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Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:13 pm

"Almost every nation on Earth has fallen under the yoke of tyranny—the metric system," Carlson said. "From Beijing to Buenos Aires, from Lusaka to London, the people of the world have been forced to measure their environment in millimeters and kilograms. "The United States is the only major country that has resisted"

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:31 am

Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:00 am

Tugger wrote:
Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

Tugg

But, it is superior to the imperial system. :D
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:02 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
"Almost every nation on Earth has fallen under the yoke of tyranny—the metric system," Carlson said. "From Beijing to Buenos Aires, from Lusaka to London, the people of the world have been forced to measure their environment in millimeters and kilograms. "The United States is the only major country that has resisted"

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The yoke of tyranny? What the hell is he talking about.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:08 am

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The yoke of tyranny? What the hell is he talking about.

Nobody really knows...
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:10 am

Tugger wrote:
Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

Tugg


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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:15 am

cledaybuck wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

Tugg

But, it is superior to the imperial system. :D

Yeah that's the claim. But it's not. It's not any better or more accurate or anything. It is just another system. I mean what would people say if aliens landed on earth and they used a base 16 numbering system? And based weights on helium atoms?

As long as there is a reference any system can be converted to another and none is in truth superior. They can all accurately measure communicate that to others.

Is the claim of superiority that is annoying.

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:34 am

Tugger wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

Tugg

But, it is superior to the imperial system. :D

Yeah that's the claim. But it's not. It's not any better or more accurate or anything. It is just another system. I mean what would people say if aliens landed on earth and they used a base 16 numbering system? And based weights on helium atoms?

As long as there is a reference any system can be converted to another and none is in truth superior. They can all accurately measure communicate that to others.

Is the claim of superiority that is annoying.

Tugg
No, it isn’t any more accurate. But it is a lot simpler and makes a lot more sense. Even I can see that despite being an American which means I have little reference for the numbers it represents.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:44 am

Tugger wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

Tugg

But, it is superior to the imperial system. :D

Yeah that's the claim. But it's not. It's not any better or more accurate or anything. It is just another system. I mean what would people say if aliens landed on earth and they used a base 16 numbering system? And based weights on helium atoms?

As long as there is a reference any system can be converted to another and none is in truth superior. They can all accurately measure communicate that to others.

Is the claim of superiority that is annoying.

Tugg


It's the ability to reference known weights and measurements.

The imperial system sucks

How many teaspoons in a Gallon. How many inches in a mile. Horsepower.

Liters , kilograms, newtons. are much easier to work with.


Sure i understand a mile, but kilometers are much easier to compute.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:46 am

There’s a simple test that proves the metric system is smarter, better and superior to the imperial system. I bet 99% of adult Spaniards could tell you in less than 2 seconds how many cl’s are in a liter of milk and 90% of adult Americans couldn’t tell you how many fluid ounces are in a quart of milk without Googling it. Which system is better?
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:52 am

If god didn't want us to count to 12 he wouldn't have given us ten fingers and two thumbs.

No wait.

Well, we could always use two of our toes.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:21 am

I've said it before; I'll say it again:

There are two kinds of countries: Those that use the metric system and those that have landed men on the moon.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:33 am

Tugger wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

Tugg

But, it is superior to the imperial system. :D

Yeah that's the claim. But it's not. It's not any better or more accurate or anything. It is just another system. I mean what would people say if aliens landed on earth and they used a base 16 numbering system? And based weights on helium atoms?

As long as there is a reference any system can be converted to another and none is in truth superior. They can all accurately measure communicate that to others.

Is the claim of superiority that is annoying.

Tugg

Metric is easier to use, for a variety of reasons.

1. Calculations are easier. There are no fractions in metric, compared to imperial. Ever try to figure out 5/8 of an inch versus just saying it's 15.875mm?
2. Base 10 math. We have 10 toes and 10 fingers. Learning math as kids becomes easier because it’s always in 10's.
3. Unit conversions is easier because of base 10 math. 1km = 100m = 10,000cm vs 1 mile = 1760 yards = 5280 feet
4. Remembering the units is easier as they are all prefixes. Just remember deca = 10, centi = 100, mili = 1000, then the unit
5. It’s not only base 10's of one unit, but the metric system is such that everything takes water as the basis. Remember, 0C is the water freezing point, 100C is the boiling point at sea level. 1kg of water is equal to 1 litre of water. Now, how much more difficult to remember that in imperial?

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I've said it before; I'll say it again:

There are two kinds of countries: Those that use the metric system and those that have landed men on the moon.


Fun thing is that the Apollo guidance computers ran on metric, but displayed everything in imperial.

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:05 am

Of course people are welcome to their own opinions but anyone who thinks the Imperial system is better than metric is either ignorant or just being willfully argumentative.

The Metric system is not just different. It is far simpler and superior in every way.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:08 am

In the USA, almost all science and medical measurements are in the metric system. Oddly, most soda in stores is sold in 'metric' containers (mainly 500 ml, 1 L, 2L, but almost everything else is in 'imperial' measurements. Some manufactured goods, as imports or for export, use metric measurements, fasteners, etc.. For me I learned about the metric system in high school in the late 1960's-early 1970's, and can easily with some slight rounding, learned from travel in Europe and elsewhere understand metric measurements and understanding with imperial equivalence.
Metric actually makes a lot more sense, but the USA is just too into the imperial measurements and see a conversion to be very inconvenient and a 'commie/socialist plot' so resist the change.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:11 am

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Fun thing is that the Apollo guidance computers ran on metric, but displayed everything in imperial.

And the machine was doing those metric calculations in binary while the programmers were providing the instructions and formatting the data in octal notation. The end conversion to imperial was a piece of cake.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:20 am

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There’s a simple test that proves the metric system is smarter, better and superior to the imperial system. I bet 99% of adult Spaniards could tell you in less than 2 seconds how many cl’s are in a liter of milk and 90% of adult Americans couldn’t tell you how many fluid ounces are in a quart of milk without Googling it. Which system is better?

And that matters exactly why? How often do you encounter that?

And do know I am not arguing against the metric system or that the imperial is better. Just that each works fine and conveys the needed information accurately.

But of course people will need to equivocally Sigurd for the absolute superiority of one over three other. Why don't we argue about which language is better?

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:20 am

wingman wrote:
There’s a simple test that proves the metric system is smarter, better and superior to the imperial system. I bet 99% of adult Spaniards could tell you in less than 2 seconds how many cl’s are in a liter of milk and 90% of adult Americans couldn’t tell you how many fluid ounces are in a quart of milk without Googling it. Which system is better?

And that matters exactly why? How often do you encounter that?

And do know I am not arguing against the metric system or that the imperial is better. Just that each works fine and conveys the needed information accurately.

But of course people will need to equivocally Sigurd for the absolute superiority of one over three other. Why don't we argue about which language is better?

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:53 am

Tugger wrote:
Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

Tugg


Well, you have to admit that the imperial system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the metric system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

It goes the other way, too.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:37 am

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The yoke of tyranny? What the hell is he talking about.

Didn't you get the memo? The metric system is a communist-socialist-greeny-snowflake plot dreamed up by AOC and Stalin as they snorted lines of coke off Ho Chi Minh's embalmed body.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:02 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
The yoke of tyranny? What the hell is he talking about.

Didn't you get the memo? The metric system is a communist-socialist-greeny-snowflake plot dreamed up by AOC and Stalin as they snorted lines of coke off Ho Chi Minh's embalmed body.


Don't forget that it Castro who created the ritual!

The only time metric is annoying is when I travel into Canada with a US rental car and have to convert from imperial into metric.

Otherwise so much simpler than imperial, even though there are still some things I estmate in imperial (Australia converted for most things around 1972 - I still remember having our inch rulers taken away from us in 2nd grade)
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:28 am

BartSimpson wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

Tugg


Well, you have to admit that the imperial system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the metric system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

It goes the other way, too.

Oh yah, of course it does. I am quite content that I understand both systems.

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:05 am

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I've said it before; I'll say it again:
There are two kinds of countries: Those that use the metric system and those that have landed men on the moon.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I have to hand it to the US for sticking this one out. Aren't we all supposed to be supporting diversity anyway? We started to change to metric 50 years ago, yet still haven't got around to converting completely. People still talk about feet, yards, miles (even though road signs are in kilometeres) ounces and pints. Metric is easier for sure, but Imperial was great for learning maths.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:10 am

Tugger wrote:
Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system. (Actually is the people not the measurement system).

Tugg


Setting aside that the metric system is far more logical, it is superior just in the fact that 90% plus of the people on earth use it and it is a means to communicate to each other. That in itself has value to human kind.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:54 am

Don't be too hard on Tucker. He's on Fox News, so of course the metric system is responsible for the world outside of America being so scary. They even think it's responsible for plane crashes:

Fox News host Anna Kooiman speculated on Sunday that an AirAsia flight could have gone missing because international pilots were trained using the metric system.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3LOVt0C4xs

And can anyone tell me why Tucker Carlson has that dumbfounded, mouth half open look on his face permanently as if he's totally stumped while being explained the most simplest things?
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:54 pm

And of course let's all just forget that the reason many countries converted to metric in the first place was because it seemed the US was going to during the 60s and 70s only to reneg... So tyranny of yourself you Fox news nutter!

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:06 pm

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It is just another system. I mean what would people say if aliens landed on earth and they used a base 16 numbering system? And based weights on helium atoms?

As long as there is a reference any system can be converted to another and none is in truth superior. They can all accurately measure communicate that to others.

Is the claim of superiority that is annoying.

Tugg


'Just another system' can be vastly superior system too.
This is like saying that Arabic numeral notations are not superior to Roman numerals because they are 'just another system' of writing numbers and doing math. Everyone with middle school education know how stupid Roman numerals are when having to deal with mathematical operations.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:59 pm

OK everyone, here is the definition of a kilogram:
The kilogram, symbol kg, is the SI unit of mass. It is defined by taking the fixed numerical value of the Planck constant h to be 6.626 070 15 × 10-34 when expressed in the unit J s, which is equal to kg m2 s -1 , where the meter and the second are defined in terms of c and ∆νCs.

Easy right? And that kilogram is derived from the gram which is easy... right? It is the mass/weight of one cubic centimeter of water, right? Wrong. It is APPROXIMATELY the mass of 1 cubic centimeter of water held at 4°C. But it is not exactly that.

What is important is that THAT definition is known and can be translated, CONVERTED to something "human" that we understand: "This metal brick is 1KG"

After that you can take it anywhere. Yes, the key item in all of this being able to KNOW what the measurement actually means. Whether it be 1 foot, 1 gram, 1 mile, whatever.

yes I get the argument "its easier to know everything is 100's based" etc. but we don't apply that rule to everything. Itis not that important. Why are there 24 hours? If the "ease of 100 (or 10's) is so vital, why not have a 100 (or 10) "hour" day? Why have the calendar system we use? Time is AS VITAL a measurement in life and physics as anything else (some might argue it is in fact the most important measurement). What is important is to have a standard and agree on that and everything can be translated and fully understood. Having one accepted system is great but we don't do that fe language and the are plenty of problems that occur because of that. More than occur with measurements.

So pontificate all you want. You can argue that IN GENERAL it is easier to learn (true), and that it is consistent (mostly) across the various types of measurement, but it is NOT "more accurate". Both are equally accurate and can be used equally if you understand the measurement and there is a standard. And to reply to one f the question above regarding accuracy, please show me in decimal, EXACTLY 1/3 in full.... I'll wait.. because we'll all have to wait while you extend that decimal out to infinity. The fact is "1/3" is perfectly useful and communicates exactly what the measurement is. In full.

So please know, I love the metric system. Learned it well in Germany, I have no problems with it. It's awesome. But me using a a pint, pound, foot, hp, etc. also work and I do understand them. And to me (and I'm fine if it is me alone), I can "relate" to them better because they are based on weird
earthy" stuff (that over time became firm capacities with exact definitions). But they define things and their definition is know so all the important stuff is understood.

Love the metric system! But also love the Imperial (kinda more "American" nowadays since the US are the only ones that use it en mas). And I get them both.

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:39 pm

Airstud wrote:
I've said it before; I'll say it again:

There are two kinds of countries: Those that use the metric system and those that have landed men on the moon.


I've said it before; I'll say it again:

There are two kinds of countries: Those that use the metric system and those that have spent $330 millions on fireworks for martians. :)
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:19 pm

Bostrom wrote:
Airstud wrote:
I've said it before; I'll say it again:

There are two kinds of countries: Those that use the metric system and those that have landed men on the moon.


I've said it before; I'll say it again:

There are two kinds of countries: Those that use the metric system and those that have spent $330 millions on fireworks for martians. :)


Holy MaJoly!...that didn't turn out to be what thought it was!

But on the other hand, let's see what turds the Space Force craps out and how much gets fed to that Hog....

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:31 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
Don't be too hard on Tucker. He's on Fox News, so of course the metric system is responsible for the world outside of America being so scary. They even think it's responsible for plane crashes:
Fox News host Anna Kooiman speculated on Sunday that an AirAsia flight could have gone missing because international pilots were trained using the metric system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3LOVt0C4xs
And can anyone tell me why Tucker Carlson has that dumbfounded, mouth half open look on his face permanently as if he's totally stumped while being explained the most simplest things?


Probably because Tucker Carlson is totally stumped while being explained the simplest things... just sayin'

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Tucker is on Fox, the official propaganda network of the current administration. Individual number one still took the time to rant on about Democrats, Pelosi, McCain, impeachment, etc. instead of taking time to give thanks to those who gave their lives for freedom. The same man who got out of service six times for bone spurs yet plays golf every chance he gets. On our dime.


:checkmark: And remember is promise: "I'm going to be working for you," Trump said at a rally months before the 2016 election. "I'm not going to have time to go play golf."

To his credit, he does work about 3 hours a day for us: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/trump-schedule-executive-time . I guess that is better than none... although considering what he is doing, "none" would be better for the USA - and the world.

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Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:34 am

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Love the metric system! But also love the Imperial (kinda more "American" nowadays since the US are the only ones that use it en mas). And I get them both.

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Many of us "get" them both but there's really no rational argument that could place Imperial over Metric.
 
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StuckInCA wrote:
Tugger wrote:

Love the metric system! But also love the Imperial (kinda more "American" nowadays since the US are the only ones that use it en mas). And I get them both.

Tugg

Tugg


Many of us "get" them both but there's really no rational argument that could place Imperial over Metric.

And I haven't argued that it is or should be.

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Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:48 am

ltbewr wrote:
In the USA, almost all science and medical measurements are in the metric system. Oddly, most soda in stores is sold in 'metric' containers (mainly 500 ml, 1 L, 2L, but almost everything else is in 'imperial' measurements. Some manufactured goods, as imports or for export, use metric measurements, fasteners, etc.. For me I learned about the metric system in high school in the late 1960's-early 1970's, and can easily with some slight rounding, learned from travel in Europe and elsewhere understand metric measurements and understanding with imperial equivalence.
Metric actually makes a lot more sense, but the USA is just too into the imperial measurements and see a conversion to be very inconvenient and a 'commie/socialist plot' so resist the change.


Medicine is one area where the US should really switch to 100% SI units, it is an area where unit confusion can be lethal. https://www.modernhealthcare.com/articl ... ion-errors
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:38 pm

Ah this is what Tucker Carlson is doing these days.... Fighting rear-guard battles that the rest of the world has already settled and moved on from? What's next? The imperialism of the circular wheel? I guess it does get him some attention still...

As for which one is better? Doesn't really matter in every day life, some people buy their milk by the gallon, others by the liter. Beyond that, which system is used the world over, including in the US, by professions where accuracy matters the most? No one except a few professions in he US has even heard of the thou, and those who are familiar with it cannot escape the irony it is a base-10 unit...

cledaybuck wrote:
No, it isn’t any more accurate. But it is a lot simpler and makes a lot more sense. Even I can see that despite being an American which means I have little reference for the numbers it represents.

And yet when accuracy is of the utmost importance, the US reverts to the metric system...

Airstud wrote:
There are two kinds of countries: Those that use the metric system and those that have landed men on the moon.

Try selling NASA anything mission critical measured according to the Imperial system and see how good a salesman you are...
 
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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:13 pm

Let us not forget one of the most famous aircraft near-disasters 'the Gimli Glider' was due to confusion of pounds and kilos amounts of fuel put in.
 
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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:03 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Let us not forget one of the most famous aircraft near-disasters 'the Gimli Glider' was due to confusion of pounds and kilos amounts of fuel put in.

Yet again another example of people not paying attention, it's not that complex. The one things pilots etc. in the industry are paid for: Pay attention to the details!


I will also note that fuel shortage has occurred for many reasons another one is not paying to the fuel temperature.

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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:07 pm

Tugger wrote:
Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system.

I find lots of things annoying, but that is usually solved by changing channels.

However, if you must take part in this discussion, the simple fact is that the metric system is superior. I don't even get why it's up for debate.

I am not aware of any area where the imperial system has an advantage, but no doubt someone will find an obscure reference if they search long enough.
I am aware of many instances where the metric system has advantages; ergo, all other things being equal, the metric system wins.
The only debate is by how much.... :box:

I can accept an argument from you that the gains from metrication are trivial and not worth the effort of changing, but please don't persist with claiming they are absolutely the same.

Tugger wrote:
It's not any better or more accurate or anything. It is just another system.

Agreed - it's not more accurate - that's a strawman introduced by yourself - nobody else here is making that point.
However it is easier to maintain accuracy when sizing up from say kitchen to industrial quantities, and performing the calculations without resorting to a supercomputer.

For instance, if I was required to make enough custard to fill a swimming pool, the metric calculations can be worked in your head, even if the numbers are colossally stupid..
The imperial calculations require you to switch from tablespoons (custard powder) per pint (warm milk) to something else I cannot even begin to imagine....

youtube video of a man walking across custard filled pool, all in the name of science. :bigthumbsup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz9KnPZWOgs

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I mean what would people say if aliens landed on earth and they used a base 16 numbering system? And based weights on helium atoms?
I would be asking how an apparently advanced civilization, capable of inter-galactic space travel, managed to do so despite being handicapped with an incredibly stupid numbering system.
A bit like wondering how the US managed to put a man on the moon. :duck:

And do know I am not arguing against the metric system or that the imperial is better. Just that each works fine and conveys the needed information accurately.

Each works fine for you and me in normal everyday situations. Where the imperial system breaks down is in unusual situations, or where you need to convey information.

You are happy drinking a pint of beer. I am equally happy drinking a pint of beer, or 568ml, or more often 330ml. It's all beer.
In such a simple world, either system works ok.
Likewise I am happy to fill my car up with litres of gasoline. How many pints do you want in yours?

DocLightning wrote:
It's not annoying. It's just unfamiliar to you.

Bingo; we have a winner!
Nothing to see here; move along please.
 
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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:13 pm

Use whatever you are comfortable with.

We haven’t fully adopted the metric system in the UK and it works just fine.
 
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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:56 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Well, you have to admit that the metric system is annoying. Especially when people attempt to claim it is superior to the imperial system.

I find lots of things annoying, but that is usually solved by changing channels.

However, if you must take part in this discussion, the simple fact is that the metric system is superior. I don't even get why it's up for debate.

I am not aware of any area where the imperial system has an advantage, but no doubt someone will find an obscure reference if they search long enough.
I am aware of many instances where the metric system has advantages; ergo, all other things being equal, the metric system wins.
The only debate is by how much.... :box:

I can accept an argument from you that the gains from metrication are trivial and not worth the effort of changing, but please don't persist with claiming they are absolutely the same.

Tugger wrote:
It's not any better or more accurate or anything. It is just another system.

Agreed - it's not more accurate - that's a strawman introduced by yourself - nobody else here is making that point.
However it is easier to maintain accuracy when sizing up from say kitchen to industrial quantities, and performing the calculations without resorting to a supercomputer.

For instance, if I was required to make enough custard to fill a swimming pool, the metric calculations can be worked in your head, even if the numbers are colossally stupid..
The imperial calculations require you to switch from tablespoons (custard powder) per pint (warm milk) to something else I cannot even begin to imagine....

youtube video of a man walking across custard filled pool, all in the name of science. :bigthumbsup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz9KnPZWOgs

Tugger wrote:
I mean what would people say if aliens landed on earth and they used a base 16 numbering system? And based weights on helium atoms?
I would be asking how an apparently advanced civilization, capable of inter-galactic space travel, managed to do so despite being handicapped with an incredibly stupid numbering system.
A bit like wondering how the US managed to put a man on the moon. :duck:

And do know I am not arguing against the metric system or that the imperial is better. Just that each works fine and conveys the needed information accurately.

Each works fine for you and me in normal everyday situations. Where the imperial system breaks down is in unusual situations, or where you need to convey information.

You are happy drinking a pint of beer. I am equally happy drinking a pint of beer, or 568ml, or more often 330ml. It's all beer.
In such a simple world, either system works ok.
Likewise I am happy to fill my car up with litres of gasoline. How many pints do you want in yours?

DocLightning wrote:
It's not annoying. It's just unfamiliar to you.

Bingo; we have a winner!

A lot to unpack. But when talking daily use, 10km to get somewhere vs 6 miles, "I'll have a pint" vs "I'll have a drink" or a recipe that requires 2 tlsp vs 30ml, they are both just as easy to use and convert the exact same information. And people knowing both can live very normal lives with no problem. You will not lead a superior life knowing only metric (nor will you live a superior life know imperial).

Conversion within the system is easier with metric but for centuries people have also been doing it in imperial. Conversion just take the knowledge of what that conversion it. Metric is more straightforward for sure. But I'll ask you this" How oiften do you do conversrion on a daily basis? I really cannot think of anytime that I really regularly do that.

Regarding you comment about an alien civilization using a "stupid" numbering system? You are falling prey to the same thing you think I am suffering: "because you are only familiar with base ten you think it is superior" (in my case you are thinking, I suspect, "because you are only familiar with imperial you are arguing it is equal"). Any base numbering system works perfectly well vs any other base numbering system. Base 10 is no more superior to a base 12 or 16 or 56 numbering system. Look it up. And if you think basing something on helium atoms is weird look up what 1 mole is. And remember that SI just changed the value for the basis of a kilogram to one based on the Planck constant.

And regarding being familiar? You actually don't have a winner....
Growing up in Germany I am FULLY versed and comfortable in metric. Later finishing school and living in the US, I am also FULLY comfortable with imperial. And yes, it REALLY came to annoy me having friends and relatives saying how much more superior metric was. Living here, I'm good with imperial. I think the real problem they have is that they don't understand it and aren't willing to (and of course they don't have to, just stop claiming I have to stop liking imperial)

Honestly I have never had a problem with it and enjoy it. I do love the idea of a horse running and equating it - yes inexactly but humans in daily life are inexact (I also like analog clocks vs digital for this same reason) - to 1hp. And I do like walking one foot after another to measure how many feet something is and the idea that my thumb end is an inch (about) is so easy! And on the freeway and filling up with gas.... it doesn't matter that someone uses metric or imperial.

So to sum up my point: the only important thing about measurements is that they convey something appropriately AND that the measurement value is known and established. With that anything can be converted to anything else (E=MC2 applies here as well). This applies to everything, from medicine to space travel to construction, etc. You had better understand your measurements and what you are converting and know EXACTLY how outside factors affect this. The measurement is the easy part, the hard part is the exact conversion. (Try calculating how much concrete you need and how much you can pour and how much water you need in it and what the temperature is and drying time etc. Trust me, if you are building something of scale and consequence you will you need to be exact and careful and calculate in detail - usually using a conversation tool on your computer (which by the way is hexadecimal based) to get you final numbers. And if you are not then pouring a cubic yard is not anymore difficult than pouring a cubic meter.

Metric is great, it works. Imperial works to. And we all know the rule: Measure twice, do once. It applies to all measurements.

Peace! :wave:
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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:58 pm

noviorbis77 wrote:
Use whatever you are comfortable with.

Exactly. :bigthumbsup:

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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:36 pm

If you are uncomfortable with the fact that the system metric is far superior, let's agree and just say the imperial system is vastly inferior as the same thing can have several values depending of the context.
 
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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:49 pm

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If you are uncomfortable with the fact that the system metric is far superior, let's agree and just say the imperial system is vastly inferior as the same thing can have several values depending of the context.

You still don't understand do you?

And airplanes tanks hold 300.000 liters of fuel, please tell me exactly how many kilograms of fuel can it hold? (No assumptions allowed.)

Yes, exactly "the same thing can have several values depending of the context". Even within the same system conversion requires care and full data. You simply have to understand the conversion. And most people don't or aren't willing to or the calculation is important and you will use a conversion tool to get your answer. For that I can think and convert in imperial as well as metric.

In everyday use, both can be used simply and effectively.

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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:51 pm

Yes, how many values a mile can have? One Km is always one km.
 
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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:57 pm

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Yes, how many values a mile can have? One Km is always one km.

Really? Yup it has, 1000 meters is equal to 1km! Except that the meter has changed in value over time....
Historical Definitions of the Meter


The definition of the meter has changed over the years since the metric system was first introduced in 1793.

The actual length of the meter has not changed.

New definitions have been introduced to make it easier to measure the meter's length more precisely.

Currently the meter has a relative uncertainty of plus or minus 2.5 × 10-11.

Here is a historical summary:

Year Definition
1793 1/10,000,000 of the distance from north pole to equator.
1795 Provisional meter bar constructed from brass.
1799 Prototype meter bars constructed from platinum.
1889 International prototype meter bar constructed from platinum-iridium.
It was an X-shaped cross section bar.
1906 1,000,000/0.64384696 wavelengths of the red line of the cadmium spectrum.
1960 1,650,763.73 wavelengths of radiation emitted during the transition
between levels 2p10 and 5d5 of the krypton-86 atom.
1983 Length traveled by light in a vacuum during 1/299,792,458 of a second.

http://condor.depaul.edu/sjost/it223/do ... r-defs.htm

As for the modern day, the mile is a fixed measurement:
The mile is an English unit of length of linear measure equal to 5,280 feet, or 1,760 yards, and standardized as exactly 1,609.344 metres by international agreement in 1959.


As I said, for everyday use either can be used effectively.

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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:36 pm

Yes, and I wish the Europeans would get on board with metric measurements too. There is no need for confusion when I say my shoe size is 31cm.
 
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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:59 pm

Olddog wrote:
If you are uncomfortable with the fact that the system metric is far superior, let's agree and just say the imperial system is vastly inferior as the same thing can have several values depending of the context.


People like both.

Saying one is more superior to another is just subjective nonsense.
 
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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:19 am

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"Almost every nation on Earth has fallen under the yoke of tyranny—the metric system," Carlson said. "From Beijing to Buenos Aires, from Lusaka to London, the people of the world have been forced to measure their environment in millimeters and kilograms. "The United States is the only major country that has resisted"

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-tucker-car ... em-1442485


Has anyone considered that he's just trying to troll people?
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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:00 am

LMP737 wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
"Almost every nation on Earth has fallen under the yoke of tyranny—the metric system," Carlson said. "From Beijing to Buenos Aires, from Lusaka to London, the people of the world have been forced to measure their environment in millimeters and kilograms. "The United States is the only major country that has resisted"

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-tucker-car ... em-1442485


Has anyone considered that he's just trying to troll people?


That was my first thought exactly, but who am I to suggest that people have a chuckle over an obvious joke* when they'd much rather go off on long, hate-filled rants full of vitriol and mock righteous indignation?

*That is exactly the sort of joke that appeals to my sense of humor- Saying something utterly ridiculous in a completely serious manner just to see who catches on that you're being absurd for a laugh. Unfortunately nowadays so many people take anything and everything, no matter how far-fetched or utterly loony on it's face it might be, as the gospel according to whoever said it without ever stopping to think "Wait, is he just yankin' my chain to see if I'm really paying attention?".
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Re: Tucker Carlson Bogeyman du Jour: the Metric System

Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:46 am

Tugger wrote:
Olddog wrote:
Yes, how many values a mile can have? One Km is always one km.

Really? Yup it has, 1000 meters is equal to 1km! Except that the meter has changed in value over time....
Historical Definitions of the Meter


The definition of the meter has changed over the years since the metric system was first introduced in 1793.

The actual length of the meter has not changed.

New definitions have been introduced to make it easier to measure the meter's length more precisely.

Currently the meter has a relative uncertainty of plus or minus 2.5 × 10-11.

Here is a historical summary:

Year Definition
1793 1/10,000,000 of the distance from north pole to equator.
1795 Provisional meter bar constructed from brass.
1799 Prototype meter bars constructed from platinum.
1889 International prototype meter bar constructed from platinum-iridium.
It was an X-shaped cross section bar.
1906 1,000,000/0.64384696 wavelengths of the red line of the cadmium spectrum.
1960 1,650,763.73 wavelengths of radiation emitted during the transition
between levels 2p10 and 5d5 of the krypton-86 atom.
1983 Length traveled by light in a vacuum during 1/299,792,458 of a second.

http://condor.depaul.edu/sjost/it223/do ... r-defs.htm

As for the modern day, the mile is a fixed measurement:
The mile is an English unit of length of linear measure equal to 5,280 feet, or 1,760 yards, and standardized as exactly 1,609.344 metres by international agreement in 1959.


As I said, for everyday use either can be used effectively.

Tugg


I guess that you can understand that only the definition changed, as science evolved, but not the value never changed.
The fact that the value of the different miles are done in meter tells you all you need to know about the better one :)

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