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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Sat May 25, 2019 8:07 am

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ummmm

It wasn't Pelosi that "torpedoed" that meeting: Trump walked out.

But you knew that.

Complete BS. Pelosi completely torpedoed any chance of any reasonable dialog in the infrastructure meeting by assassinating the President's character before the meeting. If someone just burned your house down would you be inclined to negotiate with them about anything? And really, Pelosi's vicious attach was designed to cast the President in an unfavorable light. "Oh really, we just killed your first born and you have the audacity to not work with us"?

Pelosi's agenda has nothing to do with the needs of the American people, it's just another day of assassinating the American President's credibility. Please explain to me why the President should continually take it up the keyster from Democrats who are on a mission to destroy him?
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 1:21 pm

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Sat May 25, 2019 2:54 pm

stratclub wrote:
Spar wrote:
ummmm

It wasn't Pelosi that "torpedoed" that meeting: Trump walked out.

But you knew that.

Complete BS. Pelosi completely torpedoed any chance of any reasonable dialog in the infrastructure meeting by assassinating the President's character before the meeting. If someone just burned your house down would you be inclined to negotiate with them about anything? And really, Pelosi's vicious attach was designed to cast the President in an unfavorable light. "Oh really, we just killed your first born and you have the audacity to not work with us"?

Pelosi's agenda has nothing to do with the needs of the American people, it's just another day of assassinating the American President's credibility. Please explain to me why the President should continually take it up the keyster from Democrats who are on a mission to destroy him?


Tom Coleman, R-MO, could not disagree more:

"I'm calling for impeachment now because the Mueller report is out, and in it [special counsel Robert Mueller] describes 10 obstructions of justice charges that he could not bring because of a Department of Justice rule and regulation that says you can't indict a sitting president. That's number one," former Rep. Tom Coleman (R-Mo.) told CNN's Erin Burnett.

The longtime GOP lawmaker, who left the House in 1993, said his other reason for calling for the president to be removed was because Trump "welcomed help and influence" from Russians during his campaign.


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Sat May 25, 2019 5:15 pm

More complete BS. The President still could be charged with a crime and then indicted after he left office in 2024. Also, the only people colluding with the Russians was people in Obama's administration, the DNC and HRC. Now that the President has declassified government document in regards to spying on him, the truth will be coming out and those culpable will be charged, convicted and go to prison.
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Sat May 25, 2019 5:35 pm

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If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Harry S Truman

Very true. I would imagine that very soon The Mighty Orange One will be able to quit fake tanning because the sun will soon be coming out for him and "We The People". For someone that perfected the art of the deal, for our President, the Democrat's most despicable plan is just a walk in the park to defeat.
 
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Sun May 26, 2019 1:23 am

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More complete BS. The President still could be charged with a crime and then indicted after he left office in 2024. Also, the only people colluding with the Russians was people in Obama's administration, the DNC and HRC. Now that the President has declassified government document in regards to spying on him, the truth will be coming out and those culpable will be charged, convicted and go to prison.


The Mueller report invalidates your statement - you can read all about Don Jr, Manafort, and Gates actively reaching out to Russians on pages 110-142.
45 was perhaps uninvolved but Volume II section G outlines the various attempts to shield Don Jr from any scrutiny around the June 9th meeting even though he a. lied about its origins and b. told a different story than Kushner, Cohen and Bannon. The latter three had their accounts backed up by email and text records. Don Jr’s emails show he lied about the intent and origin of the meeting. You can see it all there if you aren’t too lazy to read.

It’s understandable a parent would cover for their kid - there’s a screw up in every family after all. But Don Jr brought unneeded scrutiny to the campaign and WH, covered his tracks poorly, and made his dad look bad - he’s a laughable character in all this in my book.
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Sun May 26, 2019 3:02 am

Mueller doesn't even want to testify. Should we force him? That would certainly fit in with the current congress that has sent out more subpoenas than any other in living memory. His inclination not to testify fundamentally disproves the idea that Barr is hiding a smoking gun. The report is comprehensive and can be read in full minus 2 full and 7 partial lines by the congressional leadership. It can be read almost in full by anyone in the world, even in Timbuktu. There's nothing in there, and the Democrats should try to pass bills to advance the countries instead of launching one futile and constitutionally questionable attempt at toppling Trump after the other. At this point I sincerely believe that they are just scrambling to hide crimes committed by the "scandal free" previous administration. This will all come to light now that a responsible AG is in charge whose primary interest is keeping up the rule of law that was treated with so much contempt under the previous AGs and directors.
 
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Sun May 26, 2019 3:51 am

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The report is comprehensive and can be read in full minus 2 full and 7 partial lines by the congressional leadership. It can be read almost in full by anyone in the world, even in Timbuktu. There's nothing in there...


An opinion only possible if one has not read it.

As for the AG being responsible - what a laugh. This is the same guy who engineered pardons for every Iran-Contra conviction. Since when post-1979 is selling Iran weapons a pardonable crime?
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Sun May 26, 2019 4:17 am

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stratclub wrote:
More complete BS. The President still could be charged with a crime and then indicted after he left office in 2024. Also, the only people colluding with the Russians was people in Obama's administration, the DNC and HRC. Now that the President has declassified government document in regards to spying on him, the truth will be coming out and those culpable will be charged, convicted and go to prison.


The Mueller report invalidates your statement - you can read all about Don Jr, Manafort, and Gates actively reaching out to Russians on pages 110-142.
45 was perhaps uninvolved but Volume II section G outlines the various attempts to shield Don Jr from any scrutiny around the June 9th meeting even though he a. lied about its origins and b. told a different story than Kushner, Cohen and Bannon. The latter three had their accounts backed up by email and text records. Don Jr’s emails show he lied about the intent and origin of the meeting. You can see it all there if you aren’t too lazy to read.

It’s understandable a parent would cover for their kid - there’s a screw up in every family after all. But Don Jr brought unneeded scrutiny to the campaign and WH, covered his tracks poorly, and made his dad look bad - he’s a laughable character in all this in my book.

So what pages actually point to criminal acts? Mueller's 2nd volume was an abomination and read more like something written by Jerry Springer. If there was any actual proof of any crime, Mueller would have recommended criminal indictments.

And really, Mueller was derelict in his duty by not actually making a determination of guilt of anybody in volume two. His approach does work for Jerry Springer, but does not work in actual criminal law.

So if Don JR is culpable for a crime, where is the evidence? Hidden in Adam Shiff's "Shiff for Brains" Shiff or Jerry "Nadless" Nadler's colon? We certainly need to provide Adam or Jerry with a restroom so he can produce the "evidence" that will indict our President.
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 6:08 am

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Aaron747 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
More complete BS. The President still could be charged with a crime and then indicted after he left office in 2024. Also, the only people colluding with the Russians was people in Obama's administration, the DNC and HRC. Now that the President has declassified government document in regards to spying on him, the truth will be coming out and those culpable will be charged, convicted and go to prison.


The Mueller report invalidates your statement - you can read all about Don Jr, Manafort, and Gates actively reaching out to Russians on pages 110-142.
45 was perhaps uninvolved but Volume II section G outlines the various attempts to shield Don Jr from any scrutiny around the June 9th meeting even though he a. lied about its origins and b. told a different story than Kushner, Cohen and Bannon. The latter three had their accounts backed up by email and text records. Don Jr’s emails show he lied about the intent and origin of the meeting. You can see it all there if you aren’t too lazy to read.

It’s understandable a parent would cover for their kid - there’s a screw up in every family after all. But Don Jr brought unneeded scrutiny to the campaign and WH, covered his tracks poorly, and made his dad look bad - he’s a laughable character in all this in my book.

So what pages actually point to criminal acts? Mueller's 2nd volume was an abomination and read more like something written by Jerry Springer. If there was any actual proof of any crime, Mueller would have recommended criminal indictments.

And really, Mueller was derelict in his duty by not actually making a determination of guilt of anybody in volume two. His approach does work for Jerry Springer, but does not work in actual criminal law.

So if Don JR is culpable for a crime, where is the evidence? Hidden in Adam Shiff's "Shiff for Brains" Shiff or Jerry "Nadless" Nadler's colon? We certainly need to provide Adam or Jerry with a restroom so he can produce the "evidence" that will indict our President.


Already pointed out the relevant pages and subsections. Not going to hold your hand for you like we’re in primary school.
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Sun May 26, 2019 6:38 am

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aviationaware wrote:
The report is comprehensive and can be read in full minus 2 full and 7 partial lines by the congressional leadership. It can be read almost in full by anyone in the world, even in Timbuktu. There's nothing in there...


An opinion only possible if one has not read it.


Mueller himself said so. No evidence of collusion. Was he lying in his report? Ignore volume two, which is irrelevant because without an underlying crime any obstruction fantasy is just silly. The fact that Mueller did not come to a conclusion on this shows the unholy influence the dozen or so Clinton supporters on his staff had over the report. That was absolutely unprecedented and not up to legal standard at all.
 
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Sun May 26, 2019 7:47 am

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Mueller himself said so. No evidence of collusion.

That's your fantasy, not a reality from either Muller himself or his report.

If you want to claim that he said that, you need to show your specific source.
Time date location, document name, page number. Verifiable exact quote.
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 3:49 pm

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-n ... index.html

"Special Counsel Robert Mueller just said that "charging the president with a crime was not an option we could consider" under DOJ policy.
It wasn't lack of evidence. It was DOJ policy.
"

"We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the President did commit a crime,"

Mueller then explained, citing Department of Justice policy, that a President "cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional."

"Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that, too, is prohibited," Mueller said. The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice, he said, and is therefore bound by its policies.
"Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider,"


Impeach please.
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 4:12 pm

Essentially, Mueller basically said "I can't do anything, but congress can". Time for impeachment indeed.
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 4:37 pm

He also said he would not testify, and if he were forced to testify nothing he said would go beyond what was already contained within the report. I don't believe we will get anywhere beyond what is there at this point. So impeachment is futile and will simply lead to a Trump 2020 victory.
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 4:47 pm

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So impeachment is futile and will simply lead to a Trump 2020 victory.


According to... your crystal ball? You have no idea what the implications of an impeachment hearing might be. No. clue. At this point, the possible 2020 implications should be irrelevant - impeachment is the correct next course of action in enforcing the law.
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 5:11 pm

winginit wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
So impeachment is futile and will simply lead to a Trump 2020 victory.


According to... your crystal ball? You have no idea what the implications of an impeachment hearing might be. No. clue. At this point, the possible 2020 implications should be irrelevant - impeachment is the correct next course of action in enforcing the law.


There are several steps to take before the actual impeachment trial in the Senate. That will never happen anyway because Republicans put party ahead of country. But, before the trial moves to the Senate, the House must investigate and put together the case to move to a trial. Impeachment inquiry. To see if the evidence is there to put together a case. That could take months. Then, there is putting together and presenting the case to the Senate. Even if McConnell does the right thing and lets the relevant committees read the House documents, it would still need to get out of committee and be voted on whether to begin an actual trial.

Again, none of that will happen because Republicans put the desires of their own party ahead of the good of the country.....
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Wed May 29, 2019 7:20 pm

Reinhardt wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/mueller-statement-russia-investigation-may-29-2019/index.html

"Special Counsel Robert Mueller just said that "charging the president with a crime was not an option we could consider" under DOJ policy.
It wasn't lack of evidence. It was DOJ policy.
"

"We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the President did commit a crime,"

Mueller then explained, citing Department of Justice policy, that a President "cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional."

"Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that, too, is prohibited," Mueller said. The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice, he said, and is therefore bound by its policies.
"Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider,"


Impeach please.

Pure nonsense. The Mueller Probe still could have made a determination of guilt like the Star Probe did when Bill Clinton lied to congress 11 times. All Mueller was doing today was CYA damage control. Impeach for what exactly? Telling the truth? Not letting the Democrats railroad him out of office? Nancy Peloci and Jerry Nadler should be run out of office for their continuing untruthful and despicable harassment of our President.
 
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Wed May 29, 2019 7:56 pm

stratclub wrote:
Reinhardt wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/mueller-statement-russia-investigation-may-29-2019/index.html

"Special Counsel Robert Mueller just said that "charging the president with a crime was not an option we could consider" under DOJ policy.
It wasn't lack of evidence. It was DOJ policy.
"

"We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the President did commit a crime,"

Mueller then explained, citing Department of Justice policy, that a President "cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional."

"Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that, too, is prohibited," Mueller said. The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice, he said, and is therefore bound by its policies.
"Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider,"


Impeach please.

Pure nonsense. The Mueller Probe still could have made a determination of guilt like the Star Probe did when Bill Clinton lied to congress 11 times. All Mueller was doing today was CYA damage control. Impeach for what exactly? Telling the truth? Not letting the Democrats railroad him out of office? Nancy Peloci and Jerry Nadler should be run out of office for their continuing untruthful and despicable harassment of our President.


Respectfully disagree. Ken Starr's probe was under a different set of laws. Mueller's office operated under the auspices of the justice department. Mark Levin has long held that no matter what Mueller couldn't indict him. He has essentially stated as such. I'm anxious to hear his take on this tonight actually. What is telling is Trump could have prevented Mueller from speaking. He didn't. I don't think this will change anything in anyone's minds.
 
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Wed May 29, 2019 8:10 pm

seb146 wrote:
winginit wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
So impeachment is futile and will simply lead to a Trump 2020 victory.


According to... your crystal ball? You have no idea what the implications of an impeachment hearing might be. No. clue. At this point, the possible 2020 implications should be irrelevant - impeachment is the correct next course of action in enforcing the law.


There are several steps to take before the actual impeachment trial in the Senate. That will never happen anyway because Republicans put party ahead of country. But, before the trial moves to the Senate, the House must investigate and put together the case to move to a trial. Impeachment inquiry. To see if the evidence is there to put together a case. That could take months. Then, there is putting together and presenting the case to the Senate. Even if McConnell does the right thing and lets the relevant committees read the House documents, it would still need to get out of committee and be voted on whether to begin an actual trial.

Again, none of that will happen because Republicans put the desires of their own party ahead of the good of the country.....

I’m looking forward to the Dems spending all of their political energy and capital on yet another unsuccessful attempt to “Get Trump” through impeachment. It will last well into the 2020 election cycle and it will make the 2020 election about impeachment. I predict that this will provide extreme motivation to the Trump supporters who elected him on 2016, and it will result in another 4 years of Trump as president.

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Wed May 29, 2019 8:16 pm

I would like to see Trump impeached, even if the Senate does not vote to convict. However, I have one concern with impeachment. If we slip into a recession, Trump will be able to blame Congress for focusing on impeachment rather than the economy. I'm not convinced that this will be enough to save Trump, but it would at least make me nervous.
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 8:53 pm

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I predict that this will provide extreme motivation to the Trump supporters who elected him on 2016, and it will result in another 4 years of Trump as president.

People keep saying things like this, but I am coming to doubt it. While rabid, the "Trump base" is pretty small. Enough to swing a few percentage points at most. The rest of "the base" are more normal, Republican's or anti-tax, or wanting more restrained government, or religious, or wanting controlled spending etc. And Trump is not really any of those. If there is solid grounds for impeachment then I think that "other base" will be weaker, be more likely to stay home.

No matter what, the real thing that will decide the election will be who his opponent is.

No one actually knows though until the election results come in.

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Wed May 29, 2019 9:46 pm

Tugger wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:
I predict that this will provide extreme motivation to the Trump supporters who elected him on 2016, and it will result in another 4 years of Trump as president.

People keep saying things like this, but I am coming to doubt it. While rabid, the "Trump base" is pretty small. Enough to swing a few percentage points at most. The rest of "the base" are more normal, Republican's or anti-tax, or wanting more restrained government, or religious, or wanting controlled spending etc. And Trump is not really any of those. If there is solid grounds for impeachment then I think that "other base" will be weaker, be more likely to stay home.

No matter what, the real thing that will decide the election will be who his opponent is.

No one actually knows though until the election results come in.

Tugg


Prior history has shown us that even with solid grounds of impeaching someone, they still can be re-elected easily. I would put Perjury and Obstruction of justice in the same class of crime. I think you'll be surprised to find that many Republican's view the actions laid out in the Mueller report to not constitute obstruction. Telling McGahn, for instance, to find ways to remove Mueller due to conflicts of interests, does not, in my view, constitute an obstruction of justice (He never said end the investigation). Removing Comey from his position as Director of the FBI does not constitute obstruction of justice, the Director serves at the pleasure of the President. And besides that, he had a recommendation from the very person who opened the investigation recommending his firing.

I know many, many Republicans (myself included) who held their nose while voting for Trump. Now they are far more enthusiastic about supporting him. And the polling numbers with Republicans reflect that.
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 9:57 pm

seb146 wrote:
winginit wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
So impeachment is futile and will simply lead to a Trump 2020 victory.


According to... your crystal ball? You have no idea what the implications of an impeachment hearing might be. No. clue. At this point, the possible 2020 implications should be irrelevant - impeachment is the correct next course of action in enforcing the law.


There are several steps to take before the actual impeachment trial in the Senate. That will never happen anyway because Republicans put party ahead of country. But, before the trial moves to the Senate, the House must investigate and put together the case to move to a trial. Impeachment inquiry. To see if the evidence is there to put together a case. That could take months. Then, there is putting together and presenting the case to the Senate. Even if McConnell does the right thing and lets the relevant committees read the House documents, it would still need to get out of committee and be voted on whether to begin an actual trial.

Again, none of that will happen because Republicans put the desires of their own party ahead of the good of the country.....

"Republicans put party ahead of country." "Republicans put the desires of their own party ahead of the good of the country."

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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Wed May 29, 2019 10:09 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:
I predict that this will provide extreme motivation to the Trump supporters who elected him on 2016, and it will result in another 4 years of Trump as president.

People keep saying things like this, but I am coming to doubt it. While rabid, the "Trump base" is pretty small. Enough to swing a few percentage points at most. The rest of "the base" are more normal, Republican's or anti-tax, or wanting more restrained government, or religious, or wanting controlled spending etc. And Trump is not really any of those. If there is solid grounds for impeachment then I think that "other base" will be weaker, be more likely to stay home.
No matter what, the real thing that will decide the election will be who his opponent is.

No one actually knows though until the election results come in.

Tugg


Prior history has shown us that even with solid grounds of impeaching someone, they still can be re-elected easily. I would put Perjury and Obstruction of justice in the same class of crime. I think you'll be surprised to find that many Republican's view the actions laid out in the Mueller report to not constitute obstruction. Telling McGahn, for instance, to find ways to remove Mueller due to conflicts of interests, does not, in my view, constitute an obstruction of justice (He never said end the investigation). Removing Comey from his position as Director of the FBI does not constitute obstruction of justice, the Director serves at the pleasure of the President. And besides that, he had a recommendation from the very person who opened the investigation recommending his firing.

I know many, many Republicans (myself included) who held their nose while voting for Trump. Now they are far more enthusiastic about supporting him. And the polling numbers with Republicans reflect that.

My non-scientific poll of a very small sample size of Trump voters that I know tells me that many agree with your assessment. But, in addition to your assessment, they don’t view the Mueller report and follow on democratic reaction as separate from the last 2.5 years of continuous spewing of bile and hate from those on the left. All remember
- the death threats towards the electors before the inauguration,
- the riots the day of the inauguration,
- mad Maxine Waters calls for impeachment on day 1,
- the pussy hat March,
- Kathy Griffin’s celebrated photo with a fake Trump head,
- The crooked Avanattis hundreds of appearances on MSNBC bashing Trump,
- the false accusations of drugging and gang rape on Justice Kavanaugh,
- the race baiting by Democrats in Congress
- Adam Schiffs continued false accusations of Trump with no evidence.
- and all of the continued antics by the left to this day.

All are sick and tired of the BS from the left and there is nothing short of proven and real criminal behavior by Trump that will get the vast majority of Trump voters to listen to a single word that is said or typed by any left leaning, Trump hating liberal. Period.

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Wed May 29, 2019 10:38 pm

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Essentially, Mueller basically said "I can't do anything, but congress can". Time for impeachment indeed.

Well no. Mueller said there is no evidence for probable cause of guilt but he did leave some "raw meat" in the report to sprinkle in the Demos shark tank as a political move to help keep the Demos witch hunt feeding frenzy alive.

Putin's target wasn't Trump, it was the Democrats and judging by the Democrats completely irrational behavior, Putin must be very pleased.
 
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Wed May 29, 2019 11:50 pm

One of the few things that Mueller was clear about is that he won’t be testifying. Congress will still subpoena him, though.
 
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Thu May 30, 2019 12:21 am

MikeDrop wrote:
seb146 wrote:
winginit wrote:

According to... your crystal ball? You have no idea what the implications of an impeachment hearing might be. No. clue. At this point, the possible 2020 implications should be irrelevant - impeachment is the correct next course of action in enforcing the law.


There are several steps to take before the actual impeachment trial in the Senate. That will never happen anyway because Republicans put party ahead of country. But, before the trial moves to the Senate, the House must investigate and put together the case to move to a trial. Impeachment inquiry. To see if the evidence is there to put together a case. That could take months. Then, there is putting together and presenting the case to the Senate. Even if McConnell does the right thing and lets the relevant committees read the House documents, it would still need to get out of committee and be voted on whether to begin an actual trial.

Again, none of that will happen because Republicans put the desires of their own party ahead of the good of the country.....

I’m looking forward to the Dems spending all of their political energy and capital on yet another unsuccessful attempt to “Get Trump” through impeachment. It will last well into the 2020 election cycle and it will make the 2020 election about impeachment. I predict that this will provide extreme motivation to the Trump supporters who elected him on 2016, and it will result in another 4 years of Trump as president.

Mike Drop


Except they are not going to do that. Republicans have given them so many other things to run on. Women's right to choose, LGBTQ rights, affordable health care, affordable education, tax cuts.... They don't need to keep screaming his name like Republicans keep bringing up Hillary. Republicans have done jack since gaining power. THAT is what Democrats will run on: We have these plans that we want to enact as opposed to Republicans keep us in power to stop Hillary and socialism!
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Thu May 30, 2019 12:59 am

Um... I’m not terribly convinced that the Democrats will refrain from screaming Trump’s name.
 
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Re: Poll finds wide support for Mueller to testify.

Thu May 30, 2019 1:13 am

Magog wrote:
Um... I’m not terribly convinced that the Democrats will refrain from screaming Trump’s name.


The strongest candidates have done a pretty good job keeping from sounding like children and throwing childish insults. Unlike the presumptive Republican nominee......
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!

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