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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:38 pm

Either send a link we don’t have to pay for, or copy/paste the article.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:56 pm

afcjets wrote:
Either send a link we don’t have to pay for, or copy/paste the article.


Pasting an entire WSJ article would be illegal. This should get you caught up:

http://theconversation.com/the-trump-fo ... ity-109056

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12 ... -shut-down

And another investigation being opened in NY:

https://riskandinsurance.com/trump-lied ... l-hearing/
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:37 pm

afcjets wrote:
Was it ironic or intentional that your post is a textbook example of what Obama taught at the University of Chicago after spending his entire career in employing and training others in these tactics he learned from his socialist mentor?

Don't over think it. Just cawlin' it wut it iz: crazy talk.

afcjets wrote:
He can't be guilty of charity violations because donating to veteran causes (something Trump campaigned on that Hillary didn’t) is not a charity violation. Trump was a billionaire before he established charities for veterans. His opponent went from broke to $150 million by establishing a charity. Big difference.

Who said anything about donating to veteran causes? The Trump Foundation made the Clinton Foundation look like the Salvation Army. It's been a slush fund for Trump for decades.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:33 pm

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johnboy wrote:
stratclub wrote:

With the Russia Gate frame job behind us, we have an AG that is not corrupt like Obama's AG was and real investigations can now start against crooked treasonous Hillery.


...followed closely by this jaw-dropping statement.
Simply insane.

Ya, I know. Actual facts don't matter and feelings are more important than facts. But I see your point. Since Obama's AG was corrupt, all AG's must be corrupt. Wait until the 4 bogus FISA warrants are released.


It's genuinely hilarious that the right is still latching onto the FISA warrants as the false origins of the whole investigation when the Mueller Report made it crystal clear that it was The Australian Government whose intelligence was the true origin.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:32 pm

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Trump will be arrested when he is out of office for his campaign finance violations.
He may be pardoned by the sitting president, but he will be charged.



Only Federal Convictions can be pardoned...NY State is on deck.....
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:59 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Was it ironic or intentional that your post is a textbook example of what Obama taught at the University of Chicago after spending his entire career in employing and training others in these tactics he learned from his socialist mentor?

Don't over think it. Just cawlin' it wut it iz: crazy talk.


Yes, any facts that make Obama look bad are surpressed and if exposed are just crazy talk.


MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
He can't be guilty of charity violations because donating to veteran causes (something Trump campaigned on that Hillary didn’t) is not a charity violation. Trump was a billionaire before he established charities for veterans. His opponent went from broke to $150 million by establishing a charity. Big difference.

Who said anything about donating to veteran causes? The Trump Foundation made the Clinton Foundation look like the Salvation Army. It's been a slush fund for Trump for decades.


Did you read any of the articles linked above? The worst thing they could come up with the Trump Foundation involved a $25,000 payment. How many hundreds of millions did the Clinton Foundation raise for Haiti, where more than 90% never went anywhere near Haiti.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:45 am

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WarRI1 wrote:
https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/trump-flips-on-fox-news-analyst-after-he-calls-presidents-actions-criminal-143939461.html

Ho hum another day in the life of the snake pit crowd in the world of rump the stump.

If you have no valid argument, it is always best to hurl unfounded malicious insults. Cnn and MSNBC have been doing it for 2 1/2 years now.


Explain how I have no valid argument. I posted a link from Fox News where a Fox News commentator says what I posted. Is this another example where one cannot believe a Fox News man could actually criticize rump. Maybe, just maybe he has enough self respect as man of the law to speak the truth as he interprets the law. A very rare happening on Fox News for sure. Hard to believe, but there it is in black and white as they say. You guys might do well to try and follow the Judges sensibilities in this case. Honor, self respect is sorely lacking on the right, or in Russia as the case many be. :( :o
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:26 pm

afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Was it ironic or intentional that your post is a textbook example of what Obama taught at the University of Chicago after spending his entire career in employing and training others in these tactics he learned from his socialist mentor?

Don't over think it. Just cawlin' it wut it iz: crazy talk.


Yes, any facts that make Obama look bad are surpressed and if exposed are just crazy talk.


Links or it didn't happen


afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
He can't be guilty of charity violations because donating to veteran causes (something Trump campaigned on that Hillary didn’t) is not a charity violation. Trump was a billionaire before he established charities for veterans. His opponent went from broke to $150 million by establishing a charity. Big difference.

Who said anything about donating to veteran causes? The Trump Foundation made the Clinton Foundation look like the Salvation Army. It's been a slush fund for Trump for decades.


Did you read any of the articles linked above? The worst thing they could come up with the Trump Foundation involved a $25,000 payment. How many hundreds of millions did the Clinton Foundation raise for Haiti, where more than 90% never went anywhere near Haiti.


AFC, you keep bringing up the Clinton Foundation like it is a bad thing. The raised money for Haiti after the earthquake but they made the mistake of giving that money to the UN and other groups that supposedly have better chances of helping the people there

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098

They did not use their charity to bribe porn stars or pay for life sized paintings of themselves or gold toilets or political slush fund to cover up Russian donations.....
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:50 pm

seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Don't over think it. Just cawlin' it wut it iz: crazy talk.


Yes, any facts that make Obama look bad are surpressed and if exposed are just crazy talk.


Links or it didn't happen


The link is in post 37. Here it is again:

https://www.investors.com/politics/edit ... -radicals/


seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Who said anything about donating to veteran causes? The Trump Foundation made the Clinton Foundation look like the Salvation Army. It's been a slush fund for Trump for decades.


Did you read any of the articles linked above? The worst thing they could come up with the Trump Foundation involved a $25,000 payment. How many hundreds of millions did the Clinton Foundation raise for Haiti, where more than 90% never went anywhere near Haiti.


AFC, you keep bringing up the Clinton Foundation like it is a bad thing. The raised money for Haiti after the earthquake but they made the mistake of giving that money to the UN and other groups that supposedly have better chances of helping the people there

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098

They did not use their charity to bribe porn stars or pay for life sized paintings of themselves or gold toilets or political slush fund to cover up Russian donations.....


“How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off Poor Haitians....

They observed that a number of companies that received contracts in Haiti happened to be entities that made large donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Haitian contracts appeared less tailored to the needs of Haiti than to the needs of the companies that were performing the services. In sum, Haitian deals appeared to be a quid pro quo for filling the coffers of the Clintons...
The Clintons also funneled $10 million in federal loans to a firm called InnoVida, headed by Clinton donor Claudio Osorio. Osorio had loaded its board with Clinton cronies, including longtime Clinton ally General Wesley Clark; Hillary’s 2008 finance director Jonathan Mantz; and Democratic fundraiser Chris Korge who has helped raise millions for the Clintons.
Normally the loan approval process takes months or even years. But in this case, a government official wrote, “Former President Bill Clinton is personally in contact with the company to organize its logistical and support needs. And as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton has made available State Department resources to assist with logistical arrangements.”
InnoVida had not even provided an independently audited financial report that is normally a requirement for such applications. This requirement, however, was waived. On the basis of the Clinton connection, InnoVida’s application was fast-tracked and approved in two weeks.
The company, however, defaulted on the loan and never built any houses. An investigation revealed that Osorio had diverted company funds to pay for his Miami Beach mansion, his Maserati, and his Colorado ski chalet.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/07/ ... oundation/
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:18 pm

afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

Yes, any facts that make Obama look bad are surpressed and if exposed are just crazy talk.


Links or it didn't happen


The link is in post 37. Here it is again:


Thank you.

However, why is it a bad thing when Obama does it but a good thing when literally every Republican does it? I read through the op-ed piece and it sounds like a "divide and conquer" tactic at the city level rather than the national level that Republicans do.


afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

Did you read any of the articles linked above? The worst thing they could come up with the Trump Foundation involved a $25,000 payment. How many hundreds of millions did the Clinton Foundation raise for Haiti, where more than 90% never went anywhere near Haiti.


AFC, you keep bringing up the Clinton Foundation like it is a bad thing. The raised money for Haiti after the earthquake but they made the mistake of giving that money to the UN and other groups that supposedly have better chances of helping the people there

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098

They did not use their charity to bribe porn stars or pay for life sized paintings of themselves or gold toilets or political slush fund to cover up Russian donations.....


“How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off Poor Haitians....

They observed that a number of companies that received contracts in Haiti happened to be entities that made large donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Haitian contracts appeared less tailored to the needs of Haiti than to the needs of the companies that were performing the services. In sum, Haitian deals appeared to be a quid pro quo for filling the coffers of the Clintons...
The Clintons also funneled $10 million in federal loans to a firm called InnoVida, headed by Clinton donor Claudio Osorio. Osorio had loaded its board with Clinton cronies, including longtime Clinton ally General Wesley Clark; Hillary’s 2008 finance director Jonathan Mantz; and Democratic fundraiser Chris Korge who has helped raise millions for the Clintons.
Normally the loan approval process takes months or even years. But in this case, a government official wrote, “Former President Bill Clinton is personally in contact with the company to organize its logistical and support needs. And as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton has made available State Department resources to assist with logistical arrangements.”
InnoVida had not even provided an independently audited financial report that is normally a requirement for such applications. This requirement, however, was waived. On the basis of the Clinton connection, InnoVida’s application was fast-tracked and approved in two weeks.
The company, however, defaulted on the loan and never built any houses. An investigation revealed that Osorio had diverted company funds to pay for his Miami Beach mansion, his Maserati, and his Colorado ski chalet.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/07/ ... oundation/


So, according to your own source, the Clinton Foundation gave money to InnoVida to build houses in Haiti but InnoVida defaulted and used those funds for personal expense. Not the Clinton Foundation. But, rather, a major donor.

Betsy DeVos still holds steaks in lending companies for education. And she is head of the Department of Education. You will be calling for investigations of her, too, right? IIRC, the current occupant of the White House went to foreign banks to get loans. That is still under investigation by Southern District Of New York.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:21 pm

afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

Yes, any facts that make Obama look bad are surpressed and if exposed are just crazy talk.


Links or it didn't happen


The link is in post 37. Here it is again:


seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

Did you read any of the articles linked above? The worst thing they could come up with the Trump Foundation involved a $25,000 payment. How many hundreds of millions did the Clinton Foundation raise for Haiti, where more than 90% never went anywhere near Haiti.


AFC, you keep bringing up the Clinton Foundation like it is a bad thing. The raised money for Haiti after the earthquake but they made the mistake of giving that money to the UN and other groups that supposedly have better chances of helping the people there

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098

They did not use their charity to bribe porn stars or pay for life sized paintings of themselves or gold toilets or political slush fund to cover up Russian donations.....


They observed that a number of companies that received contracts in Haiti happened to be entities that made large donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Haitian contracts appeared less tailored to the needs of Haiti than to the needs of the companies that were performing the services. In sum, Haitian deals appeared to be a quid pro quo for filling the coffers of the Clintons.

Which did exasperate Haiti's Cholera pandemic which killed 9,000 people because money was diverted by Bill Clinton, as the United Nations Special Envoy for Haiti to the Clinton's pay to play. This money was diverted from infrastructure for basic sanitation and supplying Haitians with clean drinking water.

You have to remember that the pandemic didn't even start until 10 months after the earthquake which would have been plenty of time to do what needed to be done to prevent 9,000 people from dying from Cholera.

Just one example of Bill Clinton's pay to play that did nothing for the earthquake relief or the Haitian economy and displaced 400 some Haitians from viable farms with close to zero compensation. https://fee.org/articles/usaid-forced-s ... -on-haiti/

What makes the sweatshop that was built a really horrific example of corruption was that it is in the north that wasn't even effected by the earthquake.

It just amazes me that people have no problem with the vermin the Clinton's are and are just fine with the Demo's going on yet another witch hunt to try and railroad our president.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:06 pm

stratclub wrote:
afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Links or it didn't happen


The link is in post 37. Here it is again:


seb146 wrote:

AFC, you keep bringing up the Clinton Foundation like it is a bad thing. The raised money for Haiti after the earthquake but they made the mistake of giving that money to the UN and other groups that supposedly have better chances of helping the people there

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098

They did not use their charity to bribe porn stars or pay for life sized paintings of themselves or gold toilets or political slush fund to cover up Russian donations.....


They observed that a number of companies that received contracts in Haiti happened to be entities that made large donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Haitian contracts appeared less tailored to the needs of Haiti than to the needs of the companies that were performing the services. In sum, Haitian deals appeared to be a quid pro quo for filling the coffers of the Clintons.

Which did exasperate Haiti's Cholera pandemic which killed 9,000 people because money was diverted by Bill Clinton, as the United Nations Special Envoy for Haiti to the Clinton's pay to play. This money was diverted from infrastructure for basic sanitation and supplying Haitians with clean drinking water.

You have to remember that the pandemic didn't even start until 10 months after the earthquake which would have been plenty of time to do what needed to be done to prevent 9,000 people from dying from Cholera.

Just one example of Bill Clinton's pay to play that did nothing for the earthquake relief or the Haitian economy and displaced 400 some Haitians from viable farms with close to zero compensation. https://fee.org/articles/usaid-forced-s ... -on-haiti/

What makes the sweatshop that was built a really horrific example of corruption was that it is in the north that wasn't even effected by the earthquake.

It just amazes me that people have no problem with the vermin the Clinton's are and are just fine with the Demo's going on yet another witch hunt to try and railroad our president.


I see. Bill Clinton gave money from the Clinton Foundation to the United Nations for disaster relief who delayed help. The "pay to play" is "donate money to our foundation and we will give that money to the United Nations" which, now that I read it out loud, sounds absolutely horrible to the lying Replublicon party.

Speaking of lying Republicons, no outrage at all over bribing a hooker paid directly from campaign funds WHICH IS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL? No? Speaks volumes of your lying Republicon party.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:10 pm

seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Links or it didn't happen


The link is in post 37. Here it is again:


Thank you.

However, why is it a bad thing when Obama does it but a good thing when literally every Republican does it? I read through the op-ed piece and it sounds like a "divide and conquer" tactic at the city level rather than the national level that Republicans do.


Obama's entire career was based on those tactics. He completed an official intensive training program in them and then became a trainer himself. He later taught a course at the University of Chicago about them. They are part of his DNA and shaped his Presidency.


seb146 wrote:
So, according to your own source, the Clinton Foundation gave money to InnoVida to build houses in Haiti but InnoVida defaulted and used those funds for personal expense. Not the Clinton Foundation. But, rather, a major donor.

Betsy DeVos still holds steaks in lending companies for education. And she is head of the Department of Education. You will be calling for investigations of her, too, right? IIRC, the current occupant of the White House went to foreign banks to get loans. That is still under investigation by Southern District Of New York.


I guess you missed the part where the contracts were given to Clinton cronies who made substantial donations to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was SOS. In other word, this guy paid to play.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:15 pm

seb146 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
afcjets wrote:

The link is in post 37. Here it is again:




They observed that a number of companies that received contracts in Haiti happened to be entities that made large donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Haitian contracts appeared less tailored to the needs of Haiti than to the needs of the companies that were performing the services. In sum, Haitian deals appeared to be a quid pro quo for filling the coffers of the Clintons.

Which did exasperate Haiti's Cholera pandemic which killed 9,000 people because money was diverted by Bill Clinton, as the United Nations Special Envoy for Haiti to the Clinton's pay to play. This money was diverted from infrastructure for basic sanitation and supplying Haitians with clean drinking water.

You have to remember that the pandemic didn't even start until 10 months after the earthquake which would have been plenty of time to do what needed to be done to prevent 9,000 people from dying from Cholera.

Just one example of Bill Clinton's pay to play that did nothing for the earthquake relief or the Haitian economy and displaced 400 some Haitians from viable farms with close to zero compensation. https://fee.org/articles/usaid-forced-s ... -on-haiti/

What makes the sweatshop that was built a really horrific example of corruption was that it is in the north that wasn't even effected by the earthquake.

It just amazes me that people have no problem with the vermin the Clinton's are and are just fine with the Demo's going on yet another witch hunt to try and railroad our president.


I see. Bill Clinton gave money from the Clinton Foundation to the United Nations for disaster relief who delayed help. The "pay to play" is "donate money to our foundation and we will give that money to the United Nations" which, now that I read it out loud, sounds absolutely horrible to the lying Replublicon party.

Speaking of lying Republicons, no outrage at all over bribing a hooker paid directly from campaign funds WHICH IS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL? No? Speaks volumes of your lying Republicon party.

There was 13 billion dollars in the disaster relief fund which much of it was diverted to Slick Willie's pay to play cronies providing they donate to the Clinton Money Laundering Foundation. Sure the Clinton Money Laundering Foundation did donate some money to the relief effort just for appearances.

No, Slick Willie's pay to play scheme didn't "delay" anything, it just plain old made some desperately needed humanitarian services unavailable.

So how exactly did the Caracol Park sweatshops in a part of Haiti that did not need disaster relief be a legitimate use of disaster funds? I guess building sweat shops for a Korean garment manufacturer was more important than preventing people from dying in southern Haiti. https://fee.org/articles/usaid-forced-s ... -on-haiti/


You mentioned lying Republicans? Did you bump your head like Hillery and suffer from amnesia? Like failing to remember how for the last 2 1/2 years the Democrats with the help of CNN and MSNBC were viscously lying about DJT 24/7? And still the harassment of our President continues...............
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:23 pm

afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

The link is in post 37. Here it is again:


Thank you.

However, why is it a bad thing when Obama does it but a good thing when literally every Republican does it? I read through the op-ed piece and it sounds like a "divide and conquer" tactic at the city level rather than the national level that Republicans do.


Obama's entire career was based on those tactics. He completed an official intensive training program in them and then became a trainer himself. He later taught a course at the University of Chicago about them. They are part of his DNA and shaped his Presidency.


And still he was voted by majorities both times and a solid majority would still vote for him if he were able to run again. Not really dividing. Sounds like he united a majority of Americans.


afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
So, according to your own source, the Clinton Foundation gave money to InnoVida to build houses in Haiti but InnoVida defaulted and used those funds for personal expense. Not the Clinton Foundation. But, rather, a major donor.

Betsy DeVos still holds steaks in lending companies for education. And she is head of the Department of Education. You will be calling for investigations of her, too, right? IIRC, the current occupant of the White House went to foreign banks to get loans. That is still under investigation by Southern District Of New York.


I guess you missed the part where the contracts were given to Clinton cronies who made substantial donations to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was SOS. In other word, this guy paid to play.


And she had divested herself from the charity. She had nothing to do with the charity. People were giving money for access to Bill, who was a private citizen at that time and is still.

Kinda like what people do at Mar-A-Lago. Pay to play. You are obsessing over private citizens doing something years ago but have no problem with the occupant of the White House doing it now this second. Stop with the "but Hillary" line. It is exhausting. You want to discuss breaking laws, the current administration uses private emails and private servers and engages in pay-to-play and funnels money illegally and has not divested themselves from their companies. Why aren't you obsessing over that? Why no outrage over that? The current administration? Why do you have to obsess over a couple who has already been investigated for decades BY REPUBLICANS and found they did nothing wrong?
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Wed May 01, 2019 12:07 am

afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Was it ironic or intentional that your post is a textbook example of what Obama taught at the University of Chicago after spending his entire career in employing and training others in these tactics he learned from his socialist mentor?

Don't over think it. Just cawlin' it wut it iz: crazy talk.


Yes, any facts that make Obama look bad are surpressed and if exposed are just crazy talk.


MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
He can't be guilty of charity violations because donating to veteran causes (something Trump campaigned on that Hillary didn’t) is not a charity violation. Trump was a billionaire before he established charities for veterans. His opponent went from broke to $150 million by establishing a charity. Big difference.

Who said anything about donating to veteran causes? The Trump Foundation made the Clinton Foundation look like the Salvation Army. It's been a slush fund for Trump for decades.


Did you read any of the articles linked above? The worst thing they could come up with the Trump Foundation involved a $25,000 payment. How many hundreds of millions did the Clinton Foundation raise for Haiti, where more than 90% never went anywhere near Haiti.


Listen to yourselves - you are literally making excuses for corruption and behavior unbecoming the POTUS office. Independents like myself were on Obama’s ass for AG Holder rescuing his Wall Street chums from Lehman/AIG prosecutions, because fair is fair and wrong is wrong. This complete blindness is why 45 is already falling like a rock with many independents and anyone who cares about integrity and professionalism doesn’t hold his family in any esteem either.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Wed May 01, 2019 4:28 am

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winginit wrote:

It's adorable that you think genuine investigations are going to be made into the Obama Administration with any sort of strength or success. You mean like how Trump said they were going to 'lock Hillary up?' Whatever happened to that whole lock her up thing by the way? Were they just waiting for the conclusion of the Mueller report on that one too? Just another lie from the mouth of a liar that swindled the Republican party. How very sad for you.


I actually think the buck will stop before Obama and he will be officially completely exonerated, no matter what he did or knew. I also think Obama thought the same thing and in part explains his boldness. No way America will stand for the indictment or dishonoring of the first “black” President, no matter what.


You didn't answer my question though. Trump campaigned on 'lock her up', and he's had two and a half years to indict Hillary Clinton and... nothing... why is that? Why are you allowing him to break campaign promises without pressure?


This is what disappoints me the most so far; Trump not going after crooked Hillary. Trump should go after her as per his campaign, and even more so now given the yet to prove anything Dem instigated investigations into him.
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777Jet wrote:
winginit wrote:
afcjets wrote:

I actually think the buck will stop before Obama and he will be officially completely exonerated, no matter what he did or knew. I also think Obama thought the same thing and in part explains his boldness. No way America will stand for the indictment or dishonoring of the first “black” President, no matter what.


You didn't answer my question though. Trump campaigned on 'lock her up', and he's had two and a half years to indict Hillary Clinton and... nothing... why is that? Why are you allowing him to break campaign promises without pressure?


This is what disappoints me the most so far; Trump not going after crooked Hillary. Trump should go after her as per his campaign, and even more so now given the yet to prove anything Dem instigated investigations into him.


For......? Please quote exact lines where what she did she must be jailed for at this second? IIRC, he also said he would release his taxes if he were elected and he would give us all health care if he were elected and he would zero out the debt if he were elected
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Wed May 01, 2019 5:54 am

777Jet wrote:
winginit wrote:
afcjets wrote:

I actually think the buck will stop before Obama and he will be officially completely exonerated, no matter what he did or knew. I also think Obama thought the same thing and in part explains his boldness. No way America will stand for the indictment or dishonoring of the first “black” President, no matter what.


You didn't answer my question though. Trump campaigned on 'lock her up', and he's had two and a half years to indict Hillary Clinton and... nothing... why is that? Why are you allowing him to break campaign promises without pressure?


This is what disappoints me the most so far; Trump not going after crooked Hillary. Trump should go after her as per his campaign, and even more so now given the yet to prove anything Dem instigated investigations into him.

Patience. Trump had to wait for the Mueller report to come out or he would have been blamed for obstruction on the Russia Gate hoax. AG Bar did say that their is evidence of spying on Trump that needs to be investigated and has also said something about some investigations that will be released in June. Also, there are the Fisa warrants to be released.

The President can't just go after someone, that is why we have the DOJ and the investigations move at the DOJ's pace. The Clinton's have been playing the corruption game for a very long time and being as slimy as they are, Hillery may well slither away from this one. Let's hope not.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Wed May 01, 2019 4:51 pm

777Jet wrote:
winginit wrote:
afcjets wrote:

I actually think the buck will stop before Obama and he will be officially completely exonerated, no matter what he did or knew. I also think Obama thought the same thing and in part explains his boldness. No way America will stand for the indictment or dishonoring of the first “black” President, no matter what.


You didn't answer my question though. Trump campaigned on 'lock her up', and he's had two and a half years to indict Hillary Clinton and... nothing... why is that? Why are you allowing him to break campaign promises without pressure?


This is what disappoints me the most so far; Trump not going after crooked Hillary. Trump should go after her as per his campaign, and even more so now given the yet to prove anything Dem instigated investigations into him.


Has the thought crossed your mind that he in fact tried to go after her but there’s simply no evidence?
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Wed May 01, 2019 5:52 pm

stratclub wrote:
777Jet wrote:
winginit wrote:

You didn't answer my question though. Trump campaigned on 'lock her up', and he's had two and a half years to indict Hillary Clinton and... nothing... why is that? Why are you allowing him to break campaign promises without pressure?


This is what disappoints me the most so far; Trump not going after crooked Hillary. Trump should go after her as per his campaign, and even more so now given the yet to prove anything Dem instigated investigations into him.

Patience. Trump had to wait for the Mueller report to come out or he would have been blamed for obstruction on the Russia Gate hoax. AG Bar did say that their is evidence of spying on Trump that needs to be investigated and has also said something about some investigations that will be released in June. Also, there are the Fisa warrants to be released.

The President can't just go after someone, that is why we have the DOJ and the investigations move at the DOJ's pace. The Clinton's have been playing the corruption game for a very long time and being as slimy as they are, Hillery may well slither away from this one. Let's hope not.


"LOCK HER UP!" really?

Again, there have been years of investigations and the only thing that was found was Bill stained a blue dress. But keep investigating. You might find Hillary jaywalked.

As far as the REAL crook

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/northamerica/ ... ar-BBQtR6w

The current occupant of the White House sending threatening tweets to witnesses. That is illegal. And out there for the world to see.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Thu May 02, 2019 3:56 am

afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Was it ironic or intentional that your post is a textbook example of what Obama taught at the University of Chicago after spending his entire career in employing and training others in these tactics he learned from his socialist mentor?

Don't over think it. Just cawlin' it wut it iz: crazy talk.


Yes, any facts that make Obama look bad are surpressed and if exposed are just crazy talk.

No, just the crazy ones. Never mind the transparently hypocritical ones. And your koo koo for cocoa puffs Alinsky talk ticks both boxes.

afcjets wrote:
Did you read any of the articles linked above? The worst thing they could come up with the Trump Foundation involved a $25,000 payment. How many hundreds of millions did the Clinton Foundation raise for Haiti, where more than 90% never went anywhere near Haiti.

What did the Trump foundation fund? On it's own volition, without being shamed into it like his "donation" to vet charities?

stratclub wrote:
The President can't just go after someone, that is why we have the DOJ and the investigations move at the DOJ's pace. The Clinton's have been playing the corruption game for a very long time and being as slimy as they are, Hillery may well slither away from this one. Let's hope not.

You should definitely hold your breath. Definitely gonna get her this time! :rotfl:

afcjets wrote:
“How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off Poor Haitians....

They observed that a number of companies that received contracts in Haiti happened to be entities that made large donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Haitian contracts appeared less tailored to the needs of Haiti than to the needs of the companies that were performing the services. In sum, Haitian deals appeared to be a quid pro quo for filling the coffers of the Clintons...
The Clintons also funneled $10 million in federal loans to a firm called InnoVida, headed by Clinton donor Claudio Osorio. Osorio had loaded its board with Clinton cronies, including longtime Clinton ally General Wesley Clark; Hillary’s 2008 finance director Jonathan Mantz; and Democratic fundraiser Chris Korge who has helped raise millions for the Clintons.
Normally the loan approval process takes months or even years. But in this case, a government official wrote, “Former President Bill Clinton is personally in contact with the company to organize its logistical and support needs. And as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton has made available State Department resources to assist with logistical arrangements.”
InnoVida had not even provided an independently audited financial report that is normally a requirement for such applications. This requirement, however, was waived. On the basis of the Clinton connection, InnoVida’s application was fast-tracked and approved in two weeks.
The company, however, defaulted on the loan and never built any houses. An investigation revealed that Osorio had diverted company funds to pay for his Miami Beach mansion, his Maserati, and his Colorado ski chalet.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/07/ ... oundation/

Osorio is also in jail. Can we hope for the same with the Trump slush fund--I mean--Foundation? You know who was also on InnoVida's payroll? Jeb Bush.

Oh wait just saw this was written by felon conspiracy theorist and all around batsh!t insane--totally middle of the road republican at this point--Dinesh D'souza. Try harder.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Thu May 02, 2019 9:42 am

seb146 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
777Jet wrote:

This is what disappoints me the most so far; Trump not going after crooked Hillary. Trump should go after her as per his campaign, and even more so now given the yet to prove anything Dem instigated investigations into him.

Patience. Trump had to wait for the Mueller report to come out or he would have been blamed for obstruction on the Russia Gate hoax. AG Bar did say that their is evidence of spying on Trump that needs to be investigated and has also said something about some investigations that will be released in June. Also, there are the Fisa warrants to be released.

The President can't just go after someone, that is why we have the DOJ and the investigations move at the DOJ's pace. The Clinton's have been playing the corruption game for a very long time and being as slimy as they are, Hillery may well slither away from this one. Let's hope not.


"LOCK HER UP!" really?

Again, there have been years of investigations and the only thing that was found was Bill stained a blue dress. But keep investigating. You might find Hillary jaywalked.

As far as the REAL crook

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/northamerica/ ... ar-BBQtR6w

The current occupant of the White House sending threatening tweets to witnesses. That is illegal. And out there for the world to see.

Really? An anonymous Twitter account that has a screen name of Donald Trump as a source for Anything credible? The experts referred to in the articles title was only one person, Norman L. Eisen, co-founded CREW (Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington) a watch dog group that claims to be non-partisan but actually is very much Democrat leaning. Basically, the article pulled an old CNN/MSNBC mind trick on you and you swallowed it hook, line, sinker, boat and ocean.

Since the Tweets did not show anything posted that actually threatened anybody, the Mueller report did not report any chargeable offenses, even though $25 million of tax payer money, 18 angry Democratic lawyers 40 FBI agents and 2 1/2 years was wasted trying to frame Trump for collusion. Watch the witch hunt congressional hearings where the Demos are trying to barbecue AG Bar and be amazed at how slimy some democratic politicians can be. AG Bar did gave them a very informative primer in how law works.

Congressional hearings May 01 2019
Lindsey Graham BLISTERING Statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp-Rrk1UHp0
Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsH9ytT2YuQ
Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik8RDBvCF-M

Bonus: This rep from Hawaii clearly is the crème de la crème of Democratic slime. She was ordered to stop her "line of questioning" by the chairman which consisted of a tirade of slanderous insults hurled at AG Bar and Donald Trump. She did mention an affiliation with Adam Shiff. For months Adam "Shiff for brains" Shiff has been claiming to have evidence of collusion that apparently he forgot to turn over to the Mueller probe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDqO95KujEs
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Thu May 02, 2019 3:23 pm

stratclub wrote:
seb146 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
Patience. Trump had to wait for the Mueller report to come out or he would have been blamed for obstruction on the Russia Gate hoax. AG Bar did say that their is evidence of spying on Trump that needs to be investigated and has also said something about some investigations that will be released in June. Also, there are the Fisa warrants to be released.

The President can't just go after someone, that is why we have the DOJ and the investigations move at the DOJ's pace. The Clinton's have been playing the corruption game for a very long time and being as slimy as they are, Hillery may well slither away from this one. Let's hope not.


"LOCK HER UP!" really?

Again, there have been years of investigations and the only thing that was found was Bill stained a blue dress. But keep investigating. You might find Hillary jaywalked.

As far as the REAL crook

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/northamerica/ ... ar-BBQtR6w

The current occupant of the White House sending threatening tweets to witnesses. That is illegal. And out there for the world to see.

Really? An anonymous Twitter account that has a screen name of Donald Trump as a source for Anything credible? The experts referred to in the articles title was only one person, Norman L. Eisen, co-founded CREW (Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington) a watch dog group that claims to be non-partisan but actually is very much Democrat leaning. Basically, the article pulled an old CNN/MSNBC mind trick on you and you swallowed it hook, line, sinker, boat and ocean.

Since the Tweets did not show anything posted that actually threatened anybody, the Mueller report did not report any chargeable offenses, even though $25 million of tax payer money, 18 angry Democratic lawyers 40 FBI agents and 2 1/2 years was wasted trying to frame Trump for collusion. Watch the witch hunt congressional hearings where the Demos are trying to barbecue AG Bar and be amazed at how slimy some democratic politicians can be. AG Bar did gave them a very informative primer in how law works.

Congressional hearings May 01 2019
Lindsey Graham BLISTERING Statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp-Rrk1UHp0
Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsH9ytT2YuQ
Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik8RDBvCF-M

Bonus: This rep from Hawaii clearly is the crème de la crème of Democratic slime. She was ordered to stop her "line of questioning" by the chairman which consisted of a tirade of slanderous insults hurled at AG Bar and Donald Trump. She did mention an affiliation with Adam Shiff. For months Adam "Shiff for brains" Shiff has been claiming to have evidence of collusion that apparently he forgot to turn over to the Mueller probe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDqO95KujEs


So basically all you have is one senator and a whole bunch of angry name calling. So, again, we are done. You have provided nothing substantial other than you think you are being clever with your childish posts. Goodbye.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Thu May 02, 2019 3:31 pm

stratclub wrote:
even though $25 million of tax payer money,

It brought in more than $40MM in assets from Manafort alone. Meanwhile Iran Contra cost around $50MM--that's the one Bill Barr quashed in case you forgot. And the Ken Starr investigation into Clinton? Also around $50M. Mueller's report was a bargain, crazy pants!

stratclub wrote:
Congressional hearings May 01 2019
Lindsey Graham BLISTERING Statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp-Rrk1UHp0

Also Lindsey Graham, before a brain eating amoeba made him a senile frothing mess:
“I think [Trump]’s a kook. I think he’s crazy. I think he’s unfit for office.”
"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it."
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Thu May 02, 2019 6:53 pm

seb146 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
seb146 wrote:

"LOCK HER UP!" really?

Again, there have been years of investigations and the only thing that was found was Bill stained a blue dress. But keep investigating. You might find Hillary jaywalked.

As far as the REAL crook

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/northamerica/ ... ar-BBQtR6w

The current occupant of the White House sending threatening tweets to witnesses. That is illegal. And out there for the world to see.

Really? An anonymous Twitter account that has a screen name of Donald Trump as a source for Anything credible? The experts referred to in the articles title was only one person, Norman L. Eisen, co-founded CREW (Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington) a watch dog group that claims to be non-partisan but actually is very much Democrat leaning. Basically, the article pulled an old CNN/MSNBC mind trick on you and you swallowed it hook, line, sinker, boat and ocean.

Since the Tweets did not show anything posted that actually threatened anybody, the Mueller report did not report any chargeable offenses, even though $25 million of tax payer money, 18 angry Democratic lawyers 40 FBI agents and 2 1/2 years was wasted trying to frame Trump for collusion. Watch the witch hunt congressional hearings where the Demos are trying to barbecue AG Bar and be amazed at how slimy some democratic politicians can be. AG Bar did gave them a very informative primer in how law works.

Congressional hearings May 01 2019
Lindsey Graham BLISTERING Statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp-Rrk1UHp0
Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsH9ytT2YuQ
Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik8RDBvCF-M

Bonus: This rep from Hawaii clearly is the crème de la crème of Democratic slime. She was ordered to stop her "line of questioning" by the chairman which consisted of a tirade of slanderous insults hurled at AG Bar and Donald Trump. She did mention an affiliation with Adam Shiff. For months Adam "Shiff for brains" Shiff has been claiming to have evidence of collusion that apparently he forgot to turn over to the Mueller probe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDqO95KujEs


So basically all you have is one senator and a whole bunch of angry name calling. So, again, we are done. You have provided nothing substantial other than you think you are being clever with your childish posts. Goodbye.

Of course you didn't actually read my post with any attempt of comprehension or watch all of yesterdays hearing with an open mind, did you? Go ahead and keep letting CNN and MSNBC continue to tell you what to think.

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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Thu May 02, 2019 7:05 pm

Oops, double post. Do check out the vicious lies this Democrat just continues to spew over and over and over again without any shame whatsoever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opj_XYAtCaQ&t=22s
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Fri May 03, 2019 5:18 pm

Former White House council Don McGann has been subpoenaed to testify. But, his former boss is demanding he not testify and believes he is well within his rights to do that. Like he is a king or above the law or something.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Fri May 03, 2019 7:37 pm

Great news. The witch hunt needs to end. I suppose next will be some sort of sanctions and/or criminal action against Nadler and company because of criminal 4th amendment violations.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue May 07, 2019 5:10 am

Almost 400 Department of Justice prosecutors say the current occupant of the White House would have been charged with obstruction if he were not in his current office

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/ ... on-1305776

I am sure it is completely unrelated but he is also wanting another 2 years added to his term. Because, you know, he got nothing done while other people did stuff......
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue May 07, 2019 6:36 pm

In related news, Trump-appointed FBI Director Christopher Wray is refuting Barr's claims that 'spying' took place on the Trump campaign.
 
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Tue May 07, 2019 8:06 pm

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In related news, Trump-appointed FBI Director Christopher Wray is refuting Barr's claims that 'spying' took place on the Trump campaign.

Wray was objecting to AG Bars use of the term "Spying", not that some sort of illegal surveillance didn't occur. AG Bars use of the term "spying" in his own words encumpises the term "illegal surveillance."
Christopher Wray did say: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/christop ... uKNetoWUFy
"That's not the term I would use... to me the key question is making sure it's done by the book, consistent with our lawful authorities."

As usual, the Democrat's fake news spins someones simple statement using a false headline to try and start a false narrative.

In regards to spying, this isn't Christopher Wrays first rodeo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_A._Wray
Wray was Assistant Attorney General from 2003 to 2005, working under Deputy Attorney General James Comey. While heading the Criminal Division, Wray oversaw prominent fraud investigations, including Enron.[11][15] Wray nearly resigned alongside then FBI Director Robert Mueller and Deputy Attorney General James Comey due to illegal surveillance techniques the Bush administration had put in place.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue May 07, 2019 8:59 pm

stratclub wrote:
winginit wrote:
In related news, Trump-appointed FBI Director Christopher Wray is refuting Barr's claims that 'spying' took place on the Trump campaign.

Wray was objecting to AG Bars use of the term "Spying", not that some sort of illegal surveillance didn't occur. AG Bars use of the term "spying" in his own words encumpises the term "illegal surveillance."
Christopher Wray did say: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/christop ... uKNetoWUFy
"That's not the term I would use... to me the key question is making sure it's done by the book, consistent with our lawful authorities."

As usual, the Democrat's fake news spins someones simple statement using a false headline to try and start a false narrative.

In regards to spying, this isn't Christopher Wrays first rodeo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_A._Wray
Wray was Assistant Attorney General from 2003 to 2005, working under Deputy Attorney General James Comey. While heading the Criminal Division, Wray oversaw prominent fraud investigations, including Enron.[11][15] Wray nearly resigned alongside then FBI Director Robert Mueller and Deputy Attorney General James Comey due to illegal surveillance techniques the Bush administration had put in place.


So, Wray says it was not spying but legal surveillance but Democrats are spinning something because Wray made a clarification? Please explain how making a clarification is spin. Are you defending Bush era illegal surveillance or are you against legal surveillance done in 2016?
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue May 07, 2019 9:22 pm

Oh goodness! Now Wray is part of the “capital D” “capital S” Deep State! Lock him up too! Lock everybody up! LMAO! Notice the more respected conservatives aren’t even daring to ride the Crazy Train on this thread.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue May 07, 2019 9:40 pm

seb146 wrote:
Almost 400 Department of Justice prosecutors say the current occupant of the White House would have been charged with obstruction if he were not in his current office

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/ ... on-1305776

Well, If the Mueller Probe did not find that the possibility of a chargeable crime of obstruction did exist the case for an indictment would have been very weak. If there was chargeable evidence of obstruction the Mueller report would have made that finding and charges could be made after The President left office.

"Nearly 400 federal prosecutors on Monday said they believe President Donald Trump would have been charged with obstruction of justice if not for a longstanding Justice Department policy barring the indictment of a sitting president".

When trying to spin a false narrative, it is always good to have some nugget of truth before you go off of the rails. The part about a sitting President may well be true, but is irrelevant to guilt. How are the opinions of retired prosecutors with zero first hand knowledge and in many cases senile signing a letter of questionable origins relate to point of law regarding obstruction?

seb146 wrote:
I am sure it is completely unrelated but he is also wanting another 2 years added to his term. Because, you know, he got nothing done while other people did stuff......

You have been had by the NEVER acknowledged anything that President Trump has done Democratic narrative. The truth is that The Mighty Orange One has already accomplished more than the last two administrations.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue May 07, 2019 10:02 pm

seb146 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
winginit wrote:
In related news, Trump-appointed FBI Director Christopher Wray is refuting Barr's claims that 'spying' took place on the Trump campaign.

Wray was objecting to AG Bars use of the term "Spying", not that some sort of illegal surveillance didn't occur. AG Bars use of the term "spying" in his own words encumpises the term "illegal surveillance."
Christopher Wray did say: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/christop ... uKNetoWUFy
"That's not the term I would use... to me the key question is making sure it's done by the book, consistent with our lawful authorities."

As usual, the Democrat's fake news spins someones simple statement using a false headline to try and start a false narrative.

In regards to spying, this isn't Christopher Wrays first rodeo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_A._Wray
Wray was Assistant Attorney General from 2003 to 2005, working under Deputy Attorney General James Comey. While heading the Criminal Division, Wray oversaw prominent fraud investigations, including Enron.[11][15] Wray nearly resigned alongside then FBI Director Robert Mueller and Deputy Attorney General James Comey due to illegal surveillance techniques the Bush administration had put in place.


So, Wray says it was not spying but legal surveillance but Democrats are spinning something because Wray made a clarification? Please explain how making a clarification is spin. Are you defending Bush era illegal surveillance or are you against legal surveillance done in 2016?

No, Christopher Wray never made the distinction between illegal or legal spying (surveillance). His concern was AG Bars use of the term spying instead of the more PC term surveillance. In typical Demo narrative, the article's headline conflicts with what Christopher Wray actually said. That's where the spin is.

The reason I noted Bush era history is because it shows three of our current players involved in something shady in the past.
 
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Tue May 07, 2019 10:14 pm

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Oh goodness! Now Wray is part of the “capital D” “capital S” Deep State! Lock him up too! Lock everybody up! LMAO! Notice the more respected conservatives aren’t even daring to ride the Crazy Train on this thread.

No. Just that something he said was spun and used in a false narrative. Why should he be locked up for that?

You are right. I think that many Republican Conservative are just waiting for the Loony Tunes Democrat's string of bogus witch hunts to fizzle out. Must be something about staying squeaky clean in regard to the current nonsense.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue May 07, 2019 11:27 pm

stratclub wrote:
seb146 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
Wray was objecting to AG Bars use of the term "Spying", not that some sort of illegal surveillance didn't occur. AG Bars use of the term "spying" in his own words encumpises the term "illegal surveillance."
Christopher Wray did say: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/christop ... uKNetoWUFy
"That's not the term I would use... to me the key question is making sure it's done by the book, consistent with our lawful authorities."

As usual, the Democrat's fake news spins someones simple statement using a false headline to try and start a false narrative.

In regards to spying, this isn't Christopher Wrays first rodeo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_A._Wray
Wray was Assistant Attorney General from 2003 to 2005, working under Deputy Attorney General James Comey. While heading the Criminal Division, Wray oversaw prominent fraud investigations, including Enron.[11][15] Wray nearly resigned alongside then FBI Director Robert Mueller and Deputy Attorney General James Comey due to illegal surveillance techniques the Bush administration had put in place.


So, Wray says it was not spying but legal surveillance but Democrats are spinning something because Wray made a clarification? Please explain how making a clarification is spin. Are you defending Bush era illegal surveillance or are you against legal surveillance done in 2016?

No, Christopher Wray never made the distinction between illegal or legal spying (surveillance). His concern was AG Bars use of the term spying instead of the more PC term surveillance. In typical Demo narrative, the article's headline conflicts with what Christopher Wray actually said. That's where the spin is.

The reason I noted Bush era history is because it shows three of our current players involved in something shady in the past.


I know you are trying to change the narrative to make the Republicon party look like the only party this nation wants, completely ignoring what the Republicon party has done to the middle class and those who want to work. We can not thanks to the failed policies of the Republicon party.

Getting back on topic, those who know the law, not your orange god, actually understand and spell out reasons why he would be tried for obstruction, if he were not the self-proclaimed king. These people have varying political alliances but they all agree he is a fraud. And you are the biggest cheerleader for the Republicons and the leader of the fraud. Congratulations.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue May 07, 2019 11:31 pm

stratclub wrote:
johnboy wrote:
Oh goodness! Now Wray is part of the “capital D” “capital S” Deep State! Lock him up too! Lock everybody up! LMAO! Notice the more respected conservatives aren’t even daring to ride the Crazy Train on this thread.

No. Just that something he said was spun and used in a false narrative. Why should he be locked up for that?


Please tell us why he should be locked up for lying? The words he spoke were used exactly and verbatim. How is that spin? How is that a false narrative? Just because he repeats something over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over does not mean it is true.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Tue May 07, 2019 11:55 pm

seb146 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
johnboy wrote:
Oh goodness! Now Wray is part of the “capital D” “capital S” Deep State! Lock him up too! Lock everybody up! LMAO! Notice the more respected conservatives aren’t even daring to ride the Crazy Train on this thread.

No. Just that something he said was spun and used in a false narrative. Why should he be locked up for that?


Please tell us why he should be locked up for lying? The words he spoke were used exactly and verbatim. How is that spin? How is that a false narrative? Just because he repeats something over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over does not mean it is true.

Well Seb. My point is he should NOT be locked up like JohnBoy said, I think tongue in cheek.

The spin is that the headline of the article did not represent what Mr. Wray actually said in the article or during testimony. A false narrative is developed off of a spin of an article. You have to admit that at a glance many people would assume that Mr. Wray was saying that spying (surveillance) of any kind did not occur, which is not what he said.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Wed May 08, 2019 1:30 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Don't over think it. Just cawlin' it wut it iz: crazy talk.


Yes, any facts that make Obama look bad are surpressed and if exposed are just crazy talk.

No, just the crazy ones. Never mind the transparently hypocritical ones. And your koo koo for cocoa puffs Alinsky talk ticks both boxes.


Exactly what are you disputing in the linked article about Obama’s official training in Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, becoming a trainer himself, and later teaching a course in them at the University of Chicago? As for hypocrisy, please cite an example where a high profile Republican employs these tactics.



MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Did you read any of the articles linked above? The worst thing they could come up with the Trump Foundation involved a $25,000 payment. How many hundreds of millions did the Clinton Foundation raise for Haiti, where more than 90% never went anywhere near Haiti.



What did the Trump foundation fund? On it's own volition, without being shamed into it like his "donation" to vet charities?


The Trump Foundation was likely a way for a billionaire to exploit loopholes in the tax code to pay fewer taxes whereas the Clinton Foundation was a source of income and took someone who claimed they were broke to $145 million.



MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
“How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off Poor Haitians....

They observed that a number of companies that received contracts in Haiti happened to be entities that made large donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Haitian contracts appeared less tailored to the needs of Haiti than to the needs of the companies that were performing the services. In sum, Haitian deals appeared to be a quid pro quo for filling the coffers of the Clintons...
The Clintons also funneled $10 million in federal loans to a firm called InnoVida, headed by Clinton donor Claudio Osorio. Osorio had loaded its board with Clinton cronies, including longtime Clinton ally General Wesley Clark; Hillary’s 2008 finance director Jonathan Mantz; and Democratic fundraiser Chris Korge who has helped raise millions for the Clintons.
Normally the loan approval process takes months or even years. But in this case, a government official wrote, “Former President Bill Clinton is personally in contact with the company to organize its logistical and support needs. And as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton has made available State Department resources to assist with logistical arrangements.”
InnoVida had not even provided an independently audited financial report that is normally a requirement for such applications. This requirement, however, was waived. On the basis of the Clinton connection, InnoVida’s application was fast-tracked and approved in two weeks.
The company, however, defaulted on the loan and never built any houses. An investigation revealed that Osorio had diverted company funds to pay for his Miami Beach mansion, his Maserati, and his Colorado ski chalet.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/07/ ... oundation/


Osorio is also in jail. Can we hope for the same with the Trump slush fund--I mean--Foundation? You know who was also on InnoVida's payroll? Jeb Bush.

Oh wait just saw this was written by felon conspiracy theorist and all around batsh!t insane--totally middle of the road republican at this point--Dinesh D'souza. Try harder.


I forgot how people on your side have zero tolerance for minorities who don’t think the way you mandate, yet again you offer no specific example of what he says which is untrue. I assume you will like this source better:

“But one person even closer to the secretary of state was singing a different tune—very, very quietly. On February 22, after a four-day visit to the quake zone, Chelsea Clinton authored a seven-page memo which she addressed to “Dad, Mom,” and copied their chief aides. That informal report tells a continuing story of the unique brands of power and intelligence wielded by the Clinton family in Haiti and around the world—and of the uniquely Clinton ways they often undermine themselves.

First off, there was the secrecy. The memo—by a Clinton, with a master’s in public health from Columbia University, pursuing a doctorate in international relations from Oxford and with a prominent role at her family’s foundation—would have obliterated the public narrative of helpful outsiders saving grateful earthquake survivors that her mother’s State Department was working so hard to promote. Instead, like so much of the inner workings of the Clintons’ vast network, it was kept secret, released only in an ongoing dump of some 35,000 emails from Hillary’s private server, in response to a Freedom of Information Act Lawsuit wrapped up in the politics of the 2016 presidential election.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ail-213110
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Wed May 08, 2019 4:22 am

afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:

Yes, any facts that make Obama look bad are surpressed and if exposed are just crazy talk.

No, just the crazy ones. Never mind the transparently hypocritical ones. And your koo koo for cocoa puffs Alinsky talk ticks both boxes.


Exactly what are you disputing in the linked article about Obama’s official training in Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, becoming a trainer himself, and later teaching a course in them at the University of Chicago? As for hypocrisy, please cite an example where a high profile Republican employs these tactics.


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afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Did you read any of the articles linked above? The worst thing they could come up with the Trump Foundation involved a $25,000 payment. How many hundreds of millions did the Clinton Foundation raise for Haiti, where more than 90% never went anywhere near Haiti.



What did the Trump foundation fund? On it's own volition, without being shamed into it like his "donation" to vet charities?


The Trump Foundation was likely a way for a billionaire to exploit loopholes in the tax code to pay fewer taxes whereas the Clinton Foundation was a source of income and took someone who claimed they were broke to $145 million.


The Clinton Foundation can show they gave money to reputable sources for rebuilding Haiti. Sure, there was misappropriation of funds. But the paperwork is there that everyone in the chain was a charity to help Haiti. Not paying off hookers to stay quiet during the election.

afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
“How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off Poor Haitians....

They observed that a number of companies that received contracts in Haiti happened to be entities that made large donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Haitian contracts appeared less tailored to the needs of Haiti than to the needs of the companies that were performing the services. In sum, Haitian deals appeared to be a quid pro quo for filling the coffers of the Clintons...
The Clintons also funneled $10 million in federal loans to a firm called InnoVida, headed by Clinton donor Claudio Osorio. Osorio had loaded its board with Clinton cronies, including longtime Clinton ally General Wesley Clark; Hillary’s 2008 finance director Jonathan Mantz; and Democratic fundraiser Chris Korge who has helped raise millions for the Clintons.
Normally the loan approval process takes months or even years. But in this case, a government official wrote, “Former President Bill Clinton is personally in contact with the company to organize its logistical and support needs. And as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton has made available State Department resources to assist with logistical arrangements.”
InnoVida had not even provided an independently audited financial report that is normally a requirement for such applications. This requirement, however, was waived. On the basis of the Clinton connection, InnoVida’s application was fast-tracked and approved in two weeks.
The company, however, defaulted on the loan and never built any houses. An investigation revealed that Osorio had diverted company funds to pay for his Miami Beach mansion, his Maserati, and his Colorado ski chalet.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/07/ ... oundation/


Osorio is also in jail. Can we hope for the same with the Trump slush fund--I mean--Foundation? You know who was also on InnoVida's payroll? Jeb Bush.

Oh wait just saw this was written by felon conspiracy theorist and all around batsh!t insane--totally middle of the road republican at this point--Dinesh D'souza. Try harder.


I forgot how people on your side have zero tolerance for minorities who don’t think the way you mandate, yet again you offer no specific example of what he says which is untrue. I assume you will like this source better:

“But one person even closer to the secretary of state was singing a different tune—very, very quietly. On February 22, after a four-day visit to the quake zone, Chelsea Clinton authored a seven-page memo which she addressed to “Dad, Mom,” and copied their chief aides. That informal report tells a continuing story of the unique brands of power and intelligence wielded by the Clinton family in Haiti and around the world—and of the uniquely Clinton ways they often undermine themselves.

First off, there was the secrecy. The memo—by a Clinton, with a master’s in public health from Columbia University, pursuing a doctorate in international relations from Oxford and with a prominent role at her family’s foundation—would have obliterated the public narrative of helpful outsiders saving grateful earthquake survivors that her mother’s State Department was working so hard to promote. Instead, like so much of the inner workings of the Clintons’ vast network, it was kept secret, released only in an ongoing dump of some 35,000 emails from Hillary’s private server, in response to a Freedom of Information Act Lawsuit wrapped up in the politics of the 2016 presidential election.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ail-213110


Osorio said he could give aid to Haiti. He was trusted. He was a liar.

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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Wed May 08, 2019 5:46 am

Can you imagine the feeling when Chelsea Clinton realized that her parents are human filth? It must have been a crushing blow for her. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/ ... ils-229605

How do you explain to your child your pay to play deals in Haiti contributed to the 9,000 deaths from cholera? Hint: The Cholera Pandemic didn't start until 10 month's after the earthquake.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Thu May 09, 2019 1:21 am

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Can you imagine the feeling when Chelsea Clinton realized that her parents are human filth? It must have been a crushing blow for her. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/ ... ils-229605

How do you explain to your child your pay to play deals in Haiti contributed to the 9,000 deaths from cholera? Hint: The Cholera Pandemic didn't start until 10 month's after the earthquake.



Funny, it does not seem to bother the trump children that their father is human filth, corrupt and demeaning and a sexual predictor.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Fri May 10, 2019 3:47 am

afcjets wrote:
Exactly what are you disputing in the linked article about Obama’s official training in Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, becoming a trainer himself, and later teaching a course in them at the University of Chicago? As for hypocrisy, please cite an example where a high profile Republican employs these tactics.

I'm not sure what is more unhinged--holding onto Alinksy like a dog with a bone, or actually typing that you don't think Republicans employ the same tactics.



afcjets wrote:
The Trump Foundation was likely a way for a billionaire to exploit loopholes in the tax code to pay fewer taxes

Right. Scam. Just like everything else in Trump's life.
afcjets wrote:

I forgot how people on your side have zero tolerance for minorities who don’t think the way you mandate


I'm confused--what "minority" are you referring to here? Felons? Lunatics? Conspiracy theorists? People that make Alex Jones look grounded?

stratclub wrote:
Can you imagine the feeling when Chelsea Clinton realized that her parents are human filth? It must have been a crushing blow for her. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/ ... ils-229605

How do you explain to your child your pay to play deals in Haiti contributed to the 9,000 deaths from cholera? Hint: The Cholera Pandemic didn't start until 10 month's after the earthquake.

Much better when your children are in on the take with you, amirite? Especially when you've got a bangable daughter like evangelical messiah Trump
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Fri May 10, 2019 2:04 pm

afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Exactly what are you disputing in the linked article about Obama’s official training in Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, becoming a trainer himself, and later teaching a course in them at the University of Chicago? As for hypocrisy, please cite an example where a high profile Republican employs these tactics.

I'm not sure what is more unhinged--holding onto Alinksy like a dog with a bone, or actually typing that you don't think Republicans employ the same tactics.


Yet you still can’t give one example, except the obvious and desperate ones you try yourself in almost every response.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Fri May 10, 2019 2:18 pm

afcjets wrote:
afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
I'm not sure what is more unhinged--holding onto Alinksy like a dog with a bone, or actually typing that you don't think Republicans employ the same tactics.


Yet you still can’t give one example, except the obvious and desperate ones you try yourself in almost every response.


How about you give a discription of what makes Alinsky a dog with a bone, or a radical? How about you explain your Alex Jones Tin foil hat disparaging remarks.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Fri May 10, 2019 3:19 pm

casinterest wrote:
afcjets wrote:
afcjets wrote:


Yet you still can’t give one example, except the obvious and desperate ones you try yourself in almost every response.


How about you give a discription of what makes Alinsky a dog with a bone, or a radical? How about you explain your Alex Jones Tin foil hat disparaging remarks.


Why would anyone need to explain why they think a Alinsky is radical when he is famous for writing a book he titled “Rules for Radicals”. What is disparaging about believing the man? Or are you saying I am disparaging Barack Obama for teaching a course at the University of Chicago about him? I am only familiar with Northwestern, are you saying the University of Chicago is a tin foil hat center? Please clarify exactly who you feel is being disparaged and what the conspiracy theory is.
 
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Fri May 10, 2019 3:54 pm

afcjets wrote:
casinterest wrote:
afcjets wrote:

Yet you still can’t give one example, except the obvious and desperate ones you try yourself in almost every response.


How about you give a discription of what makes Alinsky a dog with a bone, or a radical? How about you explain your Alex Jones Tin foil hat disparaging remarks.


Why would anyone need to explain why they think a Alinsky is radical when he is famous for writing a book he titled “Rules for Radicals”. What is disparaging about believing the man? Or are you saying I am disparaging Barack Obama for teaching a course at the University of Chicago about him? I am only familiar with Northwestern, are you saying the University of Chicago is a tin foil hat center? Please clarify exactly who you feel is being disparaged and what the conspiracy theory is.

Nope
Nope and Nope
and Nope.

Seems you have no clue what Rules for Radicals is. Or no respect for what Alinsky did for people that are oppressed by lying racist cowards like Trump.
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Re: Fox Legal Commentator says trump obstructed justice.

Fri May 10, 2019 4:33 pm

casinterest wrote:
afcjets wrote:
casinterest wrote:

How about you give a discription of what makes Alinsky a dog with a bone, or a radical? How about you explain your Alex Jones Tin foil hat disparaging remarks.


Why would anyone need to explain why they think a Alinsky is radical when he is famous for writing a book he titled “Rules for Radicals”. What is disparaging about believing the man? Or are you saying I am disparaging Barack Obama for teaching a course at the University of Chicago about him? I am only familiar with Northwestern, are you saying the University of Chicago is a tin foil hat center? Please clarify exactly who you feel is being disparaged and what the conspiracy theory is.

Nope
Nope and Nope
and Nope.

Seems you have no clue what Rules for Radicals is. Or no respect for what Alinsky did for people that are oppressed by lying racist cowards like Trump.
It's clear you had no idea what it was from your previous post, but it's no surprise. Obama, the DNC, and most importantly the media (except Fox News) did a great job of keeping that hidden from you.

BTW, still waiting for you to say what the actual conspiracy theory you say this is all about is.

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