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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:24 pm

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You work in retail but are surprised that you have to work during the busiest season that actually keeps them afloat?

There’s a lot of jobs that require holiday work - many of them who frequent this forum, all of whom chose their line of work.

What’s your major?


Most airlines aren't an essential public service and thus can choose not to operate on holidays. El Al doesn't operate on the Jewish Sabbath. Even Ryanair doesn't fly on Christmas Day. Why shouldn' t retail employees enjoy holidays like the privileged can?


Go work for a Christian company then, places like Chick Fil A and Hobby Lobby have guaranteed Christmas/every Sunday off.
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:48 pm

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I actually was a history major in college (doubled with political science). History is taught with a bias in AmeriKKKa, always demonizing anything that isn't capitalist nor imperialist.


So you chose to get a degree in a field where you knew the instructors would lie to you.

continental004 wrote:
Most airlines aren't an essential public service and thus can choose not to operate on holidays. El Al doesn't operate on the Jewish Sabbath. Even Ryanair doesn't fly on Christmas Day. Why shouldn' t retail employees enjoy holidays like the privileged can?


Yes, that's a purely capitalist idea. The concept that a company can choose to do what it wants in service of its consumers or its ideology is capitalist in nature. In communism or socialism that decision would be taken away from the organization, from the employee & the consumer.

continental004 wrote:
Why shouldn' t retail employees enjoy holidays like the privileged can?


Because the consumer has decided that they want to shop on Thanksgiving, that's why. So, the retailer has decided (capitalism, at work again), to react to the consumer demand...once again, capitalism. If you don't want to work on a holiday, or a weekend, or at odd hours, choose a field that your history/political science degree will be of use.

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Check your privilege.


Please. I suspect most of the folks on this board work weekends, nights and holidays. Further, they entered the field knowing full well that they would be required to do so.

continental004 wrote:
Changing jobs is not always easy for everyone, especially for those working low-wage jobs.


Actually, it's very easy to change jobs when you are low-skilled/low-waged, because those jobs are easy-entry jobs. They are designed for the ill-trained, non-trained or low-skilled. That's why they don't pay very well. You want better pay? Distinguish yourself. Make yourself invaluable. Be better than the guy next to you. And, if your employer doesn't reward you, find an employer that will.

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They should be paid a living wage and the opportunity to have the same quality of life as salaried workers.


I'm salaried and I work nights. I have, and will again, work weekends. And, this year, my schedule says I get to work Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, Christmas, New Year's Eve and New Year's Day. But, that's the field I have chosen.
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:01 pm

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Every person I have hired between the ages of 24 and 35 and even some older have been a disaster. Never take their eyes off their phone. Have to constantly watch them or they stop working, Always late. Never shave or groom and dress real bad. All with a huge sense of entitlement. Communism is not the answer. Work your butt off and stop playing video games. You would be surprised how things can change.


You sound like an overly judgmental and bitter old man boss.


And you sound like:

A) a troll
B) someone who hasn’t bothered using your major in history at all

I’m going to go with A.
 
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:44 pm

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Defending Europe isn’t cheap.


Don't fall for these cheap one-liners from certain people in power. You are better than that.

I’m being serious. We spend a massive amount on defense. Truly massive. Way more than any European country.


True, you spend something like 3,5% and European countries mostly spend somewhere between 1,2% and 2%. There is a flip side to that. You spend this vast amount for a reason, it also gets you to influence in the world. This was certainly true in the cold war. I agree you spend way to much, but try to cut that amount: senators of states where the military is cut will object, the military industrial complex will object and thus your parliament, the people would object: don't touch our soldiers (you truly have a military-minded society almost militaristic). There is a reason why parts for the F-35 is built in dozens of states. So I agree that that money would be better spent on infrastructure or at education, much better return for your buck.

As for Europe, they could spend more, true, but more importantly, it could be spent much more efficiently. So more European integration with an EU army.
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:47 pm

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:01 pm

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Yes, that's a purely capitalist idea. The concept that a company can choose to do what it wants in service of its consumers or its ideology is capitalist in nature. In communism or socialism that decision would be taken away from the organization, from the employee & the consumer.

Because the consumer has decided that they want to shop on Thanksgiving, that's why. So, the retailer has decided (capitalism, at work again), to react to the consumer demand...once again, capitalism.


Most people don't know what's good for them nor for the greater good. Hence why we have Brexit, Trump, etc. And corporate America exploits that unfortunate fact. The government should mandate that retailers be closed on all major holidays as they are in Europe.
 
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:08 pm

I find it somewhat funny that the gripes about "corporate greed" is b/c the OP don't get to spend holiday with his/her family, thus, we need communism.

You know what? Under communism, there will be no such thing as "holiday" or "break". Oh, and all the work you do? It'll go to some "commune" and "shared". Oh, and don't even think about whether you get to pick what you do as a job, either. If the gov't decide to send you to some farm and move you far, far away from your family, you don't get to pick.

Seriously, I recommend the OP to read about things like Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution (that's just in China), or the what "Juche" (The North Korean philosophy) incorporate, before thinking communism is some utopian ideal.
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:24 pm

Magog wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Magog wrote:
Defending Europe isn’t cheap.


Don't fall for these cheap one-liners from certain people in power. You are better than that.

I’m being serious. We spend a massive amount on defense. Truly massive. Way more than any European country.

We Europeans have also spent a lot of money to but US weapons...... And we also got McDonalds, Starbucks and other “haute cuisine”..... :duck:
 
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:41 pm

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Sorry but this feels straight out of the Internet Research Agency.

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:39 pm

continental004 wrote:
Most people don't know what's good for them nor for the greater good. Hence why we have Brexit, Trump, etc. And corporate America exploits that unfortunate fact. The government should mandate that retailers be closed on all major holidays as they are in Europe.


And, that's it right there. You are afraid of choice, therefore you want all decisions made, not only for you, but for everyone. Because, somehow you think that will be fair.

Somehow, the government knows what's best for us all.

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Sorry but this feels straight out of the Internet Research Agency.


Troll or not, ignorance such as this must be addressed and corrected, else it grows and people start wearing Che Guevara or Hammer and Sickle shirts thinking it's cool. Those symbols should be just as offensive as Hitler and the Swastika.
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:58 pm

Dutchy wrote:
DGVT wrote:
With general government spending standing at~38% of GDP, the US already is in the club of socialist countries. Obviously Americans don't like to admit that, as they are brainwashed to believe that they are some type of archetypal capitalist society.


38%? Does that include health care?

Anyhow, they must be spending it wrong looking at the state of the US public services and society.


A good chunk is spent on corporate welfare and defense. One of the reasons many Americans are so Anti-tax is because they don't see a return on it.
Europeans are largely fine with the taxes they pay because the services provided are much better for a large part of the continent.

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I am so sick of our society that so blatantly favors the rich and corporations! Our society so passively lets the rich buy their way into the best universities, lets the rich buy their way out of justice, lets corporations have an iron grip on workers who suppress their rights and quality and life, and more! What we need to eliminate this problem is embrace COMMUNISM! A good start is to embrace people like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who fight for the PEOPLE, not for the rich and not for corporations!

The free market isn’t creating jobs (especially not quality, well-paid, full time jobs with benefits) nor is it giving much opportunity for people to lift themselves out of poverty.I have a college degree and years of consistent work experience and it is damn near impossible to find a good well-paying job. I worked at a major retailer and I missed Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve (which was the last one when my grandpa was alive) all because of corporate greed. I regret not calling out. And if I chose to, there should be no repercussions for missing family holidays. **** corporate greed and **** corporate America.

I would rather live under communism than in our twisted capitalist society of the United States of AmeriKKKa.



You could always change jobs.

Or look to better your prospects by studying.

Nothing is handed out for free, nor should it.


Great, in theory.

The costs of getting an education is high enough in the US and there has not been much action on re-training taken by governments at any level so if you don't have the means to learn a new skill then you are SOL. Furthermore the presence of non-compete clauses in low and high wage jobs make just simply jumping ship not as easy. They are often thrown out in court but an individual has to have the means to fight a potential lawsuit in the first place.

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continental004 wrote:
geologyrocks wrote:
You work in retail but are surprised that you have to work during the busiest season that actually keeps them afloat?

There’s a lot of jobs that require holiday work - many of them who frequent this forum, all of whom chose their line of work.

What’s your major?


Most airlines aren't an essential public service and thus can choose not to operate on holidays. El Al doesn't operate on the Jewish Sabbath. Even Ryanair doesn't fly on Christmas Day. Why shouldn' t retail employees enjoy holidays like the privileged can?


Go work for a Christian company then, places like Chick Fil A and Hobby Lobby have guaranteed Christmas/every Sunday off.


Why did Chick Fil-A open in the new Mercedes-Benz field in Atlanta if they are closed on Sundays? America's second church (the NFL) is on Sunday as well. Even though probably costs the company very little money why open in a stadium where its biggest draw happens on Sunday.
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:03 pm

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Most people don't know what's good for them nor for the greater good.


And there it is, the hallmark of liberalism - one group telling everyone else they don't know what's best for them and must be required by law to live their lives as they're instructed by those who think they know better.
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:05 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
continental004 wrote:
Most people don't know what's good for them nor for the greater good.


And there it is, the hallmark of liberalism - one group telling everyone else they don't know what's best for them and must be required by law to live their lives as they're instructed by those who think they know better.

I've heard that from the right too. Conservatives love to tell people how they must live and what is best for them too. Let's not try to exonerate one side over another, be honest about it.

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:40 pm

With thing's going Putin's way right now...I don't think we have a choice in the matter.

As someone said above, deport 'the deplorables'..that's like what? 30-35 % of America? That'll make a happier America and a more Nordic style of America (more diverse of course).

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:18 am

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With thing's going Putin's way right now...I don't think we have a choice in the matter.

As someone said above, deport 'the deplorables'..that's like what? 30-35 % of America? That'll make a happier America and a more Nordic style of America (more diverse of course).

BN747


Keep using “deplorable” to describe 35% of America and we’ll see you at the Trump Second Inauguration.

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:21 am

A good chunk is spent on corporate welfare and defense. One of the reasons many Americans are so Anti-tax is because they don't see a return on it.
Europeans are largely fine with the taxes they pay because the services provided are much better for a large part of the continent.


Good idea—government is a service, send me a bill and I’ll decide what I liked and I will pay for it and withhold payment on services devoid of value until satisfaction is made.



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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:14 am

People who advocate communism always imagine they'll be on the top of the system, not on the bottom like 99.9% of the people.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:16 am

Many of these "-isms" tend to end up in a similar way: A rich top layer and a large (impoverished) base. In the case of Communism (Russian or China-style): a Communist Party where most of its top 100+ members live in luxury while the rest of the country lives in mediocrity. Same goes for Olichargies and weak Republics: A wealthy top 1% layer on top of a mediocre 99%,.
My feeling is that a Parliamentary Democracy is the best (least worst) form of governance, IF there are strict rules with respect to lobbying politicians and "buying" election influence. Suffice to say that I don't believe the US is an enlightened example in this case. I rather refer to Holland or e.g. Scandinavia.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:21 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
BN747 wrote:
With thing's going Putin's way right now...I don't think we have a choice in the matter.

As someone said above, deport 'the deplorables'..that's like what? 30-35 % of America? That'll make a happier America and a more Nordic style of America (more diverse of course).

BN747


Keep using “deplorable” to describe 35% of America and we’ll see you at the Trump Second Inauguration.

GF


I won't be there...but Putin, you and 100X more Russians than the 1st Inauguration will be as my post implies.

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Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:24 am

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A good chunk is spent on corporate welfare and defense. One of the reasons many Americans are so Anti-tax is because they don't see a return on it.
Europeans are largely fine with the taxes they pay because the services provided are much better for a large part of the continent.


Good idea—government is a service, send me a bill and I’ll decide what I liked and I will pay for it and withhold payment on services devoid of value until satisfaction is made.



Gf



Wow...you think exactly as trump does. No wonder you're a yuge fan, he feels the law works exactly as you expressed here.

The law should be to his liking and nothing else matters...that's why you guys love him, I get it now.

Authoritarianism...it has hooks that make fishermen jealous.

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Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:22 am

No, limited, small government is quite the opposite of authoritarianism, but don’t let facts get in the way of your bovine fecal matter. Actually, I’m opposed to ALL politicians, Trump included, but he’s better than idiots like the current Democrats who are out to change everything political. Every aspect of the Democrat progressive program is authoritarian—more government, more taxes taking away our freedom, more centralized control, more limits on things like free speech, free markets, protection of property. It’s all about bureaucrats telling free people how to live.

I guess St. Mueller’s word is suddenly no good because he didn’t rubber stamp the collusion delusion.

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Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:21 am

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No, limited, small government is quite the opposite of authoritarianism, but don’t let facts get in the way of your bovine fecal matter. Actually, I’m opposed to ALL politicians, Trump included, but he’s better than idiots like the current Democrats who are out to change everything political. Every aspect of the Democrat progressive program is authoritarian—more government, more taxes taking away our freedom, more centralized control, more limits on things like free speech, free markets, protection of property. It’s all about bureaucrats telling free people how to live.

I guess St. Mueller’s word is suddenly no good because he didn’t rubber stamp the collusion delusion.

GF


1) What example of great successful working 'limited small government' example have you personally witnessed speaking of serving 'bovine fecal matter....enlighten everyone.

2) I'm certain the 'idiot democrats' such Elizabeth Warren's Consumer Protections action has benefitted you personally along with many other rights you enjoy (incl Social Security...but please don't let that stand in your way, lets hear it for this argument of 'small government' trump style...just how would that work?

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:31 am

BN747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
No, limited, small government is quite the opposite of authoritarianism, but don’t let facts get in the way of your bovine fecal matter. Actually, I’m opposed to ALL politicians, Trump included, but he’s better than idiots like the current Democrats who are out to change everything political. Every aspect of the Democrat progressive program is authoritarian—more government, more taxes taking away our freedom, more centralized control, more limits on things like free speech, free markets, protection of property. It’s all about bureaucrats telling free people how to live.

I guess St. Mueller’s word is suddenly no good because he didn’t rubber stamp the collusion delusion.

GF


1) What example of great successful working 'limited small government' example have you personally witnessed speaking of serving 'bovine fecal matter....enlighten everyone.

BN747


Ok, I’ll bite. Why are moving vans from California to Texas, and from New York to Florida so much more expensive than the other way around?

We’ll wait.
 
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:49 am

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Changing jobs is not always easy for everyone, especially for those working low-wage jobs. They should be paid a living wage and the opportunity to have the same quality of life as salaried workers.


This is a soundbite, not an argument.

continental004 wrote:
Most airlines aren't an essential public service and thus can choose not to operate on holidays. El Al doesn't operate on the Jewish Sabbath. Even Ryanair doesn't fly on Christmas Day. Why shouldn' t retail employees enjoy holidays like the privileged can?


You can make the same argument for working outside of core business hours. Why shouldn't retail employees enjoy evenings like the privileged can? Why do you think shops are open outside of business hours? When do you think the "privileged" who spend business hours working, can do their shopping?
 
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:53 am

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noviorbis77 wrote:
You could always change jobs.

Or look to better your prospects by studying.

Nothing is handed out for free, nor should it.


The costs of getting an education is high enough in the US and there has not been much action on re-training taken by governments at any level so if you don't have the means to learn a new skill then you are SOL. Furthermore the presence of non-compete clauses in low and high wage jobs make just simply jumping ship not as easy. They are often thrown out in court but an individual has to have the means to fight a potential lawsuit in the first place.


This argument may have been valid 10+ years ago, but since around the time everyone has a smartphone with internet access, this no longer flies. There is a wealth of educational content available online, for free. You have to find it, and then spend the time and effort learning. I'm not talking about getting a degree or something - as we can see from the OP, some degrees aren't worth anything in the job market.

We're talking about someone "stuck" in a retail job - a job that, at the entry level, requires little more than a pulse. Let's assume there is no way up in retail, so the objective is to get into another job that either pays better, or that's similarly low-end but has opportunities to develop useful skills and move up. That job, in much of the developed world, is IT. Entry level jobs pay peanuts, but requires very little skills, and the opportunities to learn and move up or on to better jobs are practically limitless. *Anyone* with a smartphone can learn enough to land an entry level job. Heck, just following a relevant subreddit for a few months will teach you enough to get a shitty job helping people who are even more inept than you do menial shit like check that all the cables are plugged in.

And I'm not being facetious. I started my IT career in exactly that job. "I can't print" or "I can't send e-mail" was about 80% of my workload, and inevitably required little more than restarting something or plugging in a cable that got yanked out by a foot or the cleaner. The proliferation of computers in work environments that are staffed by people who have not troubleshooting skills and can't even spot the most obvious problems, mean there's a lot of trivially easy work.

If you don't want to do that, then suck it up and work the Sunday shift at Walmart. Until your job is automated away.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:54 am

FreequentFlier wrote:
BN747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
No, limited, small government is quite the opposite of authoritarianism, but don’t let facts get in the way of your bovine fecal matter. Actually, I’m opposed to ALL politicians, Trump included, but he’s better than idiots like the current Democrats who are out to change everything political. Every aspect of the Democrat progressive program is authoritarian—more government, more taxes taking away our freedom, more centralized control, more limits on things like free speech, free markets, protection of property. It’s all about bureaucrats telling free people how to live.

I guess St. Mueller’s word is suddenly no good because he didn’t rubber stamp the collusion delusion.

GF


1) What example of great successful working 'limited small government' example have you personally witnessed speaking of serving 'bovine fecal matter....enlighten everyone.

BN747


Ok, I’ll bite. Why are moving vans from California to Texas, and from New York to Florida so much more expensive than the other way around?

We’ll wait.


Because right wing media says EVERYONE in California and New York make bank so they can afford it. The interns who work week to week and the retail workers who work paycheck to paycheck.... They can afford high moving van rates and first and last and deposit for a mold and roach infested apartment. They are willing to pay for it because they live in California or New York.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:00 am

seat64k wrote:
StarAC17 wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:
You could always change jobs.

Or look to better your prospects by studying.

Nothing is handed out for free, nor should it.


The costs of getting an education is high enough in the US and there has not been much action on re-training taken by governments at any level so if you don't have the means to learn a new skill then you are SOL. Furthermore the presence of non-compete clauses in low and high wage jobs make just simply jumping ship not as easy. They are often thrown out in court but an individual has to have the means to fight a potential lawsuit in the first place.


This argument may have been valid 10+ years ago, but since around the time everyone has a smartphone with internet access, this no longer flies. There is a wealth of educational content available online, for free. You have to find it, and then spend the time and effort learning. I'm not talking about getting a degree or something - as we can see from the OP, some degrees aren't worth anything in the job market.

We're talking about someone "stuck" in a retail job - a job that, at the entry level, requires little more than a pulse. Let's assume there is no way up in retail, so the objective is to get into another job that either pays better, or that's similarly low-end but has opportunities to develop useful skills and move up. That job, in much of the developed world, is IT. Entry level jobs pay peanuts, but requires very little skills, and the opportunities to learn and move up or on to better jobs are practically limitless. *Anyone* with a smartphone can learn enough to land an entry level job. Heck, just following a relevant subreddit for a few months will teach you enough to get a shitty job helping people who are even more inept than you do menial shit like check that all the cables are plugged in.

And I'm not being facetious. I started my IT career in exactly that job. "I can't print" or "I can't send e-mail" was about 80% of my workload, and inevitably required little more than restarting something or plugging in a cable that got yanked out by a foot or the cleaner. The proliferation of computers in work environments that are staffed by people who have not troubleshooting skills and can't even spot the most obvious problems, mean there's a lot of trivially easy work.

If you don't want to do that, then suck it up and work the Sunday shift at Walmart. Until your job is automated away.


Actually getting access to high speed internet costs money. Actually getting access to software to learn programming costs money. Actually proving yourself in a field like that costs money. Actually going to a tech center like San Jose or Hillsboro costs money. Understanding that you will only get paid for like a month or two of work is not worth it. Maybe people work the Sunday shift at Walmart because they have no choice? This Walmart here has senior citizens working full time as cashiers. They can not make ends meet. As senior citizens. As veterans. They can not afford to live in the middle of nowhere Oregon. But go on and blame them for working hard their whole life and serving our country. It is their fault they have to work a full time job. Those of us with good degrees who can not afford anything because the cost of education is sucking our salaries away. Yes, blame us who are making an effort.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:43 am

seb146 wrote:
Actually getting access to high speed internet costs money.


You don't need high speed internet. The kind of internet net people have who spend their days bitching and moaning on twitter, is quite sufficient.

seb146 wrote:
Actually getting access to software to learn programming costs money.


WHUT? I can fill a whole page with links to completely free, entirely text based learning resources for opensource languages that have completely free implementations for every platform *including* Android/iOS.

seb146 wrote:
Actually proving yourself in a field like that costs money.


No it doesn't. It costs time and effort. If that means working a few hours for free after your retail shift, do it. I've done it, and lots of people do it every day.

seb146 wrote:
Actually going to a tech center like San Jose or Hillsboro costs money.


I just told you you don't have to. And c'mon, my argument isn't specific to tech. There are lots of fields with skills shortage.

seb146 wrote:
Understanding that you will only get paid for like a month or two of work is not worth it. Maybe people work the Sunday shift at Walmart because they have no choice? This Walmart here has senior citizens working full time as cashiers. They can not make ends meet. As senior citizens. As veterans. They can not afford to live in the middle of nowhere Oregon. But go on and blame them for working hard their whole life and serving our country. It is their fault they have to work a full time job. Those of us with good degrees who can not afford anything because the cost of education is sucking our salaries away. Yes, blame us who are making an effort.


Your emotional appeal doesn't impress me. I'm from a "shithole" country. I'm an immigrant (not to the US, but I have immigrant family there). I grew up in in a poor family. Neither of my parents have a college education. I don't either. I've seen the "poverty cycle" first hand - my family is beset by it. It has much less to do with access and opportunities than an attitude of learned helplessness and blaming their situation on others.

Do you know why people from poor countries want to go to the US? Opportunity. Your country is overflowing with it.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:50 am

No, communism kills people. Look how many people were killed by Joseph Stalin of Soviet Russia, Mao Zedong of People's Republic of China, and the Kim Dynasty of North Korea. In fact, Communism killed more people than the number of Jews that the Nazis killed in The Holocaust.

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:30 am

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continental004 wrote:
I am so sick of our society that so blatantly favors the rich and corporations! Our society so passively lets the rich buy their way into the best universities, lets the rich buy their way out of justice, lets corporations have an iron grip on workers who suppress their rights and quality and life, and more! What we need to eliminate this problem is embrace COMMUNISM! A good start is to embrace people like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who fight for the PEOPLE, not for the rich and not for corporations!

The free market isn’t creating jobs (especially not quality, well-paid, full time jobs with benefits) nor is it giving much opportunity for people to lift themselves out of poverty.I have a college degree and years of consistent work experience and it is damn near impossible to find a good well-paying job. I worked at a major retailer and I missed Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve (which was the last one when my grandpa was alive) all because of corporate greed. I regret not calling out. And if I chose to, there should be no repercussions for missing family holidays. **** corporate greed and **** corporate America.

I would rather live under communism than in our twisted capitalist society of the United States of AmeriKKKa.



Just leave the states. Move to Sweden, Norway, Denmark or Finland. A lot of Americans do, become an ex-pat and start over in a new place. America will never change, no point in getting frustrated over it.


It's very difficult to be employed as an American in Norway at the moment. Due to all the sanctions the US has on everyone companies which produce products for export to any of these sanctioned countries face problems if they have US citizen employees working for them, so it's easier to just not hire Americans. I doubt this is only happening in Norway.
 
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:56 am

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A wealthy top 1% layer on top of a mediocre 99%,.

How would you describe the US in that context? :-)

The mediocre in the socialist/communist systems had working health care holidays and got away with a single job.
( Interesting: West Germany has a right to alimentation, East Germany had a right to a job :-)
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:09 pm

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Many of these "-isms" tend to end up in a similar way: A rich top layer and a large (impoverished) base. In the case of Communism (Russian or China-style): a Communist Party where most of its top 100+ members live in luxury while the rest of the country lives in mediocrity. Same goes for Olichargies and weak Republics: A wealthy top 1% layer on top of a mediocre 99%,.
My feeling is that a Parliamentary Democracy is the best (least worst) form of governance, IF there are strict rules with respect to lobbying politicians and "buying" election influence. Suffice to say that I don't believe the US is an enlightened example in this case. I rather refer to Holland or e.g. Scandinavia.

Form of government =\= Economic structure. Communism link them together bit this is not a must.
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:37 pm

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GalaxyFlyer wrote:
No, limited, small government is quite the opposite of authoritarianism, but don’t let facts get in the way of your bovine fecal matter. Actually, I’m opposed to ALL politicians, Trump included, but he’s better than idiots like the current Democrats who are out to change everything political. Every aspect of the Democrat progressive program is authoritarian—more government, more taxes taking away our freedom, more centralized control, more limits on things like free speech, free markets, protection of property. It’s all about bureaucrats telling free people how to live.

I guess St. Mueller’s word is suddenly no good because he didn’t rubber stamp the collusion delusion.

GF


1) What example of great successful working 'limited small government' example have you personally witnessed speaking of serving 'bovine fecal matter....enlighten everyone.

2) I'm certain the 'idiot democrats' such Elizabeth Warren's Consumer Protections action has benefitted you personally along with many other rights you enjoy (incl Social Security...but please don't let that stand in your way, lets hear it for this argument of 'small government' trump style...just how would that work?

BN747


Switzerland. I’d be far better off if I had the Social Security taxes in my pocket and not spent by Uncle Sam. I’d have an annuity that pays better and I’d have an asset to spend to pass to heirs, instead of a promise. To give an example, my FICA total paid invested at the last 40 years market returns would pay me an annuity 80% more than Social Security and pay my wife a survivor benefit for life. haven’t seen one benefit from Warren’s nonsense board, either.
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:42 pm

FreequentFlier wrote:
Ok, I’ll bite. Why are moving vans from California to Texas, and from New York to Florida so much more expensive than the other way around?

We’ll wait.

Because the people moving out tend to be better off than those that are just arriving. People make more, become more successful. make enough to move elsewhere as they wish and do so. So the amount of "stuff" people have is greater for those moving out than moving in. So there is a net positive out flow that is not made up for by the inflow.

Look it up.

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:50 pm

Tugger wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:
Ok, I’ll bite. Why are moving vans from California to Texas, and from New York to Florida so much more expensive than the other way around?

We’ll wait.

Because the people moving out tend to be better off than those that are just arriving. People make more, become more successful. make enough to move elsewhere as they wish and do so. So the amount of "stuff" people have is greater for those moving out than moving in. So there is a net positive out flow that is not made up for by the inflow.

Look it up.

Tugg


LOL, ok Tugg. I was talking about the same size moving van. People are fleeing high tax states like California and New York and moving to the conservative states like Texas and Florida because they provide a lower cost of living, higher quality of life, and have more job opportunities. The price of renting a U-Haul in each direction reflects this.

All ideology and back and forth snarking aside, that’s just a fact. Deal with it.

You’re smart enough to know what the answer was, but you do you Tugg.
 
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:12 pm

FreequentFlier wrote:
Tugger wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:
Ok, I’ll bite. Why are moving vans from California to Texas, and from New York to Florida so much more expensive than the other way around?

We’ll wait.

Because the people moving out tend to be better off than those that are just arriving. People make more, become more successful. make enough to move elsewhere as they wish and do so. So the amount of "stuff" people have is greater for those moving out than moving in. So there is a net positive out flow that is not made up for by the inflow.

Look it up.

Tugg


LOL, ok Tugg. I was talking about the same size moving van. People are fleeing high tax states like California and New York and moving to the conservative states like Texas and Florida because they provide a lower cost of living, higher quality of life, and have more job opportunities. The price of renting a U-Haul in each direction reflects this.

All ideology and back and forth snarking aside, that’s just a fact. Deal with it.

You’re smart enough to know what the answer was, but you do you Tugg.

Actually what is funny is that you are the one only believing one thing and not open to actually looking at the situation, you are actually ignoring the facts. I deal with the moving industry everyday. Larger loads move out of California. Smaller loads move in. That creates an imbalance. Add into that, the fact that more people enter the USA via California and there is a net positive birth rate in California (read growing population) means that there is more potential for a net out flow.

So LOL :wave: you can believe the narrative being sold to you but facts are what they are. You might try actually looking things up and seeing the wealth of the people moving out (often phrased as "the wealthy are leaving in droves" etc.). If it is "the wealthy", their households are larger than the ones moving in.

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:44 pm

FreequentFlier wrote:
BN747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
No, limited, small government is quite the opposite of authoritarianism, but don’t let facts get in the way of your bovine fecal matter. Actually, I’m opposed to ALL politicians, Trump included, but he’s better than idiots like the current Democrats who are out to change everything political. Every aspect of the Democrat progressive program is authoritarian—more government, more taxes taking away our freedom, more centralized control, more limits on things like free speech, free markets, protection of property. It’s all about bureaucrats telling free people how to live.

I guess St. Mueller’s word is suddenly no good because he didn’t rubber stamp the collusion delusion.

GF


1) What example of great successful working 'limited small government' example have you personally witnessed speaking of serving 'bovine fecal matter....enlighten everyone.

BN747


Ok, I’ll bite. Why are moving vans from California to Texas, and from New York to Florida so much more expensive than the other way around?

We’ll wait.


You bit concrete...there's a huge (affordable) housing shortage in the LA area and SF.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/206 ... alifornia/
Resident population in California from 1960 to 2018 (in millions)
2018 - 39.56 million
2017 - 39.4 million
2016 - 39.21 million
2015 - 38.95 million
2014 - 38.63 million
...and the numbers decrease with each predceding year.

...but please continue chomping on Fox News (or whatever misdirecting source you 'bite' into) for your info, proving very healthy for your brain.

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:49 pm

seat64k wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Actually getting access to high speed internet costs money.


You don't need high speed internet. The kind of internet net people have who spend their days bitching and moaning on twitter, is quite sufficient.

seb146 wrote:
Actually getting access to software to learn programming costs money.


WHUT? I can fill a whole page with links to completely free, entirely text based learning resources for opensource languages that have completely free implementations for every platform *including* Android/iOS.

seb146 wrote:
Actually proving yourself in a field like that costs money.


No it doesn't. It costs time and effort. If that means working a few hours for free after your retail shift, do it. I've done it, and lots of people do it every day.

seb146 wrote:
Actually going to a tech center like San Jose or Hillsboro costs money.


I just told you you don't have to. And c'mon, my argument isn't specific to tech. There are lots of fields with skills shortage.

seb146 wrote:
Understanding that you will only get paid for like a month or two of work is not worth it. Maybe people work the Sunday shift at Walmart because they have no choice? This Walmart here has senior citizens working full time as cashiers. They can not make ends meet. As senior citizens. As veterans. They can not afford to live in the middle of nowhere Oregon. But go on and blame them for working hard their whole life and serving our country. It is their fault they have to work a full time job. Those of us with good degrees who can not afford anything because the cost of education is sucking our salaries away. Yes, blame us who are making an effort.


Your emotional appeal doesn't impress me. I'm from a "shithole" country. I'm an immigrant (not to the US, but I have immigrant family there). I grew up in in a poor family. Neither of my parents have a college education. I don't either. I've seen the "poverty cycle" first hand - my family is beset by it. It has much less to do with access and opportunities than an attitude of learned helplessness and blaming their situation on others.

Do you know why people from poor countries want to go to the US? Opportunity. Your country is overflowing with it.


Low band width takes forever to download stuff. It can be done. Fine. Learning things that only take "time and effort" take away from earning money to pay for things like internet and rent and food. The choice is paying bills or learning a new career. We can not do both. Minimum wage is not enough to do both.

There are too many careers out there that require more than simply logging on. Medical, aviation, truck driver are three in demand jobs that require actual in person experience and money and, for many people, living someplace they do not currently live.

Yes, America has plenty of opportunity. If you come here with some sort of higher education and/or have money already. People who come to this country for opportunities have already set out on a career path. There are those lucky few in this country who work their behinds off to get out of poverty. Barack Obama is one great example. But, for every Barack Obama, there are hundreds, maybe even thousads, of people who try and try and try and just can not get anything.

It sounds like you have no knowledge of life in America for the working poor. It sounds like you have knowledge of immigrating to Europe. That is a whole different ball game and has zero to do with the United States.
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:42 pm

BN747 wrote:
You bit concrete...there's a huge (affordable) housing shortage in the LA area and SF.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/206 ... alifornia/
Resident population in California from 1960 to 2018 (in millions)
2018 - 39.56 million
2017 - 39.4 million
2016 - 39.21 million
2015 - 38.95 million
2014 - 38.63 million
...and the numbers decrease with each predceding year.

...but please continue chomping on Fox News (or whatever misdirecting source you 'bite' into) for your info, proving very healthy for your brain.

BN747


But..But...it's all those illegals flooding California. Seriously, if everyone is leaving California, why are housing still so f**king expensive there?
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:58 pm

Tugger wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Because the people moving out tend to be better off than those that are just arriving. People make more, become more successful. make enough to move elsewhere as they wish and do so. So the amount of "stuff" people have is greater for those moving out than moving in. So there is a net positive out flow that is not made up for by the inflow.

Look it up.

Tugg


LOL, ok Tugg. I was talking about the same size moving van. People are fleeing high tax states like California and New York and moving to the conservative states like Texas and Florida because they provide a lower cost of living, higher quality of life, and have more job opportunities. The price of renting a U-Haul in each direction reflects this.

All ideology and back and forth snarking aside, that’s just a fact. Deal with it.

You’re smart enough to know what the answer was, but you do you Tugg.

Actually what is funny is that you are the one only believing one thing and not open to actually looking at the situation, you are actually ignoring the facts. I deal with the moving industry everyday. Larger loads move out of California. Smaller loads move in. That creates an imbalance. Add into that, the fact that more people enter the USA via California and there is a net positive birth rate in California (read growing population) means that there is more potential for a net out flow.

So LOL :wave: you can believe the narrative being sold to you but facts are what they are. You might try actually looking things up and seeing the wealth of the people moving out (often phrased as "the wealthy are leaving in droves" etc.). If it is "the wealthy", their households are larger than the ones moving in.

Tugg


Oh brother, are you really doubling down on this Tugg? Sad!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes ... rowth/amp/

“Every year, the U.S. Census Bureau estimates the number of people who move across state lines. In the five years from 2012 to 2016, a net of 521,052 Californians moved out. Their most popular destination was Texas, with a net of 114,413 Californians moving 1,300 miles east to Texas. California lost about 1.4 percent of its population to other states over five years.”

Newsflash Tugg - the reason it costs more to rent a U-Haul from California to Texas than Texas to California is BECAUSE A LOT MORE CALIFORNIANS ARE MOVING TO TEXAS THAN FROM TEXAS TO CALIFORNIA. It’s not because of the size of their relative sleeper sofas, or whatever nonsense you’re trying to suggest.

Face it Tugg - for the average family, California is just a bad place to live now. But don’t take my word for it. Ask Californians themselves.

https://patch.com/california/campbell/n ... alley-poll

“Nearly Half May Move From Bay Area Per Silicon Valley Poll”

We can argue politics on a.net or elsewhere all day long, but at the end of the day, people get to vote with their feet. We determined West Germany was better than East Germany because West Germany didn’t have armed guards preventing its citizens from leaving. We knew the US was better than Cuba because people weren’t trying to escape it on inner tubes across 50 miles of ocean to get to the other side.

Similarly, people get to vote with their feet when comparing Blue State vs Red State models. Well, the votes are in, and the winner is clear.

I can try to convince you of the merits of the Red State model and you are welcome to ignore it. But in the aggregate, the data is quite clear, and the Blue State model isn’t working.
 
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:01 pm

BN747 wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:
BN747 wrote:

1) What example of great successful working 'limited small government' example have you personally witnessed speaking of serving 'bovine fecal matter....enlighten everyone.

BN747


Ok, I’ll bite. Why are moving vans from California to Texas, and from New York to Florida so much more expensive than the other way around?

We’ll wait.


You bit concrete...there's a huge (affordable) housing shortage in the LA area and SF.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/206 ... alifornia/
Resident population in California from 1960 to 2018 (in millions)
2018 - 39.56 million
2017 - 39.4 million
2016 - 39.21 million
2015 - 38.95 million
2014 - 38.63 million
...and the numbers decrease with each predceding year.

...but please continue chomping on Fox News (or whatever misdirecting source you 'bite' into) for your info, proving very healthy for your brain.

BN747


What you forgot to mention is that California’s population is only growing because it’s share of foreign born population is growing. Domestically there’s a big exodus of residents.

And you act as if California is this unwilling victim in the housing crisis.

Texas is growing much faster than California...and yet, it has no housing crisis. That’s not coincidence.
 
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Re: We need Communism.

Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:11 pm

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dik909 wrote:
Pyrex wrote:

Yeah, good luck implementing that without a Nordic-style populace.


...or Nordic style natural resources. ;)


Do you mean Norwegian style natural resources?


Nope, I meant Nordic.
 
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:32 pm

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Oh brother, are you really doubling down on this Tugg? Sad!

You are missing that I am addressing your question about moving trucks and in response you are going a completely different direction. The nature of the population growth of the state is that it very much needs an outflow of people.

Not politics or "red state vs blue state".

But feel free to carry on.

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:15 pm

seb146 wrote:
Understanding that you will only get paid for like a month or two of work is not worth it. Maybe people work the Sunday shift at Walmart because they have no choice? This Walmart here has senior citizens working full time as cashiers. They can not make ends meet. As senior citizens. As veterans. They can not afford to live in the middle of nowhere Oregon. But go on and blame them for working hard their whole life and serving our country. It is their fault they have to work a full time job. Those of us with good degrees who can not afford anything because the cost of education is sucking our salaries away. Yes, blame us who are making an effort.

Yes, America has plenty of opportunity. If you come here with some sort of higher education and/or have money already. People who come to this country for opportunities have already set out on a career path. There are those lucky few in this country who work their behinds off to get out of poverty. Barack Obama is one great example. But, for every Barack Obama, there are hundreds, maybe even thousads, of people who try and try and try and just can not get anything..


You hit the nail on the head. The American dream is dead. The 1% take all they want and leave the rest of us with scraps to fight over.
 
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:19 pm

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Why shouldn't retail employees enjoy evenings like the privileged can? Why do you think shops are open outside of business hours? When do you think the "privileged" who spend business hours working, can do their shopping?


Really though, why shouldn't retail employees enjoy evenings like the privileged can? Why must big-box retailers be open until 10, 11pm or even 24 hours?

You can shop online on your office computer if you "don't have time" or set your priorities straight and make time.
 
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:26 pm

continental004 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Understanding that you will only get paid for like a month or two of work is not worth it. Maybe people work the Sunday shift at Walmart because they have no choice? This Walmart here has senior citizens working full time as cashiers. They can not make ends meet. As senior citizens. As veterans. They can not afford to live in the middle of nowhere Oregon. But go on and blame them for working hard their whole life and serving our country. It is their fault they have to work a full time job. Those of us with good degrees who can not afford anything because the cost of education is sucking our salaries away. Yes, blame us who are making an effort.

Yes, America has plenty of opportunity. If you come here with some sort of higher education and/or have money already. People who come to this country for opportunities have already set out on a career path. There are those lucky few in this country who work their behinds off to get out of poverty. Barack Obama is one great example. But, for every Barack Obama, there are hundreds, maybe even thousads, of people who try and try and try and just can not get anything..


You hit the nail on the head. The American dream is dead. The 1% take all they want and leave the rest of us with scraps to fight over.


Ok, look at some of the 1%— Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Tom Brady, Justin Timberlake, Bernie Sanders, Lizzie Warren, shedloads of doctors, lawyers, airline pilots, middle and upper management types. All 1%, which ones “took”; as in stole by violent means, your money.

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:18 pm

Tugger wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:
Oh brother, are you really doubling down on this Tugg? Sad!

You are missing that I am addressing your question about moving trucks and in response you are going a completely different direction. The nature of the population growth of the state is that it very much needs an outflow of people.

Not politics or "red state vs blue state".

But feel free to carry on.

Tugg


Yes, and then I corrected your misinformation. The reason it costs more to rent a U-Haul from California to Texas than the other way around is because a lot more people are moving from California to Texas.

Period. Full stop. End of story.

You are welcome to your delusions about it having to do with the respective dimensions of California sleeper sofas or whatever nonsense you’re peddling, but you’re just factually wrong and I’m not interested in indulging your delusions Tugg.
 
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:25 am

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Really though, why shouldn't retail employees enjoy evenings like the privileged can? Why must big-box retailers be open until 10, 11pm or even 24 hours?

They need to be open those hours to avoid going bankrupt. Most households now have two wage earners. They can’t shop during regular working hours.

I’m sympathetic to the difficult hours retail employees work, but a job with lousy hours is better than no job at all.
 
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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:51 am

FreequentFlier wrote:
BN747 wrote:
FreequentFlier wrote:

Ok, I’ll bite. Why are moving vans from California to Texas, and from New York to Florida so much more expensive than the other way around?

We’ll wait.


You bit concrete...there's a huge (affordable) housing shortage in the LA area and SF.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/206 ... alifornia/
Resident population in California from 1960 to 2018 (in millions)
2018 - 39.56 million
2017 - 39.4 million
2016 - 39.21 million
2015 - 38.95 million
2014 - 38.63 million
...and the numbers decrease with each predceding year.

...but please continue chomping on Fox News (or whatever misdirecting source you 'bite' into) for your info, proving very healthy for your brain.

BN747


What you forgot to mention is that California’s population is only growing because it’s share of foreign born population is growing. Domestically there’s a big exodus of residents.

And you act as if California is this unwilling victim in the housing crisis.

Texas is growing much faster than California...and yet, it has no housing crisis. That’s not coincidence.


1) Tugg is right, you really haven't the slightest idea of what is happening here.

2) I don't know with death/birth ratio is...but people here aren't having kids anywhere near what they were 40 years ago. People everywhere (urban America) have done the math and having kids is very serious financial concern, and many aren't doing it..let a lone getting married.

3) The cost of living here is a huge deterrent..but people still keep coming - and they always will, it's California.

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Re: Do we need Communism in US?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:20 am

continental004 wrote:
seat64k wrote:
Why shouldn't retail employees enjoy evenings like the privileged can? Why do you think shops are open outside of business hours? When do you think the "privileged" who spend business hours working, can do their shopping?


Really though, why shouldn't retail employees enjoy evenings like the privileged can? Why must big-box retailers be open until 10, 11pm or even 24 hours?

You can shop online on your office computer if you "don't have time" or set your priorities straight and make time.



I’m part of your 1%.... I don’t shop at Best Buy at 10pm... hell, I haven’t been to Best Buy more then once in 5 years. Perhaps you should change careers or invest in your education? My wife and I paid for our educations, she grew up in an immigrant family, I grew up middle class. I just see a lot of jealousy in your posts... communism? Yeah, no thanks. I worked to make good money, my wife worked to make good money, and we pay a good amount of taxes. We’re not millionaires here man, we make a good living though and chose career paths accordingly.., her in the medical field and myself as an airline pilot. Instead of trying to fix the government system, maybe you should choose avenues to improve your own situation?

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