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James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:37 am

You might not want to read on if you haven't seen today's (Monday June 3rd) Jeopardy! episode.



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See, Holzhauer went into today's Jeopardy! show poised to beat Ken Jennings $2.5 million consecutive-game-winning streak.

(spoilers below)


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See, not only did James not do this, he lost today's game.

And he lost it in an unusual way: Went in to Final Jeopardy in second yes SECOND place, instead of his usual unbeatable first yes FIRST place standing at the end of Double Jeopardy. He also bet $1,399, which was far less than 10% of his hand, and he his famous for bidding and wagering aggressively.

What happened? Did he throw the match? If he had plans to do that why wait until the day when viewership is likely bumped up a little bit due to the record being poised to fall?

I think there will be some investigating.


The new Jeopardy! champion is a girl.

I think that alone is reason to investigate. :duck:
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:58 am

Why isn't he betting his whole bankroll when he knows the answer? He is behind and has to double up to win knowing she is just as smart as he and you have to assume she is getting it right.

Very weird.
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:15 am

With his final Jeopardy bet it looked like to me that he didn't want to continue playing.
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:39 am

There is usually a clue in the number of his wager. He often uses birth dates, for example.

Also, the new champion is a woman, not a girl.
 
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:36 pm

dragon-wings wrote:
With his final Jeopardy bet it looked like to me that he didn't want to continue playing.

He made his point and was ready to move on. Early on it was evident he had no intention of breaking the Jennings record. He simply wanted to be known as the player who could have easily done it but was gracious (and smart) enough to choose not to do so. I say that because his style of play was exciting at first but with time would have ruined the game.
 
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:44 pm

He is a pretty fascinating guy. If you are interested in his background and unique approach to Jeopardy, this short podcast is well worth a listen.
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/10/72219818 ... e-jeopardy
 
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:00 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Why isn't he betting his whole bankroll when he knows the answer? He is behind and has to double up to win knowing she is just as smart as he and you have to assume she is getting it right.

Very weird.

Actually it was a well reasoned and smart bet, there was an article where he explained it:
Holzhauer also took viewers inside the logic of his fateful final wager in an interview about the loss on Monday.

The professional gambler, 34, entered Final Jeopardy in second place with $23,400, trailing leader Emma Boettcher’s $26,600 by $3,200.

“I knew I could only win if Emma missed Final Jeopardy, as there was no way she wouldn’t be able to cover my all-in bet,” Holzhauer told The Action Network on Monday.

The Las Vegas resident explained that his first concern was not Boettcher, but third-place contestant Jay Sexton, who, if he successfully doubled his $11,000, would have been locked out with $1 less than if Holzhauer missed on his $1,399 wager.

“So my only concern was getting overtaken by third place, and I bet just enough to make sure of locking him out,” Holzhauer told The Action Network.

The only problem was that Boettcher too wagered well, pushing in $20,201 — or enough to top Holzhauer if he successfully doubled down.

“Betting big would have looked good for the cameras, but [by doing so] now I turn my straight bet — Emma misses — into a parlay: Emma misses and I get it right,” said Holzhauer.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/03/james-hol ... own-words/

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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:32 pm

Tugger wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Why isn't he betting his whole bankroll when he knows the answer? He is behind and has to double up to win knowing she is just as smart as he and you have to assume she is getting it right.

Very weird.

Actually it was a well reasoned and smart bet, there was an article where he explained it:
Holzhauer also took viewers inside the logic of his fateful final wager in an interview about the loss on Monday.

The professional gambler, 34, entered Final Jeopardy in second place with $23,400, trailing leader Emma Boettcher’s $26,600 by $3,200.

“I knew I could only win if Emma missed Final Jeopardy, as there was no way she wouldn’t be able to cover my all-in bet,” Holzhauer told The Action Network on Monday.

The Las Vegas resident explained that his first concern was not Boettcher, but third-place contestant Jay Sexton, who, if he successfully doubled his $11,000, would have been locked out with $1 less than if Holzhauer missed on his $1,399 wager.

“So my only concern was getting overtaken by third place, and I bet just enough to make sure of locking him out,” Holzhauer told The Action Network.

The only problem was that Boettcher too wagered well, pushing in $20,201 — or enough to top Holzhauer if he successfully doubled down.

“Betting big would have looked good for the cameras, but [by doing so] now I turn my straight bet — Emma misses — into a parlay: Emma misses and I get it right,” said Holzhauer.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/03/james-hol ... own-words/

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Most well-seasoned jeopardy fans will recognize exactly what he was doing. The fair weather fans who got caught up in the excitement of his run probably think it was a poor wager.
 
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:53 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Why isn't he betting his whole bankroll when he knows the answer? He is behind and has to double up to win knowing she is just as smart as he and you have to assume she is getting it right.

Very weird.

You wager prior to getting the question (well answer really then you have to provide the question) all you have when you wager is the topic of the final prompt (World Geography for example).
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:25 pm

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Also, the new champion is a woman, not a girl.

:checkmark: :checkmark: And a very smart one at that. She really gave him a run for his money!! Good on her!
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:42 am

Tugger wrote:
Actually it was a well reasoned and smart bet, there was an article where he explained it:
Holzhauer also took viewers inside the logic of his fateful final wager in an interview about the loss on Monday.

The professional gambler, 34, entered Final Jeopardy in second place with $23,400, trailing leader Emma Boettcher’s $26,600 by $3,200.

“I knew I could only win if Emma missed Final Jeopardy, as there was no way she wouldn’t be able to cover my all-in bet,” Holzhauer told The Action Network on Monday.

The Las Vegas resident explained that his first concern was not Boettcher, but third-place contestant Jay Sexton, who, if he successfully doubled his $11,000, would have been locked out with $1 less than if Holzhauer missed on his $1,399 wager.

“So my only concern was getting overtaken by third place, and I bet just enough to make sure of locking him out,” Holzhauer told The Action Network.

The only problem was that Boettcher too wagered well, pushing in $20,201 — or enough to top Holzhauer if he successfully doubled down.

“Betting big would have looked good for the cameras, but [by doing so] now I turn my straight bet — Emma misses — into a parlay: Emma misses and I get it right,” said Holzhauer.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/03/james-hol ... own-words/

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Still makes no sense. You are the second biggest winner in history you care about coming in third? BS, you play to win and your only chance is to let it ride and hope she didn't bet her whole bankroll. He blew it on purpose I mean it sure seems like he did.
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:54 am

NIKV69 wrote:

Still makes no sense. You are the second biggest winner in history you care about coming in third? BS, you play to win and your only chance is to let it ride and hope she didn't bet her whole bankroll. He blew it on purpose I mean it sure seems like he did.


Regardless of his FJ strategy, I think it was telling in the early rounds where James just sat there like a bump on a log, not answering the questions. He's too smart for that. I really think deep down he'd had enough and wanted to bow out, letting Jennings keep his records. Then again maybe Emma figured out a way to beat James to the clicker. We'll never know. Look forward to James in the Tournament of Champions.
 
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:22 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Still makes no sense. You are the second biggest winner in history you care about coming in third? BS, you play to win and your only chance is to let it ride and hope she didn't bet her whole bankroll. He blew it on purpose I mean it sure seems like he did.


No....I don't think you get it.

Given: Emma will bet enough to cover James's all-in. That's pretty much a no-brainer.
Given: Jay bets all-in. Not quite as much a no-brainer, but quite probable.

Situation 1: James goes all-in.
All 3 contestants get it right: Emma wins.
Emma and James get it right: Emma wins.
James and Jay get it right: James wins.
Jay gets it right: Jay wins.

Situation 2: James bets 1,399.
All 3 contestants get it right: Emma wins.
Emma and James get it right: Emma wins.
James and Jay get it right: James wins.
Jay gets it right: James wins.

So with those givens, James going all-in just gives him another way to lose (where losing = not coming in first).
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Re: James Holzhauer, Jeopardy champion (spoilers inside)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:33 pm

vikkyvik wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Still makes no sense. You are the second biggest winner in history you care about coming in third? BS, you play to win and your only chance is to let it ride and hope she didn't bet her whole bankroll. He blew it on purpose I mean it sure seems like he did.


No....I don't think you get it.

Given: Emma will bet enough to cover James's all-in. That's pretty much a no-brainer.
Given: Jay bets all-in. Not quite as much a no-brainer, but quite probable.

Situation 1: James goes all-in.
All 3 contestants get it right: Emma wins.
Emma and James get it right: Emma wins.
James and Jay get it right: James wins.
Jay gets it right: Jay wins.

Situation 2: James bets 1,399.
All 3 contestants get it right: Emma wins.
Emma and James get it right: Emma wins.
James and Jay get it right: James wins.
Jay gets it right: James wins.

So with those givens, James going all-in just gives him another way to lose (where losing = not coming in first).

Yup. He's a gambler and played the odds just as he should. Professional gamblers cannot play to "passion" or they will lose (just as most tourist gamblers do and casinos depend on) and won't make it.

I will say that I too got the feeling that he'd had his fun and was ready to cash out. But of course there is another good rule for any gambler:
"You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away..."
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