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Should Jerry Nadler be Removed for miss use Of Power?

Wed May 08, 2019 3:42 am

It's just amazing how Jerry Nadler continually fails to follow congressional rules of order and tries to continually discredit anyone related to President Trump through his position in congress. The powers of congress come with the caveat that those powers are not abused. Apparently, Jerry Nadlers own agenda is more important.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8hylgDTdWU

Not to be unkind, but Mr. Nadler does seem to be suffering from the effects of old age where senility is becoming increasingly apparent. This was readily apparent when Candice Owens was offering testimony to congress and he accused her of saying things she did not say. It seemed like he didn't have the mental capacity to even follow what she said.
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Wed May 08, 2019 3:49 am

Barr was subpoenaed to be questioned before Congress but Barr's boss told him not to go. Barr ignored the subpoena.

If team MAGA has nothing to hide why are they always hiding things?
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Wed May 08, 2019 4:03 am

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Barr was subpoenaed to be questioned before Congress but Barr's boss told him not to go. Barr ignored the subpoena.

If team MAGA has nothing to hide why are they always hiding things?

What exactly are they hiding? Another 5 hours of testimony about private correspondence between Mueller and AG Bar that was resolved 100% to Mr. Mueller's satisfaction when the full Mueller report was released? Where is the crime?

AG Bar was not subpoenaed and agreed to testify until Jerry Nadler changed the rules of engagement.
 
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Wed May 08, 2019 4:08 am

stratclub wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Barr was subpoenaed to be questioned before Congress but Barr's boss told him not to go. Barr ignored the subpoena.

If team MAGA has nothing to hide why are they always hiding things?

What exactly are they hiding? Another 5 hours of testimony about private correspondence between Mueller and AG Bar that was resolved 100% to Mr. Mueller's satisfaction when the full Mueller report was released? Where is the crime?

AG Bar was not subpoenaed and agreed to testify until Jerry Nadler changed the rules of engagement.


Makes me wonder if someone ever played the game of 'Clue'..or is familiar with the meaning of 'Consciousness of Guilt'

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Re: Should Jerry Nadler be Removed for miss use Of Power?

Wed May 08, 2019 4:44 am

You know, the problem with modern-era misinformation is that we could try to link to an intelligent political and legal analysis explaining to the misinformed what is really happening here and Maybe they could realize their opinion hosts are lying to them and feeding them straight propaganda, but they'd just immediately reject the new information saying it's "MSM" or has "liberal bias". It's remarkably cult like, where they've convinced a segment of the population that they shouldn't trust anyone else but them. When they convince these people to not trust their own lying eyes...

Anyways, Nadler is fine. It's the executive branch that is very much abusing powers. Repeatedly. Destroying the institutions of this country piece by piece.

BTW you clearly haven't even read the redacted Mueller report if you think anyone's been cleared of wrongdoing, beyond a few very low level aides who accidentally gave material support to Russians thinking they were enthusiastic American Trump supporters (none of whom were referred to by name in the report).
 
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Wed May 08, 2019 4:48 am

BN747 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Barr was subpoenaed to be questioned before Congress but Barr's boss told him not to go. Barr ignored the subpoena.

If team MAGA has nothing to hide why are they always hiding things?

What exactly are they hiding? Another 5 hours of testimony about private correspondence between Mueller and AG Bar that was resolved 100% to Mr. Mueller's satisfaction when the full Mueller report was released? Where is the crime?

AG Bar was not subpoenaed and agreed to testify until Jerry Nadler changed the rules of engagement.


Makes me wonder if someone ever played the game of 'Clue'..or is familiar with the meaning of 'Consciousness of Guilt'

BN747

Guilty of what exactly? Not showing up for a kangaroo court where the odds of anything resembling justice are not followed? I'm sure Hitler would approve of Jerry Nadler's corrupt agenda.

Just how many times and in how many ways can you testify about things that have Zero legal precedent?
 
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Wed May 08, 2019 5:07 am

stratclub wrote:
BN747 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
What exactly are they hiding? Another 5 hours of testimony about private correspondence between Mueller and AG Bar that was resolved 100% to Mr. Mueller's satisfaction when the full Mueller report was released? Where is the crime?

AG Bar was not subpoenaed and agreed to testify until Jerry Nadler changed the rules of engagement.


Makes me wonder if someone ever played the game of 'Clue'..or is familiar with the meaning of 'Consciousness of Guilt'

BN747

Guilty of what exactly? Not showing up for a kangaroo court where the odds of anything resembling justice are not followed? I'm sure Hitler would approve of Jerry Nadler's corrupt agenda.

Just how many times and in how many ways can you testify about things that have Zero legal precedent?


true..there is no precedent to date of the Executive branch of government giving the middle finger to the Legislative branch for all to see.

And you're fully on board with that.

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Wed May 08, 2019 5:11 am

How is Nadler misusing his power? As chairman of the House Judiciary committee, one of his key jobs is ensuring congressional oversight of the Justice Department. By issuing subpoenas for key people to testify, he is helping to fulfil this role. That being said, we can debate the concept of executive privilege all day long, and the president is clearly exerting it. But to say that Nadler is misusing his power is a stretch. What I don't agree with as far as Nadler goes is why he and the Democrats still refuse to look at the less redacted version of the Mueller report. No, its not completely unredacted, but it is more than what we as the public could read, and the odds of convincing the right people that they should see grand jury testimony is very slim.
 
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Wed May 08, 2019 5:17 am

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You know, the problem with modern-era misinformation is that we could try to link to an intelligent political and legal analysis explaining to the misinformed what is really happening here and Maybe they could realize their opinion hosts are lying to them and feeding them straight propaganda, but they'd just immediately reject the new information saying it's "MSM" or has "liberal bias". It's remarkably cult like, where they've convinced a segment of the population that they shouldn't trust anyone else but them. When they convince these people to not trust their own lying eyes...

Anyways, Nadler is fine. It's the executive branch that is very much abusing powers. Repeatedly. Destroying the institutions of this country piece by piece.

BTW you clearly haven't even read the redacted Mueller report if you think anyone's been cleared of wrongdoing, beyond a few very low level aides who accidentally gave material support to Russians thinking they were enthusiastic American Trump supporters (none of whom were referred to by name in the report).

So how is the Executive branch expecting fair and impartial treatment under the law a crime? The constitution does not say you are guilty of a crime because we say so and we will go to any lengths legally or illegally to prove it. The purpose of an oversight committee certainly is NOT to try to railroad a sitting president or any of their subordinates.

No Jerry Nadler is not fine. Clearly he is suffering from dementia or some other late life ailment and has a hell bent need to destroy our President at any cost. What Jerry Nadler is doing now is proof that he is not fit to serve in the capacity of his congressional office.
 
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Wed May 08, 2019 10:12 am

stratclub wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
You know, the problem with modern-era misinformation is that we could try to link to an intelligent political and legal analysis explaining to the misinformed what is really happening here and Maybe they could realize their opinion hosts are lying to them and feeding them straight propaganda, but they'd just immediately reject the new information saying it's "MSM" or has "liberal bias". It's remarkably cult like, where they've convinced a segment of the population that they shouldn't trust anyone else but them. When they convince these people to not trust their own lying eyes...

Anyways, Nadler is fine. It's the executive branch that is very much abusing powers. Repeatedly. Destroying the institutions of this country piece by piece.

BTW you clearly haven't even read the redacted Mueller report if you think anyone's been cleared of wrongdoing, beyond a few very low level aides who accidentally gave material support to Russians thinking they were enthusiastic American Trump supporters (none of whom were referred to by name in the report).

So how is the Executive branch expecting fair and impartial treatment under the law a crime? The constitution does not say you are guilty of a crime because we say so and we will go to any lengths legally or illegally to prove it. The purpose of an oversight committee certainly is NOT to try to railroad a sitting president or any of their subordinates.

No Jerry Nadler is not fine. Clearly he is suffering from dementia or some other late life ailment and has a hell bent need to destroy our President at any cost. What Jerry Nadler is doing now is proof that he is not fit to serve in the capacity of his congressional office.


You comply with subpoenas. Simple.
 
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Wed May 08, 2019 10:47 am

Jouhou wrote:
stratclub wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
You know, the problem with modern-era misinformation is that we could try to link to an intelligent political and legal analysis explaining to the misinformed what is really happening here and Maybe they could realize their opinion hosts are lying to them and feeding them straight propaganda, but they'd just immediately reject the new information saying it's "MSM" or has "liberal bias". It's remarkably cult like, where they've convinced a segment of the population that they shouldn't trust anyone else but them. When they convince these people to not trust their own lying eyes...

Anyways, Nadler is fine. It's the executive branch that is very much abusing powers. Repeatedly. Destroying the institutions of this country piece by piece.

BTW you clearly haven't even read the redacted Mueller report if you think anyone's been cleared of wrongdoing, beyond a few very low level aides who accidentally gave material support to Russians thinking they were enthusiastic American Trump supporters (none of whom were referred to by name in the report).

So how is the Executive branch expecting fair and impartial treatment under the law a crime? The constitution does not say you are guilty of a crime because we say so and we will go to any lengths legally or illegally to prove it. The purpose of an oversight committee certainly is NOT to try to railroad a sitting president or any of their subordinates.

No Jerry Nadler is not fine. Clearly he is suffering from dementia or some other late life ailment and has a hell bent need to destroy our President at any cost. What Jerry Nadler is doing now is proof that he is not fit to serve in the capacity of his congressional office.


You comply with subpoenas. Simple.


Exactly. All the Trumpistas who are all about 'rule of law' seem to forget that itty bitty detail. :sarcastic:
And stratclub, you complain about people in power suffering from dementia. Might want to look at your clown of a President for that assessment. :duck:
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Wed May 08, 2019 10:50 am

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true..there is no precedent to date of the Executive branch of government giving the middle finger to the Legislative branch for all to see.

BN747

That is a patently false statement.

http://www.mit.edu/people/fuller/peace/ ... stify.html

Obama frequently rejected Congressional subpoenas and refused to hand over records. So did George W. Bush. So did Bill Clinton. This is a common dynamic between the Executive and Legislative branches. But now my fellow Democrats are screaming that Trump doing it is a Constitutional Crisis.
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Wed May 08, 2019 10:55 am

I don't think anyone here has really looked at the thread title.

For no one has even yet discussed Miss Use of Power's qualifications.
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Re: Should Jerry Nadler be Removed for miss use Of Power?

Wed May 08, 2019 11:38 am

Jouhou wrote:
stratclub wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
You know, the problem with modern-era misinformation is that we could try to link to an intelligent political and legal analysis explaining to the misinformed what is really happening here and Maybe they could realize their opinion hosts are lying to them and feeding them straight propaganda, but they'd just immediately reject the new information saying it's "MSM" or has "liberal bias". It's remarkably cult like, where they've convinced a segment of the population that they shouldn't trust anyone else but them. When they convince these people to not trust their own lying eyes...

Anyways, Nadler is fine. It's the executive branch that is very much abusing powers. Repeatedly. Destroying the institutions of this country piece by piece.

BTW you clearly haven't even read the redacted Mueller report if you think anyone's been cleared of wrongdoing, beyond a few very low level aides who accidentally gave material support to Russians thinking they were enthusiastic American Trump supporters (none of whom were referred to by name in the report).

So how is the Executive branch expecting fair and impartial treatment under the law a crime? The constitution does not say you are guilty of a crime because we say so and we will go to any lengths legally or illegally to prove it. The purpose of an oversight committee certainly is NOT to try to railroad a sitting president or any of their subordinates.


No Jerry Nadler is not fine. Clearly he is suffering from dementia or some other late life ailment and has a hell bent need to destroy our President at any cost. What Jerry Nadler is doing now is proof that he is not fit to serve in the capacity of his congressional office.

You comply with subpoenas. Simple.

And using subpoena power as a weapon to harass someone is abuse of power. AG Bar was willing to appear until for no rational reason Nadler changed the rules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_ ... #Subpoenas
"As announced in Wilkinson v. United States,[7] a Congressional committee must meet three requirements for its subpoenas to be "legally sufficient." First, the committee's investigation of the broad subject area must be authorized by its chamber; second, the investigation must pursue "a valid legislative purpose" but does not need to involve legislation and does not need to specify the ultimate intent of Congress; and third, the specific inquiries must be pertinent to the subject matter area that has been authorized for investigation".

Certainly doesn't meet any pertinent subject matter for authorized investigation. What is the Democrats subject matter for investigation? Trump and AG Bar MUST have done something illegal and even if we don't know what that is we are going to keep looking until we find it. Sounds pretty flimsy.

The Democrats agenda spear headed by Jerry Nadler of harassment through never ending witch hunts and false narratives may backfire on them.
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Wed May 08, 2019 11:50 am

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I don't think anyone here has really looked at the thread title.

For no one has even yet discussed Miss Use of Power's qualifications.

Great point. Did you draw any conclusion from the video I posted? Also, I would say that Jerry Nadler's never ending witch hunts certainly is not legitimate congressional oversight. I watched all five hours of AG Bar's testimony and clearly the narratives the Democrats are pushing amount to a nothing more than politicking for 2020.
 
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Wed May 08, 2019 12:42 pm

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It's just amazing how Jerry Nadler continually fails to follow congressional rules of order and tries to continually discredit anyone related to President Trump through his position in congress. The powers of congress come with the caveat that those powers are not abused. Apparently, Jerry Nadlers own agenda is more important.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8hylgDTdWU

Not to be unkind, but Mr. Nadler does seem to be suffering from the effects of old age where senility is becoming increasingly apparent. This was readily apparent when Candice Owens was offering testimony to congress and he accused her of saying things she did not say. It seemed like he didn't have the mental capacity to even follow what she said.


So you think Barr should get away with lying to congress? Oh that's right you support Trump. The Lying Racist Coward.
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Wed May 08, 2019 12:49 pm

Has the judiciary committee actually issued a subpoena for Barr to testify? To my knowledge they have not. My understanding is that today's contempt hearing is specifically in regards to Barr not issuing a fully unredacted version of the Mueller report. Something he legally cannot do because of laws preventing him from releasing grand jury testimony. Mueller clearly knew that to be the case yet included that testimony in the report anyways.

So two questions.
1) Has Jerry Nadler gone to view the less redacted report the AG has made available? If not then it's clear this is a farce.
2) Has Jerry Nadler issued a subpoena for Barr to testify? If not then it's clear this is a farce.
 
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Wed May 08, 2019 1:04 pm

Lol. "Miss Use of Power" is definitely a contest Trump should look into buying...

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Has the judiciary committee actually issued a subpoena for Barr to testify? To my knowledge they have not. My understanding is that today's contempt hearing is specifically in regards to Barr not issuing a fully unredacted version of the Mueller report. Something he legally cannot do because of laws preventing him from releasing grand jury testimony. Mueller clearly knew that to be the case yet included that testimony in the report anyways.

So two questions.
1) Has Jerry Nadler gone to view the less redacted report the AG has made available? If not then it's clear this is a farce.
2) Has Jerry Nadler issued a subpoena for Barr to testify? If not then it's clear this is a farce.



Why shouldn't congress get Full Access? Mueller laid out that many obstruction items required Congressional action.
It seems to me that Barr and the Justice Department are stonewalling as they know certain redaction will lead to full investigations into the Trump administrations attempts to Obstruct. And maybe they really fear that Congress would have the authority to actually investigate further ties to the Trump's Business and organizational dealings with Russia.
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Wed May 08, 2019 1:20 pm

casinterest wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
Has the judiciary committee actually issued a subpoena for Barr to testify? To my knowledge they have not. My understanding is that today's contempt hearing is specifically in regards to Barr not issuing a fully unredacted version of the Mueller report. Something he legally cannot do because of laws preventing him from releasing grand jury testimony. Mueller clearly knew that to be the case yet included that testimony in the report anyways.

So two questions.
1) Has Jerry Nadler gone to view the less redacted report the AG has made available? If not then it's clear this is a farce.
2) Has Jerry Nadler issued a subpoena for Barr to testify? If not then it's clear this is a farce.



Why shouldn't congress get Full Access? Mueller laid out that many obstruction items required Congressional action.
It seems to me that Barr and the Justice Department are stonewalling as they know certain redaction will lead to full investigations into the Trump administrations attempts to Obstruct. And maybe they really fear that Congress would have the authority to actually investigate further ties to the Trump's Business and organizational dealings with Russia.



Maybe I wasn't clear enough so I'll repeat it. The only items not viewable by congress are grand jury testimony. There is literally a law passed by congress preventing this. Jerry Nadler has the ability to view all the other content which includes the redacted portions pertaining to sources and methods - but with grand jury testimony still redacted.
 
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Wed May 08, 2019 1:35 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
Has the judiciary committee actually issued a subpoena for Barr to testify? To my knowledge they have not. My understanding is that today's contempt hearing is specifically in regards to Barr not issuing a fully unredacted version of the Mueller report. Something he legally cannot do because of laws preventing him from releasing grand jury testimony. Mueller clearly knew that to be the case yet included that testimony in the report anyways.

So two questions.
1) Has Jerry Nadler gone to view the less redacted report the AG has made available? If not then it's clear this is a farce.
2) Has Jerry Nadler issued a subpoena for Barr to testify? If not then it's clear this is a farce.



Why shouldn't congress get Full Access? Mueller laid out that many obstruction items required Congressional action.
It seems to me that Barr and the Justice Department are stonewalling as they know certain redaction will lead to full investigations into the Trump administrations attempts to Obstruct. And maybe they really fear that Congress would have the authority to actually investigate further ties to the Trump's Business and organizational dealings with Russia.



Maybe I wasn't clear enough so I'll repeat it. The only items not viewable by congress are grand jury testimony. There is literally a law passed by congress preventing this. Jerry Nadler has the ability to view all the other content which includes the redacted portions pertaining to sources and methods - but with grand jury testimony still redacted.


Only 12 members of Congress were granted this not all of them, and Nadler tried to get a deal to open it up to the judiciary and Intelligence committees, which should have responsibility for handling this information. especially if Obstruction occurred, and the Department of Justice is not working. Remember Congress has the CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY for OVERSIGHT of the EXECUTIVE Branch.

Or are you saying that Trump and the GOP and the Trump Administration no longer believe in the Constitution of the United States?
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How is Nadler misusing his power? As chairman of the House Judiciary committee, one of his key jobs is ensuring congressional oversight of the Justice Department. By issuing subpoenas for key people to testify, he is helping to fulfil this role. That being said, we can debate the concept of executive privilege all day long, and the president is clearly exerting it. But to say that Nadler is misusing his power is a stretch. What I don't agree with as far as Nadler goes is why he and the Democrats still refuse to look at the less redacted version of the Mueller report. No, its not completely unredacted, but it is more than what we as the public could read, and the odds of convincing the right people that they should see grand jury testimony is very slim.


:checkmark: . This. I didn't hear such whining from the usually suspects when the G.O.P. was trying to fry HRC with innumerable "Bengazi hearings"... or their politically-motivated probes into any number of Obama-era policies. Just now they have suddenly awakened to the fact that Congress may (or may not) sometimes overstep its bounds for investigation... but that is not for the White House to decide.


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"Should Jerry Nadler be Removed for miss use Of Power?".



In English, the term is "misuse". Perhaps it is different in Russian...

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trpmb6 wrote:
casinterest wrote:


Why shouldn't congress get Full Access? Mueller laid out that many obstruction items required Congressional action.
It seems to me that Barr and the Justice Department are stonewalling as they know certain redaction will lead to full investigations into the Trump administrations attempts to Obstruct. And maybe they really fear that Congress would have the authority to actually investigate further ties to the Trump's Business and organizational dealings with Russia.



Maybe I wasn't clear enough so I'll repeat it. The only items not viewable by congress are grand jury testimony. There is literally a law passed by congress preventing this. Jerry Nadler has the ability to view all the other content which includes the redacted portions pertaining to sources and methods - but with grand jury testimony still redacted.


Only 12 members of Congress were granted this not all of them, and Nadler tried to get a deal to open it up to the judiciary and Intelligence committees, which should have responsibility for handling this information. especially if Obstruction occurred, and the Department of Justice is not working. Remember Congress has the CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY for OVERSIGHT of the EXECUTIVE Branch.

Or are you saying that Trump and the GOP and the Trump Administration no longer believe in the Constitution of the United States?


Sure congress has constitutionally given right to exercise oversight of the executive branch. But that doesn't mean they get everything. Many many court cases specifically address the oversight role. Besides. It doesn't matter. There is still that pesky law preventing the release of grand jury testimony. Which IMO is far more important that we protect than anything else. We protect grand jury testimony for a reason. A very important reason.
 
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I don't get it, how's Nadler any different than Darrell Issa and his "let's just have another investigation on Hillary"? And did anyone on "the right" said anything about Issa "miss use his power"? No.

Seriously, check and balance is one of the beauty of the US system. Executive overreach had been slowly eroding that balance, though.
 
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How is Nadler misusing his power? As chairman of the House Judiciary committee, one of his key jobs is ensuring congressional oversight of the Justice Department. By issuing subpoenas for key people to testify, he is helping to fulfil this role. That being said, we can debate the concept of executive privilege all day long, and the president is clearly exerting it. But to say that Nadler is misusing his power is a stretch. What I don't agree with as far as Nadler goes is why he and the Democrats still refuse to look at the less redacted version of the Mueller report. No, its not completely unredacted, but it is more than what we as the public could read, and the odds of convincing the right people that they should see grand jury testimony is very slim.


:checkmark: . This. I didn't hear such whining from the usually suspects when the G.O.P. was trying to fry HRC with innumerable "Bengazi hearings"... or their politically-motivated probes into any number of Obama-era policies. Just now they have suddenly awakened to the fact that Congress may (or may not) sometimes overstep its bounds for investigation... but that is not for the White House to decide.


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"Should Jerry Nadler be Removed for miss use Of Power?".



In English, the term is "misuse". Perhaps it is different in Russian...

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LOL - I was wondering who 'she' is.
 
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trpmb6 wrote:


Maybe I wasn't clear enough so I'll repeat it. The only items not viewable by congress are grand jury testimony. There is literally a law passed by congress preventing this. Jerry Nadler has the ability to view all the other content which includes the redacted portions pertaining to sources and methods - but with grand jury testimony still redacted.


Only 12 members of Congress were granted this not all of them, and Nadler tried to get a deal to open it up to the judiciary and Intelligence committees, which should have responsibility for handling this information. especially if Obstruction occurred, and the Department of Justice is not working. Remember Congress has the CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY for OVERSIGHT of the EXECUTIVE Branch.

Or are you saying that Trump and the GOP and the Trump Administration no longer believe in the Constitution of the United States?


Sure congress has constitutionally given right to exercise oversight of the executive branch. But that doesn't mean they get everything. Many many court cases specifically address the oversight role. Besides. It doesn't matter. There is still that pesky law preventing the release of grand jury testimony. Which IMO is far more important that we protect than anything else. We protect grand jury testimony for a reason. A very important reason.


Wait What?
The congressional intelligence committees and Judiciary committees are sworn to protect that information.
Are you saying that all the bitching about executive power of Barack Obama was nothing but a lie by the GOP? That the GOP is absolutely not constitutionally oriented, and does not have the best interests of this country as it's priority?
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I don't get it, how's Nadler any different than Darrell Issa and his "let's just have another investigation on Hillary"? And did anyone on "the right" said anything about Issa "miss use his power"? No.

Seriously, check and balance is one of the beauty of the US system. Executive overreach had been slowly eroding that balance, though.


Absolutely right. I don't blame Nadler or any of the other committee chairs for pushing and probing. I just think this bit about contempt with Barr is off base.

Subpoena Barr. Subpoena Mueller. Subpoena McGahn. The first one must comply. The second I believe should comply and would not be able to be blocked. The third can be restricted through executive privilege imo - the last one would end up in the courts for sure.

Strictly speaking I don't think the Mueller report even needed to be released. I believe they could have kept it sealed and not delivered anything to Congress. So at this point they've gotten more than I believe they are constitutionally entitled to anyways. But the grand jury testimony can not be released because of existing law. Congress can change that if they want. Not that it will happen - nor should it. We protect that testimony for good reasons.

@cas I don't know how more specific you want me to get. It's a felony for Barr to release anything more. I'm talking about this specific request. I have no issue with Nadler and others performing their duty as oversight. But on this specific request they are wrong and they know they are wrong.
 
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BN747 wrote:

true..there is no precedent to date of the Executive branch of government giving the middle finger to the Legislative branch for all to see.

BN747

That is a patently false statement.

http://www.mit.edu/people/fuller/peace/ ... stify.html

Obama frequently rejected Congressional subpoenas and refused to hand over records. So did George W. Bush. So did Bill Clinton. This is a common dynamic between the Executive and Legislative branches. But now my fellow Democrats are screaming that Trump doing it is a Constitutional Crisis.


Did you see that, stratclub? There is precedence...now the glaring difference.

Obama had an hostile/aggressive Congress because he was who he was...the 1st black President but they will argue 'policy differences'...

Fat Donny is facing a hostile/aggressive because 1) he has been found to be compromised by a foreign power.
2) he has been found to be an unindicted co-conspirator of a crime.
3) his co-conspirator has disclosed details of fraudulent banking practices (you'd go to jail for).
4) The investigation into his campaign and personal matters point to a very corrupt man with a criminal mind.
5) One of many investigations of him has revealed him to be a HUGE tax cheat
6) Everyone willing to look..can see ALL of his resistance to Congress centers on 1 thing - cover up of him from the Law. Nothing to do with protecting America, but protecting him only.

The clear difference is ...one was defiant to Congress trying to move government along.
The current Admin ...is one defiant of ALL law pertaining to him and to cover his own ass from poor decisions, criminal activity in his personal life.

Huge different Mr. Moderate.

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Wed May 08, 2019 2:39 pm

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alfa164 wrote:
apodino wrote:
How is Nadler misusing his power? As chairman of the House Judiciary committee, one of his key jobs is ensuring congressional oversight of the Justice Department. By issuing subpoenas for key people to testify, he is helping to fulfil this role. That being said, we can debate the concept of executive privilege all day long, and the president is clearly exerting it. But to say that Nadler is misusing his power is a stretch. What I don't agree with as far as Nadler goes is why he and the Democrats still refuse to look at the less redacted version of the Mueller report. No, its not completely unredacted, but it is more than what we as the public could read, and the odds of convincing the right people that they should see grand jury testimony is very slim.


:checkmark: . This. I didn't hear such whining from the usually suspects when the G.O.P. was trying to fry HRC with innumerable "Bengazi hearings"... or their politically-motivated probes into any number of Obama-era policies. Just now they have suddenly awakened to the fact that Congress may (or may not) sometimes overstep its bounds for investigation... but that is not for the White House to decide.


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"Should Jerry Nadler be Removed for miss use Of Power?".



In English, the term is "misuse". Perhaps it is different in Russian...

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LOL - I was wondering who 'she' is.


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@cas I don't know how more specific you want me to get. It's a felony for Barr to release anything more. I'm talking about this specific request. I have no issue with Nadler and others performing their duty as oversight. But on this specific request they are wrong and they know they are wrong.


They are not wrong if the redacted information is covering up Criminal activities by the president, that Barr is covering for.
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Magog wrote:
BN747 wrote:

true..there is no precedent to date of the Executive branch of government giving the middle finger to the Legislative branch for all to see.

BN747

That is a patently false statement.

http://www.mit.edu/people/fuller/peace/ ... stify.html

Obama frequently rejected Congressional subpoenas and refused to hand over records. So did George W. Bush. So did Bill Clinton. This is a common dynamic between the Executive and Legislative branches. But now my fellow Democrats are screaming that Trump doing it is a Constitutional Crisis.


Did you see that, stratclub? There is precedence...now the glaring difference.

Obama had an hostile/aggressive Congress because he was who he was...the 1st black President but they will argue 'policy differences'...

Fat Donny is facing a hostile/aggressive because 1) he has been found to be compromised by a foreign power.
2) he has been found to be an unindicted co-conspirator of a crime.
3) his co-conspirator has disclosed details of fraudulent banking practices (you'd go to jail for).
4) The investigation into his campaign and personal matters point to a very corrupt man with a criminal mind.
5) One of many investigations of him has revealed him to be a HUGE tax cheat
6) Everyone willing to look..can see ALL of his resistance to Congress centers on 1 thing - cover up of him from the Law. Nothing to do with protecting America, but protecting him only.

The clear difference is ...one was defiant to Congress trying to move government along.
The current Admin ...is one defiant of ALL law pertaining to him and to cover his own ass from poor decisions, criminal activity in his personal life.


Is this meant to be parody? Because if it is, you've done an excellent job.

Your parody aside, let me repeat. This is NOTHING new. Welcome to politics. We've been doing it for a while in this country.
 
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Well now we know Trump is guilty. He just issued executive privilege over the Mueller Report. The most corrupt President ever.
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Wed May 08, 2019 3:07 pm

I find it more amazing that people think Nadler is a tyrant for actually doing his job but give McConnell a pass for failing to do his job of scheduling hearings for a SCOTUS nominee.

I'm also even more amazed that people parrot Trump's claim about how he's the most transparent president ever, yet don't bat an eye when he's muddier than mud.

Smartest and most intelligent individual, but attempts to keep academic records sealed.
Rich individual, but attempts to keep tax records sealed.
Most transparent administration, but exerts executive privilege to prevent testifying or documents from being released.

For someone who claims he has nothing to hide, he sure hides a lot of stuff. A normal Average Joe would be told to put their money where their mouth is (i.e. show evidence). Somehow, for Trump, that doesn't apply.
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Wed May 08, 2019 3:27 pm

Magog wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Magog wrote:
That is a patently false statement.

http://www.mit.edu/people/fuller/peace/ ... stify.html

Obama frequently rejected Congressional subpoenas and refused to hand over records. So did George W. Bush. So did Bill Clinton. This is a common dynamic between the Executive and Legislative branches. But now my fellow Democrats are screaming that Trump doing it is a Constitutional Crisis.


Did you see that, stratclub? There is precedence...now the glaring difference.

Obama had an hostile/aggressive Congress because he was who he was...the 1st black President but they will argue 'policy differences'...

Fat Donny is facing a hostile/aggressive because 1) he has been found to be compromised by a foreign power.
2) he has been found to be an unindicted co-conspirator of a crime.
3) his co-conspirator has disclosed details of fraudulent banking practices (you'd go to jail for).
4) The investigation into his campaign and personal matters point to a very corrupt man with a criminal mind.
5) One of many investigations of him has revealed him to be a HUGE tax cheat
6) Everyone willing to look..can see ALL of his resistance to Congress centers on 1 thing - cover up of him from the Law. Nothing to do with protecting America, but protecting him only.

The clear difference is ...one was defiant to Congress trying to move government along.
The current Admin ...is one defiant of ALL law pertaining to him and to cover his own ass from poor decisions, criminal activity in his personal life.


Is this meant to be parody? Because if it is, you've done an excellent job.

Your parody aside, let me repeat. This is NOTHING new. Welcome to politics. We've been doing it for a while in this country.


Ok, so just like those people who say they are 'color blind'...you're now in the boat of 'it's all the same, none is worst than the other...' variations and grading is without meaning for you.

Must be some view from where you sit.

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Magog wrote:
BN747 wrote:

Did you see that, stratclub? There is precedence...now the glaring difference.

Obama had an hostile/aggressive Congress because he was who he was...the 1st black President but they will argue 'policy differences'...

Fat Donny is facing a hostile/aggressive because 1) he has been found to be compromised by a foreign power.
2) he has been found to be an unindicted co-conspirator of a crime.
3) his co-conspirator has disclosed details of fraudulent banking practices (you'd go to jail for).
4) The investigation into his campaign and personal matters point to a very corrupt man with a criminal mind.
5) One of many investigations of him has revealed him to be a HUGE tax cheat
6) Everyone willing to look..can see ALL of his resistance to Congress centers on 1 thing - cover up of him from the Law. Nothing to do with protecting America, but protecting him only.

The clear difference is ...one was defiant to Congress trying to move government along.
The current Admin ...is one defiant of ALL law pertaining to him and to cover his own ass from poor decisions, criminal activity in his personal life.


Is this meant to be parody? Because if it is, you've done an excellent job.

Your parody aside, let me repeat. This is NOTHING new. Welcome to politics. We've been doing it for a while in this country.


Ok, so just like those people who say they are 'color blind'...you're now in the boat of 'it's all the same, none is worst than the other...' variations and grading is without meaning for you.

Must be some view from where you sit.

BN747

First, you conveniently left out Jimmy Carter, Clinton and other Democrat Presidents who have done the same thing that Trump is doing.

Second, merely saying that something is motivated by racism doesn't make it true. If you have actual evidence, I am all ears.
 
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Wed May 08, 2019 3:52 pm

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Not to be unkind, but Mr. Nadler does seem to be suffering from the effects of old age where senility is becoming increasingly apparent. This was readily apparent when Candice Owens was offering testimony to congress and he accused her of saying things she did not say. It seemed like he didn't have the mental capacity to even follow what she said.


Are you also worried about the mental state of our President? He seems to have forgotten where his own father was born. How very sad.
 
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Wed May 08, 2019 3:55 pm

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You know, the problem with modern-era misinformation is that we could try to link to an intelligent political and legal analysis explaining to the misinformed what is really happening here and Maybe they could realize their opinion hosts are lying to them and feeding them straight propaganda, but they'd just immediately reject the new information saying it's "MSM" or has "liberal bias". It's remarkably cult like, where they've convinced a segment of the population that they shouldn't trust anyone else but them. When they convince these people to not trust their own lying eyes...

Anyways, Nadler is fine. It's the executive branch that is very much abusing powers. Repeatedly. Destroying the institutions of this country piece by piece.

BTW you clearly haven't even read the redacted Mueller report if you think anyone's been cleared of wrongdoing, beyond a few very low level aides who accidentally gave material support to Russians thinking they were enthusiastic American Trump supporters (none of whom were referred to by name in the report).


Exactly. Saying Nadler is abusing his power by trying to sift through this pile of murky crap that Trump, with the assistance and enabling of the Republicans, has built up around the presidency as well as our government as a whole, is RICH!! I am so disgusted with the people in what has always been touted as a strong country that is at the forefront of Western civilization who voted a person like Donald Trump into the office of the presidency it makes me feel sick. All these decades Republicans have held themselves out to be the champions of family values, high moral character, holding the rule of law sacred and practically worshiping the Constitution but in one instant they have thrown all of that out he window and votes this guy into the highest office in American government??? The epitome of the opposite of all of those characteristics??? I will never look at Republicans the same way again.
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Wed May 08, 2019 4:03 pm

Magog wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Magog wrote:

Is this meant to be parody? Because if it is, you've done an excellent job.

Your parody aside, let me repeat. This is NOTHING new. Welcome to politics. We've been doing it for a while in this country.


Ok, so just like those people who say they are 'color blind'...you're now in the boat of 'it's all the same, none is worst than the other...' variations and grading is without meaning for you.

Must be some view from where you sit.

BN747

First, you conveniently left out Jimmy Carter, Clinton and other Democrat Presidents who have done the same thing that Trump is doing.

Second, merely saying that something is motivated by racism doesn't make it true. If you have actual evidence, I am all ears.


The evidence that the actions of Republicans to undermine and sabotage Obama’s presidency, and lest we forget delegitimize it by arguing that he couldn’t have possibly been born in America so he wasn’t really a president, were motivated by by racism is found in the multitude of people who have come right out and said it!! Even the white supremacists whom have left their movement have explained the rise in the white supremacist rhetoric and hate crimes and their support of trump is a direct result of inflamed racism from a black man being elected president. It’s ridiculous when people ignore clear evidence and even PROOF of racism just so that they can say it doesn’t exist.
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Wed May 08, 2019 4:13 pm

Magog wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Magog wrote:

Is this meant to be parody? Because if it is, you've done an excellent job.

Your parody aside, let me repeat. This is NOTHING new. Welcome to politics. We've been doing it for a while in this country.


Ok, so just like those people who say they are 'color blind'...you're now in the boat of 'it's all the same, none is worst than the other...' variations and grading is without meaning for you.

Must be some view from where you sit.

BN747

First, you conveniently left out Jimmy Carter, Clinton and other Democrat Presidents who have done the same thing that Trump is doing.

Second, merely saying that something is motivated by racism doesn't make it true. If you have actual evidence, I am all ears.


WTF are you talking about Jimmy Carter did not commit any crimes nor did he obstruct Justice.
Clinton did commit a crime...he lied under oath.

Clinton Admin had a hostile House because Newt Gingrinch - self-explanatory.
Carter Admin had a hostile Dem house because he refused to play status quo.

NONE of these guys made the kind of trouble FAT Donny's had made for himself...end if story.

Quite trying convince others that 'everything is equal' no matter what is.

Merely saying that something is motivated by racism doesn't make it true.

You cannot be conscious in America and say that was not true against Obama. We;ll American Racist can be conscious and say that...but they are the only ones. breathing.

You must live in Malta or some place to come yp with that gem.

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Wed May 08, 2019 4:26 pm

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..... WTF are you talking about Jimmy Carter did not commit any crimes nor did he obstruct Justice......


Neither did President Trump, according to the Mueller Report.

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MikeDrop wrote:
BN747 wrote:
..... WTF are you talking about Jimmy Carter did not commit any crimes nor did he obstruct Justice......


Neither did President Trump, according to the Mueller Report.

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incorrect. But if you buy Barr's lies, you probably believe that.
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incorrect. But if you buy Barr's lies, you probably believe that.



I'll never understand why Trump voters hate America and want to destroy it so much, and are willing to lie and delude themselves and everyone else in pursuit of their terrorist agenda.
 
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MikeDrop wrote:
BN747 wrote:
..... WTF are you talking about Jimmy Carter did not commit any crimes nor did he obstruct Justice......


Neither did President Trump, according to the Mueller Report.

Mike Drop


You clearly didn't read the report. Especially volume 2 (obstruction of justice) of the report where it concludes it can't charge a sitting president with a crime, but can investigate him. It says he can be charged after exiting office. It also says If they thought he was an innocent man, they would say so. They didn't. They laid out the facts that show some extremely blatant obstruction though.

Volume 1 described a campaign team that was waist deep with Russians but They didn't have direct enough evidence to prove the campaign knew what they were doing, although they knew the Russians were helping them and they celebrated it. They did however have an absolute boatload of circumstantial evidence.
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casinterest wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:
BN747 wrote:
..... WTF are you talking about Jimmy Carter did not commit any crimes nor did he obstruct Justice......


Neither did President Trump, according to the Mueller Report.

Mike Drop

incorrect. But if you buy Barr's lies, you probably believe that.


Mueller Report - Page 2, Volume 1 - “…the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

No underlying crime

Attorney General Barr’s summary memo dated March 24, 2019 - “…, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent….

No obstructive conduct

Game, set, match. Time to move on….

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Barr was subpoenaed to be questioned before Congress but Barr's boss told him not to go. Barr ignored the subpoena.

If team MAGA has nothing to hide why are they always hiding things?

What exactly are they hiding? Another 5 hours of testimony about private correspondence between Mueller and AG Bar that was resolved 100% to Mr. Mueller's satisfaction when the full Mueller report was released? Where is the crime?

AG Bar was not subpoenaed and agreed to testify until Jerry Nadler changed the rules of engagement.


Team MAGA keeps blocking the release of documents so no one will see what they are hiding. That is the point. They know what is in those reports. It is obviously damning. If it did show "total exoneration" like the king says, they would release the full and unredacted report. They are doing the exact opposite.

Nadler did not change a thing. The occupant of the White Hosue told OUR (the attorney general works for We The People, not the White House) attorney general to not testify and not say anything to The House. This is not how innocent people act. Hiding and blocking evidence because they are innocent.
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MikeDrop wrote:
casinterest wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:

Neither did President Trump, according to the Mueller Report.

Mike Drop

incorrect. But if you buy Barr's lies, you probably believe that.


Mueller Report - Page 2, Volume 1 - “…the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

No underlying crime

Attorney General Barr’s summary memo dated March 24, 2019 - “…, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent….

No obstructive conduct

Game, set, match. Time to move on….

Mike Drop


Barr stated he doesn't think a president can obstruct justice, and came to that conclusion prior to the report. The report itself defines "did not establish" as not being an indication of innocence, rather a lack of DIRECT evidence (IE a video tape of illegal activities being performed). The circumstantial evidence is still there and abundant.
 
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MikeDrop wrote:
casinterest wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:

Neither did President Trump, according to the Mueller Report.

Mike Drop

incorrect. But if you buy Barr's lies, you probably believe that.


Mueller Report - Page 2, Volume 1 - “…the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

No underlying crime

Attorney General Barr’s summary memo dated March 24, 2019 - “…, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent….

No obstructive conduct

Game, set, match. Time to move on….

Mike Drop


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Jouhou wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:
casinterest wrote:
incorrect. But if you buy Barr's lies, you probably believe that.


Mueller Report - Page 2, Volume 1 - “…the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

No underlying crime

Attorney General Barr’s summary memo dated March 24, 2019 - “…, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent….

No obstructive conduct

Game, set, match. Time to move on….

Mike Drop


Barr stated he doesn't think a president can obstruct justice, and came to that conclusion prior to the report. The report itself defines "did not establish" as not being an indication of innocence, rather a lack of DIRECT evidence (IE a video tape of illegal activities being performed). The circumstantial evidence is still there and abundant.

The matter is finished. The DOJ has decided that there is no obstruction. The only recourse for you anti-Trumpers is impeachment.

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I'll never understand why Trump voters hate America and want to destroy it so much, and are willing to lie and delude themselves and everyone else in pursuit of their terrorist agenda.

It's hyperbole like this that has me extremely frustrated with my party. Frankly, it's very Trump-like, which is the ultimate irony.
 
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MikeDrop wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:

Mueller Report - Page 2, Volume 1 - “…the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

No underlying crime

Attorney General Barr’s summary memo dated March 24, 2019 - “…, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent….

No obstructive conduct

Game, set, match. Time to move on….

Mike Drop


Barr stated he doesn't think a president can obstruct justice, and came to that conclusion prior to the report. The report itself defines "did not establish" as not being an indication of innocence, rather a lack of DIRECT evidence (IE a video tape of illegal activities being performed). The circumstantial evidence is still there and abundant.

The matter is finished. The DOJ has decided that there is no obstruction. The only recourse for you anti-Trumpers is impeachment.

Mike Drop


Really, have you read the report?

It's not "finished" the only thing that's finished is Barrs respect as a lawyer. He was always the GOP legal clean up guy, but now that's all he is. Maybe read up on him and his past. Remember Iran-conta? Barr was a part of the clean up crew. It should be noted Mueller himself was very loyal to the GOP too, but being a dedicated enforcer of the law decided long ago his service to the public and upholding the law was more important than his love of the GOP. Which is why some of us respect the man even though he chose to not go against DOJ guidance (aka opinion). He's non partisan when It comes to serving the people. He is only partisan in private. If only more GOPers could make that distinction these days.

Also considering what volume 2 actually says and not what you think it says, if he's voted out he will likely be immediately charged within a week of the inauguration of the new president.

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