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Condor resumes FRA-MSY with all-LGBT crewed Pride flight

Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:37 am

DE is a marquee sponsor of NOLA Pride, and as a result, resumed its seasonal MSY service with an all-LGBT crew Pride flight featuring its own pride-parade/party, live entertainment, rainbow lighting, etc.

The outbound MSY-FRA flight departs with a 99.2% load factor tonight.
The flight is operated by DE's high-premium configuration, featuring 30 business seats aboard the 763ER, instead of the more common 18.

A local on the inbound from Europe, snapped a quick pic on the "New Orleans Spotters" Fbook page:

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:02 am

Being gay and into aviation i just love this!

Wondering if this is being picked up in the media with a positive vibe? Especially for an airline the size of DE i think it’s great they’re focusing on the LGBTIQ community. Does anyone know about other airlines having a serious marketing strategy towards the LGTBIQ community?

Let’s celebrate all kinds of love, on the ground, above and beyond :)
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:22 am

Very cool, here in the US I know the US3 celebrate the month of June with marketing materials, pride event participations, etc: i have never heard of any official all LGBTQ, crewed flights. That being said, I know of many instances with all LGBTQ cabin crewe working flights at my airline, however, it was not a particular event or occasion.- that I know of.

We did have a spotlight on the retirement of one of our first Transgender pilots, a 787 captain.


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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:22 am

Very cool! AS does a lot of marketing to the LGBTQ+ community and sponsors Pride events throught the US west coast...even offering discount travel to these events.

https://www.alaskaair.com/content/gay-t ... NT=sitemap
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:37 am

Thats pretty cool! And thats coming from a straight guy! Good on Condor!

I know a one time 99% load factor is not indicative of how well a route is doing but I'm happy to see MSY getting some good international love.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:55 am

This is very cool and excellent for pride month.

Now time for the trolls to come and bash this...
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:32 am

777klm wrote:
Wondering if this is being picked up in the media with a positive vibe?

Several local media have covered it, all neutrally or positively.
Granted, the comments sections have devolved into exactly what you probably suspect them to look like; but overall the vibe is upbeat.

Despite being in the heart of the blood-red Deep South: New Orleans is home to the fourth largest out/open LGBT community in the USA for a city of over 100,000. Its annual Southern Decadence festival is one of the largest LGBT event gatherings in the world (avg attendance is 300,000/day over Labor Day weekend, placing it among the top 20 such events worldwide)

....so yeah, this sorta thing really isn't all that unusual for it. ;)



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I know a one time 99% load factor is not indicative of how well a route is doing but I'm happy to see MSY getting some good international love.

This if the first year where DE has decided to dedicate the 30J high-premium configuration to MSY, whereas previous seats were flown with the 18J config..... so apparently, they not only love the loads, but love the yield they're getting from MSY as well. :smile:
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:44 am

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Does anyone know about other airlines having a serious marketing strategy towards the LGTBIQ community?

Let’s celebrate all kinds of love, on the ground, above and beyond :)


Air France will operate 2 "pride flights" between CDG and SFO on june 28th and june 30th. Those will be crewed with LGBT crews and will feature auctions on board will all the proceeds going to Le Refuge, a charity which accommodates and offers social, medical, and psychological assistance to young adults from 18 to 25 years old who have been victims of homophobia and transphobia.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:53 am

People like this are exactly why we have Pride. Did you all see the part where he said that queer existence in public is immoral? This is the kind of shit we have to put up with, every time we decide to step outside of our house.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:00 am

So my post about events at SFO gets deleted yet TheKennady2 [sic] still gets a forum to say that some are undergoing an "...identity crisis", etc.?

Sorry, but this is why this board has less and less industry vets (20 years here in aviation) actually wanting to give informed responses.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:03 am

If an airline, not EL AL, did an all Jewish theme, I’d be embarrassed. I suppose if there was a gay country and this was their national carrier, this would be fine.

Think, every identity can have their own airline. Lots of Islamic Airlines already, so that is covered. I think Thailand has a transgender airline. Then the rest can have an airline and pander to the most extreme stereo types. Aer Lingus would have drunk staff. Aero Mexico would be lazy ( not sure where that one comes from cuz it isn’t true). Imagine what DC Air would have been like had that gone through back in 2000. The non-EL AL Jewish airline could be based at JFK and be run my neurotic Woody Allen types who overcharge passengers.

I’d appreciate any other inputs from posters. Native American Airlines based in Rapid City. You get the idea.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:05 am

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If an airline, not EL AL, did an all Jewish theme, I’d be embarrassed. I suppose if there was a gay country and this was their national carrier, this would be fine.

Think, every identity can have their own airline. Lots of Islamic Airlines already, so that is covered. I think Thailand has a transgender airline. Then the rest can have an airline and pander to the most extreme stereo types. Aer Lingus would have drunk staff. Aero Mexico would be lazy ( not sure where that one comes from cuz it isn’t true). Imagine what DC Air would have been like had that gone through back in 2000. The non-EL AL Jewish airline could be based at JFK and be run my neurotic Woody Allen types who overcharge passengers.

I’d appreciate any other inputs from posters. Native American Airlines based in Rapid City. You get the idea.


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Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:16 am

In a perfect world, the crew would be a mix of LGBT and non-LGBT people, and no one would care about it because it doesn't matter.

The "LGBT-only" nature of the crew doesn't show a good inclusivity. But hey, it's part of the marketing strategy.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:24 am

The reason we have pride is because LGBT+ people continue to be discriminated against across the globe. For example there has recently been a massacre of gay people in Chechnya and the Russian government did nothing to prevent it.

In an ideal world we wouldn't need Pride but some of the comments above prove why we do need it - straight people somehow feeling threatened by gay people. To put it bluntly, it's straight pride for the remaining 364 days of the year so shut up, stop judging and let us live our lives.

Well done Condor - your crew must be very satisfied that they have an employer that cares about diversity and equality.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:32 am

So what is the difference with another Condor flight? Probably the male FAs are the same people.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:50 am

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We've seen similar for all-female, all-veteran, all-African American, etc operations at several airlines over the years; why would this one be different.


And i find this dumb in all cases. I have no doubt that those marketing event are making most of the gay people happy and it's already a good reason to do it.

That's the underlying capitalist purpose that bother me, i would be really pissed if my sexual orientation was used as a marketing tool.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:57 am

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And i find this dumb in all cases.

No one cares.

And I don't mean that in a personally dismissive manner: in this case I'm speaking more in the context of corporate marketing.
Highlights of those such situations have an audience, seems you're apparently not it.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:00 am

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LaunchDetected wrote:
And i find this dumb in all cases.

No one cares.

And I don't mean that in a personally dismissive manner: in this case I'm speaking more in the context of corporate marketing.
Highlights of those such situations have an audience, seems you're apparently not it.


That's exactly my point.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:30 am

Seems like many people who claim not to care at all actually do care quite a bit.

This type subject is a real magnet for... ambiguous comments (to say the least).
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:33 am

Celebrate what? If you claim to be "Gay" and its natural then whats the big deal? Is this some sort of Indentity crisis and you are trying to affirm yourself into a lifestyle your not fully sure of?


I've just raised the rainbow flag outside my house for the rest of this month. I am pretty confident that neither the flag nor the house will be attacked. That wasn't always the case.
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Re: Condor resumes FRA-MSY with all-LGBT crewed Pride flight

Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:37 am

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Being gay and into aviation i just love this!

Wondering if this is being picked up in the media with a positive vibe? Especially for an airline the size of DE i think it’s great they’re focusing on the LGBTIQ community. Does anyone know about other airlines having a serious marketing strategy towards the LGTBIQ community?

Let’s celebrate all kinds of love, on the ground, above and beyond :)

QF have done a lot of LGBTQ advocacy and promotion in recent years, likely a personal project of the CEO who is gay. They are one of the main sponsors of the Sydney Mardi Gras, played a vocal role in the same sex marriage debate and even had a rainbow themed special livery on an A330-300 for a while.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:48 am

That is 'Virtue Signaling'


Speaking as a nearly 60 year old gay man who endured much "hostility signaling" from many quarters for most of my life, Condor's "virtue signaling" is very welcome.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:56 am

Finally the world is advancing and accepting/ promoting this kind of life/love. Excellent. Good Job Condor
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:02 am

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for whatever reason, oh, yeah.....EUROs

That's the objective of any corporation in any endeavor, so why are you pretending as if it's some "one off" manner of "signaling" anything, other than the simple statement that they're a corporation who wants [insert market demographic here]'s business?

Back in the day, we just called it...... advertising.

But according to what you're saying, they're apparently "virtue signaling" when they advertise with specific targeting mountain climbers for the PacNW. To hikers for the American southwest. To gamblers for Las Vegas. To people wanting to visit Greek isles.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:09 am

Virgin Atlantic is also flying a "pride flight" for NYC world pride on June 29th featuring an all LGBT crew, drag queen bingo and live performances hosted by teh hilrious Tituss Burgess. Now that's a flight i'd love to be on ;)

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018 ... pride-2019
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:03 pm

It is well known among airline marketing specialists that the Gay Community has among the highest discretionary income within travelling demographics. If one were cynical, one could suggest this was a good marketing scheme.

But actually, it is not much different than "all female crew" flights. It is not as much celebrating women or gays, as it is about acknowledging a minority in a workplace that makes it rare. Granted, aft of the kevlar door, women and gays are more common. Not so in the front end.

Jews are mentioned above. I would suggest they are much more common in both flight and cabin crews. While an "all Jew" flight crew would be interesting, I don't think it would be all that uncommon.

I was the Captain of Air Canada's first (publicly acknowledged) all gay flight. It wasn't as "public" as the all female flights, but it was noted internally and made local media. And ... for the record ... the First Officer was both gay and Jewish! (A little rarer ;) )
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:24 pm

This thread is going to bring me out of the woodwork... The posts in here illustrate why flights like this are so important, and why, despite all the progress that's been made, there is still so much more work do be done. People talk about being open to "different viewpoints or worldviews," but being gay isn't an opinion. It wasn't a choice. And it's not a worldview. I'm not going to engage in a debate with somebody over my right to exist. Saying you don't like the "gay lifestyle" is no different that saying you think black people are lesser, or that Jews can't be trusted. It's all speech rooted in bigotry, and not worthy of debate.

I think Air New Zealand use to have special pride flights from SFO to Sydney for Mardi Gras, but I don't know if they still do that. I've been on several flights to SF on United around Pride that may as well have been Pride flights.
 
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What do these companies do the rest of the year to support LGBTQ equality?
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:25 pm

Crew photo, outside the MSY international arrivals area.

Interesting to note, the flight crew was all-lesbian.

They will all be honored for "NOLA pride worldwide," with the Condor float in the New Orleans pride parade.

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Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:13 pm

It's amazing how tolerant Western Europe - barring Italy of course - is so far ahead when it comes to LGBT rights.

...and on an airplane from 1982 nonetheless...
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It seems to me airlines, particular in Western Europe and the USA may be a bit of a leaders for decades as to tolerance and acceptance of GLTBQ's in the industry. Yes, some of the special flights and marketing is to for profits especially the GLTBQ customers, but is also important to those employees who are GLTBQ to let them know they are part of the company, respected for their work and their general lifestyles are not the business of their employer. The idea that ones sexuality has to be kept secret, 'kept in the closet' is something that is very psychologically damaging leading to too many suicides, excessive use of drugs and alcohol and very lonely lives.

Yes, GLTBQ's have come a long way from the rebellion a the Stonewall Inn in NYC 50 years ago, a reaction to the extensive harassment and too many arrests by NYPD for being gay but there are still problems. Look at the recent violent attack in London on a late bus upon a Lesbian couple on a date, one of which works as a F/A for Ryanair. There are the too numerous social slights, discrimination and violence upon GLTBQ's. Politicians who want to reverse legal same-gender marriage, or not allow it at all. Political, religious and social leaders who spew obscenely against GLTBQ's trying to make them lesser that 'straights'. I do hope that in the near future, anti-GLTBQ acts and behaviors are seen as something to be 'kept in the closet'.
 
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And ... for the record ... the First Officer was both gay and Jewish! (A little rarer ;) )


Send him my way please!
 
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A really good article on Pride advertising

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/www.vic ... r-applause

A big thumbs up to Condor for choosing the Deep South for this campaign. They chose a market that is more ‘problematic’. Meanwhile, Virgin does the easy thing and picks SFO. If virgin were serious about the pride message, they’d pick a Belfast - Orlando or a London shanghai route.
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What do these companies do the rest of the year to support LGBTQ equality?


It's actually the other way around. It is the companies (and countries) that have well defined rules/laws with regard to harassment or discrimination that are likely to promote Pride events like this. Let's face, you won't see a lot of African carriers with "all gay" flights! ;)

I know that at Air Canada, we have a very hard and fast set of rules regarding harassment or discrimination with regard to age, gender, race or sexual orientation. Everyone has been warned. You will be fired on your first offence. These rules mirror the Canadian Charter of Rights. And are enforced "the rest of the year" too.

It is even in our Flight Operations Manual that if your handling of a passenger would differ depending on his race (for example) then you must stop. Period.
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:42 pm

The LGBTQ stuff is very nice, but what IN THE WORLD is that SORRY excuse of a "Premium Cabin"????? I hope Condor was only charging $400 MAX for that.

I've seen Y cabins with better configurations.
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A really good article on Pride advertising

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/www.vic ... r-applause

A big thumbs up to Condor for choosing the Deep South for this campaign. They chose a market that is more ‘problematic’. Meanwhile, Virgin does the easy thing and picks SFO. If virgin were serious about the pride message, they’d pick a Belfast - Orlando or a London shanghai route.


Shows what little you know. Orlando might be in Florida, but it is a very diverse/tolerant city. Remember Pulse? The theme parks?
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If an airline, not EL AL, did an all Jewish theme, I’d be embarrassed. I suppose if there was a gay country and this was their national carrier, this would be fine.

Think, every identity can have their own airline. Lots of Islamic Airlines already, so that is covered. I think Thailand has a transgender airline. Then the rest can have an airline and pander to the most extreme stereo types. Aer Lingus would have drunk staff. Aero Mexico would be lazy ( not sure where that one comes from cuz it isn’t true). Imagine what DC Air would have been like had that gone through back in 2000. The non-EL AL Jewish airline could be based at JFK and be run my neurotic Woody Allen types who overcharge passengers.

I’d appreciate any other inputs from posters. Native American Airlines based in Rapid City. You get the idea.


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Super80Fan wrote:
BestWestern wrote:
A really good article on Pride advertising

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/www.vic ... r-applause

A big thumbs up to Condor for choosing the Deep South for this campaign. They chose a market that is more ‘problematic’. Meanwhile, Virgin does the easy thing and picks SFO. If virgin were serious about the pride message, they’d pick a Belfast - Orlando or a London shanghai route.


Shows what little you know. Orlando might be in Florida, but it is a very diverse/tolerant city. Remember Pulse? The theme parks?


I’m not talking about Orlando, but Belfast. Google DUP.

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Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:51 am

BestWestern wrote:
A really good article on Pride advertising

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/www.vic ... r-applause

A big thumbs up to Condor for choosing the Deep South for this campaign. They chose a market that is more ‘problematic’. Meanwhile, Virgin does the easy thing and picks SFO. If virgin were serious about the pride message, they’d pick a Belfast - Orlando or a London shanghai route.


I think they fly to Rome, does that count :rotfl:
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:21 am

This is 2019. We need to get over ourselves.

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