with you.

But when there’s a crystal clear party of absolute corruption I get the calls to dismiss.

Hopefully the guy comes out tomorrow with some sort of testimonial. I know our Republican Christians on this forum would be very quick to forgive.


Not a Christian, but dig my first post in this thread.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:37 am
by Dutchy
That is disgusting behavior. We all did disgusting things in university. Brains not fully developed, young naive, alcohol etc. Do we need to disclose all? Seems more like a witchhunt if you can be confronted with something you did over 30 years ago.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:39 am
by Jouhou
Dutchy wrote:
That is disgusting behavior. We all did disgusting things in university. Brains not fully developed, young naive, alcohol etc. Do we need to disclose all? Seems more like a witchhunt if you can be confronted with something you did over 30 years ago.


It's more than likely the governor doesn't have a racist bone in his body and actually fully understands how disgusting that was, and not just because he's been caught.

The real issue is the role "race" has played in our history and the extremely deep wounds it has left in the African American community. Yeah, things might have gotten better over time but black people are still disadvantaged in this country and they still face some pretty extreme racism.

Not doing anything at all to penalize the governor will reopen those wounds, it sends a message that white people with power will always get a free pass.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:33 am
by Airstud
Based on the developments of the past six hours or so, I now believe Justin Fairfax should spend the weekend in the Governor's office measuring for furniture...

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:46 pm
by Magog
It’s always sad when one of our own is exposed to be a racist. He needs to go.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:37 pm
by TTailedTiger
Northam says he will not be resigning. While what he did in 1984 is certainly unbecoming of an elected official, I have a far bigger issue with his promotion of killing a baby during birth.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:18 pm
by jetero
TTailedTiger wrote:
Northam says he will not be resigning. While what he did in 1984 is certainly unbecoming of an elected official, I have a far bigger issue with his promotion of killing a baby during birth.


Ah of course.

You must really hate Rick Snyder and what he did, then.

Would you consider yourself a “moderate”?

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:24 pm
by jetero
Magog wrote:
It’s always sad when one of our own is exposed to be a racist. He needs to go.


On of our own, eh?

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:29 pm
by NoTime
As someone pointed out earlier - How in the world did this not come up during the governors election cycle? I mean, it's in a yearbook. What an absolute failure of opposition research.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:33 pm
by jetero
NoTime wrote:
As someone pointed out earlier - How in the world did this not come up during the governors election cycle? I mean, it's in a yearbook. What an absolute failure of opposition research.


Yes, I agree, he was fairly elected. He should be able to stay in office. Let the voters decide next round.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:36 pm
by ltbewr
jetero wrote:
NoTime wrote:
As someone pointed out earlier - How in the world did this not come up during the governors election cycle? I mean, it's in a yearbook. What an absolute failure of opposition research.


Yes, I agree, he was fairly elected. He should be able to stay in office. Let the voters decide next round.

The state of Virginia only has governors serve 1 - 4 year term, they cannot run for the Governor's post again. However, he could lose in a run for election for another position. I am not sure if they have Impeachment proceedings for Governors in VA.

Re: Looks like the Governor of Virginia has a lot of explaining to do

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:37 pm
by NoTime
jetero wrote:
NoTime wrote:
As someone pointed out earlier - How in the world did this not come up during the governors election cycle? I mean, it's in a yearbook. What an absolute failure of opposition research.


Yes, I agree, he was fairly elected. He should be able to stay in office. Let the voters decide next round.


Perhaps. But, it sounds like he's got a ton of people in his own party that are calling for his resignation. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.