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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:09 pm

That’s sort of true—the Act gives the president authority to initiate milcon out of unobligated DOD funds. I’m sure the Pentagon budgeteers are sweeping programs for unobligated accounts to find the money, but Congress has standing to sue over the process.

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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:44 pm

More than 40,000 escaped East Germany, across a border which consisted of walls, fences, minefields and constant patrols by armed guards with orders to shoot on sight.

Tell me again how a wall, without any of the other things mentioned above, will work?
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:46 pm

So gross!! We need to move toward a borderless world!! The next step for humans is to move beyond flags, borders and walls. It is gross to see the U.S. not take a leadership role in moving toward a one world government!
 
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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:58 pm

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Tell me again how a wall, without any of the other things mentioned above, will work?


The actual wall doesn't make much sense and even Trump knows that. It's just a symbol for his base. He runs on fear, paranoia and anger and he needs to build that thing as a calming lotion for his supporters if he wants to have a chance in 2020.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:07 am

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The irony of this is that he has been telling the Democrats that the wall is going to be built, and as per federal law it is completely legal.



:rotfl:

This is the irony you find. Not the whole.... Mexico is going to pay for a wall turning into i'm going to shut the government down for a month, then ultimately do a dubious precedent at best to make YOU pay for the wall.

But that was the irony you found.

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Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:09 am

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The ICE agents know that a wall works and have actually asked for it to be built.



Oh come on. Sure a real wall works and exists in many of the most critical junctures, which is a good thing.

This is a real bullshit fence that is all about image over substance and you know it.
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:13 am

The emergency declaration will get him nowhere on the actual wall, but what's cheeky is that even with the $1.3 billion that was allocated for physical barrier in what is now the signed legislation Pelosi and the Democrats dog-walked Trump once again by slipping in language that essentially ties his hands:

Slipped into a funding bill that provides about $1.3 billion for 55 miles of border wall construction is a provision that prevents the Trump administration from constructing the barrier until DHS officials seek input from Starr County, Texas locals and city officials.

The spending bill mandates that Trump must “seek to reach a mutual agreement regarding the design and alignment of physical barriers” with Starr County “local elected officials,” including those from:

Roma, Texas
Rio Grande City, Texas
Escobares, Texas
La Grulla, Texas
Salineno, Texas

The deal demands Trump’s DHS to continue “such consultations” with local elected officials about the border wall until September, or until an agreement is reached. In the meantime, the spending bill stipulates that the administration cannot build any barriers “while consultations are continuing” with local elected officials.

It is not just local elected officials who have to approve of border wall construction, though. The spending bill mandates DHS open a public comment period by July, giving the public at least 60 days to voice opinions about the construction of a barrier in their county.

The rule has the potential to tie up the Trump administration in court with local elected officials who may object to a border wall in their county.


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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:46 am

I assume we can cut defense spending in the next budget if they have extra money just laying around to pay for this.
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:46 am

Awesome decision, it’s about time!
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:46 am

The guy who you guys called a socialist/marxist/lawless tyrant for 8 years?
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:54 am

During this National Emergency
Trump is flirting around Mar a largo with bon bons and Big Macs.
Probably with illegal aliens working the grounds.
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:21 am

winginit wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
mham001 wrote:
I really like the idea of the Chapos asset forfeiture funds paying for the wall and associated border security. Perfect.

Yes this is a great idea!


The Houston Chronicle debunked such a possibility using some pretty sound logic. Any and all of the El Chapo assets seized should first and foremost go to fund his $50M trial.


Didn't do that at all, it just said there wouldn't be as much as they claim. Granted, they incessantly inflate drug numbers. The Cruz bill is for "all traffickers". Since a large chunk of the drugs in the US comes through Mexico, it would be fitting to use all the asset forfeitures collected for this, rather than expensive toys for the local police departments.
 
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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:01 am

Let the ever more conservative SCOTUS have the final say, re "What will the Democrats do when/if they get in power again?????"

Much ado about nothing.

What's to do, is, to keep a Vigilant Watch for how the Liberal/Progressives will always try to go around the Law as written if they can't get the laws they want.
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:24 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
Well, Trump finally did it...

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... ll-1170988

Of course, this caught my eye more than anything...
"Trump announced the declaration from Rose Garden before. He plans to travel to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida later on Friday.".


"It's a national emergency folks, I am going golfing".

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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:59 am

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I don't think he should leave the White House during a National Emergency.
He should stay in the bunker until we are all safe.


He'll almost certainly be in a bunker at some point over the weekend! :wink2:

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The guy who you guys called a socialist/marxist/lawless tyrant for 8 years?


You forgot "non-American" and "Muslim"!
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:21 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Let the ever more conservative SCOTUS have the final say, re "What will the Democrats do when/if they get in power again?????"

Much ado about nothing.

What's to do, is, to keep a Vigilant Watch for how the Liberal/Progressives will always try to go around the Law as written if they can't get the laws they want.


I just can’t think of an American President who is trying to go around the law as written, can you?
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:27 am

BestWestern wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Let the ever more conservative SCOTUS have the final say, re "What will the Democrats do when/if they get in power again?????"

Much ado about nothing.

What's to do, is, to keep a Vigilant Watch for how the Liberal/Progressives will always try to go around the Law as written if they can't get the laws they want.


I just can’t think of an American President who is trying to go around the law as written, can you?


Or the expressed will of congress...

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Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:07 pm

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More than 40,000 escaped East Germany, across a border which consisted of walls, fences, minefields and constant patrols by armed guards with orders to shoot on sight.

Tell me again how a wall, without any of the other things mentioned above, will work?

Why don’t you tell us? How many people did the wall stop? I dare say millions? You’ve only given half of the pertinent data.

I hate how this has become about politics. As much as I’d like to see an open border, if we aren’t going to have one I freely admit that physical barriers make sense in certain places. Not all, but some.

People seem to lose their common sense over this issue.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:16 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
"What will the Democrats do when/if they get in power again?????"

Much ado about nothing.

What's to do, is, to keep a Vigilant Watch for how the Liberal/Progressives will always try to go around the Law as written if they can't get the laws they want.

Because the important thing here is not the event that has actually taken place (thanks to Trump), but the mere possibility that the "enemy" might replicate it if they should ever get into power again. :roll:

It just such a pity that the person who threw the first punch didn't consider that awkward possibility.

What was he thinking?

Or was every available brain cell (i.e. both of them) already on vacation at Mar-a-Lago? :rotfl:
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:40 pm

Pi7472000 wrote:
So gross!! We need to move toward a borderless world!! The next step for humans is to move beyond flags, borders and walls. It is gross to see the U.S. not take a leadership role in moving toward a one world government!


The US has only one interest and that is their own. They have done it after WW2 and they think they OWN this planet. They must build a wall all around the US. Not to keep out the immigrants but to keep in the US population. If you voted for a President like DT, you must be locked up.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:24 pm

The number of Mexicans crossing illegally at the border is at the lowest number in years, the numbers, statistics, facts, whatever you want to call it show it in black & white. Yet Trump supporters are willing to swallow anything Trump spews out of any orifice.

Trump just called a state of emergency over an illegal immigration crisis which does not exist.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... om-mexico/
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:51 pm

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casinterest wrote:
LittleSprocket wrote:

What do you call hundreds of thousands of people storming your border each year? By the very definition that is an invasion and having the military there to backup our civil law enforcement should be a non-issue...seeing as we protect the borders of many nations overseas.


Storming our border?
Really?
I have seen some lies ,but that about tops it all.

Next thing you are going to tell me is that tourists going to Cancun are freedom fighters right?


What would you call capturing 50-60,000 people a month on the southern border exactly?

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


If it really is a state of emergency and the problem is really that bad just deploy the army and shoot them as they try to cross?
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:07 pm

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I really like the idea of the Chapos asset forfeiture funds paying for the wall and associated border security. Perfect.


Same here. Maybe pay for a few new detox centers as well.
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:11 pm

Pi7472000 wrote:
So gross!! We need to move toward a borderless world!! The next step for humans is to move beyond flags, borders and walls. It is gross to see the U.S. not take a leadership role in moving toward a one world government!


Your prof tell you that?

marcelh wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
So gross!! We need to move toward a borderless world!! The next step for humans is to move beyond flags, borders and walls. It is gross to see the U.S. not take a leadership role in moving toward a one world government!


The US has only one interest and that is their own. They have done it after WW2 and they think they OWN this planet. They must build a wall all around the US. Not to keep out the immigrants but to keep in the US population. If you voted for a President like DT, you must be locked up.


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Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:45 pm

The Republican Party is a national emergency. Looking forward to the next Democratic administration declaring them just that.


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Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:25 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
LittleSprocket wrote:
casinterest wrote:

Storming our border?
Really?
I have seen some lies ,but that about tops it all.

Next thing you are going to tell me is that tourists going to Cancun are freedom fighters right?


What would you call capturing 50-60,000 people a month on the southern border exactly?

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


If it really is a state of emergency and the problem is really that bad just deploy the army and shoot them as they try to cross?


Trump should be down there defending us with his tiny golf balls. Why is he foresaking the nation at this time to rest in Mar-A Lago. This is a National emergency after all. Where is his leadership?
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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:42 pm

So.... In 2021, President Biden is going to declare climate change a national emergency.... thanks to Trumpadumpling pulling this wall shit.
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:48 pm

Pi7472000 wrote:
So gross!! We need to move toward a borderless world!! The next step for humans is to move beyond flags, borders and walls. It is gross to see the U.S. not take a leadership role in moving toward a one world government!


Have you been watching what was going on at the EU over the past few years? This is as close to the borderless world as it gets. Millions of migrants no one knows even a thing about. Crimes. Terrorism. Social system abuse on massive scale, obviously. Even Eastern European states aren’t any better - Western Europe simply vacuuming out all workforce from there.

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Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:49 pm

jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
The guy who you guys called a socialist/marxist/lawless tyrant for 8 years?


Is it Trump that’s a “socialist” now?
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:50 pm

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So.... In 2021, President Biden is going to declare climate change a national emergency.... thanks to Trumpadumpling pulling this wall shit.


President Biden. Don’t you find this silly? He’ll be about 80 by the time he gets to the office. Are you gonna turn White House residential quarters into a care home or a hospital ward?
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:05 am

Isn't he less than 4 years younger than Trump? Let me guess, you love Reagan, too.

Nothing wrong with it, but i think pledging one term and picking a great younger VP would be perfect.
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:11 am

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More than 40,000 escaped East Germany, across a border which consisted of walls, fences, minefields and constant patrols by armed guards with orders to shoot on sight.

Tell me again how a wall, without any of the other things mentioned above, will work?


40,000 over 28 years. The amount of illegal crossings of the US southern border is orders of magnitude higher. Do you still want to continue with that argument? The idea that a wall doesn't work is just so grossly stupid that I have to wonder how you people can get through everyday life with such a massive headache.
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:19 am

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The idea that a wall doesn't work is just so grossly stupid that I have to wonder how you people can get through everyday life with such a massive headache.



Sure you could build some impenetrable wall for hundreds of billions..and even that would not be enough to handle the modern technological challenges of drones etc.

But be honest with us. You know what's on the table is a shit fence.
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:32 am

EstherLouise wrote:
So.... In 2021, President Biden is going to declare climate change a national emergency.... thanks to Trumpadumpling pulling this wall shit.


So no air travel?


anrec80 wrote:

President Biden. Don’t you find this silly? He’ll be about 80 by the time he gets to the office. Are you gonna turn White House residential quarters into a care home or a hospital ward?


Age aside he is the only prayer the Democrats have of winning in 2020 they have no backup with who has declared already.

jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Isn't he less than 4 years younger than Trump? Let me guess, you love Reagan, too.

Nothing wrong with it, but i think pledging one term and picking a great younger VP would be perfect.


Unfortunately Biden would probably have to pick a moderate woman to beat Trump and that is only Klobuchar.
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:38 am

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Informal poll: Does anyone here approve of this course of action by Trump? So far, everyone that has commented here has called this a bad idea except those that have avoided giving an opinion. Do any Trump supporters or non-Trump supporting conservatives like this move?


I absolutely support the wall. I would have preferred that it be built going through the normal process and not an emergency declaration but if that was the only way to do it then so be it. Congress denied the funding purely due to politics not because it wasn't necessary. Before you criticize Trump's moves, take a look at Obama's emergency declarations. The vast majority were for interventions in foreign civil wars that had no impact on the security of American citizens. The wall however directly impacts the security of American citizens and is much more in line with the original intent of the process.

The political process in the US is out of control, to the detriment of all American citizens. The voice of reason is being lost in the cacophony of political theatrics.

I LOVE the idea of using El Chapo's assets for this project. No hit to the US budget and yet another way that Mexico indirectly pays for the wall.
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:00 am

I just hope we can ask for payment from all those that want this wall, when we find out it doesn't do jack shit. It will be money for maintenance, money for guards, money for filling in tunnels. All while big business claims ignorance while pressuring HR to hire the cheapest available labor with no questions asked.
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:02 am

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Why don’t you tell us? How many people did the wall stop? I dare say millions? You’ve only given half of the pertinent data.


aviationaware wrote:
40,000 over 28 years. The amount of illegal crossings of the US southern border is orders of magnitude higher. Do you still want to continue with that argument? The idea that a wall doesn't work is just so grossly stupid that I have to wonder how you people can get through everyday life with such a massive headache.


Its amazing how people miss the point on this forum...

40,000 successful escapes over 28 years, yes. It is a low number.

The true number of escape attempts is unknown. Failures generally weren't publicised by the East German authorities. The only thing really known about failures is that they are significantly more than the successes.

Never the less, the point being missed here is that these are people who were willing to risk *everything*, and I mean everything, to get across that border.

These are people who accepted that failure meant death or torture. Not deportation, not just imprisonment, but death or torture.

And still they tried.

The border did not stop them trying. Them and many many more who failed. And it has to be said again - failure typically meant death or torture.

So thats your "pertinent data", Magog - which also undermines the "walls work" rhetoric as well, rather than supporting the building of a wall.... The fact that people still tried, while risking everything, supports my point, not yours. And Aviationaware, it indeed doesn't support your point either.

So, Trump wall supporters, please do enlighten us - just how do you think that an unmanned wall will fair any better than the Berlin Wall? The risk is infinitely smaller - get caught, you are imprisoned and sent back to your home country. No death by border guards, no shooting on sight, no minefields to risk, no automated machine guns on the border, no search lights covering every inch - arrest and deportation. The reward is just as high - a much better life for you and your family.

Not to mention that Trump is pushing this wall as a means to prevent the highly motivated crossers - the terrorists and the drug mules and the gang members intent on doing nothing but hurting the Republican American on the street. The Berlin Wall didnt stop highly motivated people, so what chance does Trumps wall stand?

So yes, the idea that a wall works is just pure stupidity, and the idea that its going to have any significant effect is rubbish.
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:35 am

Another significant Trump defeat: "A federal appeals court said on Friday the Trump administration cannot cut off grants to Philadelphia for its refusal to cooperate with immigration authorities seeking to deport immigrants who are in the country illegally." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... Q42BS?il=0

Although I don't have any emotional lean toward this decision, this is just another example of how a democratic government overcomes a bombastic dictatorship
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:04 am

NIKV69 wrote:
anrec80 wrote:

President Biden. Don’t you find this silly? He’ll be about 80 by the time he gets to the office. Are you gonna turn White House residential quarters into a care home or a hospital ward?


Age aside he is the only prayer the Democrats have of winning in 2020 they have no backup with who has declared already.


Well, this is exactly why Democrats screwed up in 2016 so badly. Same gangs - Clintons, Kerry, Biden, Bernie Sanders - pretty much occupied the whole party and did not invest any effort in growing new generation of leaders, who would come after them. And now, at the age of 80, all the same folks compete again.
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:13 am

I can't post it (or maybe I can)...but the photo in this link is fitting for this thread...

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/kellya ... emergency/

...the pic of our corpulent, inept leader dining at the omelete bar at the golf course while declaring a National Emergency.....

A tweet from the article ...
"Aside from the optics of all this (at a time of national emergency) can we talk about how gross this place looks? Supposed to be super luxury, but that omelette station looks like a hostess trolley stacked with catering bottles of ketchup & giant plastic trash bin in the corner."

I looked again...and the comment is right on, with that very well worn omelete pan and the cheap plastic trash container....geez, makes one wonder if Mar-A-Lago doesn't come remotely close to the imagine portrayed and billed...

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Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:25 am

moo wrote:
Magog wrote:
Why don’t you tell us? How many people did the wall stop? I dare say millions? You’ve only given half of the pertinent data.


aviationaware wrote:
40,000 over 28 years. The amount of illegal crossings of the US southern border is orders of magnitude higher. Do you still want to continue with that argument? The idea that a wall doesn't work is just so grossly stupid that I have to wonder how you people can get through everyday life with such a massive headache.


Its amazing how people miss the point on this forum...

40,000 successful escapes over 28 years, yes. It is a low number.

The true number of escape attempts is unknown. Failures generally weren't publicised by the East German authorities. The only thing really known about failures is that they are significantly more than the successes.

Never the less, the point being missed here is that these are people who were willing to risk *everything*, and I mean everything, to get across that border.

These are people who accepted that failure meant death or torture. Not deportation, not just imprisonment, but death or torture.

And still they tried.

The border did not stop them trying. Them and many many more who failed. And it has to be said again - failure typically meant death or torture.

So thats your "pertinent data", Magog - which also undermines the "walls work" rhetoric as well, rather than supporting the building of a wall.... The fact that people still tried, while risking everything, supports my point, not yours. And Aviationaware, it indeed doesn't support your point either.

So, Trump wall supporters, please do enlighten us - just how do you think that an unmanned wall will fair any better than the Berlin Wall? The risk is infinitely smaller - get caught, you are imprisoned and sent back to your home country. No death by border guards, no shooting on sight, no minefields to risk, no automated machine guns on the border, no search lights covering every inch - arrest and deportation. The reward is just as high - a much better life for you and your family.

Not to mention that Trump is pushing this wall as a means to prevent the highly motivated crossers - the terrorists and the drug mules and the gang members intent on doing nothing but hurting the Republican American on the street. The Berlin Wall didnt stop highly motivated people, so what chance does Trumps wall stand?

So yes, the idea that a wall works is just pure stupidity, and the idea that its going to have any significant effect is rubbish.

Your diatribe may have felt good, but if the wall stopped people from crossing, the wall worked. It’s very simple. The debate is degree of effectiveness, but not effectiveness itself.
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:10 am

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President Biden. Don’t you find this silly? He’ll be about 80 by the time he gets to the office. Are you gonna turn White House residential quarters into a care home or a hospital ward?


Trump has already done that. Biden would be a healthier - mentally, and physically - improvement.
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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:00 am

BN747 wrote:

I looked again...and the comment is right on, with that very well worn omelete pan and the cheap plastic trash container....geez, makes one wonder if Mar-A-Lago doesn't come remotely close to the imagine portrayed and billed...

BN747


Never been to Mar-A-Lago but have stayed at his property in Vegas numerous times and it's total 5 strar from everything right down to the last detail. Staff too. You may not like him as a president but as someone in hospitality he has the just about the whole strip beat and I have been in every property.
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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:59 am

NIKV69 wrote:
BN747 wrote:

I looked again...and the comment is right on, with that very well worn omelete pan and the cheap plastic trash container....geez, makes one wonder if Mar-A-Lago doesn't come remotely close to the imagine portrayed and billed...

BN747


Never been to Mar-A-Lago but have stayed at his property in Vegas numerous times and it's total 5 strar from everything right down to the last detail. Staff too. You may not like him as a president but as someone in hospitality he has the just about the whole strip beat and I have been in every property.


Every property in Vegas? Got a gambling problem?

I doubt I'm alone on this but I sincerely doubt you've stayed in enough real five star properties to know how things operate at that level. Hit a few Rosewoods, Peninsulas and Dorchester Collection properties then go back and try the Chump Vegas.
 
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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:17 am

It is amazing just how many of you keep falling for the long con. Trump (a life long Democrat) was offered $25 billion for the wall over a year ago during bipartisan talks, but he *walked away from the deal*. Then he was offered $7.5B, $5B, $2.5B, and walked away from those too. Magically, right when the GOP lost control of the House, he shuts down the gov't. Then he got $0 billion, and then declares the nat'l emergency. Why? Because he DOESN'T CARE about the wall being built. He just wants to RUN ON IT.

The wall is never going to be built.

Quit being a sucker. He is a con artist, and you are all being conned.
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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:31 pm

Lilienthal wrote:
moo wrote:

Tell me again how a wall, without any of the other things mentioned above, will work?


The actual wall doesn't make much sense and even Trump knows that. It's just a symbol for his base.


Can't you create the wall out of revolving doors ?

... enter from Mexico, exit to Mexico....
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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:08 pm

“I didn’t need to do this.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... emergency/

“If it’s truly an emergency, how can you say you didn’t need to declare an emergency? Trump basically admitted that this was a choice for him — a matter of expediency, quite literally — and not something required by events on the ground.”

SPOILER ALERT: it’s not, and it ain’t gonna happen kiddos. But then he never did give a rat’s ass did he?

Sure does give the meatheads a reason to beat their heads against the rocks in celebration tho’.
 
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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:03 pm

bagoldex wrote:
Every property in Vegas? Got a gambling problem?

I doubt I'm alone on this but I sincerely doubt you've stayed in enough real five star properties to know how things operate at that level. Hit a few Rosewoods, Peninsulas and Dorchester Collection properties then go back and try the Chump Vegas.


I bought my home out here and play poker and usually are only in the Venetian, Wynn or Orleans but I like to see the other properties. As for having a gambling problem I doubt it from last check of my bankroll. :champagne:

I was inside the Beverly Hills property (not in a room), and the Carlyle in NY they were real nice but heads above anything else.
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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:27 pm

aviationaware wrote:
40,000 over 28 years. The amount of illegal crossings of the US southern border is orders of magnitude higher.


For a little perspective, they arrest 400,000 every year (used to be over a million) trying to cross the Mexican border and don't really know how many they don't catch.
 
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Re: Trump declares national emergency for the wall

Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:27 pm

casinterest wrote:
I just hope we can ask for payment from all those that want this wall, when we find out it doesn't do jack shit. It will be money for maintenance, money for guards, money for filling in tunnels. All while big business claims ignorance while pressuring HR to hire the cheapest available labor with no questions asked.

Yep, the real effective way to deal with illegal immigration (both border crossers and overstays) is to crack down on the employers of illegal immigrants. Neither sides want to do anything to upset their monied supporters so instead we get political theater.

KICT wrote:
It is amazing just how many of you keep falling for the long con. Trump (a life long Democrat) was offered $25 billion for the wall over a year ago during bipartisan talks, but he *walked away from the deal*. Then he was offered $7.5B, $5B, $2.5B, and walked away from those too. Magically, right when the GOP lost control of the House, he shuts down the gov't. Then he got $0 billion, and then declares the nat'l emergency. Why? Because he DOESN'T CARE about the wall being built. He just wants to RUN ON IT.

The wall is never going to be built.

Quit being a sucker. He is a con artist, and you are all being conned.

:checkmark:

This is all political theater. Sad to see how many people get so engaged by such nonsense. As PT Barnum said, there's a sucker born every minute...
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