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Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:14 am

Two mosques were hit during Friday prayers. Many casualties reported.

Shooters were reported to be white supremacists, and had streamed the massacre live on Facebook.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... ident-live
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:39 am

Very sad news. This looks similar to July 22nd 2011 in Norway.
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Re: Christchurch Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:45 am

Sad news.
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Re: Christchurch Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:45 am

Arrested individual is a blonde Australian apparently. There may be other perpetrators. FB apparently took down the guman's video and denied him the sought after propaganda coup. Very sorry for my Kiwi friends and colleagues today.
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:12 am

27 people dead. The terrorist livestreamed the attack. I feel sick.
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Re: Christchurch Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:14 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Arrested individual is a blonde Australian apparently. There may be other perpetrators. FB apparently took down the guman's video and denied him the sought after propaganda coup. Very sorry for my Kiwi friends and colleagues today.


The video is still out there. One of the worst things I have ever seen.
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:30 am

So sorry to hear about this :-(
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:38 am

Why are people so broken?

Also, are reports accurate that an automatic weapon was used?
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:42 am

Absolutely horrendous. Condolences to the victims and the country for such an unthinkable crime.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:45 am

Jouhou wrote:
Why are people so broken?

Also, are reports accurate that an automatic weapon was used?


It will be hours and maybe days before we have reliable info on that.

BBC is saying this unfolded at two mosques.

Cannot believe nice New Zealish people are being put through this...
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:47 am

Just woke up tothis, not something I ever thought would happen in NZ. The only silver lining is the scumbag who did this isn’t one of us, he’s Australian.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:50 am

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It will be hours and maybe days before we have reliable info on that.



Really??

This was live-streamed.

There is literally nothing left to the imagination or investigation.
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:56 am

jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Airstud wrote:
It will be hours and maybe days before we have reliable info on that.



Really??

This was live-streamed.

There is literally nothing left to the imagination or investigation.


I thought Facebook had taken the video down...
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:00 am

Airstud wrote:
jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Airstud wrote:
It will be hours and maybe days before we have reliable info on that.



Really??

This was live-streamed.

There is literally nothing left to the imagination or investigation.


I thought Facebook had taken the video down...


They have, so has YouTube and liveleak.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:09 am

Nothing ever goes away. You can't spend 2 seconds on twitter right now without running into it. Anyway there are plenty of pictures of the weapon if you're interested.
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:11 am

Kiwirob wrote:
Airstud wrote:
jpetekyxmd80 wrote:


Really??

This was live-streamed.

There is literally nothing left to the imagination or investigation.


I thought Facebook had taken the video down...


They have, so has YouTube and liveleak.


It's probably hosted somewhere in the darkest corners of the web for creeps on neo nazi social media platforms to beat off too. I remember seeing screencaps of that site the pittsburgh synagogue shooter went to. There are a really large number of warped people out there.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:31 am

Just sickening. Absolutely sickening.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:35 am

Atleast 40 dead is reported now. ... :-( Just tragic that this sort of thing has spread to New Zealand.

Do we know how old the perpetrators are ?
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:38 am

The PM sure knows how to handle a press conference under horrendous circumstances.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:45 am

1836Sam wrote:
The PM sure knows how to handle a press conference under horrendous circumstances.


Agree!!! I wished we had a leader in Australia of the same calibre as NZ's PM
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:46 am

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The PM sure knows how to handle a press conference under horrendous circumstances.


I was expecting her to be a blubbering mess, she’s a highly emotional woman, I’m happily surprised.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:52 am

Barny123 wrote:
1836Sam wrote:
The PM sure knows how to handle a press conference under horrendous circumstances.


Agree!!! I wished we had a leader in Australia of the same calibre as NZ's PM


A total class act. (1) She held a press conference and put herself in front of the media ... I can imagine how important that was for the nation; (2) She answered plenty of questions that demonstrated that she had as good of an understanding as one could at this situation and very clearly did not give any credence to any early reporting that she wasn’t fully confident were actual facts; (3) she paid complete respect to the victims and to their community; and (4) she transmitted the message to her fellow citizens to lend a helping hand and support others they may not otherwise instinctively view as fellow New Zealanders. And all of it came across as totally genuine because I have zero doubt it was.

I won’t even begin to compare her with our Head of State.
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:55 am

Kiwirob wrote:
1836Sam wrote:
The PM sure knows how to handle a press conference under horrendous circumstances.


I was expecting her to be a blubbering mess, she’s a highly emotional woman, I’m happily surprised.


Well I have it on good authority (the Tuck) that they’re highly primitive beings so always nice to know they can surprise you every now and then :sarcastic:
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:57 am

Mortyman wrote:
Atleast 40 dead is reported now. ... :-( Just tragic that this sort of thing has spread to New Zealand.

Do we know how old the perpetrators are ?


The guy who shot his own video... So I went on twitter, which currently is more informative about the news about this right now..

We know his name but people are trying to limit his immortalization through infamy...

White male, in his 20s, posted on 8Chan about what he was going to do. This isn't an Australia or New Zealand problem. This is... The entire English speaking western world, Scandinavians speaking English as a second language included as well... and we don't have a solution to it yet. But freak shows like this in every western country is connecting with each other and encouraging each other's horrible mentalities. Something needs to be done.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:02 am

Ironically, rather than advancing the case of white supremacy what those terrorists had done is to elevate the victims to become martyrs, as they died while answering God's call through Friday prayers.
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:10 am

Kiwirob wrote:
Just woke up tothis, not something I ever thought would happen in NZ. The only silver lining is the scumbag who did this isn’t one of us, he’s Australian.



Kiwirob, does it really matter where he came from. Isn't it more important where his ideology came from? Each of us needs to look in the mirror and ask ourselves are we perpetuating hate in our speech, actions etc.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:11 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Ironically, rather than advancing the case of white supremacy what those terrorists had done is to elevate the victims to become martyrs, as they died while answering God's call through Friday prayers.


Erm ... not sure that translates very well.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:12 am

I don't understand how it is a terror attack in New Zealand but a lone wolf attack by a person with mental issues and we should just not talk about it in the United States.
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:18 am

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I don't understand how it is a terror attack in New Zealand but a lone wolf attack by a person with mental issues and we should just not talk about it in the United States.


Because our lone wolves as of late aren't really "lone" anymore. There's usually evidence of them being involved in online communities of others who pledge to do the same. Our FBI monitors them, but more should be done to disrupt them. And we should stop calling them lone if they have co conspirators on the internet. Those who give them suggestions for carrying out these plans and encourage them to do it should be prosecuted too.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:19 am

1836Sam wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Ironically, rather than advancing the case of white supremacy what those terrorists had done is to elevate the victims to become martyrs, as they died while answering God's call through Friday prayers.


Erm ... not sure that translates very well.


Well, in Islam, those who died while upholding their religion is considered to be martyrs. And that includes those who are killed while in the midst of Friday prayers.
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:20 am

seb146 wrote:
I don't understand how it is a terror attack in New Zealand but a lone wolf attack by a person with mental issues and we should just not talk about it in the United States.


In Australia (it was the Australian PM who was first to call it a terror attack) we have a habit of calling a spade a spade.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:22 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
1836Sam wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Ironically, rather than advancing the case of white supremacy what those terrorists had done is to elevate the victims to become martyrs, as they died while answering God's call through Friday prayers.


Erm ... not sure that translates very well.


Well, in Islam, those who died while upholding their religion is considered to be martyrs. And that includes those who are killed while in the midst of Friday prayers.


Well ... sure. But the English connotation of the English word “martyrs” isn’t exactly positive. I’m sure it’s not the same in Arabic (or other languages). Hence it doesn’t translate well.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:24 am

1836Sam wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
1836Sam wrote:

Erm ... not sure that translates very well.


Well, in Islam, those who died while upholding their religion is considered to be martyrs. And that includes those who are killed while in the midst of Friday prayers.


Well ... sure. But the English connotation of the English word “martyrs” isn’t exactly positive. I’m sure it’s not the same in Arabic. Hence it doesn’t translate well.


I suppose so, as the term had been hijacked by Islamic fundamentalists like Al-Qaeda & ISIS which makes me sick.
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:26 am

1836Sam wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
1836Sam wrote:

Erm ... not sure that translates very well.


Well, in Islam, those who died while upholding their religion is considered to be martyrs. And that includes those who are killed while in the midst of Friday prayers.


Well ... sure. But the English connotation of the English word “martyrs” isn’t exactly positive. I’m sure it’s not the same in Arabic (or other languages). Hence it doesn’t translate well.


Martyrdom isn't a concept exclusive to Islam. And the word is misused with terrorists.


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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:26 am

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white supremacists,


What about Islamic Supremacy? Could this incident be in retaliation for it?
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:28 am

seb146 wrote:
I don't understand how it is a terror attack in New Zealand but a lone wolf attack by a person with mental issues and we should just not talk about it in the United States.


Not lone wolf, there have been three people arrested, and police are actively hunting more - there were multiple attackers, with multiple vehicles and multiple IEDs.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:29 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
1836Sam wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:

Well, in Islam, those who died while upholding their religion is considered to be martyrs. And that includes those who are killed while in the midst of Friday prayers.


Well ... sure. But the English connotation of the English word “martyrs” isn’t exactly positive. I’m sure it’s not the same in Arabic. Hence it doesn’t translate well.


I suppose so, as the term had been hijacked by Islamic fundamentalists like Al-Qaeda & ISIS which makes me sick.


I’m not sure in my lifetime (which preceded Al-Qaeda and ISIS) it ever had a positive connotation. And, again, that was before any association with Islam. “Martyr” is generally used as an insult.

But yes it definitely has grown a whole other dimension, first and foremost being something to avenge, often while taking one’s own life, which is just what the shooters today ridiculously felt like they were doing.
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:30 am

PayaLebar wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
white supremacists,


What about Islamic Supremacy? Could this incident be in retaliation for it?



Sure it could be, but doesn't Christianity teach to turn the other cheek?

If we as a global humanity seek retaliation for every wrong where will it ever stop!!!
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:30 am

PayaLebar wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
white supremacists,


What about Islamic Supremacy? Could this incident be in retaliation for it?


I don't see Islamic supremacy gaining a foothold in New Zealand. Do you?
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:38 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
PayaLebar wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
white supremacists,


What about Islamic Supremacy? Could this incident be in retaliation for it?


I don't see Islamic supremacy gaining a foothold in New Zealand. Do you?


Up until last week, I worked in Auckland, and our office had about 60 developers in it - white males number about 4. The rest, a mixture of men and women, are from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Phillipines, Lebanon, Africa and other places - the majority are Muslim.

And the atmosphere is amazing - these are some of the best people I have ever known and willingly call many of them my friends.

NZ is a fantastically diverse place - if it isn't immigrants from all of the above places, it's the Maori, who are fantastic. NZ settled its differences with the natives over a hundred years ago, and there are few racial tensions here.

I'm British, but I love living in NZ.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:38 am

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If we as a global humanity seek retaliation for every wrong where will it ever stop!!!


As an ex-Muslim who is fluent in Arabic, I do not propose such a thing. It is best that you educate yourself of the existence of a Declaration of War that Allah made against the Non-Muslims more than 1,400 years ago.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:40 am

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I don't see Islamic supremacy gaining a foothold in New Zealand. Do you?


Depends on how desperate the NZ Government is to increase Muslim immigration into their country.
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:40 am

PayaLebar wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Well, in Islam, those who died while upholding their religion is considered to be martyrs. And that includes those who are killed while in the midst of Friday prayers.


Correct. They have a straight path to heaven and waiting at the gates there will be 72 'full breasted' virgins for each straight guy. For the gays, there will be young boys as 'smooth as pearls' to serve them wine.


Not the time and the place to espouse your extremist beliefs. You may have fallen out of Islam because your faith is not strong enough, but that doesn't mean you hold the truth.
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:41 am

PayaLebar wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
white supremacists,


What about Islamic Supremacy? Could this incident be in retaliation for it?



I'm not a fan of Abrahamic religions but I will always respect the rights of others to peacefully practice them, and not be murdered for it. The insinuation that those murdered deserved it because of "Islamic supremacy" is absolutely disgusting.
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:44 am

PayaLebar wrote:
Barny123 wrote:
If we as a global humanity seek retaliation for every wrong where will it ever stop!!!


As an ex-Muslim who is fluent in Arabic, I do not propose such a thing. It is best that you educate yourself of the existence of a Declaration of War that Allah made against the Non-Muslims more than 1,400 years ago.


I haven't studied Islam but I'm fully aware of the accusation. Have you read the horrors in the bible? Christianity is no better, so I come back to, are we going to do a tit for tat retaliation? Where will it end? Are you asking for all Muslims to be exterminated?
 
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Re: Christchurch (New Zealand) Mosque Shooting

Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:10 am

Really sickening to hear of this.

Thoughts and prayers with the victims, the survivors and the people of New Zealand.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:17 am

bbc says 49 dead now
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:17 am

The number is unfortunetly increasing ... 49 now R.I.P.
 
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I can't even comprehend. In shock.
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