A101 wrote:Dutchy wrote:A101 wrote:
You have no idea why I said yes, but continue on your little rant
So, mister, perhaps you want to enlighten us? Why did you say YES to suspending democracy to have your little Brexit.
Well its not a decision I take lightly and it does have serious implications and sets a dangerous precedent.
Firstly I don't think he will do it,
Secondly parliament voted to invoke A50 and knew the default position, if you don't like the default potential outcome then they should not have invoked
Thirdly it gives the PM some breathing space to actually go to Brussels to see if they will renegotiate the WA with out the noise of parliament jettisoning no deal,
Fourthly you wanted someone and parliament to make a stand and he's doing it and we will see a result one way or another.
With your second point, Parliament voted to trigger Article 50 in good faith that the government would negotiate a deal that would be acceptable to all. If it's clear the government negotiated a bad deal or it's clear that it's unworkable, or even rejected the WA multiple times, Parliament also has the right (and should) to intervene and set a new course. It also shows that both the government and Parliament should have thought this through and agreed upon what they want from the offset before triggering Article 50. Instead, we had soundbites such as "Brexit means Brexit", various interpretations being bandied around and time wasted by calling an election at both general and Conservative party levels.
That the WA has been rejected multiple times, no common consensus can be found besides a very narrow defeat for remaining in the customs union and no appetite for no deal suggests to me that nobody really knows what they want. It does not mean that Brexit must happen at any cost and especially by the end of October.
Remember, Parliament also has the right to immediately call for a vote of no confidence in the new PM and Johnson may not be in power for long if he pursues a no-deal Brexit or attempts to prorogue Parliament to achieve that. It's also not guaranteed that all Tory MP's will immediately fall in line and back the new PM in a snap VNC, particularly those who are not only prepared to vote against no deal but are also prepared to place a no confidence vote in order to stop no deal.
With your third point, that's academic because the EU have made it clear the WA will not be re-opened. The sooner some accept this, the sooner everyone can get on with it and work towards agreeing upon something that ensures parts of the WA that's a bone of contention for some such as the Irish backstop needn't be required. If people can't live with the backstop then at that point the penny should drop that Brexit at this time is unworkable and shouldn't be pursued.