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Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:58 am

Hey fellow car people, the hypercar wars have been heating up lately, what with the unveiling of the Koenigsegg Jesko, Hennessey, the new Pininfarina, the Rimac C2, and ofc Bugatti, and so what do you think of the vehicles involved, the companies, what's going to happen, all that jazz, you can discuss it here. Me, I would take a Chiron out of all of these if I had that kind of money, but I don't, and it is going to be quite interesting to see what happens. Meanwhile, Aston Martin and McLaren are killing it, and so much more. What do you guys think?
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:43 am

I fell in love with the Bugatti EB110 back in the late 90's (if you look it up, ignore the blue ones... focus on the black and silver ones... gorgeous - if in a blocky, late 90's kind of way). I've been a fan ever since - Veyron, Chiron, Divo. I like'em all.
 
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:38 am

NoTime wrote:
I fell in love with the Bugatti EB110 back in the late 90's (if you look it up, ignore the blue ones... focus on the black and silver ones... gorgeous - if in a blocky, late 90's kind of way). I've been a fan ever since - Veyron, Chiron, Divo. I like'em all.


Interestingly the EB110 isn't really fast compared with run of the mill powerful cars...
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/grand-tour-eboladrome

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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:15 pm

At the time, it was the fastest and most powerful of them all though until the McLaren F1 came out, over 220mph, which was crazy in the late 80s/early 90s. The Veyron though, is the real star of the Bugatti show, because it completely rewrote the rulebook for what you were allowed to do with a road car. Without it, we wouldn't have the Koenigseggs that we have now, no Bugatti, we might still be trying to achieve 250mph, and instead, we're gunning for 300!
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:05 pm

What do you guys think of the McLaren Speedtail? Can it live up to the legacy of the F1? Any other thoughts?
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:22 pm

triple3driver wrote:
What do you guys think of the McLaren Speedtail? Can it live up to the legacy of the F1? Any other thoughts?


Too hard to tell at the moment.

Aston Martin is making everyone else look stupid. Their new mid engine cars look far more advanced than everyone else’s.

Yes I want a Valkyrie. I’m also athletic enough to jump in and out of it quickly. The Vanquish concept also looks stunning.
 
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:44 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
NoTime wrote:
I fell in love with the Bugatti EB110 back in the late 90's (if you look it up, ignore the blue ones... focus on the black and silver ones... gorgeous - if in a blocky, late 90's kind of way). I've been a fan ever since - Veyron, Chiron, Divo. I like'em all.


Interestingly the EB110 isn't really fast compared with run of the mill powerful cars...
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/grand-tour-eboladrome

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When it was launched it was the fastest car in the world. Technology advances and vehicles are eclipsed. It also ran the track in the wet, I bet it was also running relatively standard tyres not the super sticky road legal track tyres most of the modern cars are running higher up the list.
 
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:47 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
NoTime wrote:
I fell in love with the Bugatti EB110 back in the late 90's (if you look it up, ignore the blue ones... focus on the black and silver ones... gorgeous - if in a blocky, late 90's kind of way). I've been a fan ever since - Veyron, Chiron, Divo. I like'em all.


Interestingly the EB110 isn't really fast compared with run of the mill powerful cars...
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/grand-tour-eboladrome

Best regards
Thomas


When it was launched it was the fastest car in the world. Technology advances and vehicles are eclipsed. It also ran the track in the wet, I bet it was also running relatively standard tyres not the super sticky road legal track tyres most of the modern cars are running higher up the list.



It would have likely had Michelin Pilot Sport MXX3 tyres. Best tyres of the time, but nothing like those of today.

It was also a very simple car to drive, especially in poor weather conditions. Very agile too because it was so compact. Short wheelbase, small engine with integral gearbox. Very advanced for the time.
 
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:23 pm

cpd wrote:
triple3driver wrote:
What do you guys think of the McLaren Speedtail? Can it live up to the legacy of the F1? Any other thoughts?


Too hard to tell at the moment.

Aston Martin is making everyone else look stupid. Their new mid engine cars look far more advanced than everyone else’s.

Yes I want a Valkyrie. I’m also athletic enough to jump in and out of it quickly. The Vanquish concept also looks stunning.


They're making everyone, even McLaren, look outdated before they hit the roads, with a stunning combination of beauty and the future, and all from Valkyrie!
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:20 am

triple3driver wrote:
cpd wrote:
triple3driver wrote:
What do you guys think of the McLaren Speedtail? Can it live up to the legacy of the F1? Any other thoughts?


Too hard to tell at the moment.

Aston Martin is making everyone else look stupid. Their new mid engine cars look far more advanced than everyone else’s.

Yes I want a Valkyrie. I’m also athletic enough to jump in and out of it quickly. The Vanquish concept also looks stunning.


They're making everyone, even McLaren, look outdated before they hit the roads, with a stunning combination of beauty and the future, and all from Valkyrie!



You are right and that's my thoughts too. McLaren is pretty advanced themselves (especially compared with Ferrari and Lamborghini) but these new Aston Martin cars make even McLaren look old hat.
 
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:06 am

cpd wrote:
triple3driver wrote:
cpd wrote:

Too hard to tell at the moment.

Aston Martin is making everyone else look stupid. Their new mid engine cars look far more advanced than everyone else’s.

Yes I want a Valkyrie. I’m also athletic enough to jump in and out of it quickly. The Vanquish concept also looks stunning.


They're making everyone, even McLaren, look outdated before they hit the roads, with a stunning combination of beauty and the future, and all from Valkyrie!



You are right and that's my thoughts too. McLaren is pretty advanced themselves (especially compared with Ferrari and Lamborghini) but these new Aston Martin cars make even McLaren look old hat.


The new Aston Vanquish will still have a bonded aluminium chassis, whereas all the McLaren use a carbon tub.
 
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:02 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
cpd wrote:
triple3driver wrote:

They're making everyone, even McLaren, look outdated before they hit the roads, with a stunning combination of beauty and the future, and all from Valkyrie!



You are right and that's my thoughts too. McLaren is pretty advanced themselves (especially compared with Ferrari and Lamborghini) but these new Aston Martin cars make even McLaren look old hat.


The new Aston Vanquish will still have a bonded aluminium chassis, whereas all the McLaren use a carbon tub.


They do, but I think the Aston Martin will be quicker. And the Aston will probably be faster in ways that McLaren won't easily be able to address unless they design a completely new car. Carbon tub won't save it. Given that Aston also has the guy who developed most of these current McLaren cars, I'd say they've got a good position.

If this were Lotus, we'd all laugh and roll our eyes because it will never happen, but with Aston Martin you know they'll do it.

McLaren is still great and I like them a lot.
 
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:10 pm

NoTime wrote:
I fell in love with the Bugatti EB110 back in the late 90's (if you look it up, ignore the blue ones... focus on the black and silver ones... gorgeous - if in a blocky, late 90's kind of way). I've been a fan ever since - Veyron, Chiron, Divo. I like'em all.


Absolutely a fine choice, sir. Outlandish for the time, very nice with its doors and the looks are superb. I do like the blue ones though. It suits the car, although in black they are more refined.
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:18 pm

I'm not a fan of VW "VR" engines and all of their derivatives, but I must say the Bugatti Chiron seems like a fine car.

I used to think that these "hyper" cars (which were very expensive, but not crazy expensive like now), were for people with means obviously, but it was somewhat possible to dream about them. Now I know they're almost impossible to use, unreliable, and any maintenance costs ungodly amounts of money and time.

If I had enough money for them, I would directly look at buying a Formula 1, and track time on a F1 circuit. Then drive a vanilla Lamborghini/Ferrari/Porsche when on the road.
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:21 pm

This site has really deteriorated. First it was fanboys (me included!), then it was Russian bots destroying any semblance of rational discoursed and now it's threads about supercars with no pictures. I'm not sure I see the point any longer. I'm not adding a picture either but I have two great reasons - first, I don't know how and second, my favorite supercar is and will always be the 911, a car which needs no picture.
 
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:47 pm

cpd wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
cpd wrote:


You are right and that's my thoughts too. McLaren is pretty advanced themselves (especially compared with Ferrari and Lamborghini) but these new Aston Martin cars make even McLaren look old hat.


The new Aston Vanquish will still have a bonded aluminium chassis, whereas all the McLaren use a carbon tub.


They do, but I think the Aston Martin will be quicker. And the Aston will probably be faster in ways that McLaren won't easily be able to address unless they design a completely new car. Carbon tub won't save it. Given that Aston also has the guy who developed most of these current McLaren cars, I'd say they've got a good position.

If this were Lotus, we'd all laugh and roll our eyes because it will never happen, but with Aston Martin you know they'll do it.

McLaren is still great and I like them a lot.


I don't think so, a carbon tub will always be stronger, stiffer and lighter than a bonded aluminium chassis, McLaren will also have a new engine by 2022, the 720s in it's current version is already the fastest car in its class by a good margin, and remember this is the base version, they haven't released the LT and it will be updated, it's a near new car.

Aston might have the guy who developed the McLarens but McLaren is McLaren and they aren't going to roll over.

Lotus has a new car coming to market in 2020, this will be the spiritual successor to the Esprit. Lotus are the one to watch now that they are part of Geely they will now have the financial resources to put the amazing talent they have to use.
 
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:49 pm

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This site has really deteriorated. First it was fanboys (me included!), then it was Russian bots destroying any semblance of rational discoursed and now it's threads about supercars with no pictures. I'm not sure I see the point any longer. I'm not adding a picture either but I have two great reasons - first, I don't know how and second, my favorite supercar is and will always be the 911, a car which needs no picture.

adding photos is easy

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Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:40 pm

The picture must be online first.

You can make that happen using this site or similar : https://imgur.com/
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:07 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
cpd wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

The new Aston Vanquish will still have a bonded aluminium chassis, whereas all the McLaren use a carbon tub.


They do, but I think the Aston Martin will be quicker. And the Aston will probably be faster in ways that McLaren won't easily be able to address unless they design a completely new car. Carbon tub won't save it. Given that Aston also has the guy who developed most of these current McLaren cars, I'd say they've got a good position.

If this were Lotus, we'd all laugh and roll our eyes because it will never happen, but with Aston Martin you know they'll do it.

McLaren is still great and I like them a lot.


I don't think so, a carbon tub will always be stronger, stiffer and lighter than a bonded aluminium chassis, McLaren will also have a new engine by 2022, the 720s in it's current version is already the fastest car in its class by a good margin, and remember this is the base version, they haven't released the LT and it will be updated, it's a near new car.

Aston might have the guy who developed the McLarens but McLaren is McLaren and they aren't going to roll over.

Lotus has a new car coming to market in 2020, this will be the spiritual successor to the Esprit. Lotus are the one to watch now that they are part of Geely they will now have the financial resources to put the amazing talent they have to use.



It seems like the new body of the Astons has less drag than Mclaren, which is a pretty crazy statement, but just look at them! Not to mention power outputs and overall weight and downforce
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:35 pm

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I used to think that these "hyper" cars (which were very expensive, but not crazy expensive like now), were for people with means obviously, but it was somewhat possible to dream about them. Now I know they're almost impossible to use, unreliable, and any maintenance costs ungodly amounts of money and time.


Agreed. It is a painful insult when you finally get to sit down in a car you've been lusting after since adolescence and you find that the switchgear looks like the result of ten trips to five different hardware stores, the ergonomics especially the driving position were designed with humanoids in mind but not actual Terran humans, and the assembly quality is so bad that it would be inexcusable in a car costing a tenth as much… in short, when you come to the realization that "Hand-Crafted" is just a very fancy term for "slapped together in a shed out back".
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:10 pm

wingman wrote:
This site has really deteriorated. First it was fanboys (me included!), then it was Russian bots destroying any semblance of rational discoursed and now it's threads about supercars with no pictures. I'm not sure I see the point any longer. I'm not adding a picture either but I have two great reasons - first, I don't know how and second, my favorite supercar is and will always be the 911, a car which needs no picture.

The 911 (with the exception of the GT1) was never a Super car though in most definitions. It was a high end Sports/ GT car but Super not as much. That said Porsche did make what I find to be the best Super and Hyper cars in the Carrera GT and the 918 Hybrid.
Also did you say pictures?
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Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:52 pm

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The McLaren Senna. Everything that is good about the 720S, dialed up to maximum and then some. The successor to the P1 as McLaren's halo car.
 
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Re: Supercars and Hypercars Thread

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:29 pm

T18 wrote:
wingman wrote:
This site has really deteriorated. First it was fanboys (me included!), then it was Russian bots destroying any semblance of rational discoursed and now it's threads about supercars with no pictures. I'm not sure I see the point any longer. I'm not adding a picture either but I have two great reasons - first, I don't know how and second, my favorite supercar is and will always be the 911, a car which needs no picture.

The 911 (with the exception of the GT1) was never a Super car though in most definitions. It was a high end Sports/ GT car but Super not as much. That said Porsche did make what I find to be the best Super and Hyper cars in the Carrera GT and the 918 Hybrid.
Also did you say pictures?
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The 911 GT2 models definitely are supercars especially the last one.

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