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Cruise ship passenger in hot water over a gun.

Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:39 pm

A responsible gun owner should know where their firearm is at all times..Why would one pack a gun in their luggage to go on a cruise? What is it with these novice gun owners that think a concealed weapon permit is their get out of jail free card?

Once in port on Feb. 3, the 68-year-old Madison, Wisconsin, woman got a notice that her third piece of luggage, which hadn't arrived with her flight from Wisconsin to Fort Lauderdale, had been found and flown down to the George Town airport.

But when McNeill-Skorupan went to pick it up, her vacation turned into an expensive lesson in how American gun rights don't always travel well, and that could land her in a foreign prison.

Inside that third bag, X-rays showed, was a .25 caliber handgun and six rounds of ammunition. Despite her claim of a Wisconsin concealed carry permit, in the Caymans, it was considered illegal possession of an unlicensed firearm
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Conviction carries a mandatory seven-year prison term upon a guilty plea, 10 years if convicted at trial — unless the court finds "exceptional circumstances."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/c ... 329753002/
 
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Re: Cruise ship passenger in hot water over a gun.

Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:26 pm

The link isn't working, but wow...did she not understand that the Caymans are not part of the US?
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Re: Cruise ship passenger in hot water over a gun.

Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:30 pm

DocLightning wrote:
The link isn't working, but wow...did she not understand that the Caymans are not part of the US?

The article say she claim she wanted to leave the guns at Florida
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:33 pm

c933103 wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
The link isn't working, but wow...did she not understand that the Caymans are not part of the US?

The article say she claim she wanted to leave the guns at Florida


Really? You can't just leave them in WI?
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Re: Cruise ship passenger in hot water over a gun.

Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:58 pm

DocLightning wrote:
The link isn't working, but wow...did she not understand that the Caymans are not part of the US?


Working link: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/a- ... ar-BBVuziS

It's a very interesting tone in the article, and there seems to be little respect for local laws. But they are hardly the first one. Like this man who failed to realize that US laws do not apply to Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqG0XmA2cvA
 
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Re: Cruise ship passenger in hot water over a gun.

Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:20 pm

c933103 wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
The link isn't working, but wow...did she not understand that the Caymans are not part of the US?

The article say she claim she wanted to leave the guns at Florida

I think she's grasping at straws at that point. If that bag was for a cruise, why did you need a gun with ammo in the first place? If the guns were meant to be left in FL, you'd think she would have booked extra time between her flight and the cruise (1-2 day minimum) to do whatever it was she was gonna do with the guns (sell, give them away, whatever).

Claiming ignorance by saying "I didn't know" simply doesn't cut it. Even if the Cayman Islands didn't nab her, the cruise probably would have.
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:33 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
c933103 wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
The link isn't working, but wow...did she not understand that the Caymans are not part of the US?

The article say she claim she wanted to leave the guns at Florida

I think she's grasping at straws at that point. If that bag was for a cruise, why did you need a gun with ammo in the first place? If the guns were meant to be left in FL, you'd think she would have booked extra time between her flight and the cruise (1-2 day minimum) to do whatever it was she was gonna do with the guns (sell, give them away, whatever).

Claiming ignorance by saying "I didn't know" simply doesn't cut it. Even if the Cayman Islands didn't nab her, the cruise probably would have.

Well, getting caught by the cruise ship will probably be a less severe offense, and given the nature of cruise ship, chances are that if it somehow make it onboard the ship in Florida they still wouldn't take it into countries they visit along the journey.
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Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:05 am

DocLightning wrote:
The link isn't working, but wow...did she not understand that the Caymans are not part of the US?


Yuh huh, they're like, it's a state, right?

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Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:09 am

c933103 wrote:
The article say she claim she wanted to leave the guns at Florida


Florida is the last place anyone should leave a gun!

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Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:47 am

The linked article is quite bizarre as it more or less fails to acknowledge that the Cayman Island are not a colony of the US where US law would apply. With the same line of reasoning, you could express bewilderment that non-US citizens are subject to the death penalty in the US despite being citizens of a country without the death penalty.
 
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Re: Cruise ship passenger in hot water over a gun.

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:09 am

she only wanted to export some democracy
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Re: Cruise ship passenger in hot water over a gun.

Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:28 pm

I started a thread on this after this one was posted, which was correctly closed and locked with a link to this one. Moderators, thank you for doing the right thing (it doesn't bother me at all), but the search feature didn't work at all trying to find this original thread.

That being said, this woman actually might be able to prove her case in a Cayman Islands court, as the bag was not originally checked to the Cayman Islands. It was checked only to Florida, where the gun is "legal".

However, she is in violation of U.S. law for not checking the gun properly:

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition

Had she done the right thing in the first place and told Delta she was carrying a gun - and put it in the locked case as required - Delta would have never sent that on ahead.

What are the penalties for someone who checks a gun unlocked into their baggage?
 
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Re: Cruise ship passenger in hot water over a gun.

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:25 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
What are the penalties for someone who checks a gun unlocked into their baggage?

Can't vouch for this, but this law firm claims;

For example, the TSA fine for undeclared or improperly packaged firearms discovered in checked luggage is $650 to $1,310. The fine for a loaded handgun found at a security checkpoint is $3,920 to $9,800.


The figures sounds like they are in the ball park.

https://zarembalawoffice.com/blogs/airp ... ut-trouble
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:44 pm

910A wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
What are the penalties for someone who checks a gun unlocked into their baggage?

Can't vouch for this, but this law firm claims;

For example, the TSA fine for undeclared or improperly packaged firearms discovered in checked luggage is $650 to $1,310. The fine for a loaded handgun found at a security checkpoint is $3,920 to $9,800.


The figures sounds like they are in the ball park.

https://zarembalawoffice.com/blogs/airp ... ut-trouble


Thanks for the information!

If the Cayman Islands doesn't go after her, Delta Airlines certainly should!!
 
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Re: Cruise ship passenger in hot water over a gun.

Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:58 am

Ugly American on overdrive !
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Re: Cruise ship passenger in hot water over a gun.

Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:33 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
I started a thread on this after this one was posted, which was correctly closed and locked with a link to this one. Moderators, thank you for doing the right thing (it doesn't bother me at all), but the search feature didn't work at all trying to find this original thread.

If you tried to perform the search function on the Civil Aviation forum board, then it will only be able to find posts that are on the civil aviation forum, whereas this thread is made on Non-Av board. You would need to search on the forum board index to search across all boards
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