I know it's a mess now. Who will be running for the next UK prime minister? Will Theresa May be re-elected?

I doubt she’ll even run. She offered her position in return for agreement on her deal for a reason.

Bojo will make Britain great again!

Are there elections coming up which the British government forgot to announce?

Theresa May has the position of Prime Minister because it is a mess, nobody in his/her right mind will want this job at the moment, loose - loose position. Nobody can do this job and be remembered in a good way. What needs to be done, can't be done: revoke article 50.

Jetty wrote:

Bojo will make Britain great again!

thanks for a good laugh his morning.

Jetty wrote:

I doubt she’ll even run. She offered her position in return for agreement on her deal for a reason.

Bojo will make Britain great again!

But the deal didn't go through

UAUA wrote:

Jetty wrote:

I doubt she’ll even run. She offered her position in return for agreement on her deal for a reason.

Bojo will make Britain great again!

But the deal didn't go through

I know, but her making that offer is indicative of her ambitions: someone who would want be a PM for a long time wouldn’t have made it.

Yes, that’s him

scbriml wrote:

This BoJo?

Laugh all you want, it’s happening!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... walls.html

Johnson, the man who as foreign secretary used a colonial poem in a Buddhist shrine in Myanmar and once describes "...that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies,". He also mentioned "watermelon smiles". Basically the British Trump.

Who the hell would want to be PM in the UK with the Brexit mess, likely hated by half of the voters, facing an economic decline, the GFA broken, losses of many jobs and not enough money to keep the population happy. You either get total yankers like Boris Johnson, or some right wing nut job and likely grossly incompetent.

May's deal with Labour is necessary to pass the Brexit deal and Boris has said that he'll sink that as soon as he gets in, so there's really little likelihood that the deal will pass. The only positive thing is that he will probably need to get a popular mandate, which will mean an election before the year is out. The trouble for British voters is that it's a choice between Corbyn and Johnson ... not a particularly good choice.

If Labour could get someone palatable and, well, living in the 21st century (Hilary Benn, perhaps), they might have a chance of forming the next govt. As bad a PM as BoJo would be, Corbyn would be a complete disaster.

Last month, over 400 British people took Irish citizenship (out of 2,000); it wouldn't surprise me if, at the next citizenship ceremony, the figure rose to 4 digits.

smallvoyageur wrote:

Johnson, the man who as foreign secretary used a colonial poem in a Buddhist shrine in Myanmar and once describes "...that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies,". He also mentioned "watermelon smiles". Basically the British Trump.

He apologized for those comments and said they didn't come from his heart. Favorite with the bookies now.

Boris Johnson is now odds-on to replace Theresa May's after her decision to resign on June 7 fired the official starting gun on the race to succeed her.
The long-term favourite has roared into a commanding lead to win the vote to take over as Tory leader and become the Prime Minister who will be faced with delivering Brexit.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... crown.html

If BoJo becomes PM, I predict he'll find out that a clean break from the EU is not as easy as he thinks, and if he does deliver and breaks from the EU without a deal, my guess is that once that's done and the issues start piling up, he'll resign. To me it doesn't seem like he's interested in actually leading the country. He just has a pet issue (Brexit) which he wants solved and let someone else deal with the fallout.

If Johnson gets it, we will get more press conference like this or this and there are many more. Painful to see Boris's his conclusion: I think we got through that alright. He was the only one in that room that day......

This was truly painful for anyone to see and you would almost feel sorry for our little Boris.

The whole Brexit thing makes me think of that part of the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where they discover that the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything is 42 - and they have to build an even bigger computer (Earth) to find out what the question was.

Here we have an answer (yes to Brexit) that people interpret in several different ways. The likely incoming PM and others of his ilk (the European Research Group, so called) takes an absolutist view, while others want various different shades and it seems that although the vote is clearly against a no-deal, that's what BoJo wants. Pass the popcorn, this is going to be fun. The first meeting with the EU (and probably Merkel and Macron) is likely to be pretty interesting, but I really can't see the EU budging an inch ... they know BoJo's form and style. The problem is that having been a key mover on Brexit from Day One, he really can't shift from that.

Somehow, I don't see his premiership being a long one. The real question I have will be the kind of people he'll bring in - e.g. JRM. Can he expect a cabinet post?

kaitak wrote:

Here we have an answer (yes to Brexit) that people interpret in several different ways. The likely incoming PM and others of his ilk (the European Research Group, so called) takes an absolutist view, while others want various different shades and it seems that although the vote is clearly against a no-deal, that's what BoJo wants. Pass the popcorn, this is going to be fun. The first meeting with the EU (and probably Merkel and Macron) is likely to be pretty interesting, but I really can't see the EU budging an inch ... they know BoJo's form and style. The problem is that having been a key mover on Brexit from Day One, he really can't shift from that.

Somehow, I don't see his premiership being a long one. The real question I have will be the kind of people he'll bring in - e.g. JRM. Can he expect a cabinet post?

If the Brexitremist come into power, will they push for a crash out Brexit on 31th of October? Will the House on Commons agree on that, even after they said that they do not support crashing out? What can be achieved before the 31th of October for another withdraw agreement?
Or will Brexit be like the accession of Turkey to the EU, has been in the books for 25plus years, but will likely never happen?

The next Prime Minister will face the same obstacles as Theresa May, it is an unsolvable puzzle, the ultimate Gordian knot.

About the initial question, there was/is no way for TM to be re-elected Prime Minister, it doesn't work that way. However she could have continued as PM until December, unless her party changed its rules to oust her as leader of the party, or bandied with the opposition to oust her. Then there are party rules preventing her from being a candidate as leader of the Tories again.

kaitak wrote:

The whole Brexit thing makes me think of that part of the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where they discover that the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything is 42 - and they have to build an even bigger computer (Earth) to find out what the question was.

Here we have an answer (yes to Brexit) that people interpret in several different ways. The likely incoming PM and others of his ilk (the European Research Group, so called) takes an absolutist view, while others want various different shades and it seems that although the vote is clearly against a no-deal, that's what BoJo wants. Pass the popcorn, this is going to be fun. The first meeting with the EU (and probably Merkel and Macron) is likely to be pretty interesting, but I really can't see the EU budging an inch ... they know BoJo's form and style. The problem is that having been a key mover on Brexit from Day One, he really can't shift from that.

Somehow, I don't see his premiership being a long one. The real question I have will be the kind of people he'll bring in - e.g. JRM. Can he expect a cabinet post?

Great Adams reference there. Your points highlight what things boil down to going forward: whoever replaces TM will have to talk to Brussels, and right now they have all the leverage.

The ship is going to sink one way or the other... Might as well bring BoJo in, cue the Benny Hill theme song and make the whole thing a British comedy classic for the ages.

And now, of course, Donny Boy has to put this two cents in, by backing Boris.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48478706

Boris is probably having minor surgery to have his palm removed from his face. This level of interference can only harm Boris - "Trump's man" ... it help him in certain parts of the Tory party and among Brexiteers, but it will be interesting to see what the UK electorate make of it.

The adjectives to describe Trump's move have all been trotted out in relation to so many other things he's said and done, so I won't repeat them here, but really, he seems to operate without any advice at all. Or at least any good advice.

Like Brexit - or indeed any other issue, if you hear Trump recommending one course of action, the best path lies in the complete opposite direction. The British should not entertain the view that Trump has its best interests at heart. If you don't think that, wait until you see the trade deal America will want from Britain in the aftermath of Brexit.

I feel like a chicken on a Kebab spit, shafted from both ends. Bonkers Boris or Corbyn, hardly a choice,

readytotaxi wrote:

I feel like a chicken on a Kebab spit, shafted from both ends. Bonkers Boris or Corbyn, hardly a choice,

Hey, if BoJo gets one Corbyn deserves an adjective as well. ‘Comrade Corbyn’ seems deserved.

Your choice should be easy if you consider who will be interior minister: Sajid Javid or dreadful Diane.

scbriml wrote:

Jetty wrote:

Your choice should be easy if you consider who will be interior minister: Sajid Javid or dreadful Diane.

You mean Diane "math degree" Abbott?

That's her Or Diane "Mao did more good than bad" Abbott. Endless gaffes to choose from.

Dutchy wrote:

If Johnson gets it, we will get more press conference like this or this and there are many more. Painful to see Boris's his conclusion: I think we got through that alright. He was the only one in that room that day......

This was truly painful for anyone to see and you would almost feel sorry for our little Boris.

No need to feel sorry for Boris: he is unstoppable with by far the most votes in the first round

Boris Johnson took the first step towards Downing Street today as he stormed home in the opening round of the Tory leadership battle.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... le-7136315

I remember a humorous book I got few years ago, the Uxbridge dictionary. It had unusual definitions for common words ... the one for "piccaninny" (pick a ninny) was "the election of a new Tory leader" and given the field, it could hardly be more apt. I'm glad that Esther McVey was knocked out; her speech the other day was just painful. They might as well all rally around Boris now, because it's clear he's going to be the next leader and PM - as egregious a result as that will be. Rory Stewart is about the only one there who's reasonably sane.

kaitak wrote:

I remember a humorous book I got few years ago, the Uxbridge dictionary. It had unusual definitions for common words ... the one for "piccaninny" (pick a ninny) was "the election of a new Tory leader" and given the field, it could hardly be more apt. I'm glad that Esther McVey was knocked out; her speech the other day was just painful. They might as well all rally around Boris now, because it's clear he's going to be the next leader and PM - as egregious a result as that will be. Rory Stewart is about the only one there who's reasonably sane.

Don't know if Boris is going to take it, he is a divisive figure, he's got 1/3 of the votes...

Dutchy wrote:

kaitak wrote:

I remember a humorous book I got few years ago, the Uxbridge dictionary. It had unusual definitions for common words ... the one for "piccaninny" (pick a ninny) was "the election of a new Tory leader" and given the field, it could hardly be more apt. I'm glad that Esther McVey was knocked out; her speech the other day was just painful. They might as well all rally around Boris now, because it's clear he's going to be the next leader and PM - as egregious a result as that will be. Rory Stewart is about the only one there who's reasonably sane.

Don't know if Boris is going to take it, he is a divisive figure, he's got 1/3 of the votes...

He only needs to come second among MPs. The final decision is to be made by the party membership. You'll be delighted to know that yours truly gets a vote

KLDC10 wrote:

Dutchy wrote:

kaitak wrote:

I remember a humorous book I got few years ago, the Uxbridge dictionary. It had unusual definitions for common words ... the one for "piccaninny" (pick a ninny) was "the election of a new Tory leader" and given the field, it could hardly be more apt. I'm glad that Esther McVey was knocked out; her speech the other day was just painful. They might as well all rally around Boris now, because it's clear he's going to be the next leader and PM - as egregious a result as that will be. Rory Stewart is about the only one there who's reasonably sane.

Don't know if Boris is going to take it, he is a divisive figure, he's got 1/3 of the votes...

He only needs to come second among MPs. The final decision is to be made by the party membership. You'll be delighted to know that yours truly gets a vote

Ah well, he is going to split your party in 2 weeks.

Dutchy wrote:

kaitak wrote:

I remember a humorous book I got few years ago, the Uxbridge dictionary. It had unusual definitions for common words ... the one for "piccaninny" (pick a ninny) was "the election of a new Tory leader" and given the field, it could hardly be more apt. I'm glad that Esther McVey was knocked out; her speech the other day was just painful. They might as well all rally around Boris now, because it's clear he's going to be the next leader and PM - as egregious a result as that will be. Rory Stewart is about the only one there who's reasonably sane.

Don't know if Boris is going to take it, he is a divisive figure, he's got 1/3 of the votes...

It's happening! 11 contenders gone, only 1 to go.

The way he avoided the Channel 4 debate would have sunk most politicians anywhere, it's crazy he has so much support while avoiding campaigning altogether.

Aesma wrote:

it's crazy he has so much support while avoiding campaigning altogether.

Just looking at the picture above it does look like he's campaigning.

Aesma wrote:

The way he avoided the Channel 4 debate would have sunk most politicians anywhere, it's crazy he has so much support while avoiding campaigning altogether.

The Channel 4 debate, and the BBC debate (which he did attend) were a tremendous waste of time and money. The electorate to which Johnson must appeal is only around 140-160,000 and the party has arranged more intimate hustings for our benefit.

Yep, makes sense to keep millions in the dark over who will lead them.

Jetty wrote:

It's happening! 11 contenders gone, only 1 to go.

yes, and good luck with him at the helm. At least his ego will be satisfied and he will get a pension for life, wonder what the UK and the rest of the world get out of it. Ah well, 140.000 Englishmen will decide the future of the UK in this crucial time.

wait a moment, why this topic's title is "who will be the next UK PM"? isn't Boris Johnson?
I heard the news this morning on the radio and the speaker said it like he was already elected

I asked the opinion a few days back of the son of a former Conservative MP as to who to vote for, he replies "not the one I went to school with". I then recalled he was an old Etonian and the remark was aimed at Boris. He went on to say that he was awful at school, and nothing has changed.

Bongodog49 wrote:

I asked the opinion a few days back of the son of a former Conservative MP as to who to vote for, he replies "not the one I went to school with". I then recalled he was an old Etonian and the remark was aimed at Boris. He went on to say that he was awful at school, and nothing has changed.

According to everything I've heard, he was an awful Mayor of London and an awful Secretary of State as well. With Boris's special brand of charm and unique way of solving complex issues, if he becomes Prime Minister it will be as if the UK saw the US elect Donald Trump and said "Is that all you've got? Here, hold my pint...".

Hoping for a clean brexit with no additional negotiation. Not optimistic with either of the two candidates as they are both inadequate for the job. No referendum necessary, as they already had one. No point trying to negotiate with the EU, they got all they could already.. The sad thing is Jeremey Corbyn is just as bad if not worse, even if a general election was to be called.

Boris would be the right choice. He has been one of the most vocal in this mess, so he obviously sees a way forward. Let him try. And eventually take the blame...

Assuming that Bojo becomes PM when csn we start betting on if he survive christmas?

Maybe we will end up with Boris Island after all.

smallvoyageur wrote:

Johnson, the man who as foreign secretary used a colonial poem in a Buddhist shrine in Myanmar and once describes "...that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies,". He also mentioned "watermelon smiles". Basically the British Trump.

Boris Johnson elected! He just announced he'll make Britain great again with a 'can do mentality'.

Have you all stocked up on pop corn ?

Jetty wrote:

smallvoyageur wrote:

Johnson, the man who as foreign secretary used a colonial poem in a Buddhist shrine in Myanmar and once describes "...that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies,". He also mentioned "watermelon smiles". Basically the British Trump.

Boris Johnson elected! He just announced he'll make Britain great again with a 'can do mentality'.

And now this threat is current again: "Who will be running for the next UK prime minister?"

They probably need one before Halloween....

best regards
Thomas

tommy1808 wrote:

Jetty wrote:

smallvoyageur wrote:

Johnson, the man who as foreign secretary used a colonial poem in a Buddhist shrine in Myanmar and once describes "...that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies,". He also mentioned "watermelon smiles". Basically the British Trump.

Boris Johnson elected! He just announced he'll make Britain great again with a 'can do mentality'.

And now this threat is current again: "Who will be running for the next UK prime minister?"

They probably need one before Halloween....

best regards
Thomas

'can do' mentality. As in, we 'can do' a general election ASAP?

Ah, so place your bets on an independent Scotland and a United Ireland within 2 years.

The king of the f**kwits has now took leadership of the house of f**kwits.

tommy1808 wrote:

And now this threat is current again: "Who will be running for the next UK prime minister?"

They probably need one before Halloween....

best regards
Thomas

It wouldn't surprise me.

Not only is Johnson immediately up against ministers resigning with more to follow over his stance of going for no deal if it means the UK leaves the EU on 31st October (Hammond said over the weekend he will resign as Chancellor after May's last PMQ's if Johnson was elected leader to fight this), there's also the big dose of reality that will come his way soon when the EU reiterate (again) the WA isn't going to be re-opened in the face of no viable alternatives to address the Irish border backstop that MP's have an issue with. Not to mention the possibility of a no-confidence vote in Parliament and attempts that will be forthcoming to stop no deal.

Meanwhile,Labour are no closer towards demonstrating they are a credible government-in-waiting.