So you don't even know if this will go through, so you don't even know if going out of the EU will get your "solution" through. Given that your solution will not solve the problem you identified, why did you even bring this up?
Actually you were the one who brought it up in the first place talking about standards, and how the UK will fall off a cliff. All I showed is how the UK can lower the cost of living pressures that EU standards impose on the UK within the beef products industry.
Sure, don't you want to live in utopia? Funny argumentation, indirect tax on lower socioeconomic groups. But let's not discuss our ideal society, that is way of topic and given you are on record to for a hard Brexit you are not routing for lower socioeconomic groups, they will bare the grunt of the problems, as they always do. So it looks a bit silly this line of argumentation.
you cant accept the fact that EU beef production costs are unnecessarily high because of those very standards, the US did provide the scientific evidence that hormone injected cattle is safe for consumption and the WTO ruled against the EU
ok, now I can't make out if you are serious or not? We are not talking about organic produced foods, we are talking about allowing to inject cows and the sort with hormones to stimulate meat "production" or in the case of Americans, chlorine chickens and there must be tons of other examples. We are talking about which minimal standards we want our foot to uphold. We are talking about a philosophy to have protection against harmful foot. EU philosophy - including the UK - says, you have to determent that it is safe and the US and probably Australia as well, until it is proven unsafe you can sell it.
Now, leaving organic food products at a side - not a large portion of the foot production, so we are talking about ordinary foot products. So you effectively want to have a third production line: 1. organic, 2. EU regulated, 3. a broad range of products which will obey all kinds of regulation from other countries. Talking about taking back control.
Go look at EU beef food standards and then go look at organic beef production and you tell me the difference
What will happen, as has happened in all kinds of other products, we will see current UK farmers getting to the lower standards, simply because that will be the standard people buy the most. I happen to think that is not good and the UK citizens deserve to be protected, but that is just me. #taking back control?
Yep it certainty is taking back control as the consumer will have a choice, which actually lowers the food cost in the UK
Had to look up what pdq meant, Pretty Darn Quick. Alright, now this interesting. This isn't scaremongering, this is fact, unless you strike a deal you will resort to playing in the 4th division. Current trade with other nations then the EU is governed by trade agreements of the EU, you will loose them all! Actually your argument is the nonsense "they need us more, then we need them".
Merkel is on record that the integrity of the EU is far more important than saving the UK from itself. Only a fool bets on this.
Yes I'm saying once we leave EU/UK will tie up a FTA pdq because the trade negotiators that will want to avoid a collapse of current trade, EU has a trade surplus with the UK which means you sell more to us then we sell to you the EU cannot afford to lose that, Germany alone has an excess of trade 50B least alone any other country, you think these smaller economy will wont to jeopardise that, your living in la la land there's talk from Merkel and there living in the real world and she knows which side her bread is buttered, as the EU knows that others will be chomping at the bit to increase their own exports at the expense of the EU
Excellent examples. Jordan versus America, what do you think Jordan actually achieved in this. I thought we were talking about a serious FTS were the UK was going to exploit all its strength, my bad, you are talking about taking any deal that is on the table and just give everything away. #taking back control?
No, I have shown you are incorrect when you said it will take 10 years to do a trade deal with the US, what I have shown is the average time it takes to do a deal with the US, nor am I talking about taking any trade deal that the US offers, besides any deal will not leave us worse off as the EU does not have an FTA with the USA, did you forget about that little bit of info?
Ok, working conditions are a supply and demand story? Wages too? Thought you are all in favor of the lower socioeconomic classes, guess that is all a farce.
Its a known fact that limited labour supply can increase wages across multiple industries to either attract workers or to attract a better class of skilled worker, that's why you will find some plumbers earn more money than doctors.
You are in favor of the hardest form of free market capitalism, everything should be covered by capitalism and everything is well. Ok, read a book, read some academic papers on this and you will educate yourself what it actually means what you are advocating here.
Get a gripe will ya, go grab a cup of tea, and a Bex, and a good lie down you might feel better
Hint, it is not the sort of country I want to live my life in. And is certainly very bad news for lower socioeconomic classes.
Well you might be in for a rude shock as the 2017 Economic Freedom of the World Index, listed the top 50 capitalist countries as UK (8th) and the Netherlands (17th)
So your post fails spectaculair on two fronts:
- will put socioeconomic groups in a disadvantage position
- in your "plan" you will give a tremendous amount of "control" to other countries
Well just because you said it then you must be right...……….. but low socioeconomic groups can always rise in stature easier in a capitalist market by up skilling, and our markets will always be under UK control as you know that importers have to meet that nations own standards/regulations in whatever industry the imports are for and range from food production to the standard a new car needs to be, and the UK government will be setting those standard/regulations to meet UK needs, that's what's called TAKING BACK CONTROL means.