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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:36 pm

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Look at it from Iran’s perspective. They signed a global nuclear deal. US withdraws, adds embargoes, doubles down on these embargoes.

The US flies drones in their airspace.

I’m not here to fly the Iranian flag. But there is no need for Conflict here.


No there's not. However I fear that the Iranians are falling into the trap set for them by Bolton/Pompeo and rubber stamped by Trump
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:37 pm

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Look at it from Iran’s perspective. They signed a global nuclear deal. US withdraws, adds embargoes, doubles down on these embargoes.

The US flies drones in their airspace.

I’m not here to fly the Iranian flag. But there is no need for Conflict here.


Precisely - it's completely avoidable by not doing the bidding of other GCC actors and letting them sort their centuries-old squabbles out. FFS, this is sending your falcon out crapping in a bird bath two counties away because you're 'friends' with one side of embattled neighbors.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:45 pm

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Why was the US flying a drone? To provoke.

Of course the US will say it was in international waters.

why is the US playing in the gulf anyway? The us complained that Venezuela isn’t in Russia’s hemisphere. Iran certainly isn’t in the US’s.

Go build a wall, and keep out of the gulf.


The US is flying drones to observe. Iran just placed mines on ships in the region, and you think the US isn’t going to have the eye in the sky watching every ship in the area trying to catch them red handed? Common man.
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:27 pm

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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:40 pm

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Russia IS just off the US coast.


It must be; Sarah Palin can see it from her kitchen window...

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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:45 pm

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A.net where you can be an armchair Airline CEO, an armchair OEM CEO and an armchair Prime Minister, all at the same time!


But enough about you... :duck:
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:46 pm

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Aesma wrote:
Russia IS just off the US coast.


It must be; Sarah Palin can see it from her kitchen window...

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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:53 pm

casinterest wrote:
BestWestern wrote:
To be fair, the US is poking Iran with drone flights.


To be fair, the US may poke back with more than drone flights since the drone was shot down instead of being escorted away.

How did your Iraq war work out for you? Unless you're an Israeli, I suspect not so well.

casinterest wrote:
Olddog wrote:
Why do you think automatically it was really in international waters?


Why do you think Automatically it was ok to shoot it down?
If it was in Iranian airspace, they certainly have the right to shoot it down.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:00 pm

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This is going to get bad real quick, I guarantee y’all. The straight is too vital to the worlds oil supply to allow a rogue nation to threaten the free flowing trade of it. How far this escalates... lets just say is in Iran’s hands right now. Iran and Iraq were at war for 10 years, Iraq Incase’s Kuwait and then got clobbered over three weeks. Now Iran wants to play after being subjected to various embargoes to try and force their way?

It’s not going to play out well for any in the region.

The "rouge nation" is the one that is sending military assets seven thousand miles away from its own borders.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:04 pm

Spar wrote:
casinterest wrote:
BestWestern wrote:
To be fair, the US is poking Iran with drone flights.


To be fair, the US may poke back with more than drone flights since the drone was shot down instead of being escorted away.

How did your Iraq war work out for you? Unless you're an Israeli, I suspect not so well.

casinterest wrote:
Olddog wrote:
Why do you think automatically it was really in international waters?


Why do you think Automatically it was ok to shoot it down?
If it was in Iranian airspace, they certainly have the right to shoot it down.



And then the US has the right to seek compensation for that craft in an independent court if it was over International Lines as recognized Internationally.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:04 pm

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N757ST wrote:
BestWestern wrote:
Why was the US flying a drone? To provoke.

Of course the US will say it was in international waters.

why is the US playing in the gulf anyway? The us complained that Venezuela isn’t in Russia’s hemisphere. Iran certainly isn’t in the US’s.

Go build a wall, and keep out of the gulf.


The United States has a duty to protect its interests around the world, and in this case US companies and citizens are highly involved in shipping through that water way. If you think that the US is going to allow another country to threaten its ventures in the region you’re delusional.



Ah, I get it. Oil. Silly me
No, it's not about oil. That strawman has been used far far too often. That was used to cover up the actual reason for the Invasion of Iraq.

This is about Israel, same as Iraq.

Here is some important reading:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/worl ... trump.html

Iran has indeed often acted as a regional provocateur, but in this case some nonpartisan experts on Iran and on United States policy in the Middle East see something different.

They say Iran appears to be pursuing a provocative but calibrated strategy to counter what its leaders see as a potentially existential American threat
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:45 pm

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BestWestern wrote:
Look at it from Iran’s perspective. They signed a global nuclear deal. US withdraws, adds embargoes, doubles down on these embargoes. The US flies drones in their airspace. I’m not here to fly the Iranian flag. But there is no need for Conflict here.

Precisely - it's completely avoidable by not doing the bidding of other GCC actors and letting them sort their centuries-old squabbles out. FFS, this is sending your falcon out crapping in a bird bath two counties away because you're 'friends' with one side of embattled neighbors.

The "squabble" is not centuries old. It is about 140 years old; that's when the Zionists started infiltrating Palestine and began their takeover which has led to their current (and forever onward) expansion program into other people's land.

That is what this is all about, it's not about 'oil" it's not about "centuries old squabble", it's not about anything other than Netanyahu's hold on Donald Trump.

The "ME crisis" will end only when Israel renounces further expansion and makes peace with its neighbors.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:46 pm

casinterest wrote:
Spar wrote:
casinterest wrote:

To be fair, the US may poke back with more than drone flights since the drone was shot down instead of being escorted away.

How did your Iraq war work out for you? Unless you're an Israeli, I suspect not so well.

casinterest wrote:

Why do you think Automatically it was ok to shoot it down?
If it was in Iranian airspace, they certainly have the right to shoot it down.



And then the US has the right to seek compensation for that craft in an independent court if it was over International Lines as recognized Internationally.

Absolutely, file the claim in the Hague and bring the proof.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:49 pm

Trump is now downplaying the incident, saying it was probably an Iranian mistake...
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:52 pm

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Trump is now downplaying the incident, saying it was probably an Iranian mistake...


Sounds like he's trying to avoid an armed conflict with Iran. Isn't that what you wanted?
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:53 pm

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Trump is now downplaying the incident, saying it was probably an Iranian mistake...

Yep, that's predictable; that reflects the Iranian strategy. Read the NYT article I linked to above, its title is "Iran’s Gambit: Force the World to Rein In Trump".

Iran has Trump in a corner he doesn't want to be in.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:13 pm

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Sounds like he's trying to avoid an armed conflict with Iran. Isn't that what you wanted?


Actions speak louder than words. In this case the action being is he going to pull back some of the forces deployed or going to be deployed in the Persian Gulf.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:16 pm

LMP737 wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:

Sounds like he's trying to avoid an armed conflict with Iran. Isn't that what you wanted?


Actions speak louder than words. In this case the action being is he going to pull back some of the forces deployed or going to be deployed in the Persian Gulf.


But aren't we talking about the guy that the left told us was going to lead us into a nuclear war?
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:16 pm

LMP737 wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:

Sounds like he's trying to avoid an armed conflict with Iran. Isn't that what you wanted?


Actions speak louder than words. In this case the action being is he going to pull back some of the forces deployed or going to be deployed in the Persian Gulf.


And shut his piehole.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:19 pm

Spar wrote:
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Iran has Trump in a corner he doesn't want to be in.
It's a dangerous game, but that's what is going on.


They both have each other backed into a corner. The Iranians are not going to back down unless they get something substantial in return. Trump is not going to give it to them because he views that as weakness.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:21 pm

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But aren't we talking about the guy that the left told us was going to lead us into a nuclear war?


That's irrelevant to the conversation. The question is is he going to throttle back.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:22 pm

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Spar wrote:
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Iran has Trump in a corner he doesn't want to be in.
It's a dangerous game, but that's what is going on.


They both have each other backed into a corner. The Iranians are not going to back down unless they get something substantial in return. Trump is not going to give it to them because he views that as weakness.
Iran just wants return to status que.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:24 pm

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Iran just wants return to status que.


And Trump is not going to give it to them.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:30 pm

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Spar wrote:
Iran just wants return to status que.


And Trump is not going to give it to them.
So we either see low level "crisis's" ad nauseam, or we see a real confrontation* in which case that will almost certainly turn into a quagmire that will be ended only after Trump's term of office. Iran won't back down unless they are occupied like Iraq was - but that can never happen.



That's my guess.


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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:28 pm

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Trump is now downplaying the incident, saying it was probably an Iranian mistake...

Very strange. When he tweeted „Iran made a huge mistake“ I translated this into „my generals are already preparing a major strike as punishment“. I am very curious when I turn on my mobile phone tomorrow morning and check the news (before opening a.net, of course :-) ...)
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:55 pm

Iran claims that the drone was "targeted" at 25°59’43”N 57°02’25”E*. This puts it about nine miles from the Iranian shoreline (low water mark) and well within the 12 mile limit that prevails as "territorial waters:. If Iran has radar records to back up this claim, any protest from the Trump administration is moot.

The US has given no exact locations.

* https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/us/p ... an-us.html
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:08 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Trump is now downplaying the incident, saying it was probably an Iranian mistake...


Sounds like he's trying to avoid an armed conflict with Iran. Isn't that what you wanted?

How so? He's talking out of both sides of his mouth and can't get his story straight. Which part are we to believe, O apologist whisperer?
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:16 pm

This was a message from Iran to the US - "hey look, we shot down one of your little drones. If we can do that, think how easy it would be for us to take out a fighter or bomber. Maybe think about that before you decide to invade us."
No one got hurt and a point was made. They are assuming that smashing one of Uncle Sam's toys isn't going to result in serious retaliation by the US. It wouldn't make sense IMO for the US to conduct any major strikes as retribution. I don't think Iran are the innocents some here are portraying them to be but up to this point I don't think they've done enough to warrant a full out war. If more ships are mysteriously attacked over the coming weeks or months, that could change.
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:04 am

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This was a message from Iran to the US - "hey look, we shot down one of your little drones. If we can do that, think how easy it would be for us to take out a fighter or bomber. Maybe think about that before you decide to invade us."
No one got hurt and a point was made. They are assuming that smashing one of Uncle Sam's toys isn't going to result in serious retaliation by the US. It wouldn't make sense IMO for the US to conduct any major strikes as retribution. I don't think Iran are the innocents some here are portraying them to be but up to this point I don't think they've done enough to warrant a full out war. If more ships are mysteriously attacked over the coming weeks or months, that could change.
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Of course they are not innocents - in realpolitik terms one naturally acts this way when their allies have been mostly USSR/Russia and China since 1979. But the larger context is lost on Americans - Iran is a sophisticated culture and the revolution may not have come at all if we had not interfered in their democracy and installed a despot.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:50 am

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I'm certainly not going to fly on Emirates anymore after Iran is now shooting down aircraft in that area.

Emirates doesn't fly over Iran's airspace. In any event, I'm sure that Emirates will adjust their future earnings projection to include the "loss" of your business.


Completely false. On EK DXB-KIX last year the departure took us over Bandar Abbas on a direct line to Quetta in Pakistan. Only Afghan airspace was avoided. A routine check of flightradar24 shows several carriers using Iranian airspace near the strait, including EK.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:09 am

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Spar wrote:
aviationaware wrote:
I'm certainly not going to fly on Emirates anymore after Iran is now shooting down aircraft in that area.

Emirates doesn't fly over Iran's airspace. In any event, I'm sure that Emirates will adjust their future earnings projection to include the "loss" of your business.


Completely false. On EK DXB-KIX last year the departure took us over Bandar Abbas on a direct line to Quetta in Pakistan. Only Afghan airspace was avoided. A routine check of flightradar24 shows several carriers using Iranian airspace near the strait, including EK.

OK you got me.

But an American far right winger claiming that Iran is now shooting down aircraft in that area is such an absurd accusation that I thought it need some immediate pushback, especially in light of Iran Air Flight 655.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:19 am

trpmb6 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Trump is now downplaying the incident, saying it was probably an Iranian mistake...


Sounds like he's trying to avoid an armed conflict with Iran. Isn't that what you wanted?


We can think whatever about Trump but so far he hasn't started a war and that is a good thing. Hopefully that remains so.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:38 am

Even FOX news Tucker Carlson is talking with Trump to de-escalate tensions with Iran. :eyepopping:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news- ... t-iran-war
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:44 am

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Even FOX news Tucker Carlson is talking with Trump to de-escalate tensions with Iran. :eyepopping:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news- ... t-iran-war


Now that's scary (again) ...that a IS president would take advice from a TV host.


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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:53 am

BN747 wrote:
dragon-wings wrote:
Even FOX news Tucker Carlson is talking with Trump to de-escalate tensions with Iran. :eyepopping:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news- ... t-iran-war


Now that's scary (again) ...that a IS president would take advice from a TV host.


BN747


Tucker is VERY anti-interventionist, so in this case it’s actually good advice compared to the garden variety nonsense from Pompeo and Bolton.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:59 am

trpmb6 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Trump is now downplaying the incident, saying it was probably an Iranian mistake...


Sounds like he's trying to avoid an armed conflict with Iran. Isn't that what you wanted?


No, what I wanted was the deal to work.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:58 am

Aaron747 wrote:
BN747 wrote:
dragon-wings wrote:
Even FOX news Tucker Carlson is talking with Trump to de-escalate tensions with Iran. :eyepopping:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news- ... t-iran-war


Now that's scary (again) ...that a IS president would take advice from a TV host.


BN747


Tucker is VERY anti-interventionist, so in this case it’s actually good advice compared to the garden variety nonsense from Pompeo and Bolton.


As true as that may be...a US President so easily persusded by his favorite tv host is a president not listening to the American public, meaning if that slids..who's next? His tarot card reader?
Where does it stop?

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Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:34 am

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Then Iran won't complain when the US comes knocking on the door for an explanation of why their property was destroyed over international waters, and sets up permanent operations in those waters?


‘International waters’ is a lazy ruse when those waters are the Persian Gulf. Emphasis on Persian, from Iran’s perspective...no?


International waters are international waters. Russia parks SLBM off our coast and flys bombers inside the ADIZ all the time, how many have we shot down?


Short memories, eh? You won't be even until Iran shoots down one of your airliners as it flies through territorial waters.

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N757ST wrote:


Russia flys bear bombers just off the US coast all the time. How many have we shot down?

If this drone was outside their airspace, which it seems it was, this is a heck of an escalation for an “innocent nation”.

Seb... maybe it was the Somalis or IS that shot it down. Lol...


Drones are expensive, unmanned toys. Don’t want them shot down? Don’t fly them halfway across the world in bad neighborhoods.


Want to know a good way to get your toys broken? Break mine and see what happens... international airspace is just that, you can not legally attack an aircraft if it doesn’t enter YOUR air space...not a hard concept to understand.


Yet the US still shot down IR655...and gave the crew of the ship who did it medals.
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:35 am

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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:52 am

What exactly did Iran have to gain from trying to sink a Japanese ship whilst the Japanese PM was visiting the country?
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:54 am

Now a US Drone got downed by an Iranian SAM...

Trump is weak when it comes to military action.

This is why we need a president that has a military background. And Trump is not one of them...
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:37 am

Finally, whoever put these mines and shot that rocket yesterday, he has reached his goal: WE HAVE A WAR! .... not in the middle east but in the Non-Aviation forum of a.net ;-)
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:46 am

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Now a US Drone got downed by an Iranian SAM...

Trump is weak when it comes to military action.

This is why we need a president that has a military background. And Trump is not one of them...


Trump in office has bombed about 7 countries, launched cruise missiles strikes in Syria, authorised Special Ops raids against targets in Africa and the ME, increased drone strikes by 400% above Obama, increased US military spending by $160 billion.

And now you're begging for war because Iranians shot down a flying robot off their coastline?

A flying robot isn't worth one human life.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:56 am

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Now a US Drone got downed by an Iranian SAM...

Trump is weak when it comes to military action.

This is why we need a president that has a military background. And Trump is not one of them...



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48714414

Apparently he approved strikes but stopped they before they happened.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:18 pm

zkojq wrote:
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Aaron747 wrote:

‘International waters’ is a lazy ruse when those waters are the Persian Gulf. Emphasis on Persian, from Iran’s perspective...no?


International waters are international waters. Russia parks SLBM off our coast and flys bombers inside the ADIZ all the time, how many have we shot down?


Short memories, eh? You won't be even until Iran shoots down one of your airliners as it flies through territorial waters.


And you forget the Iranian hostage holdings. Memories can be long for bad events.

Trump and his lying , racist , cowardice has pushed us towards war, so I will wait to see how it all turns out. Trump wants another Vietnam since his bone spurs got him out of the first one. Things were much better when we at least had the Paris agreement.
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:30 pm

According the latest news, Trump stopped the attack because he received an answer to his question about the number of expected casualties (150). As per the news report, he considered this number as inappropriate in relation to what had happened.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:37 pm

N14AZ wrote:
According the latest news, Trump stopped the attack because he received an answer to his question about the number of expected casualties (150). As per the news report, he considered this number as inappropriate in relation to what had happened.


One life taken isn't appropriate for the loss of a flying robot, let alone 150.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:47 pm

Lets see

Iran warns the US to get the drone out of its airspace twice

Iran shoots down the drone

Trump says they’ve made a big mistake

Trump says the order to shoot it down did not come from Teheran and it’s just a mistake.

Trump orders a strike on Iran.

Trump orders the strike stopped because 150 people might die.

Sounds like a solid plan to me
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:52 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
According the latest news, Trump stopped the attack because he received an answer to his question about the number of expected casualties (150). As per the news report, he considered this number as inappropriate in relation to what had happened.


One life taken isn't appropriate for the loss of a flying robot, let alone 150.

Well, there seem to be people in the administration who do not think like this.

Heck, if the story was actually as described above and not just some kind of propaganda (you all know how the saying goes, truth is the first casualty in war...) then I really like what Trump did.
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