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Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:33 pm

So here is my thoughts on this...
Doing the night shift and loosing my head regarding some of the co-workers. Let me put is this way. The new staff (born 2000 and up) are more idiotic than the guy/girl next to them. Its like they need a calculator for 2+3 and then asking around if 5 is the correct answer. It's like no one wants to take responsibility for any of their actions.

Is the 80's generation the last good generation? The generation that can still think for them self's, the generation that can do their job without the supervision of a senior?

Is it just me...or am I still trapped in the old school way of doing things?

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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:57 pm

I'm pretty sure you're just mistaking being young and dumb as being a real generational deficiency.
 
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:04 pm

The older generations did it to us Millennials, now it's the iGens turn to be the poster child of stupidity.
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:05 pm

Young and dumb 20 years ago compared to today I think is way different. One smack to the head from your dad those days was all that you needed, now you have to sit the kids down and talk to them real nice and explain to them what they did wrong, while they are facetweeting or what ever they call it these days.
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:27 pm

I remember when I was that age (oh, gawd.... did I just say that????) I did the exact same thing. I questioned if 2+2=4 or if the sky was blue or anything. It is a huge wake up call going from "I know everything" in high school to "oh, crap! I don't know anything!" in the real world.

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I work with two 19 year old boys. One is faking his confidence and does not do much of anything, the other had his "oh crap!" moment and is completely shook. I feel bad for both of them, but they need to learn this, just like the rest of us did!
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:34 pm

The other day a friend remarked that his car was 4,000 miles over the yearly lease plan at $0.15 pe4 mile. I was driving and quickly said, “well, that’s $600”. He said, “it can’t be that much” and wiped out his phone and was amazed I had the answer like that. He also didn’t know if his upcoming birthday made him 41 or 42, “how does that work”?

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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:04 am

Maloak33 wrote:
So here is my thoughts on this...
Doing the night shift and loosing my head regarding some of the co-workers. Let me put is this way. The new staff (born 2000 and up) are more idiotic than the guy/girl next to them. Its like they need a calculator for 2+3 and then asking around if 5 is the correct answer. It's like no one wants to take responsibility for any of their actions.

Is the 80's generation the last good generation? The generation that can still think for them self's, the generation that can do their job without the supervision of a senior?

Is it just me...or am I still trapped in the old school way of doing things?

Mal.


Among my generation that was born in the early 80s, I'd say at least half I worked with who were still in high school or fresh out (the same age you describe for those born in 2000 and later) at that time were just as irresponsible and couldn't properly function without supervision. Among those who I've distantly kept up with since, they've all seemed to manage to become "productive" members of society in one form or another. I will add that those who at that time had the poorer work-ethic almost always had attended the expensive private schools, and generally didn't seem to need the small income from the job while driving around in flashy, relatively expensive new cars paid for by mommy and daddy. (They seemed to be working because they were forced to get a job by their parents, not because they needed to.) The rest of us who had humble upbringings, went to public schools, and whose first few cars were worth less than a tank of gas (never mind filling them up completely when you were counting quarters for gas money) never seemed to have a problem getting the work done with little assistance.

Today's upcoming generation in the workplace will be no different...Those who value their purpose for being there will "get it" and likely excel, while those who are there just for the sake of satisfying mommy and daddy will resent it and act accordingly.
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:48 am

I have a colleague who is a bit older than that since he has an engineering degree, so something like 24-25 yo, and he's properly useless, always fiddling his phone. I can't understand how he still has a job.
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:34 am

Maloak33 wrote:
loosing


Maloak33 wrote:
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Maloak33 wrote:
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Your criticism of their poor mental arithmetic skills is littered with grammar/spelling errors. :duck:
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:36 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The other day a friend remarked that his car was 4,000 miles over the yearly lease plan at $0.15 pe4 mile. I was driving and quickly said, “well, that’s $600”. He said, “it can’t be that much” and wiped out his phone and was amazed I had the answer like that. He also didn’t know if his upcoming birthday made him 41 or 42, “how does that work”?

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And then you have the baby boomers who watch Fox News, believe everything they read on Facebook, and vote for Trump. Stupidity knows no bounds. ;)
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:04 pm

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GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The other day a friend remarked that his car was 4,000 miles over the yearly lease plan at $0.15 pe4 mile. I was driving and quickly said, “well, that’s $600”. He said, “it can’t be that much” and wiped out his phone and was amazed I had the answer like that. He also didn’t know if his upcoming birthday made him 41 or 42, “how does that work”?

GF


And then you have the baby boomers who watch Fox News, believe everything they read on Facebook, and vote for Trump. Stupidity knows no bounds. ;)


Not much different from your generation who watch MSNBC believe everything Rachel Madcow says, vote for for old socialist from VT, and believe everything on Facebook, too
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:25 pm

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bgm wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The other day a friend remarked that his car was 4,000 miles over the yearly lease plan at $0.15 pe4 mile. I was driving and quickly said, “well, that’s $600”. He said, “it can’t be that much” and wiped out his phone and was amazed I had the answer like that. He also didn’t know if his upcoming birthday made him 41 or 42, “how does that work”?

GF


And then you have the baby boomers who watch Fox News, believe everything they read on Facebook, and vote for Trump. Stupidity knows no bounds. ;)


Not much different from your generation who watch MSNBC believe everything Rachel Madcow says, vote for for old socialist from VT, and believe everything on Facebook, too


Anyone with any intelligence avoids both networks.
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:31 pm

Maloak33 wrote:
So here is my thoughts on this...
Doing the night shift and loosing my head regarding some of the co-workers. Let me put is this way. The new staff (born 2000 and up) are more idiotic than the guy/girl next to them. Its like they need a calculator for 2+3 and then asking around if 5 is the correct answer. It's like no one wants to take responsibility for any of their actions.

Is the 80's generation the last good generation? The generation that can still think for them self's, the generation that can do their job without the supervision of a senior?

Is it just me...or am I still trapped in the old school way of doing things?

Mal.


New staff born in 2000 and up? What are you expecting ? Rocket scientists? These kids are either still in high school, just graduated , or off to college to get skills. The ones that are working right now, are looking for guidance as they try to understand the working world from the theoretical world they have been in for years.
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:49 pm

Maloak33 wrote:
So here is my thoughts on this...
Doing the night shift and loosing my head regarding some of the co-workers. Let me put is this way. The new staff (born 2000 and up) are more idiotic than the guy/girl next to them. Its like they need a calculator for 2+3 and then asking around if 5 is the correct answer. It's like no one wants to take responsibility for any of their actions.

Is the 80's generation the last good generation? The generation that can still think for them self's, the generation that can do their job without the supervision of a senior?

Is it just me...or am I still trapped in the old school way of doing things?

Mal.

As someone who straddles the igen and millenial generations I would just like to point out that at the ambulance company that I work at, one of the worst partners I ever worked with was from the 80s generation. Somehow he lasted 3 years at the ambulance company despite constantly taking patients to the wrong nursing homes, micromanaging his partner's (he would make them load the stretcher his way and rewrite paperwork to NIMS 200 terminology, when none of us were trained in it/required to use it), and even being borderline abusive with trainees (they finally fired him when he was caught kicking trainees in the stomach).
Some of the best partners I have had are members of my generation- they are still passionate about what they do and actually care about their patient.
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:50 pm

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bgm wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The other day a friend remarked that his car was 4,000 miles over the yearly lease plan at $0.15 pe4 mile. I was driving and quickly said, “well, that’s $600”. He said, “it can’t be that much” and wiped out his phone and was amazed I had the answer like that. He also didn’t know if his upcoming birthday made him 41 or 42, “how does that work”?

GF


And then you have the baby boomers who watch Fox News, believe everything they read on Facebook, and vote for Trump. Stupidity knows no bounds. ;)


Not much different from your generation who watch MSNBC believe everything Rachel Madcow says, vote for for old socialist from VT, and believe everything on Facebook, too


Madcow? Did you come up with that yourself or was it something you read on Facebook? :duck:
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:04 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
bgm wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The other day a friend remarked that his car was 4,000 miles over the yearly lease plan at $0.15 pe4 mile. I was driving and quickly said, “well, that’s $600”. He said, “it can’t be that much” and wiped out his phone and was amazed I had the answer like that. He also didn’t know if his upcoming birthday made him 41 or 42, “how does that work”?

GF


And then you have the baby boomers who watch Fox News, believe everything they read on Facebook, and vote for Trump. Stupidity knows no bounds. ;)


Not much different from your generation who watch MSNBC believe everything Rachel Madcow says, vote for for old socialist from VT, and believe everything on Facebook, too


If you think the younger generation still use Facebook you really are out of touch my friend. Facebook has been, in my experience, completely abandoned by Millennials and I believe there's quite a bit of data to back that up.
 
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:26 am

Almost every older generation in recent history has had some degree of resentment towards younger generations. I think it's just part of being a human. Don't judge your young coworkers too harshly. They don't have as much education, job experience, or life experience as you do. They also grew up in different circumstances than you did. Keep in mind that you were their age once too. What did older folks think of young folks back when you were young? They probably were often not impressed.

For example, it's generally known that the Great Generation absolutely loathed Baby Boomers and Gen X'ers when they were young. Now the Boomers and Gen X'ers have a disdain for Millennials and Gen Z, and I know Millennials who dislike Gen Z. The circle of life continues.
 
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:03 am

The younger generation have forever been useless and going to be the downfall of society, there really is no issue.

The thing that really makes me laugh is the posts on facebook
"Mine was the last generation to stay out till dark, the last ones that could fall off a bike and get back on while still bleeding, the last ones to walk to school without being in an SUV"
Well then Nora, for fucks sake let your kids out the house, let them ride a bike and STOP TAKING THEM TO SCHOOL IN YOUR SUV!

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Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:09 pm

KentB27 wrote:
Almost every older generation in recent history has had some degree of resentment towards younger generations. I think it's just part of being a human. Don't judge your young coworkers too harshly. They don't have as much education, job experience, or life experience as you do. They also grew up in different circumstances than you did. Keep in mind that you were their age once too. What did older folks think of young folks back when you were young? They probably were often not impressed.

For example, it's generally known that the Great Generation absolutely loathed Baby Boomers and Gen X'ers when they were young. Now the Boomers and Gen X'ers have a disdain for Millennials and Gen Z, and I know Millennials who dislike Gen Z. The circle of life continues.


All this proves is humans’ slow development and relative disadvantage. We are intelligent enough to attain wisdom, reflect on things and occasionally pass on knowledge - but too many never do and significant portions of life are wasted ‘finding oneself’ and neglecting to strike a balance between seeking help and rejecting rigidity from older generations/traditions. We need to get many more math whizzes and engineering minds into the fray to propel quantum computing and neural networks into the next phase to free ourselves from the back cars holding up the train.
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:26 pm

We complain about younger generations, yet the boomers keep screwing us over and over again.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:43 pm

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We complain about younger generations, yet the boomers keep screwing us over and over again.


Exactly. "Boomer Congress" saddles younger generations with trillions in debt while stuffing their own pockets with fat cat health care deals and pensions.

The average age of Members of the House at the beginning of the 115th Congress was 57.8 years; of Senators, 61.8 years, among the oldest in U.S. history.


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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:59 pm

Interesting topic, let me just dig through all the scientific sources you use to support your claim...

I meet with my grandmother every now and then (she is 88), and she tells me how her generation was scorned by the one before her, for being lazy, dumb, and too accustomed to luxury.

Please, this "the young generation is inferior to the older generation because of X and Y"-discussion is ridiculous to say the least...
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Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:10 pm

Well, remember that the "average IQ" in the world is somewhere in the high 80's to low 90's.... soo.. half the people have a IQ lower than that. And this is normal and natural.

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Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:21 pm

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Well, remember that the "average IQ" in the world is somewhere in the high 80's to low 90's.... soo.. half the people have a IQ lower than that. And this is normal and natural.

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Actually IQ tests are weighted to have an average of 100. The real question is which way the weight is going.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:40 pm

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Well, remember that the "average IQ" in the world is somewhere in the high 80's to low 90's.... soo.. half the people have a IQ lower than that. And this is normal and natural.

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Actually IQ tests are weighted to have an average of 100. The real question is which way the weight is going.

It is going down (due to the massive increase in population in areas with lower "average IQ")
http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/

But areas with more educational structure have seen increasing IQ over the years.
https://ourworldindata.org/intelligence

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Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:54 pm

If you mean the more technologically advancements we are swamped with ...the dumber consumer humans become...then yes, you are correct.

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If you mean the more technologically advancements we are swamped with ...the dumber consumer humans become...then yes, you are correct.

Yet the data shows the opposite of your statement.

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Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:13 pm

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If you mean the more technologically advancements we are swamped with ...the dumber consumer humans become...then yes, you are correct.

Yet the data shows the opposite of your statement.

Tugg


Yep, but you pulled back the covers on your thoughts of millennials and iGens...

Choose a lane dude, they both can’t be correct.

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Tugger wrote:
BN747 wrote:
If you mean the more technologically advancements we are swamped with ...the dumber consumer humans become...then yes, you are correct.

Yet the data shows the opposite of your statement.

Tugg


Yep, but you pulled back the covers on your thoughts of millennials and iGens...

Choose a lane dude, they both can’t be correct.

BN747

?

I definitely missed something. I don't think older generations are smarter than the current generation nor that newer generations are any dumber than the older generation. I do think that half to more than half of any generation is not that bright (naturally so).

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If you mean the more technologically advancements we are swamped with ...the dumber consumer humans become...then yes, you are correct.

Yet the data shows the opposite of your statement.

Tugg


I find that I can still do most manual arithmetic and also work different computer and smart phone operating systems. I can read and write cursive and read and write modern slang. I think we are seeing evolution.

I have to confess that I have forgotten how do long division by hand if the divisor is more than two digits.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:29 pm

The one problem I have learned having worked for 20 years in the same career is that sometimes the old timers drag too much of their experiences forward, and fail to grasp what is a new and better way to do things. It was actually one hell of a blessing when I had my hard drive obliterated a few years ago and i lost most of my notes. I was forced to resign myself to learning new things again instead of relying on some old note. In some cases I rediscovered old ways, but in others I found more effective ways forward in my career.

Much of the malignancy in the older generations is that the newer generations can't see the benefit of being locked in under old ways, when they are taught newer and better ways in school. Then the older generation gets frustrated because most of which they saw as basic stuff from school, no longer exists in schools because it was replaced.

The younger generation has some extremely intelligent talent coming forward, and it is on the older generation to learn from that talent, and let them learn from you.
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Tugger wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Yet the data shows the opposite of your statement.

Tugg


Yep, but you pulled back the covers on your thoughts of millennials and iGens...

Choose a lane dude, they both can’t be correct.

BN747

?

I definitely missed something. I don't think older generations are smarter than the current generation nor that newer generations are any dumber than the older generation. I do think that half to more than half of any generation is not that bright (naturally so).

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You missed nothing, the gist of your opening the topic is ‘younger generations are incapable of using their brains...correct?

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I definitely missed something. I don't think older generations are smarter than the current generation nor that newer generations are any dumber than the older generation. I do think that half to more than half of any generation is not that bright (naturally so).

Tugg


You missed nothing, the gist of your opening the topic is ‘younger generations are incapable of using their brains...correct?

Actually no. I was trying to just share regarding IQ, that half of any population is "below average" (which I know is the function of an average). And that is and always will be the case.

I don't consider myself to be that smart, I know too many people way smarter that I am. However I do know that I am supposedly "above average IQ" and have met enough people in me life to get that there are a lot of people dumber than me (I know, a rude way to say that ;-) ). So therein lies the rub.

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Sure there are lazy and less than dedicated people, but that exists at every generation.

Exactly! :yes:

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Don't forget the Old/Young Millennial split at the time of the introduction of the A320-200.
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So here is my thoughts on this...
Doing the night shift and loosing my head regarding some of the co-workers. Let me put is this way. The new staff (born 2000 and up) are more idiotic than the guy/girl next to them. Its like they need a calculator for 2+3 and then asking around if 5 is the correct answer. It's like no one wants to take responsibility for any of their actions.

Is the 80's generation the last good generation? The generation that can still think for them self's, the generation that can do their job without the supervision of a senior?

Is it just me...or am I still trapped in the old school way of doing things?



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Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:58 am

I feel the need to point out (from the established statistical definitions) the '80s' covers two generations (one year of Gen X and 81-89 is all defined as Millennial). Also, the oldest anyone born 2000 or later could be is 19, I'd ask myself how sure, confident and independent you were at 19. At 19 many still don't feel equal to adults and are just learning that it okay to make decisions and take responsibility for anything. Especially after the style of parenting they have received from you guessed it, parents likely born in the 1970s or 1980s. Sincerely, an adult born in the 1990s.
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:31 pm

I was born in 1980 and graduated in 1999. My generation was pretty dumb compared to prior generations. The “everybody’s a winner. There all no losers” mentality started when I was a kid in the late 1980s. Its progressed ten fold! Everybody under 30 thinks they’re Gods gift to society. And you can’t hurt their self esteem.

I’m not sure what they learn in public schools? As far as I can tell from meeting and working with recent high school grads, little? A lot of them have also lost the ability to communicate and have people skills, as more communication and socialization is done by the phone glued to their face constantly rather than face to face interaction.

And they look so silly in the skinny jeans! Wearing those makes me question their judgement! As well as the tattoo epidemic.
 
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:50 pm

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
I was born in 1980 and graduated in 1999. My generation was pretty dumb compared to prior generations. The “everybody’s a winner. There all no losers” mentality started when I was a kid in the late 1980s. Its progressed ten fold! Everybody under 30 thinks they’re Gods gift to society. And you can’t hurt their self esteem.

I’m not sure what they learn in public schools? As far as I can tell from meeting and working with recent high school grads, little? A lot of them have also lost the ability to communicate and have people skills, as more communication and socialization is done by the phone glued to their face constantly rather than face to face interaction.

And they look so silly in the skinny jeans! Wearing those makes me question their judgement! As well as the tattoo epidemic.


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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:55 am

Sure it is the last good generation.
And 1983 is the last good year.
And 31st of December is the very last good day.
So I'm the very last good guy, apart of someone being born after 8AM, lol
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:57 pm

for me personally i find the kids born late 90's early 00's don't respect people like we did (born in 65 by the way )though people i know born 70's 80's also respect others like you should ,over here in France i did national service (even though i was born in England to a french dad)since it's stopped it's turned to the pits as you say stateside ,I've been told often what well brought up children i have (a girl 20,two boys 18 and 13),i just say it's the way all kids should be ,the main problem here is the large north African communities the parents a lot over 40/50 speak only Arabic even after 30 odd years hear so the kids don't get help with homework etc so fail the education system leading to unemployment and drugs!! ()earn a hell of a lot more than i do some do )the governments have a lot to answer for as well
 
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:58 pm

Maloak33 wrote:
So here is my thoughts on this...
Doing the night shift and loosing my head regarding some of the co-workers. Let me put is this way. The new staff (born 2000 and up) are more idiotic than the guy/girl next to them. Its like they need a calculator for 2+3 and then asking around if 5 is the correct answer. It's like no one wants to take responsibility for any of their actions.

Is the 80's generation the last good generation? The generation that can still think for them self's, the generation that can do their job without the supervision of a senior?

Is it just me...or am I still trapped in the old school way of doing things?

Mal.


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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:47 pm

Depends on what you define as the "80s". I was born in '89 and have more in common with random 16 year olds than I do with someone born in say, '86.

I think a lot of has to do with the A320 - the A320 is considered by everyone to be a 21st Century piece of technology.
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:48 pm

The younger generation is not dumber, not by a long shot. Are they more “soft”? That is, do they expect a more cushy and easier time, even at the intern stage?

Absolutely.

In many fields, there is an apprentice or intern stage where you are expected to do the grunt duty, work the bad hours, experience the yelling or harsh treatment of superiors and less pay. Once you advance those issues fall away.

Nowadays, the newbies expect to be treated like a CEO on day 1 and complain all day about it.

This may not be a problem in “gentle fields” like real estate or teaching or such. It is a HUGE problem in arenas where mistakes can’t be tolerated and young recruits need to be put through the ringer so they can handle any contingencies.

In hard medical specialities like Surgery, it’s a big problem.
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:54 pm

I'll be 75 in August so I've seen a lot of generations. All have a lot of very bright folks and a slot of total duds. You can't say one generation is good or bad.

To judge how good a generation is look at the overall work they have done in areas like medical research, computers per sciences, etc. Look at advanced products like Apple's, Boeing, Airbus. Those are combinations of multiple generations working together and they can become very successful.

Our problem today is not a "generation" but the Era we are in. Excessive greed brands this Era is one of the worst in our history, The CEOs can make over $100 a year in compensation and argue that increasing the minimum wage is too expensive to increase. There is not a damn concern in the Executive Circles that the minimum wage is well below the poverty level. And they won't give a damn until some poor slob comes at them with a gun that works.
 
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:07 am

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I'll be 75 in August so I've seen a lot of generations. All have a lot of very bright folks and a slot of total duds. You can't say one generation is good or bad.

To judge how good a generation is look at the overall work they have done in areas like medical research, computers per sciences, etc. Look at advanced products like Apple's, Boeing, Airbus. Those are combinations of multiple generations working together and they can become very successful.

Our problem today is not a "generation" but the Era we are in. Excessive greed brands this Era is one of the worst in our history, The CEOs can make over $100 a year in compensation and argue that increasing the minimum wage is too expensive to increase. There is not a damn concern in the Executive Circles that the minimum wage is well below the poverty level. And they won't give a damn until some poor slob comes at them with a gun that works.


The last innovative products A & B introduced were the A320, A330, and 777 in the 1988-1995 period, so they were all done by Boomers with some Silent Generation folks mixed in. Gen X and Y have been completely absent in the world of commercial aviation technology throughout most of the 90s and all of the 2000's.

However, the rest of your statement I find quite refreshing with all of the "entitlement/soft" rhetoric I hear in the media all the time. :bigthumbsup:
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:23 am

1989worstyear wrote:
Depends on what you define as the "80s". I was born in '89 and have more in common with random 16 year olds than I do with someone born in say, '86.

I think a lot of has to do with the A320 - the A320 is considered by everyone to be a 21st Century piece of technology.


I don't think the introduction of airliner models is the metric that normal people would use to judge a generation of people.

Back on topic... I was born in September 1987, I find myself and others my age to be no different to people born in the 70's, 90's or 00's.
 
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:57 am

1989worstyear wrote:
Depends on what you define as the "80s". I was born in '89 and have more in common with random 16 year olds than I do with someone born in say, '86.

Maybe you should discuss the reason for this with a professional...seriously.
 
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:16 pm

johns624 wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
Depends on what you define as the "80s". I was born in '89 and have more in common with random 16 year olds than I do with someone born in say, '86.

Maybe you should discuss the reason for this with a professional...seriously.


It's not my fault. Somebody born in '86 grew up in a completely different era than someone my age, whereas a 16 year old cannot remember a time before the internet and A320.

Maybe the the "generational" lines need to be changed?
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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:12 pm

winginit wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
bgm wrote:

And then you have the baby boomers who watch Fox News, believe everything they read on Facebook, and vote for Trump. Stupidity knows no bounds. ;)


Not much different from your generation who watch MSNBC believe everything Rachel Madcow says, vote for for old socialist from VT, and believe everything on Facebook, too


If you think the younger generation still use Facebook you really are out of touch my friend. Facebook has been, in my experience, completely abandoned by Millennials and I believe there's quite a bit of data to back that up.


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Re: Is the 80s generation the last good generation?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:29 pm

Ken777 wrote:
I'll be 75 in August so I've seen a lot of generations. All have a lot of very bright folks and a slot of total duds. You can't say one generation is good or bad.

To judge how good a generation is look at the overall work they have done in areas like medical research, computers per sciences, etc. Look at advanced products like Apple's, Boeing, Airbus. Those are combinations of multiple generations working together and they can become very successful.

Our problem today is not a "generation" but the Era we are in. Excessive greed brands this Era is one of the worst in our history, The CEOs can make over $100 a year in compensation and argue that increasing the minimum wage is too expensive to increase. There is not a damn concern in the Executive Circles that the minimum wage is well below the poverty level. And they won't give a damn until some poor slob comes at them with a gun that works.


You’re kind of like I am. Not the greatest generation, but really not a boomer either. You probably remember the Korean War, but obviously not WWII. At my age, remembering the end of Vietnam but not quite old enough to understand any of it, nor do I remember much for the tumultuous 60’s (without the drugs LOL) either so not really a boomer, and not much of a gen-xer either. Young enough to have a enjoyed the 80’s, old enough to know that Boomers have been bitching at each other since their High School years. They seem to want to expand generations to fill gaps, but I’m not sure that’s the right way to do it. People born in the 80s kind of fall into such a window as well. Maybe we need different definitions.
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