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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:08 pm

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It was already investigated, the total Facebook anti Hillary ads had a total approximate value of $160,000. Kushner said he spent $160,000 on Facebook ads every few hours during the campaign. They likely had zero impact on the results of the election.

That's laughably small.
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:22 pm

afcjets wrote:
It was already investigated, the total Facebook anti Hillary ads had a total approximate value of $160,000. Kushner said he spent $160,000 on Facebook ads every few hours during the campaign. They likely had zero impact on the results of the election.


Likely is not the answer from a thorough investigation by Congress. Of which we haven't had. GOP probably needs to recruit Trey Gowdy so he can show them how to do the 7 thorough levels of Benghazi.
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:31 am

Magog wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Magog wrote:
None of that says that Trump is “owned by the Russians.”


Russia was involved in getting him installed. We must investigate to see how deep it goes and why Russia wanted him installed.

I've never had a problem with investigating Russian interference. We know that it happened, even if there is no evidence that it actually changed the result of the election.


All the bots and trolls and fake news beyond what Fox puts out there. People actually believe that Fox is real news. And those were the same ones sharing this propaganda from Russia. Beyond that, why did Russians meet with team MAGA? Why didn't Kushner call the FBI when he was told there was dirt on Hillary? Like he is LEGALLY REQUIRED to?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rare-in ... d=63459400

And he also ordered Michael Flynn to contact Russia

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... act-russia

But, yeah.... this is all cool or something..... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:27 am

seb146 wrote:
All the bots and trolls and fake news beyond what Fox puts out there. People actually believe that Fox is real news. And those were the same ones sharing this propaganda from Russia. Beyond that, why did Russians meet with team MAGA? Why didn't Kushner call the FBI when he was told there was dirt on Hillary? Like he is LEGALLY REQUIRED to?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rare-in ... d=63459400

And he also ordered Michael Flynn to contact Russia

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... act-russia

But, yeah.... this is all cool or something..... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


:checkmark: And as far as the original topic - Barr's miscommunication of the results of the investigation - is concerned, here is a detailed take:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... e_taps_top
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:40 am

alfa164 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
All the bots and trolls and fake news beyond what Fox puts out there. People actually believe that Fox is real news. And those were the same ones sharing this propaganda from Russia. Beyond that, why did Russians meet with team MAGA? Why didn't Kushner call the FBI when he was told there was dirt on Hillary? Like he is LEGALLY REQUIRED to?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rare-in ... d=63459400

And he also ordered Michael Flynn to contact Russia

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... act-russia

But, yeah.... this is all cool or something..... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


:checkmark: And as far as the original topic - Barr's miscommunication of the results of the investigation - is concerned, here is a detailed take:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... e_taps_top

Why do people keep perpetuating the bold faced lie that AG Barr misrepresented anything? He summurized on the findings of the Mueller report almost word for word what was in it 2 weeks before the full report came out.
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:48 am

Why do people keep dwelling on the Fusion GPS attempted setup? He didn't even know what the meeting was about when he went to it. Apparantly the con job was so lame and transperant that he blew off the meeting after about 15 minutes.
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:10 pm

alfa164 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
All the bots and trolls and fake news beyond what Fox puts out there. People actually believe that Fox is real news. And those were the same ones sharing this propaganda from Russia. Beyond that, why did Russians meet with team MAGA? Why didn't Kushner call the FBI when he was told there was dirt on Hillary? Like he is LEGALLY REQUIRED to?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rare-in ... d=63459400

And he also ordered Michael Flynn to contact Russia

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... act-russia

But, yeah.... this is all cool or something..... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


:checkmark: And as far as the original topic - Barr's miscommunication of the results of the investigation - is concerned, here is a detailed take:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... e_taps_top

So what exactly does your fake news article have to do with the Mueller report findings? Just so you know, to indict, you need actual evidence of probable cause. After spending upward of $25 million dollars, Mueller's, probe came up with a big fat nothing burger on both charges. The 7 items in the Slate article are based on nothing more than fairy tale ramblings from the Mueller report because hope after desperate hope, Mueller's team did not have evidence enough for probable clause.

What ever happen to the Democrats promise to no matter what, accept the Mueller report as the final word? After all, he was their savior and a real hero and worthy of saint hood etc. If the Mueller probe was actually trying to find evidence of Russian collusion, why didn't it investigate Hillery Clinton, Fusion GPS and the Obama administration?
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:31 pm

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Why do people keep dwelling on the Fusion GPS attempted setup? He didn't even know what the meeting was about when he went to it. Apparantly the con job was so lame and transperant that he blew off the meeting after about 15 minutes.


And when he DID find out what it was about, HE STILL DID NOT CONTACT THE FBI!!! He committed a crime.

Get over it.

This is the most corrupt and secretive administration E-V-E-R!!! We have been discussing the many, many, many, many, many ways this administration is corrupt and secretive.

Get over it.
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:40 pm

seb146 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
Why do people keep dwelling on the Fusion GPS attempted setup? He didn't even know what the meeting was about when he went to it. Apparantly the con job was so lame and transperant that he blew off the meeting after about 15 minutes.


And when he DID find out what it was about, HE STILL DID NOT CONTACT THE FBI!!! He committed a crime. Get over it.
This is the most corrupt and secretive administration E-V-E-R!!! We have been discussing the many, many, many, many, many ways this administration is corrupt and secretive.
Get over it.


Even the man who set-up the meeting admits that the Mueller probe was not a "witch hunt": “I hope that everyone will realize this was not a witch hunt. This was a very, very valid exercise in democracy.”

https://www.apnews.com/b8e7dfc987874598991c4592364d5f7c
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:34 pm

Looks like some honorable members of the GOP are starting to realize that this is all looking very bad in the long run.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4476 ... inst-trump

"“Republicans stood for the rule of law then. Republicans should stand for the rule of law now,” the ad ends.

Chris Truax, a spokesperson for Republicans for the Rule Law, called the group’s new ad a “reminder of what patriotism and political bravery can look like.”

“Congressional Republicans are more than happy to admit in private that they are troubled, disappointed, and disturbed by President Trump’s abuses of executive power,” Truax said."

 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:12 pm

seb146 wrote:

This is the most corrupt and secretive administration E-V-E-R!!!


Had a good laugh reading that. No, really. The Obama administration actually spied on critical journalists. They spied on political leaders of allied nations. They weaponized government agencies against political enemies.

But sure, the Trump admin is the pinnacle of corruption. The sad thing is that you really believe this kind of crap.
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:14 pm

aviationaware wrote:
seb146 wrote:

This is the most corrupt and secretive administration E-V-E-R!!!


Had a good laugh reading that. No, really. The Obama administration actually spied on critical journalists. They spied on political leaders of allied nations. They weaponized government agencies against political enemies.

But sure, the Trump admin is the pinnacle of corruption. The sad thing is that you really believe this kind of crap.


FAKE NEWS!! THAT HIT PIECE ON ME IS FAKE NEWS! CNN IS FAKE NEWS! ALL THEY DO IS FAKE! FAKE NEWS!

Like that?

You make claims but provide zero proof. Bush spied on leaders of allied nations, too. Right wingers are making threats and sending bombs to Democrats and outlets like CNN. Encouraging crowds to chant "LOCK HER UP!!" with no proof at all.

Since this is an aviation website, let's use this analogy:

I have flown only on 747s. The best 747 flight I had was PDX-SEA-JUN. Upper deck all the way. Don't tell me it was 737 the whole way because they are both aircraft, so that proves I am right.
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:24 pm

Looks like Barr may be playing Ball with Congress on those Obstruction charges

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/10/politics ... index.html

These documents will allow us to perform our constitutional duties and decide how to respond to the allegations laid out against the President by the Special Counsel," Nadler said.
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:13 pm

I want to throw something else out there:

Republicans were in charge of the entire federal government for two years. It could be argued they were in charge for three or more since they blocked Obama's nominees for various federal judicial seats including one on the Supreme Court. But, let's not muddy the waters.

Republicans were in complete and total control for two years. In that two years, they could have called Hillary and Obama to testify under oath every day if there were any evidence at all they broke any laws by accepting assistance from Russia, right? Why didn't they? We are now hearing cries and screams of how guilty Obama and Hillary are. Where was all this information and all this anguish the two years when Republicans were in control of everything?
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:11 am

seb146 wrote:
I want to throw something else out there:

Republicans were in charge of the entire federal government for two years. It could be argued they were in charge for three or more since they blocked Obama's nominees for various federal judicial seats including one on the Supreme Court. But, let's not muddy the waters.

Republicans were in complete and total control for two years. In that two years, they could have called Hillary and Obama to testify under oath every day if there were any evidence at all they broke any laws by accepting assistance from Russia, right? Why didn't they? We are now hearing cries and screams of how guilty Obama and Hillary are. Where was all this information and all this anguish the two years when Republicans were in control of everything?


Probably trying to broker deals since they knew Trump was a lying ,racist coward.
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:13 am

but... but... but... HILLARY!!!!!
https://www.salon.com/2019/06/10/elaine ... ngyVgWPX4w

Every time it is even hinted that individual number one might be doing something illegal, we hear "but... but... but... HILLARY!!!" because that is supposed to distract from the swamp he has created. Make no mistake: This is who he is. This is the swamp draining. You don't like it? Tough. This is what you get because you wanted it. All the lies. All the perjury. All the law breaking.

"Both sides do it" so why not the outrage over this swamp monster? Why not the outrage if "both sides do it"? Why not take to the streets and scream and shout and get all snowflaky because "both sides do it"?
 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:45 pm

Let it sink in that the GOP overall is open to the continued interference by Foreign parties into the US elections. Some members are sponsoring bills, but Mitch McConnell continues to run interference.;

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... k-n1017361

In fact, some GOP senators have joined with Democrats to co-sponsor legislation designed to shore up voting machines and make it harder for foreign intelligence operatives to hack, leak and manipulate social media the way the Russians did in 2016.

But those bills are going nowhere — because Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has not allowed a vote on any of them.

 
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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:55 am

jdstJD wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:
jdstJD wrote:
What exactly has you so passionately supportive of trump? I’m really curious. What about him is actually worthy of your support? Of Republicans’ support? Conservatives’ support?


Excellent question. First, I don't consider myself passionate about Trump. I don't particularly like him. To put it simply, for me and all of the Trump supporters I know, he is simply sand in the gears of the deep state govt/media machine that would sell out our country for profit and/or power (on both sides of the aisle). He is also the instrument that we would use to destroy the Republican party of George W Bush, John McCain, William Kristol, and their despicable ilk.


1. Looks to me like its TRUMP who clearly would sell the county out for profit and/or power. He has shown time and time again how he will side with abhorrent dictators over the county's intelligence apparatus and officials. He will disregard the nation's military brass, members of his cabinet, leaders of our government agencies, all of whom have the expertise and training to understand these issues and the people/countries we're dealing with. None of the positions or attitudes he has taken on foreign policy issues have been in the best interest of the country. They have all been in his own vain self interest with respect to how he wants to be seen around the country and the world and to ensure his financial solvency after he leaves office. His whole presidency thing was a marketing effort for Trump Enterprises. He could give less than a damn about this country and our people.


As far as what I like about Trump, for me, it was initially about saving the country from Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, and Hillary Clinton. I don't like Ted Cruz at all, Jeb, meh, Hillary, I don't care or her much, but she would have made a reputable and distinguished president. It was also about reducing regulations He is completely conflicted when it comes to what regulations should be modified and to what extent they should be. Once again, there are career policy makers who have developed regulations over the decades based on experts, data, research, and a host of other objective guidance that led to the regulations we have in place today that protect us from the horrors we had to deal with over the years that the country was developing and becoming more modern from the "dog eat dog" ways of the industrial era in American history where capitalist ideals were win at all costs to the detriment of public health and safety and employee rights. , and his list of 25 judges that he would nominate Any republican could have nominated judges. trump didn't make the list. he took a sheet of paper filled out by other republicans and read the names off to the camera. Rather than electing a republican who could have just as easily furthered the republicans' causes, you all chose a bafoon totally devoid of any morals or character, let alone sense of intelligence or understanding of history or any other discipline one needs to know about in order to properly run the most sophisticated and powerful country on the face of the earth. The fact that so many people so recklessly elected him is more disappointing than anything because it says that there is such a large number of people in the country who don't feel the importance of who we need to put in that office. . But I agreed with many of his positions during the election. Here is a brief list of positions/accomplishments of the Trump administration that I support:
• The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act The tax "cuts" is a farce. They were funds that were shifted from one budget line item to another. The money coming in from the largest segment of the population is used to pay for services we all, including the wealthy, need provided by the government, but the wealthy with more money, but who have the most tax deductions available to them pay less in taxes. All the tax bill did was increase the money the rich save at tax time which due to the percentage of taxes that come out of their gross income being adjusted due to their deductions and credits, but it did nothing to actually increase the net income or tax savings for the bulk of the nation's tax paying population
• Positions on better trade deals (with China, Canada, Mexico, Europe, etc...)He is talking into a microphone saying over-simplified platitudes about how these countries have been taking advantage of America and then blowing up agreements we've negotiated over decades like a bull in a China shop with absolutely not idea how these issues really work. He thinks he's the first person to ever evaluate and develop policy on these issues. Like he woke up one day and was the only person on earth who had ever thought about global trade and how to manage it
• Focus on apprenticeships for young paople Where has he ever come out with a policy on that?
• Reducing regulations in broad sectors of the economySee my comment above. His cronies have be put into leadership in federal agencies when their careers have been spent in industries antithetical to what the agencies were put in place to regulate.
• Focus on a more secure border - I want him to build the wall, but Congress won't let him...I agree there is a huge flaw in the immigration system in this county. But I think it has more to do with a fork in the road that the country is at as a result of our history and development since the founding being based on immigration (forced and voluntary) and the current modern issues associated with the causes of the influx of people from south and central America. Its not the numbers coming in thats the problem. Its been a steady in flow into the country since its inception. The problem is the element that is coming in. What pisses people off and causes them to think its racial is that there were just as many ruthless crime and gang ridden immigrants coming into the country from Russia, Ireland and Italy throughout the entire 19th and 20th centuries and there wasn't such an outcry. Why is there now such a moralistic outrage of these "criminals" coming in from the South and Central American regions?[i]
• Replacing Obamacare with something better (this will never happen thanks to John McCain)[i]Nothing better than the ACA ( I hate it when people call it obamacare) has been proposed and anything that has come close has been rejected by the people. trump has no clue what to do about health care. Once again, you all are looking for something this man is not equipped to give you

• Tariffs to protect US industries Tariffs will ruin US industries...which is why that hasn't been US policy before now. It seems like an easy fix but it isn't.
• Rolled back Obama’s deals with CubaI am not knowledgable enough about this policy issue as I need to be to give an opinion so I won't.
• Support for Israel, recognizing Jerusalem as its capitalthe US has long had a one sided position on the Israel/Palestinian conflict which it shouldn't have. The issue is not longer just a religious/moral/ geopolitical issue for the U.S. because Israel's interests and conduct throughout the world has changed. The U.S. should adopt a more neutral position because its blind loyalty to that country allows Israel to be a bad actor without the same consequences that we would impose on any other country
• Reducing tension with North Koreathe tension with N. Korea has not changed at all. Kim jung un has played trump like a fiddle because he knows how vain he is and that he can manipulate him simply by flattering him and making him feel good and he knows trump will ignore all of the country's intelligence and geopolitical experts just because kim wrote him a love letter
• Avoiding new foreign warsUmmmm, have you not been watching what's going on? We on the verge of nuclear war with Iran, in a trade war with China, now in a trade war with Mexico, f...ing around with Syria...all of which we had no reason to do. We better hope these countries do get together an gang up on us while our politics are in a flux because trump has pissed off our allies so we won't have anyone to turn to for help
• Defeat of ISISIsis was on the way out long before trump started his presidency fiasco
• Set terms for peace with the TalibanWut??? No he didn't.
• Pushing (successfully) to get NATO members to spend more on their national defenseNATO hasn't changed their policies yet. Also, its not as simple as these countries writing bigger checks...again, something may other people have tried to explain to him but he has no capability to comprehend complex information...unfortunately, neither does his supporters so here we are...the blind leading the blind and the ignorant following the ignorant. They bought into his over-simplified "build the wall", "lock her up" phrases and think that's all there is to the world
• Increased prosecutions of criminals for unlawful use of fire arms Where the hell are you getting this from?
• Support for US energy independence The only energy independence we have gotten is from the modern efficient energy efforts we were on the trajectory of achieving along with the rest of the world before trump weasled his way into the white house. Now with his crony Rick Perry leading the dept of energy, we are DEpendant on the oil and gas industry for our energy needs, which is taking us backwards
• Signed an Executive Order that placed a five-year ban on lobbying and a lifetime ban on lobbying for foreign countries for people working in his administration.I dont know where you got this from either
• SCOTUS nominationsYeah, I was somewhat ok with Gorsuch but Kavanaugh makes me ill
• Focus on STEM and school choiceI havent heard trump once articulate a policy on this. And considering who he put in charge of the Dept of Ed, no parent in this country should place any faith in his administration's ability to effectively run the education system or implement serious public education policy

I know that many of these things like tax cuts, energy independence, and fair trade would be reversed by any of the Dems that will run in 2020, and most of the RINO Repubs that might challenge Trump. So, I will continue to support him, unless a better choice comes along.I truly think any other person, other than donald trump, would be supported by dems and repubicans at this point. This is probably the best possible time for a good strong competitor to trump from the republican party to challenge him. I think they would get broad support from both parties. I am not really liking any of the dem candidates, except joe biden, so there is still room for a republican to get in there...but the more support your party puts behind trump, the less the rest of the country will have any respect for republicans because they seem like a bunch of hypocrits. All the values you all have touted for so long and moral conservatism, etc. etc. went out the window when you all supported trump as your leader. He stands for nothing republicans have been preaching for generations. Even though dems or liberals don't agree with republicans, at least we always knew where you all stood. Its really sad

Thoughts?

I finally had the time and energy to respond to all of this. Sorry for the delay. I'm sure you're gonna give me an "eye" full so I will await your responses :tongue2:

Mike Drop


jdstJD - I remember why I didn't respond - you did your comments inline with mine and didn't quote me for each of the points that you were commenting on. It made it difficult for me to respond back, frankly it was going to be too much effort to figure out how to respond clearly, and I like clarity. But since you followed up on it, which I sincerely appreciate, I'll try to go through and sort out what you did and provide responses...

Until next time,

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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:44 am

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so why do you putting gas in his tank?

BN747

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Re: Mueller Speaks: Barr Mislead the American People

Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:49 am

MikeDrop wrote:
jdstJD wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:

Excellent question. First, I don't consider myself passionate about Trump. I don't particularly like him. To put it simply, for me and all of the Trump supporters I know, he is simply sand in the gears of the deep state govt/media machine that would sell out our country for profit and/or power (on both sides of the aisle). He is also the instrument that we would use to destroy the Republican party of George W Bush, John McCain, William Kristol, and their despicable ilk.


1. Looks to me like its TRUMP who clearly would sell the county out for profit and/or power. He has shown time and time again how he will side with abhorrent dictators over the county's intelligence apparatus and officials. He will disregard the nation's military brass, members of his cabinet, leaders of our government agencies, all of whom have the expertise and training to understand these issues and the people/countries we're dealing with. None of the positions or attitudes he has taken on foreign policy issues have been in the best interest of the country. They have all been in his own vain self interest with respect to how he wants to be seen around the country and the world and to ensure his financial solvency after he leaves office. His whole presidency thing was a marketing effort for Trump Enterprises. He could give less than a damn about this country and our people.


As far as what I like about Trump, for me, it was initially about saving the country from Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, and Hillary Clinton. I don't like Ted Cruz at all, Jeb, meh, Hillary, I don't care or her much, but she would have made a reputable and distinguished president. It was also about reducing regulations He is completely conflicted when it comes to what regulations should be modified and to what extent they should be. Once again, there are career policy makers who have developed regulations over the decades based on experts, data, research, and a host of other objective guidance that led to the regulations we have in place today that protect us from the horrors we had to deal with over the years that the country was developing and becoming more modern from the "dog eat dog" ways of the industrial era in American history where capitalist ideals were win at all costs to the detriment of public health and safety and employee rights. , and his list of 25 judges that he would nominate Any republican could have nominated judges. trump didn't make the list. he took a sheet of paper filled out by other republicans and read the names off to the camera. Rather than electing a republican who could have just as easily furthered the republicans' causes, you all chose a bafoon totally devoid of any morals or character, let alone sense of intelligence or understanding of history or any other discipline one needs to know about in order to properly run the most sophisticated and powerful country on the face of the earth. The fact that so many people so recklessly elected him is more disappointing than anything because it says that there is such a large number of people in the country who don't feel the importance of who we need to put in that office. . But I agreed with many of his positions during the election. Here is a brief list of positions/accomplishments of the Trump administration that I support:
• The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act The tax "cuts" is a farce. They were funds that were shifted from one budget line item to another. The money coming in from the largest segment of the population is used to pay for services we all, including the wealthy, need provided by the government, but the wealthy with more money, but who have the most tax deductions available to them pay less in taxes. All the tax bill did was increase the money the rich save at tax time which due to the percentage of taxes that come out of their gross income being adjusted due to their deductions and credits, but it did nothing to actually increase the net income or tax savings for the bulk of the nation's tax paying population
• Positions on better trade deals (with China, Canada, Mexico, Europe, etc...)He is talking into a microphone saying over-simplified platitudes about how these countries have been taking advantage of America and then blowing up agreements we've negotiated over decades like a bull in a China shop with absolutely not idea how these issues really work. He thinks he's the first person to ever evaluate and develop policy on these issues. Like he woke up one day and was the only person on earth who had ever thought about global trade and how to manage it
• Focus on apprenticeships for young paople Where has he ever come out with a policy on that?
• Reducing regulations in broad sectors of the economySee my comment above. His cronies have be put into leadership in federal agencies when their careers have been spent in industries antithetical to what the agencies were put in place to regulate.
• Focus on a more secure border - I want him to build the wall, but Congress won't let him...I agree there is a huge flaw in the immigration system in this county. But I think it has more to do with a fork in the road that the country is at as a result of our history and development since the founding being based on immigration (forced and voluntary) and the current modern issues associated with the causes of the influx of people from south and central America. Its not the numbers coming in thats the problem. Its been a steady in flow into the country since its inception. The problem is the element that is coming in. What pisses people off and causes them to think its racial is that there were just as many ruthless crime and gang ridden immigrants coming into the country from Russia, Ireland and Italy throughout the entire 19th and 20th centuries and there wasn't such an outcry. Why is there now such a moralistic outrage of these "criminals" coming in from the South and Central American regions?[i]
• Replacing Obamacare with something better (this will never happen thanks to John McCain)[i]Nothing better than the ACA ( I hate it when people call it obamacare) has been proposed and anything that has come close has been rejected by the people. trump has no clue what to do about health care. Once again, you all are looking for something this man is not equipped to give you

• Tariffs to protect US industries Tariffs will ruin US industries...which is why that hasn't been US policy before now. It seems like an easy fix but it isn't.
• Rolled back Obama’s deals with CubaI am not knowledgable enough about this policy issue as I need to be to give an opinion so I won't.
• Support for Israel, recognizing Jerusalem as its capitalthe US has long had a one sided position on the Israel/Palestinian conflict which it shouldn't have. The issue is not longer just a religious/moral/ geopolitical issue for the U.S. because Israel's interests and conduct throughout the world has changed. The U.S. should adopt a more neutral position because its blind loyalty to that country allows Israel to be a bad actor without the same consequences that we would impose on any other country
• Reducing tension with North Koreathe tension with N. Korea has not changed at all. Kim jung un has played trump like a fiddle because he knows how vain he is and that he can manipulate him simply by flattering him and making him feel good and he knows trump will ignore all of the country's intelligence and geopolitical experts just because kim wrote him a love letter
• Avoiding new foreign warsUmmmm, have you not been watching what's going on? We on the verge of nuclear war with Iran, in a trade war with China, now in a trade war with Mexico, f...ing around with Syria...all of which we had no reason to do. We better hope these countries do get together an gang up on us while our politics are in a flux because trump has pissed off our allies so we won't have anyone to turn to for help
• Defeat of ISISIsis was on the way out long before trump started his presidency fiasco
• Set terms for peace with the TalibanWut??? No he didn't.
• Pushing (successfully) to get NATO members to spend more on their national defenseNATO hasn't changed their policies yet. Also, its not as simple as these countries writing bigger checks...again, something may other people have tried to explain to him but he has no capability to comprehend complex information...unfortunately, neither does his supporters so here we are...the blind leading the blind and the ignorant following the ignorant. They bought into his over-simplified "build the wall", "lock her up" phrases and think that's all there is to the world
• Increased prosecutions of criminals for unlawful use of fire arms Where the hell are you getting this from?
• Support for US energy independence The only energy independence we have gotten is from the modern efficient energy efforts we were on the trajectory of achieving along with the rest of the world before trump weasled his way into the white house. Now with his crony Rick Perry leading the dept of energy, we are DEpendant on the oil and gas industry for our energy needs, which is taking us backwards
• Signed an Executive Order that placed a five-year ban on lobbying and a lifetime ban on lobbying for foreign countries for people working in his administration.I dont know where you got this from either
• SCOTUS nominationsYeah, I was somewhat ok with Gorsuch but Kavanaugh makes me ill
• Focus on STEM and school choiceI havent heard trump once articulate a policy on this. And considering who he put in charge of the Dept of Ed, no parent in this country should place any faith in his administration's ability to effectively run the education system or implement serious public education policy

I know that many of these things like tax cuts, energy independence, and fair trade would be reversed by any of the Dems that will run in 2020, and most of the RINO Repubs that might challenge Trump. So, I will continue to support him, unless a better choice comes along.I truly think any other person, other than donald trump, would be supported by dems and repubicans at this point. This is probably the best possible time for a good strong competitor to trump from the republican party to challenge him. I think they would get broad support from both parties. I am not really liking any of the dem candidates, except joe biden, so there is still room for a republican to get in there...but the more support your party puts behind trump, the less the rest of the country will have any respect for republicans because they seem like a bunch of hypocrits. All the values you all have touted for so long and moral conservatism, etc. etc. went out the window when you all supported trump as your leader. He stands for nothing republicans have been preaching for generations. Even though dems or liberals don't agree with republicans, at least we always knew where you all stood. Its really sad

Thoughts?

I finally had the time and energy to respond to all of this. Sorry for the delay. I'm sure you're gonna give me an "eye" full so I will await your responses :tongue2:

Mike Drop


jdstJD - I remember why I didn't respond - you did your comments inline with mine and didn't quote me for each of the points that you were commenting on. It made it difficult for me to respond back, frankly it was going to be too much effort to figure out how to respond clearly, and I like clarity. But since you followed up on it, which I sincerely appreciate, I'll try to go through and sort out what you did and provide responses...

Until next time,

Mike Drop


Oh I’m sorry. I actually thought it would be easier to respond the way I did. Don’t worry about it if it’s going to be a hassle. I think we both get each other’s points. I’ll just get the last word!! :D
 
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Today will be yet another day of profound disappointment for leftists.

David Axelrod, former Senior Advisor to President Obama, says it best in a recent tweet: "In fact, what Mueller appears to be promising is a deeply unsatisfying five hours for those who expect him to blaze new trails."
 
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VTKillarney wrote:
Today will be yet another day of profound disappointment for leftists.

David Axelrod, former Senior Advisor to President Obama, says it best in a recent tweet: "In fact, what Mueller appears to be promising is a deeply unsatisfying five hours for those who expect him to blaze new trails."


Wishfull thinking....

Did you actually totally exonerate the president?: "No"
What about the Steele report: "is outside of my purview"
"Yes, Trump wanted to fire me"
DId you conclude the President did not obstruct justice? "No".

Of course with 10 crystal clear felonies laid out in the report and ample evidence that the Trump team did collude with the Russians didn´t do anything.....

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So far he has offered absolutely nothing new. Nothing.

The Democrats look like fools right now. If they can't extract anything out of him the public is going to see what a colossal waste of time this was and what losers the Democrats are.

This might as well be a campaign ad for Trump.
 
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Not really.

Tugg
 
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VTKillarney wrote:
So far he has offered absolutely nothing new. Nothing.

The Democrats look like fools right now. If they can't extract anything out of him the public is going to see what a colossal waste of time this was and what losers the Democrats are.

This might as well be a campaign ad for Trump.


7 investigations of Benghazi and they found nothing, and you are upset because of round 1? What a snowflake with no real interest in how Trump is screwing over America.
 
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Believe me. I am not at all upset. This is fabulous PR for Trump. It is one of many reasons why Trump polling numbers are going up.
 
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By the way, for all you Trumpets out there. Mueller just stated that Trump was NOT EXONERATED. So let that sink in. There is work for Congress to do, and Trump is an absolute Liar.
 
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casinterest wrote:
By the way, for all you Trumpets out there. Mueller just stated that Trump was NOT EXONERATED. So let that sink in. There is work for Congress to do, and Trump is an absolute Liar.

Yup. That's what the report says. All of this is priced in for Trump.

Democrats got nothing new. They needed to. They lose.
 
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VTKillarney wrote:
So far he has offered absolutely nothing new. Nothing.

The Democrats look like fools right now. If they can't extract anything out of him the public is going to see what a colossal waste of time this was and what losers the Democrats are.

This might as well be a campaign ad for Trump.


I guess you have somehow missed that Mueller will only talk about the Report and nothing else, which has been known for weeks? So it was clear that there won´t be anything new.

This is only the brief TV Version of a 400 page report that most GOP members didn´t and very few Trump voters did read .......

But it is really need to see how the GOP is lying on its Twitter account about what is being said in the hearing almost in real time...

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VTKillarney wrote:
casinterest wrote:
By the way, for all you Trumpets out there. Mueller just stated that Trump was NOT EXONERATED. So let that sink in. There is work for Congress to do, and Trump is an absolute Liar.

Yup. That's what the report says. All of this is priced in for Trump.

Democrats got nothing new. They needed to. They lose.


What is new, is that it makes right wing media, nothing but liars, and it makes Mitch McConnell look like a dishonorable complicit coward for failing to launch an inquiry.
This is all valuable for honorable Americans that want the truth that their President is not being forthcoming or truthful or honorable.
 
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I personally would love to see the Democrats pursue this. All while seeking open borders and free health care for illegal immigrants. Well, the health care really isn't free. Hard working taxpayers will be picking up the bill.

This is all going to really help the Democrats win over Ohio, Michigan and Florida.
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Mueller just confirmed that even if he couldn't charge Trump with Obstuction of Justice during his presidency, it does not preclude charging him after his term is done.
 
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I personally would love to see the Democrats to pursue this. All while seeking open borders and free health care for illegal immigrants. Well, the health care really isn't free. Hard working taxpayers will be picking up the bill.

This is all going to really help the Democrats win over Ohio, Michigan and Florida.

Honorable Americans will pursue justice for this violation of our free and open elections. Decent Americans from all Political parties should pursue this .
 
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Mueller just confirmed that even if he couldn't charge Trump with Obstuction of Justice during his presidency, it does not preclude charging him after his term is done.

Everyone knew this.

Let me know when Mueller says something new. In the meantime, I'm loving watching the desperation from the Democrats.

And here I thought that the season finale of Game of Thrones would be the biggest letdown of the year.
 
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VTKillarney wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Mueller just confirmed that even if he couldn't charge Trump with Obstuction of Justice during his presidency, it does not preclude charging him after his term is done.

Everyone knew this.

Let me know when Mueller says something new. In the meantime, I'm loving watching the desperation from the Democrats.

And here I thought that the season finale of Game of Thrones would be the biggest letdown of the year.


You like watching further evidence of Lies of a President. Congratulations that you choose to celebrate electing a lying fraud.
 
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You like watching further evidence of Lies of a President. Congratulations that you choose to celebrate electing a lying fraud.

When you don't have facts on your side you tend to resort to cheap shots. It doesn't matter what I think about Trump. What matters is what people in swing states think. The Democrats just don't understand this. They are fighting for votes in Berkeley and Brooklyn.
 
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I'm loving watching the desperation from the Democrats..


desperation is warranted if the GOP keeps refusing to impeach someone with 10 clear and detailed felonies to be charged with. Its basically the "obstuction of justice" Party now....

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Much of the damage for Democrats today was not expected by me. Specifically, the Democrats have done a great job of making Mueller look old, tired, confused and weak. Mueller was supposed to be their knight in shining armor.

Nice going, Democrats.
 
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VTKillarney wrote:
casinterest wrote:
You like watching further evidence of Lies of a President. Congratulations that you choose to celebrate electing a lying fraud.

When you don't have facts on your side you tend to resort to cheap shots. It doesn't matter what I think about Trump. What matters is what people in swing states think. The Democrats just don't understand this. They are fighting for votes in Berkeley and Brooklyn.


I live in a swing state, and I can tell you Trump is going to lose it in the next election. 2018 showed that he lost women, and he has increased the turnout of the minorities that he attacks with his lies and racism. If the presidential election had been held in 2018, he would have lost.
 
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I live in a swing state, and I can tell you Trump is going to lose it in the next election.

Quoted for posterity.
 
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Ouch! Rep. Hakeem Jeffries just spent five minutes trying to get Mueller to agree that Trump committed obstruction. At what was supposed to be the climax of his questioning, Mueller responded: "I'm not supportive of that analytical charge."

Nice going, Democrats. This is a disaster of epic proportions. The Hindenburg comes to mind as the best analogy.
 
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More absolute carnage for the Democrats. Mueller told Rep. Cicilline, "I'm not going to adopt your characterization." This is all Democrats have attempted to do so far. Prod Mueller into endorsing their characterizations. He has repeatedly declined to do so.

Whoopsie!
 
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casinterest wrote:
I live in a swing state, and I can tell you Trump is going to lose it in the next election.

Quoted for posterity.



Let me give you a link for posterity.
Pay close attention to those shift lines and flipped lines under advanced demographics.

https://www.politico.com/election-resul ... -carolina/
https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/florida/
https://www.politico.com/election-resul ... nsylvania/
https://www.politico.com/election-resul ... wisconsin/
https://www.politico.com/election-resul ... /michigan/
 
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Mueller won't agree to sign the federal prosecutors' letter at Swalwell's request. Mueller won't read aloud a section of the report at Lieu's request.

He's constantly undermining Dems' theatrics.
 
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Buck: "Could you charge the president with a crime after he left office?"

Mueller: "Yes."

Buck: "You believe that you could charge the president of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?"

Mueller: "Yes."
Via ABC
 
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I'm finding it mildly amusing that every time a Democrat is making their point, the given network (ABC, NBC, CBS and MSNBC) has a graphic showing the section in the report that the question is referring to right on cue, but every time a Republican has a question they have nothing. Nah, no bias. Just talking points ready to go. :roll:

What a bunch of frauds. Glad to see this is an epic disaster for them.
 
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Buck: "Could you charge the president with a crime after he left office?"

Mueller: "Yes."

Buck: "You believe that you could charge the president of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?"

Mueller: "Yes."
Via ABC

Right. It was a procedural question. Mueller wasn't commenting on the sufficiency of the evidence. And that's the teensy weensy problem the Democrats have: evidence. Which has really been their problem since this whole con game began.
 
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casinterest wrote:
Buck: "Could you charge the president with a crime after he left office?"

Mueller: "Yes."

Buck: "You believe that you could charge the president of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?"

Mueller: "Yes."
Via ABC

Right. It was a procedural question. Mueller wasn't commenting on the sufficiency of the evidence. And that's the teensy weensy problem the Democrats have: evidence. Which has really been their problem since this whole con game began.


Sorry you cannot connect the dots.
Let me put it in simple "Non Right wing propaganda" notes for you.


Did you exonerate the president ? No
Can you charge this president after office? Yes
 
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VTKillarney wrote:
casinterest wrote:

Right. It was a procedural question. Mueller wasn't commenting on the sufficiency of the evidence. And that's the teensy weensy problem the Democrats have: evidence. Which has really been their problem since this whole con game began.


Sorry you cannot connect the dots.
Let me put it in simple "Non Right wing propaganda" notes for you.


Did you exonerate the president ? No
Can you charge this president after office? Yes

The former is a factual question and the latter is a procedural question. Just as I said.

Don't you find it odd that the question was not, "Did you find sufficient evidence to charge the President after his term of office expires?" Numerous Democrats have asked Mueller questions and not a single one has thought to ask that question. Hmm... I wonder why...
 
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Former special counsel Robert Mueller confirms that President Trump asked staff to falsify records relevant to the ongoing investigation.


That folks, is obstruction.

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/11540 ... gr%5Etweet

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