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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Thu May 16, 2019 10:21 am

In case you don't notice Dutchy, there is something called Olympic Games in Paris 2024. There are already enormous transformations incoming :)
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:28 am

Some saying years to recovery, etc...

...and less than 2 months later..

The Notre-Dame cathedral will host its first mass this weekend since a fire ravaged

https://www.france24.com/en/20190611-fr ... first-mass

...all the mass hysteria and tears? For what? :stirthepot:

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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:07 pm

The home page for Notre Dame does not seem, at first reading, a good source for all of the architectural engineering nerdy wonky stuff that I would like to read. Anybody have better links? I suspect one of the French news media might be better.
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:02 am

BN747 wrote:
Some saying years to recovery, etc...

...and less than 2 months later..

The Notre-Dame cathedral will host its first mass this weekend since a fire ravaged

https://www.france24.com/en/20190611-fr ... first-mass

...all the mass hysteria and tears? For what? :stirthepot:

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Fair use excerpt from the article
Just 20 people are expected to take part, including priests and canons from the cathedral.


Did you read it? (I already know the answer and I also know your answer).
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:24 am

DocLightning wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Some saying years to recovery, etc...

...and less than 2 months later..

The Notre-Dame cathedral will host its first mass this weekend since a fire ravaged

https://www.france24.com/en/20190611-fr ... first-mass

...all the mass hysteria and tears? For what? :stirthepot:

BN747


Fair use excerpt from the article
Just 20 people are expected to take part, including priests and canons from the cathedral.


Did you read it? (I already know the answer and I also know your answer).


Then why asked the question??? Oh.. :stirthepot:

...my only point is 'services have once again been restored'...that's it. True or false?

I could careless if the drapes don't match. Actually, I could careless if services were held in a tent, airports have accommodated more in much less.


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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:18 pm

There are enough churches in Paris to accommodate the flock 10 times over, as pretty much nobody goes to church these days. If people used to go to mass there, there was a reason. And service is not restored for them.
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:36 pm

There is a second design using glass - closer to the original design.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ ... ame-glass/

The best part of this design is the night view (top pic in the article).

The problem with glass (besides weight) is the fact that the locals will hate it t the start - just like they hated the glass pyramid at the Louvre. The pyramid is now considered a landmark for tourists and is also pretty effective in helping the management of tourist flows.
 
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:29 pm

I think the glass would need to be less reflective, and likely a bronze or grayer color. The 'roof' of cathedrals generally have not been their more conspicuous features. A modern roof needs to follow that convention.
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:05 pm

So far, Americans have been footing most of the restoration bills as the large French donors who made the big splashes are not interested in paying for the mundane things, such as paying the staff cleaning up 300 tons of lead roofing...

The Friends of Notre Dame de Paris was founded in 2017, and its president, Michel Picaud, estimates that 90% of the donations it has received have come from American donors.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business ... story.html
 
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:16 am

How long will it take before Notre Dame can be reopened to tourists.
 
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:13 am

Probably 5-7 years
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:19 am

Olddog wrote:
Probably 5-7 years


where do you get this estimate from? Not saying you are wrong, just interested.
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:47 am

Well I have an advantage on you, I can hear french tv all the time :)
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:53 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... e=Homepage

Here is a NYT article on the night of the fire. The Cathedral came far closer to collapsing than prior news reports have said. The fire alarm system was unduly technical and dysfunctional. Firemen were not alerted until 30 minutes after the first incoherent alarm went off. An hour or two into the fire fight, the crew saw that the North Tower and 8 heavy bells were in danger of collapsing, which could have started a cataclysmic collapse.

The Cathedral remains vulnerable to collapse. That heavy wood/lead structure balances the weights of other parts of the structure, and the building remains dangerous to workers.
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:34 pm

So the latest news I heard is that they spent the last month decontaminating the site and will work to consolidate and protect it. It should last until around 2022 before the next step can be made without danger.
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:37 pm

Olddog wrote:
So the latest news I heard is that they spent the last month decontaminating the site and will work to consolidate and protect it. It should last until around 2022 before the next step can be made without danger.


2022? Seems like a long time to just wait.

Decontamination was done in the surrounding streets right? It was in the news here as well, lots of lead was used in the construction so that needed to be cleaned before schools, businesses and homes were reopened for business. What are the other dangers?
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:33 pm

As I understand major parts of the building remain in danger of collapse. Nothing immanent, but at the same time it should not be discounted. There were hundreds of tons of lead on the roof in the form of what might be called shingles and maybe other parts re-directing water to the ground. That lead created forces which were counteracted by other parts of the building, including the famous flying buttresses. So the building is now seriously out of balance. As I mentioned earlier I have searched for a blog covering all of this and there doesn't seem to be any. Many of us would be interested in detailed and technical ongoing news about this.
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:31 pm

I wonder if they need to basically build a temporary roof to help that problem, then build the final roof bit by bit, removing the temporary one along the way.
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:58 am

Aesma wrote:
I wonder if they need to basically build a temporary roof to help that problem, then build the final roof bit by bit, removing the temporary one along the way.

Surely this is a given, as the site will have to be protected from the elements as the painstaking restoration work starts?
 
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Re: Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:24 am

Exactly. They will first build a temporary structure to protect and secure what is left. It is not an easy task due to the size and the fact that the surroundings are full of other buildings.
Only after that they will start the real rebuilding.
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