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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:04 pm

That'll be interesting, though a shame if we'd have to pay a 3rd time for FSX. Still, it should be cheaper than scrapping all the paid add-ons ;)

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:57 pm

Epakey wrote:
What suggestions do you have for Windows 10?


Install classic shell....

cjg225 wrote:
Everyone hates 365. It is sooooooooooooooooo sllllllllllllllowwwwwwwwwwww.


Thank you!!!! Its like they run it on a x86 emulator implemented in BASIC ..
If you use it blind with a keyboard you always accidentally edit stuff because it just can't keep up. I7, 16GB RAM, fast SSD and it takes freaking forever for the search field to open and accept clipboard pastes...

stratclub wrote:
Windows 10 is just O.K. A big issue with Windows 10 is forced updates.


Or that software won't run on 1607, but works on 1809 or vica versa.....

Get the Win 10 IoT LTS* Versions, at least no forced function updates ever, as MS charges for those on that license.

stratclub wrote:
Alexa is an app that you cannot uninstall or completely disable and is actually spyware on it's default security settings.


It also comes without Cortana....

it's a real shame that MS didn't just keep supporting windows 7. It doesn't spy on you and it works great.


Fun fact: a fresh windows 7 installation gets to the latest patch level faster than a fresh 1607 Win 10 installation. I wonder how they screwed that up so bad so quick...

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:59 pm

tommy1808 wrote:

Thank you!!!! Its like they run it on a x86 emulator implemented in BASIC ..
If you use it blind with a keyboard you always accidentally edit stuff because it just can't keep up. I7, 16GB RAM, fast SSD and it takes freaking forever for the search field to open and accept clipboard pastes...

With Outlook 365, I love accidentally sending emails because I hit "Reply" and immediately start typing, but it still hasn't processed my request, so it interprets my keystrokes as, "Oh, I should send this empty or partially-written reply."
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:32 pm

cjg225 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

Thank you!!!! Its like they run it on a x86 emulator implemented in BASIC ..
If you use it blind with a keyboard you always accidentally edit stuff because it just can't keep up. I7, 16GB RAM, fast SSD and it takes freaking forever for the search field to open and accept clipboard pastes...

With Outlook 365, I love accidentally sending emails because I hit "Reply" and immediately start typing, but it still hasn't processed my request, so it interprets my keystrokes as, "Oh, I should send this empty or partially-written reply."


Oh yeah... that is a good one too. Or the smart spell checker that takes ages to figure out that I am not typing in the same language anymore. Or the auto select feature, that selects anything but what you want, and why the hell is there a pop up menu for font features when I select text with by mouse, but not when I select by keyboard.....

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:33 pm

Epakey wrote:
What do you think about Windows 10?
I just upgraded to Windows 10,i don't know enough about it,
What suggestions do you have for Windows 10?


I had to use it my last few months before retirement, it was better than others, but I felt it tried to do too much to be a tablet on a desktop. It also tries too hard to be an Apple product. When you don’t have to have software to support what your doing at work that requires Windows, going Mac is easy as heck. The most we use a PC for these days is media management (pictures, movies, music). Numbers, Pages and Keynote are more than sufficient. I actually like them better now that we’ve been using it for a couple of years. It was weird to not have Office after being a slave to it for 20 years. I always felt Microsoft was a utility product built around work, and Apple was built largely around the home with vastly superior creative work capability. It’s so true. We do practically everything on iPads now and sit down at the Mac when we are working on cleaning up the thousands of pictures we’ve taken over the years (and getting rid of junk shots). God I hate digital cameras. Shooting off 100 pictures has effectively zero cost penalty unlike film.
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:06 pm

I'm not sure what you are doing with 365 and outlook, I don't experience any of the problems being noted here. And I use it daily for dozens and dozens of emails.

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:54 pm

My personal Windows 10 laptop works great, really no complain about it, although to be fair, I don't ask it to emulate the cockpit of a 787 doing a nose-dive into Courchevel.

My work Windows 10 laptop has multiple bugs, and when I send it for repairs, comes back with the bugs fixed, and new species of bugs I didn't know existed.The one thing that works reliably well is 365.

Still, me thinks Windows 10 may not be the problem...
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:10 pm

Office 365 works very well as long as people remember it is a web based program. We do office 365 deployments as part of my job, part of the checklist we run are tools from Microsoft to check bandwidth and connectivity... Probably 60% of business are failing or minimal pass on these tests, and when we troubleshoot deployments later due to slowness again almost always it's a connection issue. Companies don't want to upgrade their connectivity because of the costs to get decent performance out of things like o365... And then they also do stuff like Azure, virtual conferencing, cloud storage, etc... over the same connections and slow everything down even more... And then get upset at the software, no sorry it's your connection, we warned you, you did it anyways, you need to upgrade your connection or change ISPs to one that can provide a better option.

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:52 am

You guys are right, I use Google Docs quite a lot both at home and at work and the difference between the home & office is astounding, at home on a new machine with high speed connection it works like a dream but in the office it's very slow and awkward to use due to lag. I like using Google Docs because of the cloud storage meaning I can work on my personal projects during lunch at work then continue at home.

As for my PC based office suite, I've been using Open Office for years and think very highly of it.

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:25 am

Windows 10 is fine as long as you download and install Classic Shell

https://www.fosshub.com/Classic-Shell.h ... _4_3_1.exe

It then looks and feels like Windows 7 again.
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:34 am

At least once or twice a year you should Google " Windows 10 iso " then press Update Now. This installs the latest version (1903) of Windows 10, and sorts out the many update issues people are having.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/softwar ... /windows10

You can also use Download Tool, to create a USB version of Windows 10 to upgrade another computer or use to recover from a crash, virus or Trojan.
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:41 am

uta999 wrote:
At least once or twice a year you should Google " Windows 10 iso " then press Update Now. This installs the latest version (1903) of Windows 10, and sorts out the many update issues people are having.


Unless the update in itself causes the problem. Here probably 80% of all windows shipped are still 2016 LTSB (i.e. 1607) because customers software won´t work on 1809 .... and only one customer that needs 1809 to run his application.

virus or Trojan.


you mean Cortana? *scnr*

I agree on Classis shell though. .... with a mouse that menue is still way superior to the default Windows 10 one.

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:43 am

To recover from a Windows failure on boot, login or Trojan issues, use Recovery Mode. If in Windows it is in Control Panel.

If you cannot get into Windows 10, restart the computer three times by pressing the power button in for six seconds. This turns the computer off, turn on and repeat three times within one minute. You should now be in Recovery Mode (Safe Mode).

Press Troubleshoot, then Advanced, then Troubleshoot again. You can then decide whether to use Reset (Save my files), or System Restore which does not affect your data.

This will fix most problems and get you back into Windows 10, without any data loss. A reset may affect some programs, printers which might need to be installed again.
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:47 am

FlyingColours wrote:
You guys are right, I use Google Docs quite a lot both at home and at work


we used to use the Google environment and that was fast ..... and the Spreadsheet had a currency import so simple that i can not figure out why Excel doesn´t have something along the lines of GOOGLEFINANCE functions since about 1995.....

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:29 am

All i found about computer (Windows 10) tricks:
https://www.lifewire.com/windows-10-tip ... ks-4586390
Another thing about password manage:
https://www.windows10passwordreset.com/
I didn't do a lot of research, these are all from my previous collection.
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:34 pm

I can weigh in on the Windows7-not-genuine-error. The second fix in the link below fixed the error for me. Windows update KB971033 appears to be a "GIFT" from MS to get you to ditch Windows 7.
https://www.itechfever.com/how-to-fix-w ... ine-error/

*Go to Start then Control Panel.
*Click on Windows Update at the very bottom of the control panel.
*Now click on View Installed Updates, It’ll open list of installed windows updates.
*Find an update KB971033 and uninstall it by double-clicking on it.
* Restart.
https://www.itechfever.com/how-to-fix-w ... ine-error/

Check future recommended Windows updates by Googling their update numbers before installing them in case MS rolls the update number of the Malware KB971033 update.
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:55 pm

what is this Windows 10 you guys are talking about? :lol:
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:08 pm

Dutchy wrote:
what is this Windows 10 you guys are talking about? :lol:
A collection of Malware/Spyware dreamed up by Microsoft. I have been using Linux Ubuntu for about 10 years and those 2 times a year I have to use my Windows 10 partition for my automotive diagnostic cable Windows 10 just makes me feel ill and violated.
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:25 pm

stratclub wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
what is this Windows 10 you guys are talking about? :lol:
A collection of Malware/Spyware dreamed up by Microsoft. I have been using Linux Ubuntu for about 10 years and those 2 times a year I have to use my Windows 10 partition for my automotive diagnostic cable Windows 10 just makes me feel ill and violated.



actually did a lol :D
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:57 pm

W10 is one of the most stable release yet. Keep in mind, you do not OWN the copy you are using, you are LICENSED to use it. if the OS was pre-installed on ANYTHING, format and start from scratch and READ ALL of the prompts during installation, then YOU can decide how the PC phones home...do not accept the defaults. You can also tweak the user/computer policies as well for how it behave in public. I do Photoshop and Lightroom editing and have not had any issues...
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:24 pm

A VG idea when you get a new computer is to make image backup disks before you use the computer. This will give you a fresh start if something goes wrong with your Window 10 installation and you have to reinstall Windows.

Also, Many new computers have a hidden recovery partition with the as delivered disk image on it which you can make back up disks from. When a fake tech support hacker FUBARed my wifes Windows 10 machine, I was able to reinstall Windows from disks I made from that recovery partition.
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:02 am

bhill wrote:
W10 is one of the most stable release yet. Keep in mind, you do not OWN the copy you are using, you are LICENSED to use it.


That depends in the jurisdiction you are in. Here the EULA is irrelevant and I do in fact own my copy of Windows 10. That is why Microsoft can't block sales of used licenses despite trying again and again...

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:23 am

tommy1808 wrote:
bhill wrote:
W10 is one of the most stable release yet. Keep in mind, you do not OWN the copy you are using, you are LICENSED to use it.


That depends in the jurisdiction you are in. Here the EULA is irrelevant and I do in fact own my copy of Windows 10. That is why Microsoft can't block sales of used licenses despite trying again and again...

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Thomas

And they are allowed to serialize it yes? Ensure only one running copy of it?

One of the things I appreciate about Windows is the flexibility it allows. On win10 I can have my browser block scripts, block ads, etc. On my android phone that is far harder and basically impossible on the iPad.

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:55 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
bhill wrote:
W10 is one of the most stable release yet. Keep in mind, you do not OWN the copy you are using, you are LICENSED to use it.


That depends in the jurisdiction you are in. Here the EULA is irrelevant and I do in fact own my copy of Windows 10. That is why Microsoft can't block sales of used licenses despite trying again and again...

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Thomas

Still you do not own your copy of Windows. The license gives you the right to use a product that is owned by Microsoft. Read your EULA again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_ ... _agreement
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:07 pm

stratclub wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
bhill wrote:
W10 is one of the most stable release yet. Keep in mind, you do not OWN the copy you are using, you are LICENSED to use it.


That depends in the jurisdiction you are in. Here the EULA is irrelevant and I do in fact own my copy of Windows 10. That is why Microsoft can't block sales of used licenses despite trying again and again...

Best regards
Thomas

Still you do not own your copy of Windows. The license gives you the right to use a product that is owned by Microsoft. Read your EULA again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_ ... _agreement


The EULA has no legal relevance here with private buyers.

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:28 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
stratclub wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

That depends in the jurisdiction you are in. Here the EULA is irrelevant and I do in fact own my copy of Windows 10. That is why Microsoft can't block sales of used licenses despite trying again and again...

Best regards
Thomas

Still you do not own your copy of Windows. The license gives you the right to use a product that is owned by Microsoft. Read your EULA again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_ ... _agreement


The EULA has no legal relevance here with private buyers.

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Thomas

While mostly true, the EULA does serve as notice by the creator of basic rights and obligations, for both the user and creator.

One example of an obligation on the owners part is to not allow software they own to be used or copied improperly or beyond the scope of the license agreement. In other words, you can't sell or obtain a copy that is in use by another party, they need to relinquish use of their instance (if/as per the terms of the license - which is spelled out in the EULA).

A good summation is found here:
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/95 ... ropaganda/
From the above site:
Both of the following phrases are simultaneously true: This software (IP) is licensed, not sold; This software (instance / license) is sold, not licensed or leased.


Also the EU is in the process of granting strong rights to content creators, this is currently being discussed as "the end of memes" etc. because it allows the owner of the image used in memes to stop their use and obligates ISP's and content carriers (like Facebook etc.) to stop their use if so found. And "content creator" will also apply to companies that publish software.

A good reading on the basics of this can be found here:
https://www.gtlaw-amsterdamlawblog.com/ ... d-results/

So while you are right that the EULA does not apply as a legally binding contract, there are legal obligations on the purchaser of software.

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:02 pm

I could be splitting hair a little bit perhaps but I do agree that what you own is the right to use the copyrighted software (license), not the software it's self.

A very different schema than the CopyLeft EULA that open source software such as Linux uses.
"In the GNU project, our aim is to give all users the freedom to redistribute and change GNU software. If middlemen could strip off the freedom, our code might “have many users,” but it would not give them freedom. So instead of putting GNU software in the public domain, we “copyleft” it. Copyleft says that anyone who redistributes the software, with or without changes, must pass along the freedom to further copy and change it. Copyleft guarantees that every user has freedom".
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/copyleft.en.html
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:12 am

Tugger wrote:
So while you are right that the EULA does not apply as a legally binding contract, there are legal obligations on the purchaser of software.


In deed, but those are independent of any EULA, which makes it irrelevant still.
Creators rights have always been stronger here, that is for example why directors cuts of European movies are so rare, as every movie is already a director's cut when it comes out.

stratclub wrote:
I could be splitting hair a little bit perhaps but I do agree that what you own is the right to use the copyrighted software (license), not the software it's self.


That is the argument Microsoft tried to make many times in court, always failing. They for example dont like it at all if I buy a computer with windows pre-installed, delete windows, remove the sticker, and sell that windows license. Nothing they can do about it.
GNU licensed Software is different, because I don't buy it, but any software I buy before making a contract with the software company is my property with only copyright/trademark related limitations.

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:59 pm

Proves my point. What Microsoft doesn't want you to sell is the right to use the software, not the software it'self. When I accidentally deleted my Windows 10 partition, I was able to download a copy of Windows 10 for free from MS without even showing I had a license for it or even registering with MS.

Apparently, the license is hidden somewhere in the BIOS on the newer machines that come with Windows 10 pre-installed because I completely wiped everything off of the hard drive before I installed my free copy of Windows 10.

Open source software by the virtue of the CopyLeft EULA makes it free to download, use, modify or distribute just as long as you don't try to make source code changes that make it proprietary to you if you redistribute it. Basically, you own it because everyone in the Linux community owns it. CopyLeft is actually better for the computing community than public domain software and 1000 times better than MS's or anyone else's proprietary software.
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:53 am

I have had the newest Windows 10 v1903 for about a month now and there is one thing I really hate about it. They changed the download folder sorting

Here is the description.
Windows 10’s Downloads folder will be sorted by “most recent” by default, which puts your most recently downloaded folders on top. This has always been an option, but it wasn’t the default. If you’ve chosen a default sorting method, your existing setting won’t be changed.

I hate this because now I can not change it to the way I like it anymore. I like it to be sorted alphabetically and when I change it to alphabetically it goes back to most recent next time I look.
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:27 am

Get used to it. MS has decided what is best for your computer. And certainly your way of interfacing with it is something you should not have any control over for your own good. I can just imagine how horrible Windows 11 will be.
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:12 am

stratclub wrote:
Proves my point. What Microsoft doesn't want you to sell is the right to use the software, not the software it'self. When I accidentally deleted my Windows 10 partition, I was able to download a copy of Windows 10 for free from MS without even showing I had a license for it or even registering with MS.

Apparently, the license is hidden somewhere in the BIOS on the newer machines that come with Windows 10 pre-installed because I completely wiped everything off of the hard drive before I installed my free copy of Windows 10.


They just fingerprint your system, plenty of serial numbers to go around on a computer. OEM systems with Windows 10 pre-installed may or may not have the Key in the BIOS. But that is mostly since plenty of OEM licences don´t have an individual keys.... the OEM can however have the contract saying "only for that one system". If not made clear in that systems advertisement the OEM may have a liability further down the road.

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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:27 am

I’ve been using Windows 10 practically since its launch in 2015 on my custom built home PC with no issues at all, it’s by far the single most stable version of Windows I’ve ever used in the last 4 years I can count on 1 hand the number of times it’s had an error of any kind
 
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Re: What do you think about Windows 10

Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:33 pm

mwhcvt wrote:
I’ve been using Windows 10 practically since its launch in 2015 on my custom built home PC with no issues at all, it’s by far the single most stable version of Windows I’ve ever used in the last 4 years I can count on 1 hand the number of times it’s had an error of any kind


It is even more stable than it seems as a "shut down" under Windows 10 doesn't really shut down the system at all, only "restart" does.

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