We are not talking about the way slaves were treated after they were sold, this is a completely different discussion. Matter of fact is that until it is acknowledged that blacks (and Arabs) profited from the slave trade there is no point in further discussing this. This is historic revisionism and is best portrayed by your one sided approach to this topic. For example, you have not mentioned once that slavery and slave trade was legal in Ethiopia until the Italians abolished it in the 1930s. Why are we ignoring slavery among blacks? Maybe because it goes to show that selling their fellow blacks to whites is not such a controversial topic for them since it was already common practice?
Like I wrote much earlier, blacks have no right to ask for reparitions from any white country until they do the same from black and Arab countries that took part in it as well.
First off, the topic is the case of Reparations USA...look at the heading above.
Where the damage done is evident for everyone not blind, the direct and very descendants of American slave victims walk past you everyday., sitting at a coffee shop next to you, library, bus, plane, etc.
They still suffer greatly from the everything negatively associated with the former legal practice in America.
The projects I suggested to you (like everything) has a beginning and an end.
Both discuss the practice used to make slavery in the West possible.
You are try and push this notion that slave trading was a nice neat practice like trading postage stamps, I don't know where you got this nice fuzzy version of the practice which is completely the opposite of what actually occurred.
As you stated above, you wish the first known slave traders Arabs/Africans be punished first. Go ahead, Identify them. Who do you see today as result of that past horror? How are their lives affected by this past you point out? Make the case.
Then the Moors raiding and damaging, enslaving whomever in southern Europe. - Identify them. Make their case.
Then European transcontinental acts of your 'friendly' slavery -where millions dies for a multitude of reason that you pass off as largely harmless.
Which brings us to the USA case and you feeling there's no need to address America's dark past which is closest to us than all that you hold as 'not worth it'.
American slavery can be touched, it's right here..photos, narratives, transactional records, etc.
The words you speak are the words that all past slave owners would employ (in a court today) if forced to defend their acts, by justifying their past acts that resulted in man’s inhumanity to man’s worst case scenario. Those acts were driven by only one thing..unchained greed. And permitted by law.Warning
Lecture starts here.
The cause of such unparalleled greed and avarice applies to all empires, kingdoms, nations that sanctioned the trade - from today’s permitted practice beck to the American slavery area as well that European acts, Arab transgressions, African practices as well. The fault lies entirely with those that allowed it. And each had prominent naysayers of the trade/practice who risked & lost all credibility and wealth by doing so such as Thomas Paine.
Today’s practice, inhumanity aside, exist only because of profit, Nothing else.
It is tolerated because it’s not you, your family, etc…you are removed. But there is more to it, throughout every period where slavery was in effect, it’s a special kind of human to make it possible, a special kind of BAD people/persons. It’s a top->down operation versus a bottom->Top operation. Meaning powerful forces keep it going, using the same methods since the beginning of time. Entice the most desperate/conquered of our species via force, hunger, any abject condition draped by desperation.
Those who profit from and drive the practice range on the extreme end of a human-to-inhumane scale.
Where are you on the scale?…easy, your posted comments tell us.
Your empathy rates under the 5 mid point aimed at the worst standing - zero empathy.
Such are the darkest hearted people walking the planet and have been since the first human murder *a conscuious mind taking the life of another).
A dark heart is achieved by overcoming the compelled feeling to say ‘I’m sorry’ when one has done wrong: Seen or exposed to such wrongs and but choose to dismiss it, make excuse for or completely ignore wrong acts and wrong doings. It's what you (and similar expressed opinions) are doing. You are sharing your lack of empathy.
I never truly understood such people until an event I experienced a few years ago. I really didn’t think I’d meet one up close and personal in my life time.
Awhile back near an apartment I resided in, a new neighbor had moved on the block and word spread quickly of her having an aggressive Great Dane. Most of the area contained small dog owners along with many middle aged/elder women. I meant and befriended the Great Dane owner, even offered get her dog to become comfortable with little dogs such as mine (who and I’m not kidding here..is the most popular, friendliest little furry critter a mile of more in each direction - even the cops love the little guy). After a month or so the Great Dane became less and less aggressive due to some stern admonishment, I also worked her into the comaraderie of neighbors/dog owners crowd (mostly Jewish as was she-and boy did she prize that). After nearly a year, on or off drugs or drink or both while walking her dog, the Great Dane attacked a friend’s poodle (they both had previously instantly bonded over the Jewish line). I was summoned and took my friend her dog to the vet and sat and comforted her most of the night. That incident dinged her checking account for 5K. I wondered to myself that night - when I saw Great Dane chick, what could she possibly have to say after all that plus never bothered calling my/her friend’s to ask about her dog and to apologize.
I decided to terminate the friendship with Great Dane chick for allowing too much time (48 hours) to past without an apology nor an acknowledgment of fault. Which also meant an end to training the Great Dane to be comfortable with smaller dogs.
It happened again 4 month’s later.
And 3rd time 2 months after that, this time my closest friend in the area (she watches my pet when I’m out of town) I spent the night her at the vet again and this one was 26K in damages. A never an apology or acknowledgement. It ended with a court action and eviction of Great Dane chick.
Lack of Empathy. That is the game and means they sail thru on the life they live, by choice,
I still wonder how on earth can a seemingly sane person, a talented, formally educated and family of means produce such a creature? I’m still trying to sort out the mindset of such a person. The ‘I will Never Say I’m Sorry - For Anything’ crowd is a very real thing, very real people. And their numbers are larger than most believe. They are the enablers of humans evil and atrocities against one another. And their numbers increase the further back in time to you visit. Closer and closer to our animal nature and instincts.
Their tepid supporters or justifying agents fall somewhere below the ‘5’ midpoint to 1 range depending on their expressed opinions, they know exactly where they stand. They know because they are currently (and silently) profiting from Private Prisons which are warehouses for those unable to mount a defense. Anyone participating will say nothing here…just profit in silence and they are okay with that arrangement. Again, it’s someone else ..not them being caged with poor, little or unable to mount no defense. They are no difference than the investors of slave shipping companies and auctioneers. Their defenders - the ‘it’s the law’ crowd are equally at fault where their failing of logic and reason overrides and disables their own humanity. Human made laws are always crafted and enforced to someone’s benefit and someone’s misfortune in most cases and are their for very capable of being unjust, unfair and inhumane, Such was the case in America - state sanctioned slavery with enforcement laws covering the entire nation.
Those voicing opposition to any acts of reconciliations, restitution, apology, forms of reparation are closer to the 1 on the sliding scale of Humane-to-Inhumane than the 'Humane' end.
Their shared thoughts reveal their acceptance on inhumane acts, even those past (because as I said, were past slaveholders alive today they would use the arguments these people are making to justify their acts)…which is what those here have been doing for them.
That proof is reflected here all the time, (stated again and again voiced here on the forum) in their attacks on the undocumented. Again, desperate people fleeing violence, unstable homelands, etc while the ‘it’s the law’ crowd sees their nations as a burning building and a border wall is like bolting the doors shut so they are left to fend for themselves with no way out.
The voices in both cases are of the same strips, conservative in nature.
That conservative mind allows the ‘X’ing out of certain other humans when designated as ‘undesirables’.
That conservative mind is okay with humans cruelty towards others and very easily so. That thread of thought remains unbreakable harking back centuries.
The Liberal mind seeks out solutions to improve the human condition, they realize we are all in this together.
That conservative mind does not. They do not see themselves in the same boat as the desperate, undocumenteds, the unfortunate - and while hating those groups they’ll swear they are followers of their Jesus, Yahweh, Mohammed whoever…
That is why the liberal mind pulls away from such an egregious conflict.
That conservative mind has high tolerance for inhumanity. We do not.
They argue Hitler, Stalin. Mussolini, Pol Pot, Mao, Amin, etc did all their killing because they were atheist.
If that’s true then Hitler/Stalin did it because they was WHITE!
Mao, Tojo and Pol Pot did so because they were ASIAN!
Amin did his killing because he was BLACK!
They did in pursuit of one thing, Power and Lack of Empathy always makes it easier and possible to occur in the first place.
..their skin color had no more to do with their heinous acts than what marbles were bouncing around in their skulls as far religion goes.
They were BLACK-hearted humans.
They had NO Empathy.
You people with zero Empathy for those seeking a better life or your ability to be comfortable with past wrongs/crimes against humanity…are NO Different.
The only difference is those guys had power. You do not. But both given the means will execute.
But you have vote power, it’s power in quantized measures, but power nonetheless…I guess it explains the heroes of the Non-Empathetics such as Limbaugh, Falwell, Reagan, Steve King, David Duke, Louis Farrakhan, Louie Gohmert, Jim Jordan, tRump Family, Bush Family, all the way back to the first killing of Native Americans. It is a linear mentality unbroken, the savage kind of the human animal.
The demise of humankind will succumb to inhumanity before it is done in by an extinction event asteroid.
The Unlearned, those who have no appreciation, no respect, no concern of where humanity has been equally have no appreciation, no respect, no concern of where humanity is going.
The Unlearned are those who learned and separated themselves from the ignorance (which is origin of us all) and at a point of fear (unfolded or not), selfishness, greed and avarice extreme…rescind back into ideas of ignorance, by choice. They don’t want to see any more, they don’t want to know anymore, they don’t learn anymore.
Short term thought..or conservative thought, does not account for such accommodations. It is not important to them. Only the now is important to them and any future sees ‘only them’. It is what conservative means…it does not mean inclusiveness, their is no ‘we are in this together’ mentality for them.
Thus their lack of Empathy.
I expect a multitude of attacks and that’s okay (because it comes from ignorance and hatred - not factual stats nor empirical evidence) at least you know who you are.
I seek out any enlightened or intelligent conservative to the explain how their theoretical ideology aims toward the betterment of mankind in any way, shape or form. I actually don’t expect anLecture complete-
"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson