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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:10 am

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Low cost health care, low cost public education, public transit, housing assistance. All horrible, horrible things.


Do you think there is much good in it on scale? There isn't. Here in NYC, you have pretty much all City's outskirts living off hefty taxes paid by remainders of middle class in Manhattan. This City is ripping off the remainders of even upper middle class. Low income and rent stabilized housing occupies way too significant part of housing stock, causing market rate housing shortage and, again, exorbitant rents, again, for the same hard working people. Yes, they call it "fair share", but it boils down to just ripping off people who got their earning potential through their own hard work and lots of education. I am glad to see there are democratically elected governments in this country who still resist this urge to "tax the rich".

seb146 wrote:
If people wanted things like health care, education, transportation, housing, they shoudl have been born into money instead of working and demanding. So says the "moral" right.......


Not necessarily born into money. But certainly - each individual, each family - if they want more, they need to contribute to the society more and pay for it themselves, instead of demanding someone else "pay their fair share". You want more - go get more education, improve yourself, work harder and get it. Otherwise - stick with basics and don't complain on "fair income distribution". This is the main problem with all these liberals and socialists - they too much like counting someone else's money.
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:16 am

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The problem with taxation is whenever it is used to fund every social program a leftist can dream of. What about people who don't believe in leftist ideologies? Are they robbed through taxation at the barrel of a gun? If big cities want to tax themselves to death, let them. Let them fail like they always do (L.A., Chicago, NYC). But, cities should not impose their failed ideologies onto everyone else. This is a free country, not a centrally planned Soviet style, Venezuelan style centrally managed leftist hell-hole.


Agree. But the problem with at least NYC-style liberals a-la AOC is that once they get to Washington DC they immediately begin to force their views on the whole country and then some. And aren't really eager to acknowledge that other people also have rights to their viewpoints. Look what they are doing now - 70% "tax for the rich", "housing crisis" with nationwide rent regulations, etc.
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:34 am

greendot wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
greendot wrote:

That's because California has stopped enforcing laws or decriminalized behaviors that are illegal elsewhere.

You have any proof of that or are you off your lithium again?


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cali ... ostitution


Aww bless. Your right wing opiate garbage rag that even by its own admission is listed as ‘opinion’ hardly constitutes proof.

Gonna have to try harder, Gramps.
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:46 am

anrec80 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Low cost health care, low cost public education, public transit, housing assistance. All horrible, horrible things.


Do you think there is much good in it on scale? There isn't. Here in NYC, you have pretty much all City's outskirts living off hefty taxes paid by remainders of middle class in Manhattan. This City is ripping off the remainders of even upper middle class. Low income and rent stabilized housing occupies way too significant part of housing stock, causing market rate housing shortage and, again, exorbitant rents, again, for the same hard working people. Yes, they call it "fair share", but it boils down to just ripping off people who got their earning potential through their own hard work and lots of education. I am glad to see there are democratically elected governments in this country who still resist this urge to "tax the rich".

seb146 wrote:
If people wanted things like health care, education, transportation, housing, they shoudl have been born into money instead of working and demanding. So says the "moral" right.......


Not necessarily born into money. But certainly - each individual, each family - if they want more, they need to contribute to the society more and pay for it themselves, instead of demanding someone else "pay their fair share". You want more - go get more education, improve yourself, work harder and get it. Otherwise - stick with basics and don't complain on "fair income distribution". This is the main problem with all these liberals and socialists - they too much like counting someone else's money.


This is complete and total BS. I so want to use the whole word but this is a lie of the highest order. We who work and still fall behind are told that we are the problem because we don't work enough. We who work are told that we are the problem because we do not contribute enough. How much is enough? When do we who work (like a majority of the adults) get affordable health care, affordable housing, affordable education? When? We have been waiting for 30+ years and it is high time we stared seeing returns on our investments (read: giving our tax dollars to the 1%)
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:50 am

Conservatives are infesting the USA. See what I did there?
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:07 am

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Conservatives are infesting the USA. See what I did there?


:spin: Can go a step further and think like V’Ger in the original Star Trek picture: carbon units infest ‘Enterprise’ and the Creator’s planet.
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:12 am

This is not just left vs right. This is urban vs rural. Given Dallas is an urban city, they will of course choose actions that make sense in urban environment despite rest of Texas might not agree
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:14 am

I wonder what is the OP's real "solution" is to this "infestation"?
The rhetoric is over the top. Please turn off Fox News and stop reading Drudge, it is rotting your brain.
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:17 am

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This is complete and total BS. I so want to use the whole word but this is a lie of the highest order. We who work and still fall behind are told that we are the problem because we don't work enough. We who work are told that we are the problem because we do not contribute enough.


Here there are 2 problems. First - overwhelming majority of government spending is on all social programs, funding them from your own taxes. And to add insult to an injury - they give this money to someone who has never worked and never will - to compete with you for housing in an area you need to live in to access economic opportunities you need to support yourself. Hence these things need to be slashed drastically, or better yet - eliminated completely.

seb146 wrote:
How much is enough? When do we who work (like a majority of the adults) get affordable health care, affordable housing, affordable education? When? We have been waiting for 30+ years and it is high time we stared seeing returns on our investments


What do you call "affordable"? How do you define that? USA is big and diverse country, and there are many places where housing is rather cheap. But what most people do? They want to live in prime areas like NYC, by using "affordable housing" and "housing crisis", "fair housing" narrative they just demand that that someone gives them the place at 1/3 of its fair market value, citing various reasons. Well - gotta make compromises, agree to a different lifestyle, to a smaller place, moving to a different area. Tens of millions of people in this world are finding they can no longer afford where they used to live, and they all rebuild their life on a new spot. There is no tragedy anywhere here. Education is a similar story - there are many ways, both expensive and affordable, to get it and enter adult life.

Healthcare - it's complicated. There are very few countries in this world (if any at all) where they got it right. In the USA it's available, but costly - yes. In Canada - it's officially free, but one year wait for a specialist appointment anyone? They don't whine for availability, but they complain on accessibility to healthcare. With ageing population, this is a problem everywhere.

seb146 wrote:
(read: giving our tax dollars to the 1%)


You know what - at some point I stopped accepting these "1%" arguments. First, these people achieved what they have due to their own hard work, education, stress and countless nights in the office. Nothing comes for free in this world. They did not take anything away from you, and instead are being charged outright extractive tax rates. And last but not least - nearly everything these people have made comes back to the society in donations to charities that support causes in less-advantaged communities, scholarships and bursaries for those in need to get access to education. Hence the effective and total tax rate on that wealth in the long run is nearly 100%. You are not being robbed at all.
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:17 am

If we pray real hard maybe baby jebus can save Texas from the liberals?
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:19 am

c933103 wrote:
This is not just left vs right. This is urban vs rural. Given Dallas is an urban city, they will of course choose actions that make sense in urban environment despite rest of Texas might not agree


Not just that. Have you noticed that liberal ideology flourishes the most in wealthiest parts of the country (NYC, CA, Chicago)? Liberal ideologists and their business groups know where money is to be made, and go straight there. We aren't discussing Montana, Idaho or Alabama becoming a swing state or getting influx of liberals - right?
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:43 am

anrec80 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
This is complete and total BS. I so want to use the whole word but this is a lie of the highest order. We who work and still fall behind are told that we are the problem because we don't work enough. We who work are told that we are the problem because we do not contribute enough.


Here there are 2 problems. First - overwhelming majority of government spending is on all social programs, funding them from your own taxes. And to add insult to an injury - they give this money to someone who has never worked and never will - to compete with you for housing in an area you need to live in to access economic opportunities you need to support yourself. Hence these things need to be slashed drastically, or better yet - eliminated completely.

seb146 wrote:
How much is enough? When do we who work (like a majority of the adults) get affordable health care, affordable housing, affordable education? When? We have been waiting for 30+ years and it is high time we stared seeing returns on our investments


What do you call "affordable"? How do you define that? USA is big and diverse country, and there are many places where housing is rather cheap. But what most people do? They want to live in prime areas like NYC, by using "affordable housing" and "housing crisis", "fair housing" narrative they just demand that that someone gives them the place at 1/3 of its fair market value, citing various reasons. Well - gotta make compromises, agree to a different lifestyle, to a smaller place, moving to a different area. Tens of millions of people in this world are finding they can no longer afford where they used to live, and they all rebuild their life on a new spot. There is no tragedy anywhere here. Education is a similar story - there are many ways, both expensive and affordable, to get it and enter adult life.

Healthcare - it's complicated. There are very few countries in this world (if any at all) where they got it right. In the USA it's available, but costly - yes. In Canada - it's officially free, but one year wait for a specialist appointment anyone? They don't whine for availability, but they complain on accessibility to healthcare. With ageing population, this is a problem everywhere.

seb146 wrote:
(read: giving our tax dollars to the 1%)


You know what - at some point I stopped accepting these "1%" arguments. First, these people achieved what they have due to their own hard work, education, stress and countless nights in the office. Nothing comes for free in this world. They did not take anything away from you, and instead are being charged outright extractive tax rates. And last but not least - nearly everything these people have made comes back to the society in donations to charities that support causes in less-advantaged communities, scholarships and bursaries for those in need to get access to education. Hence the effective and total tax rate on that wealth in the long run is nearly 100%. You are not being robbed at all.


Affordable housing - you presume that people want to be in ‘premier’ areas, forgetting some have roots or are born there, and further that people who ca5 afford things need to move. Perhaps that is partially true, but before greed completely took over there was a sliding scale of housing prices that made supporting roles in an urban economy capable of living there. The wealthy need cooks, fitters, drivers etc - are those jobs in say, Manhattan, supposed to just drive 100 miles a day forever? Something has changed now, to the point where crap housing stock and locations are renting at rates the reach of those who don’t command strong incomes. This is both economically unhealthy and unsustainable.

And be careful about these broad brush arguments - supposedly middle America felt ‘left out’ and economically maligned and that has fueled today’s populism against both liberalism and the 1% - who comprise both sides of the poltical fence. Well using your logic, we should simply tell them: ‘too bad, investors don’t like your state, so if you want a job, you should move - roots or lifestyle be damned.’

As for healthcare, having been an expat for years and with a global circle of friends, you need to be exposed to information from outside the fishbowl. No, public systems are not perfect everywhere, but most people in the English-speaking world are not waiting like Canadians, have good or better outcomes than Americans, and pay far, far less. In Japan I was able to see any doctor, visit any clinic, get an appointment for anything important within two weeks, see ratings for doctors online, never have coverage lapse when changing jobs, all for a tax of about $180/month. Swiss, German, Israeli, South African, Kiwi colleagues all report similar things - US prices and ‘network’ restrictions are completely out of whack.
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:48 am

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I wonder what is the OP's real "solution" is to this "infestation"?
The rhetoric is over the top. Please turn off Fox News and stop reading Drudge, it is rotting your brain.


Honestly liberals should START reading drudge just to understand how dangerous the rhetoric they are spoon-fed is. I don't think people take it seriously enough.
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:54 am

stratclub wrote:
https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/dallas-da-creuzot-under-fire-for-criminal-justice-reforms-11646752
"Dallas County District Attorney John Creuzot defended his recent decision to stop prosecuting certain quality-of-life crimes over the objections of members of the Dallas City Council's Public Safety and Criminal Justice Committee on Monday. The reforms, Creuzot said, are meant to make Dallas a safer, more equitable city, not to enable those who commit low-level offenses, as critics of the new policies have accused Creuzot of doing".

The best way to lower crime? Do like California does and don't enforce laws.


Regarding the thread title....LOL...democracy baby, get used to it!!! Cry me a river snow flake!
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:25 pm

The thread title says it all. 'infest' - (of animals and insects that carry disease) to cause a problem by being present in large numbers

What OP does is he dehumanizes other people. The caricature of a president loves doing that. Once you consider other people as no human anymore there is of course no more reason to treat them well or not to kill them. Language is important. He calls people 'animals' and this leads to violence.

Last one who did that successful was A. Hitler. People got the rhetoric in their heads and started treating jews like animals. We all know where it ended.
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:58 pm

"Broken Windows" policing has been proven by police agencies, criminologists and statisticians as a proven means of reducing crime by checking it on the small stage. It's a diagnostic tool for law enforcement as well.

By willfully ignoring laws, refusing to enforce them, you embolden those who would commit criminal acts. Tis the way of things and human nature, and has been borne out time and time again.
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:02 pm

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Obviously, California is not going to stop enforcing all crimes, but for those crimes they don't enforce, it does lower the overall crime rate. There is a reason you can not have nice things in California.


Lol have you ever been to California?!
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:09 pm

greendot wrote:
BN747 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/dallas-da-creuzot-under-fire-for-criminal-justice-reforms-11646752
"Dallas County District Attorney John Creuzot defended his recent decision to stop prosecuting certain quality-of-life crimes over the objections of members of the Dallas City Council's Public Safety and Criminal Justice Committee on Monday. The reforms, Creuzot said, are meant to make Dallas a safer, more equitable city, not to enable those who commit low-level offenses, as critics of the new policies have accused Creuzot of doing".

The best way to lower crime? Do like California does and don't enforce laws.


Criminal Justice Reform? That's only a problem for people who don't believe there's an horrific injustice (for centuries) in the American (especially Texas)...like YOU.

But some semblance of equal Justice is coming, finally...starting with the asswipes who killed James Byrd Jr by tying him to their pickup and dragging him a few miles until his body was rtipped apart and strewn all over the place.

https://meaww.com/death-row-inmate-bizarre-last-meal-request-resulted-tradition-banned-dragging-death-james-byrd-jr
A white supremacist, John William King, who was executed on April 24 in Texas for the 1998 dragging death of James Byrd Jr., was denied the option of choosing his final meal all thanks to fellow killer who got the tradition banned.

I don't there's more than 3 or 4 cases (if that many of white killers escape death for murdering blacks and Asians & Latinos).
The good ol' Texas are changing FOR THE BETTER.

Future Texas will, rid itself of lame sell out politicians like Cruz and elect more (and real Latinos) to power as they are doing with the Castro Bros.
It will see more equality in the enforcement of Justice for all citizens.
WEED will become legal.
They stop whitewashing History books and return them to covering 'a complete history of America instead of jesus and Dinosaurs BS.
Texas is headed this way ->BLUE.

Then the old Texans will relocate to Idaho & Wyoming...who should be reduced to 1 Senator each in the next decade or so.

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Didn't Trump just get some of the best legislation passed for Criminal Justice Reform? I never saw the left do anything comparable. What is their crowning achievement? Legalizing child prostitution and infecting others with HIV is no longer a felony?

Why are leftists so enamored with chemical addictions like weed? Are their lives so pathetic that they cannot see beauty in life that they need to be chemically altered just to survive?

What is wrong with Ted Cruz? He's a real Hispanic, unlike Beto 'Beta' O'Roarke. Real Hispanics (like me), are hard workers, value education, serve in our military, follow laws, and we think for ourselves rather than some collectivist leftist monoculture who have never actually accomplished anything except for masterpieces such as Venezuela, Soviet Russia, and even National Socialism. Cruz is a Constitutionalist. The left has no real principles - it changes depending on what they need to claim to believe at the time to get voters. Remember when Bill Clinton and even the Democrat party talked about the danger of illegal immigration. It's funny how they have gone 180 degrees the other way to get voters in their permanent underclass.

Humans have deep faults. Christians understand this because they pray allegiance and thanks to God, who is perfect and whom we cannot imitate because of our flawed natures. Is this why leftists hate Christians so much? Is it because leftists believe in the supremeness of the human above all else? In the short term, this arrogance always results in winning a few battles. How many left leaning people have won the war? None. Texas may go blue but it will swing back in the same way that the Democrats have had to resort to importing their voter base and selling igloos to Eskimos just to get votes. Leftists will always lose in the end. The only question is, how much harm will they do on the way?


You must be another child here talking about things you know nothing about or an adult who lives on the internet.
1. Weed/Marijuana is a natural plant. If you don't know that..stop now. And learn.
2. People hooked of the killing drugs and opiods (which they will kill to get) are who you should be worry about.
3. If you know any Republican adults (and kids over 12 (in Red States), I guarantee you 7 out of 10 are smoking weed right now) It's more widespread than you can begin to understand.
4. Of the few Republicans I know, all of them except 1 is a weed smoker and the rest are also adderal, ecstasy, and cocaine users.

greendot wrote:
What is wrong with Ted Cruz? He's a real Hispanic, unlike Beto 'Beta' O'Roarke. Real Hispanics (like me), are hard workers, value education, serve in our military, follow laws, and we think for ourselves rather than some collectivist leftist monoculture who have never actually accomplished anything except for masterpieces such as Venezuela, Soviet Russia, and even National Socialism. Cruz is a Constitutionalist.


Yep you're a Ted Cruz hispanic, REAL Hispanics that I know and have partied with, gone to weddings, funerals and traveled back and forth through Mexico with are re hard workers, value education, serve in our military, follow laws and are PROUD of their Latin backgrounds...unlike you. You;re type of 'hispanic (if you really are) that would be found in a corner pissing and crying on yourself if your car broke down in East LA, if that happena I sure hope you're not wearing your 'I love Ted Cruz' t-shirt. You won't make thru the night.


greendot wrote:
The left has no real principles -


Just like Marijuana your knowledge of Liberals is what your heard from Rush.

greendot wrote:
Humans have deep faults.


It's in our DNA, we are wired that way and fighting against our very animal instincts.

greendot wrote:
Christians understand this because they pray allegiance and thanks to God, who is perfect and whom we cannot imitate because of our flawed natures. Is this why leftists hate Christians so much? Is it because leftists believe in the supremeness of the human above all else? In the short term, this arrogance always results in winning a few battles.


Christians, Muslims, Jews and the rest believe in man made fallacies. They call it 'FAITH' in their believes. Faith is a man-made concept, just like Justice...it's real for some and non-existent for billions. Out side of this Earth, there is no such thing. There is no justice, Faith or god for the other septillion (a billion trillion) other inhabitant planets in this universe. Those 'terms' and their meanings belong here on this planet and nowhere else.

For Christianity (and any other religions) to present itself as having a monopoly on Universal Truth is the biggest flaw in humankind. The ultimate act of ARROGANCE!

You (religious believers) ..know nothing.

YOU people stand on the shoulders of those stone age fools who scripted pages of contradicting, conflicting, allegorical nonsense that keep their stories straight.

We stand on the shoulders of the greatest minds that made enormous sacrifices at risk of looking foolish but paved the way for all the modern day conveniences you use today, from a toilet, to your microwave, your car, the computer/internet you are using to read this, jetliners to space probes. Your god had no hand in any of this, he cherishes goats, pigs (sorry pigs, no he doesn't), cows and
chariots and needs you people to constantly praise him.

But were it not for Giordano Bruno, Galileo Galilei, Nicolas Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Niels Bohr, George LaMaitre, Edwin Hubble, Einstein to Ed Witten and many more...you'd still be wearing sheepskin clothes and sandals while eating gruel and potato soup.
Luckily, those people did stop at some stupid pile of paper that is better used as toilet paper.

Religious text is perfect for people who have no wish, no desire to know anything else about their world nor anything beyond it. It's really great for people who find critical thinking a problem as it hurts their brains to use it.

greendot wrote:
How many left leaning people have won the war? None.

Well that's poker game level bullsh*t right there.
Which war do you wish try that ignorant ass argument on, please...make my day! No one who claims to have served in the military (like you) would dare say something that asinine.

greendot wrote:
Texas may go blue but it will swing back in the same way that the Democrats have had to resort to importing their voter base and selling igloos to Eskimos just to get votes. Leftists will always lose in the end. The only question is, how much harm will they do on the way?


You OWE every right that you take the advantage of and clearly do not appreciate to leftist struggles.
Fair Labor Laws (your 8 hour work day)
Laws against Child labor
Social Security
Laws to assure clean drinking water
Laws for safety at work
Laws against sexual harrassement.
Laws for safety of your vehicles, buses, airplanes and ships.
Laws for safety in the foods you consume.
Consumer Protections against unfair banking practices
A free Public Education
Equal pay and fair pay for labor
...much much more.

But please, feel free to fight against those things as hard as you are trashing them, please tell everyone you know how you hate these things.
How you hate common sense and would much more prefer to submit to Authoritarianism Rule. We hear you loud and clear.

Clear enough to know that warped conservative minds are still fighting against those things and if they had their way all of that would disappear in a heartbeat.
After all, just like this MORALLY 'loaded' post by greendot is illustrious exemplar of the 31% - Super Religious, Super Moralistic, Super Values, Super Honest ALL while publicly embracing the MOST IMMORAL man ever to hold office, the biggest Coward (ran 5 times[illegally] from Military service while trashing the Gold Star families, dead veterans, a man who lies to their very faces (and everyone else's as well) every day - But no, to you..the moral christian, he's your hero and this just what America needs - according to YOU.


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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:13 pm

mdsh00 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
Obviously, California is not going to stop enforcing all crimes, but for those crimes they don't enforce, it does lower the overall crime rate. There is a reason you can not have nice things in California.


Lol have you ever been to California?!


You think the OP had been out of his trailer park?

P.S. On another side note for the OP, "Infest"? Seriously, have you ever been to Texas? It's only still red thanks to all those s**thole towns with s**t economy still vote for Republicans. Oh...and once you pissed off enough people in the like of Collin County or Williamson County (or my former home, Fort Bend County which had turn blue in recent elections), Texas will turn blue. Well...ok, if Montgomery County turn blue, that will definitely be nightmare for Republicans.

Yes, Dallas is no Austin/Travis County, or RGV, but it has stay Democrats for as long as I can think.
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:18 pm

slider wrote:
"Broken Windows" policing has been proven by police agencies, criminologists and statisticians as a proven means of reducing crime by checking it on the small stage. It's a diagnostic tool for law enforcement as well.

By willfully ignoring laws, refusing to enforce them, you embolden those who would commit criminal acts. Tis the way of things and human nature, and has been borne out time and time again.


Is Texas government currently liberal or conservative? Who's ignoring laws and not enforcing them? Is there a graph which shows crime rates verse a 'Liberal' or 'Conservative' government? I'd love to see one! Facts rather than bull#%&!
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:41 pm

stratclub wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
greendot wrote:
I had asked you about evidence of the successes of leftist policies but I've only gotten empty statements. Sorry but that business insider article is nowhere near enough data to make an informed decision. That's simply aggregate statistics with too many assumption behind it in order to use it for useful speculation. Show me some really large datasets, let me look at the assumptions, then I can analyze your viewpoint. I'm quite good at studying large datasets with Matlab (or most math packages). Give me real data and I might agree with your statements if they can be proven to be empirically true.

Got it--freely available federal funding and taxes by state is too complicated for you. Then where did you draw your conclusion that California is a net taker? $1 you can't support that with any evidence.

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My evidence is history. Leftist ideologies have only resulted in Venezuela, Cuba, and the Soviet Union. This country was founded by entrepreneurs who used capitalism to create where nothing had been created before. California would be nothing had not a group of scientists and engineers not worked to create the transistor. Even the transistor needed a jumpstart from the vacuum tube, which was developed out of a need for telecomm companies of the time needing a way to amplify voice transmissions across great distances. The space program was a success largely because of the individuals in various corporations who designed different parts of the various technologies ranging from space suits to rocket engines. In more modern history, companies like Apple were started by 2 individuals with a great idea which they took to market. There are literally thousands of examples of the benefits of a capitalistic economy. Where is your great example? You seem quite unhinged when someone is critical of what you believe but you won't defend it with facts.

Again, zero evidence but a whole lotta meaningless mumbo jumbo. Homelessness is up over the last couple years in spite of the improved economy so now what? Where have conservatives successfully reduced homelessness? Give us a link, not your crazy train to Jade Helm

Well actually the homeless situation in California is because of Democrats that have totally lost their minds lunatic legislation.

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possibility of another crooked, lieing, cheating greedy, woman molesting immoral and a danger to Democratic Ideals person


Speaking of cheating, immoral, lying politicians from the South, could you be referring to Slick Willie?

GF



But, but, but, but Clinton. Plesae get a new line.


This is the best post ever, your line is repeated almost daily by many on your side almost verbatim (actually you were original in that you repeated but four times instead of three, and used the last name since you were referring to her husband), and you tell someone else to get a new line? :rotfl:

Don’t be surprised when your hypocrisy is always pointed out by specific examples. Perhaps one of you can come up with something more original next time, and you can all repeat it for years to come.
 
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afcjets wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:

Speaking of cheating, immoral, lying politicians from the South, could you be referring to Slick Willie?

GF



But, but, but, but Clinton. Plesae get a new line.


This is the best post ever, your line is repeated almost daily by many on your side almost verbatim (actually you were original in that you repeated but four times instead of three, and used the last name since you were referring to her husband), and you tell someone else to get a new line? :rotfl:

Don’t be surprised when your hypocrisy is always pointed out by specific examples. Perhaps one of you can come up with something more original next time, and you can all repeat it for years to come.


Anytime anything is debated, the Republican response is "but but but HILLARY!!!" like that is supposed to end all debate and change everyone's minds. Let's take a look at why you all are obsessed with Hillary being the "bad guy" in literally every situation:

She asked the agents in Benghazi if they wanted added security, even though it was not in her budget. They declined. When the fighting started, our security forces could not get there in seconds. She accepted responsibility.

She used private emails and servers just like Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell and many in the current administration. She admitted it and insisted the rules be changed and made more clear so this does not happen again.

She hired a man to work with her charity who had left his Russian backed company years before.

Apparently, there is new information coming out any second now that she did something criminal. We all just have to wait for it because it will happen any time now. Just wait. It will be big. That's what I was told.

Stop bringing up Hillary every damn time. It makes you all look desperate and uninformed. Actually, strike that. Since that is all you have, keep using it. We know your dirty little secret: You all can not defend your own party leader because he is a fraud. It's okay to admit it. The rest of the world already knows.

EDIT:

I forgot she ate pizza once. THE NERVE!!!
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Oh, and don't forget that she committed the treasonous act of playing the State Department for financial gain while Secretary of State which apparently is a minor crime compared to eating pizza. Trying to frame a Presidential candidate? Just a clerical error.

Finally!!! Knowing that she knowingly committed the unconscionable crime of knowingly eating pizza we have her on something. Boy oh boy!!! is she in a lot of trouble now. Of course being a Clinton, she will just slither out of this one as well.
 
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And Colin Powell and Condoleeza did not use bleach bit or whatever it is that none of us had ever heard of before her, and they didn't destroy their hard drives with a hammer once they were put under investigation (sorta sounds like obstruction of justice, doesn't it? in a very subtle way of course). Not that they were ever under investigation either.
 
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Oh, and don't forget that she committed the treasonous act of playing the State Department for financial gain while Secretary of State which apparently is a minor crime compared to eating pizza. Trying to frame a Presidential candidate? Just a clerical error.

What on earth are you talking about? How many drugs are you on? You might want to double check them for severe interactions.
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:55 pm

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You're not gonna win arguments with liberals with statements like "infesting", but I'll humor you: did you expect Texas to receive KY's and WV's rednecks? Have you been paying attention to projections that Texas may soon be a swing state?


I cannot speak for the good folks from Kentucky, but I can speak for us rednecks from West Virginia. While we do enjoy visiting Texas as well as almost anywhere in America we, for the most part, prefer to stay right here in Appalachia.

I don't know you personally, and I assume you are a right likable person. However, I have to ask, did you intend to make it sound as if being from West Virginia and a redneck is somehow a bad thing? It sure seems that way. Neither is true by the way.
 
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Are you a far left Democrat? your pointless attack to my state of mind sure indicates that. Just keep insulting people and living in your alternate universe were the left's media will tell you what to think. Crimes that I referred to were in fact committed by HRC, the DNC and Obama's DOJ and FBI and now that the illegal RussiaGate witch hunt has run it's course, AG Bar can now concentrate on the possibility of illegal spying (witch hunt) of the Trump campaign that he referred to in his testimony before congress.
 
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And Colin Powell and Condoleeza did not use bleach bit or whatever it is that none of us had ever heard of before her, and they didn't destroy their hard drives with a hammer once they were put under investigation (sorta sounds like obstruction of justice, doesn't it? in a very subtle way of course). Not that they were ever under investigation either.


Are you talking about BitBleach?

https://money.cnn.com/2016/08/26/techno ... bleachbit/

A computer security expert said BitBleach is "a fairly amateur tool" and that "[s]omeone trying to cover their tracks would likely pay for and use a much more expensive, specialized data destruction tool."

So, there goes another conspiracy theory down the drain.

BTW, since "both sides do it" I am assuming you MAGA fan boys will raise hell to find out why Mitt Romney bought every last computer that was used during his time at Massachusetts governor and physically destroyed them so no data could be recovered? You all are obsessed with the horrible crimes you all think are being covered up because "both sides do it" so go after Romney too.
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Maybe this has been going on for awhile, but after reading about the DA's letter, https://www.dallascounty.org/Assets/upl ... il2019.pdf I began noticing how at the Supermarket, that the expensive baby formula items were now locked behind a glass case...
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afcjets wrote:
And Colin Powell and Condoleeza did not use bleach bit or whatever it is that none of us had ever heard of before her, and they didn't destroy their hard drives with a hammer once they were put under investigation (sorta sounds like obstruction of justice, doesn't it? in a very subtle way of course). Not that they were ever under investigation either.


Are you talking about BitBleach?

https://money.cnn.com/2016/08/26/techno ... bleachbit/

A computer security expert said BitBleach is "a fairly amateur tool" and that "[s]omeone trying to cover their tracks would likely pay for and use a much more expensive, specialized data destruction tool."

So, there goes another conspiracy theory down the drain.

BTW, since "both sides do it" I am assuming you MAGA fan boys will raise hell to find out why Mitt Romney bought every last computer that was used during his time at Massachusetts governor and physically destroyed them so no data could be recovered? You all are obsessed with the horrible crimes you all think are being covered up because "both sides do it" so go after Romney too.


A hammer works great too, just ask Hillary.

Please remind us what Mitt Romney was being investigated for.
 
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Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:21 am

afcjets wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:

Speaking of cheating, immoral, lying politicians from the South, could you be referring to Slick Willie?

GF



But, but, but, but Clinton. Plesae get a new line.


This is the best post ever, your line is repeated almost daily by many on your side almost verbatim (actually you were original in that you repeated but four times instead of three, and used the last name since you were referring to her husband), and you tell someone else to get a new line? :rotfl:

Don’t be surprised when your hypocrisy is always pointed out by specific examples. Perhaps one of you can come up with something more original next time, and you can all repeat it for years to come.




Surely you know a put on when you see it, sarcasm when you read it and disrespect for the But, but, but, but, but, but cry from the whiners of the right. My goodness ,you guys act like you have a pole stuck up there. Admit it, you guys try to act like Super Patriots, defenders of the Motherland and yet you back a loser, a crook, a liar who has no honor. Do you guys really know what honor is ? This draft dodger is a laughable spectacle when he dons his military regalia. The men who served, and died must be turning over in their graves, including my Hero John McCain. Come on guys, try to act like you really know what honor and respect is. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
And Colin Powell and Condoleeza did not use bleach bit or whatever it is that none of us had ever heard of before her, and they didn't destroy their hard drives with a hammer once they were put under investigation (sorta sounds like obstruction of justice, doesn't it? in a very subtle way of course). Not that they were ever under investigation either.


Are you talking about BitBleach?

https://money.cnn.com/2016/08/26/techno ... bleachbit/

A computer security expert said BitBleach is "a fairly amateur tool" and that "[s]omeone trying to cover their tracks would likely pay for and use a much more expensive, specialized data destruction tool."

So, there goes another conspiracy theory down the drain.

BTW, since "both sides do it" I am assuming you MAGA fan boys will raise hell to find out why Mitt Romney bought every last computer that was used during his time at Massachusetts governor and physically destroyed them so no data could be recovered? You all are obsessed with the horrible crimes you all think are being covered up because "both sides do it" so go after Romney too.


A hammer works great too, just ask Hillary.

Please remind us what Mitt Romney was being investigated for.


Oh, that's right.... Mitt had to have been under constant investigation for literally anything until something was found.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2011/11/21/romney-hard-drives

So, even though Romney handed over documents, it is not known if he handed over ALL documents. Sound familiar? Both sides do it, so you all have zero right to bring up Hillary ever based on your flawed logic.
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Affordable housing - you presume that people want to be in ‘premier’ areas, forgetting some have roots or are born there, and further that people who ca5 afford things need to move. Perhaps that is partially true, but before greed completely took over there was a sliding scale of housing prices that made supporting roles in an urban economy capable of living there. The wealthy need cooks, fitters, drivers etc - are those jobs in say, Manhattan, supposed to just drive 100 miles a day forever?


First - real estate market is local, and (rental part of it at least) is dependent upon imcomes in local area. What happens to people who lose or give up their rent stabilized apartments? 99.9% of them successfully find themselves a new home, maybe in a different town, but within their reach, at fair market value. And what about middle class? There are many middle class commuters even in highly paid jobs that commute 50-70 miles each way daily. Second - the area in NYC still has ample of land for development. Build subway to Staten Island at last. Business climate in New York State is second worst - well, engage in total regulations and tax reforms, simplify regulations and legislature. So that private developers can solve these wows in a proper way - build, build and build some more. But this is much harder of course than just tell that someone is not a proper human (too greedy in this case), and explain them a proper way to be (give their apartments into rent for 1/3 of its fair value).

Aaron747 wrote:
Something has changed now, to the point where crap housing stock and locations are renting at rates the reach of those who don’t command strong incomes. This is both economically unhealthy and unsustainable.


Expectations that a governor, a mayor or an agency will give you this apartment you are somehow "entitled to" perhaps? These grew over a few decades. And this is what needs to be reformed, and that certainly will not be easy. Yes, these reforms will have many people give up something, and in many cases important - retirees who lived in NYC all their lives will have to move to a smaller place within a train ride, union members will probably have to give up some of their pensions paid by taxpayers. Then you can build a healthy and sustainable economy.

Aaron747 wrote:
Well using your logic, we should simply tell them: ‘too bad, investors don’t like your state, so if you want a job, you should move - roots or lifestyle be damned.’

This is not just my logic, this is just a competition, and part of reality. In this case - competitition between jurisdictions. Yes, businesses will go to a place with fewer and less burdensome regulations, lower taxes, etc. And these are the trends worldwide, not just between the states. Those mayors and jurisdictions who will be the first to get this simple things through their head will win. And speaking of roots and lifestyle - should those be taxpayers' problem? These are a matter of wants and preferences, not basic needs. Let's say I am a NYC taxpayer - do I believe it's fair to make me pay someone's rent here just because they claim to be of Dominican origin and to have lived here through all their life? Sorry, but no. Yes, this is not an easy answer to give, and such answer is even harder to accept by this someone, I understand that.

Aaron747 wrote:
As for healthcare, having been an expat for years and with a global circle of friends, you need to be exposed to information from outside the fishbowl. No, public systems are not perfect everywhere, but most people in the English-speaking world are not waiting like Canadians, have good or better outcomes than Americans, and pay far, far less. In Japan I was able to see any doctor, visit any clinic, get an appointment for anything important within two weeks, see ratings for doctors online, never have coverage lapse when changing jobs, all for a tax of about $180/month. Swiss, German, Israeli, South African, Kiwi colleagues all report similar things - US prices and ‘network’ restrictions are completely out of whack.


Healthcare - I agree, too broken in too many places to make any opinions here.
 
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anrec80 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Affordable housing - you presume that people want to be in ‘premier’ areas, forgetting some have roots or are born there, and further that people who ca5 afford things need to move. Perhaps that is partially true, but before greed completely took over there was a sliding scale of housing prices that made supporting roles in an urban economy capable of living there. The wealthy need cooks, fitters, drivers etc - are those jobs in say, Manhattan, supposed to just drive 100 miles a day forever?


First - real estate market is local, and (rental part of it at least) is dependent upon imcomes in local area. What happens to people who lose or give up their rent stabilized apartments? 99.9% of them successfully find themselves a new home, maybe in a different town, but within their reach, at fair market value. And what about middle class? There are many middle class commuters even in highly paid jobs that commute 50-70 miles each way daily. Second - the area in NYC still has ample of land for development. Build subway to Staten Island at last. Business climate in New York State is second worst - well, engage in total regulations and tax reforms, simplify regulations and legislature. So that private developers can solve these wows in a proper way - build, build and build some more. But this is much harder of course than just tell that someone is not a proper human (too greedy in this case), and explain them a proper way to be (give their apartments into rent for 1/3 of its fair value).


I'll let you in on a little secret: It costs money to move. I know that is a foreign concept, but to rent a truck, get first and last or down payment AND all those utility bills and food and clothing and gas costs money. That we don't have. Because we have to pay rent/mortgage, and health care, and food, and utilities... but do go on....
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I'll let you in on a little secret: It costs money to move. I know that is a foreign concept, but to rent a truck, get first and last or down payment AND all those utility bills and food and clothing and gas costs money. That we don't have. Because we have to pay rent/mortgage, and health care, and food, and utilities... but do go on....


Yes, it does - but every renter knows that in normal circumstances their lease can expire and a landlord may ask them to move. So - make it a problem of the landlord and force the landlord to accept 1/3 of fair rental value? It's a normal thing when you rent, and every tenant manages these. You know well in advance when your lease is up, and that gives you enough time to plan, find what's next and within your budget. I moved myself a few times, on tight budget as well.

Everybody has to pay - your landlord also pays out lion's share of your rent check, and sometimes more. Property taxes, maintenance, condo dues, management, repairs. And most landlords are individuals with one or a few rentals owned for their own security, just to remain in the middle class, not huge REITs (myself included). You are not the only one who has to pay.
 
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"Broken Windows" policing has been proven by police agencies, criminologists and statisticians as a proven means of reducing crime by checking it on the small stage. It's a diagnostic tool for law enforcement as well.

By willfully ignoring laws, refusing to enforce them, you embolden those who would commit criminal acts. Tis the way of things and human nature, and has been borne out time and time again.


Part of the problem is unenforceable laws. Sending people to jail for smoking pot, or life in prison for 3 small thefts, is ridiculous, and doesn't help society at all.
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greendot wrote:
The problem with taxation is whenever it is used to fund every social program a leftist can dream of. What about people who don't believe in leftist ideologies? Are they robbed through taxation at the barrel of a gun? If big cities want to tax themselves to death, let them. Let them fail like they always do (L.A., Chicago, NYC). But, cities should not impose their failed ideologies onto everyone else. This is a free country, not a centrally planned Soviet style, Venezuelan style centrally managed leftist hell-hole.


Agree. But the problem with at least NYC-style liberals a-la AOC is that once they get to Washington DC they immediately begin to force their views on the whole country and then some. And aren't really eager to acknowledge that other people also have rights to their viewpoints. Look what they are doing now - 70% "tax for the rich", "housing crisis" with nationwide rent regulations, etc.


Republicans have no problem destroying the environment of left-wing people do they ? Of people around the world even ?
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slider wrote:
"Broken Windows" policing has been proven by police agencies, criminologists and statisticians as a proven means of reducing crime by checking it on the small stage. It's a diagnostic tool for law enforcement as well.

By willfully ignoring laws, refusing to enforce them, you embolden those who would commit criminal acts. Tis the way of things and human nature, and has been borne out time and time again.


Part of the problem is unenforceable laws. Sending people to jail for smoking pot, or life in prison for 3 small thefts, is ridiculous, and doesn't help society at all.


Certainly there needs to be a sense of proportionality. I agree with you there. But in this context, small theft becomes either repeat theft or bigger theft. I think it absolutely helps society by checking what the acceptable moral, ethical and legal behaviors are. One of the Ten Commandments is 'Thou Shall not Steal'...I'd say that's pretty much a foundational piece of ALL Western law.

You cannot choose which laws to enforce and not enforce--they should ALL be enforced or else the law needs to be changed to reflect accordingly.
 
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Surely you know a put on when you see it, sarcasm when you read it and disrespect for the But, but, but, but, but, but cry from the whiners of the right. My goodness ,you guys act like you have a pole stuck up there. Admit it, you guys try to act like Super Patriots, defenders of the Motherland and yet you back a loser, a crook, a liar who has no honor. Do you guys really know what honor is ? This draft dodger is a laughable spectacle when he dons his military regalia. The men who served, and died must be turning over in their graves, including my Hero John McCain. Come on guys, try to act like you really know what honor and respect is. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Trump might be a terrible soldier, but is a great President. He is also a president for all the people and who the people elected, but if you want to only let veterans and military personnel determine our President, while unfair, I would love that, and Trump would win even more in a landslide in 2020.

Let me ask you a question, did you vote for “your hero, John MCCain” in 2008? I sure did. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and your post, I am guessing the chances are still at best 50/50. Or did you vote for the honorable Senator Obama, who until he ran for President, did not wear a flag lapel or would even salute the American flag during our national anthem? (since we’re talking about honor and those who served and died turning over in their graves)
 
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slider wrote:
"Broken Windows" policing has been proven by police agencies, criminologists and statisticians as a proven means of reducing crime by checking it on the small stage. It's a diagnostic tool for law enforcement as well.

By willfully ignoring laws, refusing to enforce them, you embolden those who would commit criminal acts. Tis the way of things and human nature, and has been borne out time and time again.

Not sure where you are getting your information, but overall it's been proven that Broken Windows has been a failure as it caused more problems that solved. The New York Police Department’s inspector general’s office found “no evidence” that the drop in felony crime during those six years was linked to the quality of life summonses or misdemeanor arrests, which also declined during that time. In major cities across the country where Broken Windows was put in place, the beat officers have found performing frequent stops and issuing citations for petty stuff made people mistrust the police, and much less likely to cooperate when officers were investigating serious crimes. Another side effect was these petty offenses were overwhelming the court system, you can add more police officers, but unless more courts, more prosecutors, more public defenders are hired at the same time, a significant bottle neck occurs and these petty cases aren't charged so it's a waste of scare resources. At the height of this nonsense here in Maricopa County, Arizona only three out of ten arrests were the defendants ever charged with a crime by the prosecuting attorney office. Another example when George Gascon was Chief of Police of Mesa, AZ the police had to start a policy of not responding to shoplifting cases from a couple of Wal-Marts just due to the volume of calls, and the low amounts of the alleged crimes. He was famous for a quote about opening a sub-station at a certain Wal-Mart due to all the shoplifting..
 
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Aesma wrote:
slider wrote:
"Broken Windows" policing has been proven by police agencies, criminologists and statisticians as a proven means of reducing crime by checking it on the small stage. It's a diagnostic tool for law enforcement as well.

By willfully ignoring laws, refusing to enforce them, you embolden those who would commit criminal acts. Tis the way of things and human nature, and has been borne out time and time again.


Part of the problem is unenforceable laws. Sending people to jail for smoking pot, or life in prison for 3 small thefts, is ridiculous, and doesn't help society at all.


Certainly there needs to be a sense of proportionality. I agree with you there. But in this context, small theft becomes either repeat theft or bigger theft. I think it absolutely helps society by checking what the acceptable moral, ethical and legal behaviors are. One of the Ten Commandments is 'Thou Shall not Steal'...I'd say that's pretty much a foundational piece of ALL Western law.

You cannot choose which laws to enforce and not enforce--they should ALL be enforced or else the law needs to be changed to reflect accordingly.


Do you know how much money that costs? Police are already complaining there are not enough officers to cover as it is. Imagine if they were investigating every broken window, every trespassing case, every whiff of pot, every "their dog pooped on my lawn" everything? Not only that, but how much does it cost to keep someone in prison? Some of them are for years there over a dime bag of weed or because the officer decided since the name on the registration didn't match the name on the recently expired licence but the addresses match, they were charged with a laundry list of offenses and sent to prison for years.

There are legit crimes that must be punished. Everyone agrees with that. No one but no one is saying to let everyone do whatever they want.
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slider wrote:
Aesma wrote:

Part of the problem is unenforceable laws. Sending people to jail for smoking pot, or life in prison for 3 small thefts, is ridiculous, and doesn't help society at all.


Certainly there needs to be a sense of proportionality. I agree with you there. But in this context, small theft becomes either repeat theft or bigger theft. I think it absolutely helps society by checking what the acceptable moral, ethical and legal behaviors are. One of the Ten Commandments is 'Thou Shall not Steal'...I'd say that's pretty much a foundational piece of ALL Western law.

You cannot choose which laws to enforce and not enforce--they should ALL be enforced or else the law needs to be changed to reflect accordingly.


Do you know how much money that costs? Police are already complaining there are not enough officers to cover as it is. Imagine if they were investigating every broken window, every trespassing case, every whiff of pot, every "their dog pooped on my lawn" everything? Not only that, but how much does it cost to keep someone in prison? Some of them are for years there over a dime bag of weed or because the officer decided since the name on the registration didn't match the name on the recently expired licence but the addresses match, they were charged with a laundry list of offenses and sent to prison for years.

There are legit crimes that must be punished. Everyone agrees with that. No one but no one is saying to let everyone do whatever they want.


As with anything, there is an ROI. Spend the money now on policing, or spend it later at a much greater cost to society, incarcerations, justice system, etc, etc.

Exclude marijuana from this argument also...
 
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And Colin Powell and Condoleeza did not use bleach bit or whatever it is that none of us had ever heard of before her, and they didn't destroy their hard drives with a hammer once they were put under investigation (sorta sounds like obstruction of justice, doesn't it? in a very subtle way of course). Not that they were ever under investigation either.


Are you talking about BitBleach?

https://money.cnn.com/2016/08/26/techno ... bleachbit/

A computer security expert said BitBleach is "a fairly amateur tool" and that "[s]omeone trying to cover their tracks would likely pay for and use a much more expensive, specialized data destruction tool."

So, there goes another conspiracy theory down the drain.

BTW, since "both sides do it" I am assuming you MAGA fan boys will raise hell to find out why Mitt Romney bought every last computer that was used during his time at Massachusetts governor and physically destroyed them so no data could be recovered? You all are obsessed with the horrible crimes you all think are being covered up because "both sides do it" so go after Romney too.


It's not an amateur tool. It CAN be used as amateurs to hide things from anyone. It complies with the NSA and DOD requirements on the number of full platter overwrites, making data recovery impossible, even at the quantum level. Besides it doesn't even matter because virtually every hostile country intercepted her classified emails as they were illegally communicated outside government systems of record. The law makes transmission and storage of classified information outside the system of record (government system), regarless of "intent", a federal crime.

Also, remember that CNN is an extension of the Democrat party. Naturally they write articles that make Hillary's poop smell like roses. They have been fake news ever since they greenscreened a fake news report from Baghdad during Gulf War 1, shot rooftop on location, in Georgia.
 
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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Wed May 01, 2019 10:28 pm

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"Broken Windows" policing has been proven by police agencies, criminologists and statisticians as a proven means of reducing crime by checking it on the small stage. It's a diagnostic tool for law enforcement as well.

By willfully ignoring laws, refusing to enforce them, you embolden those who would commit criminal acts. Tis the way of things and human nature, and has been borne out time and time again.


Part of the problem is unenforceable laws. Sending people to jail for smoking pot, or life in prison for 3 small thefts, is ridiculous, and doesn't help society at all.


It doesn't help that there are corporations running prisons.
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Re: Dallas DA Takes Heat from Council Members Over New Theft Policy

Thu May 02, 2019 12:12 am

greendot wrote:
seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
And Colin Powell and Condoleeza did not use bleach bit or whatever it is that none of us had ever heard of before her, and they didn't destroy their hard drives with a hammer once they were put under investigation (sorta sounds like obstruction of justice, doesn't it? in a very subtle way of course). Not that they were ever under investigation either.


Are you talking about BitBleach?

https://money.cnn.com/2016/08/26/techno ... bleachbit/

A computer security expert said BitBleach is "a fairly amateur tool" and that "[s]omeone trying to cover their tracks would likely pay for and use a much more expensive, specialized data destruction tool."

So, there goes another conspiracy theory down the drain.

BTW, since "both sides do it" I am assuming you MAGA fan boys will raise hell to find out why Mitt Romney bought every last computer that was used during his time at Massachusetts governor and physically destroyed them so no data could be recovered? You all are obsessed with the horrible crimes you all think are being covered up because "both sides do it" so go after Romney too.


It's not an amateur tool. It CAN be used as amateurs to hide things from anyone. It complies with the NSA and DOD requirements on the number of full platter overwrites, making data recovery impossible, even at the quantum level. Besides it doesn't even matter because virtually every hostile country intercepted her classified emails as they were illegally communicated outside government systems of record. The law makes transmission and storage of classified information outside the system of record (government system), regarless of "intent", a federal crime.

Also, remember that CNN is an extension of the Democrat party. Naturally they write articles that make Hillary's poop smell like roses. They have been fake news ever since they greenscreened a fake news report from Baghdad during Gulf War 1, shot rooftop on location, in Georgia.


You are in tinfoil hat territory with talk of CNN green screen and that drivel. I can not take any of the rest of your post seriously.
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Re: Dallas DA Takes Heat from Council Members Over New Theft Policy

Thu May 02, 2019 3:38 am

stratclub wrote:
your pointless attack to my state of mind sure indicates that. Just keep insulting people and living in your alternate universe were the left's media will tell you what to think. Crimes that I referred to were in fact committed by HRC, the DNC and Obama's DOJ and FBI and now that the illegal RussiaGate witch hunt has run it's course, AG Bar can now concentrate on the possibility of illegal spying (witch hunt) of the Trump campaign that he referred to in his testimony before congress.

And yet you open your mouth and remove all doubt as to your state of mind :roll:

910A wrote:
slider wrote:
"Broken Windows" policing has been proven by police agencies, criminologists and statisticians as a proven means of reducing crime by checking it on the small stage. It's a diagnostic tool for law enforcement as well.

By willfully ignoring laws, refusing to enforce them, you embolden those who would commit criminal acts. Tis the way of things and human nature, and has been borne out time and time again.

Not sure where you are getting your information, but overall it's been proven that Broken Windows has been a failure as it caused more problems that solved. The New York Police Department’s inspector general’s office found “no evidence” that the drop in felony crime during those six years was linked to the quality of life summonses or misdemeanor arrests, which also declined during that time. In major cities across the country where Broken Windows was put in place, the beat officers have found performing frequent stops and issuing citations for petty stuff made people mistrust the police, and much less likely to cooperate when officers were investigating serious crimes. Another side effect was these petty offenses were overwhelming the court system, you can add more police officers, but unless more courts, more prosecutors, more public defenders are hired at the same time, a significant bottle neck occurs and these petty cases aren't charged so it's a waste of scare resources. At the height of this nonsense here in Maricopa County, Arizona only three out of ten arrests were the defendants ever charged with a crime by the prosecuting attorney office. Another example when George Gascon was Chief of Police of Mesa, AZ the police had to start a policy of not responding to shoplifting cases from a couple of Wal-Marts just due to the volume of calls, and the low amounts of the alleged crimes. He was famous for a quote about opening a sub-station at a certain Wal-Mart due to all the shoplifting..

:checkmark: :checkmark: Broken windows has been a mixed bad, at best. It's been suggested the real success driving the drop in crime was the legalization of abortion.
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Re: Dallas DA Takes Heat from Council Members Over New Theft Policy

Thu May 02, 2019 7:27 am

Wow, I didn't realise Hillary is still a thing for republicans. Crazy, huh?

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Re: Liberals Are Infesting Texas

Thu May 02, 2019 7:51 am

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WarRI1 wrote:

Surely you know a put on when you see it, sarcasm when you read it and disrespect for the But, but, but, but, but, but cry from the whiners of the right. My goodness ,you guys act like you have a pole stuck up there. Admit it, you guys try to act like Super Patriots, defenders of the Motherland and yet you back a loser, a crook, a liar who has no honor. Do you guys really know what honor is ? This draft dodger is a laughable spectacle when he dons his military regalia. The men who served, and died must be turning over in their graves, including my Hero John McCain. Come on guys, try to act like you really know what honor and respect is. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Trump might be a terrible soldier, but is a great President. He is also a president for all the people and who the people elected, but if you want to only let veterans and military personnel determine our President, while unfair, I would love that, and Trump would win even more in a landslide in 2020.

Let me ask you a question, did you vote for “your hero, John MCCain” in 2008? I sure did. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and your post, I am guessing the chances are still at best 50/50. Or did you vote for the honorable Senator Obama, who until he ran for President, did not wear a flag lapel or would even salute the American flag during our national anthem? (since we’re talking about honor and those who served and died turning over in their graves)


Ah, this again. Riiiight, because saluting the flag and doing symbolic crap takes precedence over living with integrity and taking positive action for community/country. I know several people I would easily describe as incredible Americans, devoting themselves both to spreading our innovations abroad and assisting those in need, and they have never worn a flag on their lapel either.
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Re: Dallas DA Takes Heat from Council Members Over New Theft Policy

Thu May 02, 2019 10:04 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
your pointless attack to my state of mind sure indicates that. Just keep insulting people and living in your alternate universe were the left's media will tell you what to think. Crimes that I referred to were in fact committed by HRC, the DNC and Obama's DOJ and FBI and now that the illegal RussiaGate witch hunt has run it's course, AG Bar can now concentrate on the possibility of illegal spying (witch hunt) of the Trump campaign that he referred to in his testimony before congress.

And yet you open your mouth and remove all doubt as to your state of mind :roll:

Why wouldn't I? Truth doesn't matter to you, does it?

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