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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:57 am

Dieuwer wrote:

Not much of "sanctions" if you are pretty much the only country on earth who levied them against Cuba. Canadians are free to travel to Cuba, and so are Europeans. Not to mention people from Asia.


Kind of my point but I get what your'e saying.

Dieuwer wrote:
Then again, Trump could pull "an Iran" and demand the rest of the world place sanctions on Cuba... "OR ELSE!!".


And countries like China, who are provably a little miffed at Trump right now might decide to ignore it.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:23 pm

So Trump is basically thanking Iran for not having shot down a P-8 with 38 people on board.

One commentator on that tweet says a P-8 has 8 crew members, and nowhere near 38 seats.

Is Trump now getting his info from Iran directly ?

IIRC the Iranian spokesman said "about 35 people" so even they didn't pretend to know.

Iran then has the brilliant idea to claim there are rogues in the US military, trying to start a war behind Trump's back.

Not only will that tick Trump, but they might even be right.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:19 pm

Aesma wrote:
So Trump is basically thanking Iran for not having shot down a P-8 with 38 people on board.

What's the context here?
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:56 pm

VSMUT wrote:
mham001 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

They never found any evidence of this, and eventually the police had to admit that all the intelligence came from Mossad.


Can you provide a source disproving what the Danes still believe to be true?


https://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE1 ... tatplaner/

The entire case has slowly unraveled. It is one big joke that they are now sweeping under the carpet. All they have is a radicalized Norwegian immigrant.


Can you provide a source for that please? The source you have provided does not say anything about the case "unraveling".
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:55 pm

Spar wrote:
Aesma wrote:
So Trump is basically thanking Iran for not having shot down a P-8 with 38 people on board.

What's the context here?


https://www.ft.com/content/27d9296c-950 ... c211dcd229
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:22 pm

mham001 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
The source you have provided does not say anything about the case "unraveling".

You are focused like a laser on absolute trivia, none of the things you claim to prove that Iran is bringing terrorism to Europe would be more than an individual loose cannon even if they were proved to be true. And they are all failed actions. Then there is the hypocrisy behind your outrage; the fact is that you could care less if Europe disappeared off the map. Your outrage is quite overdone.

These "terrorist" accusations against Iran are all a smokescreen coming from the people who are actually behind the campaigns to cripple Iran. They have been originally brought about by Iran's support of the Palestinians in their struggle against the Zionists. The accusation that Iran is supporting "terrorism" because it supports Hezbollah is a misplaced accusation. The militant wing of Hezbollah is an irregular force conducting gorilla warfare; (would you expect them to wear red coats and stand in a line in the manner of a British Army of the 18th century)? They use gorilla tactics that the Zionists try to label as being "terrorist" because that makes it sound like they are Al Qaeda. It's a misplaced accusation from the get-go. It's a rhetorical device.

Behind it all is the fact is that Iran is no threat to Israel anyway; Hezbollah just conducts pin prick operations that keep the Palestinian issue in the news. The amount of damage they cause Israel is miniscule compared to how much damage Israel has and continues to cause the Palestinians and is no threat to Israel's existence unless one were to think in political terms; but that isn't even a possibility. Generally speaking, Europe sees the Palestinian issue through the same eyes as Iran, they are not enemies, Iran is not out to "destroy" Europe or visa versa. So these charges of Iran making terrorist action against Europe can't be anything other than anomaly, (or false flag) anyway.

Then there is the fact that you are an American and the United States sits 8,000 miles away from Iran, Iran is no threat or even concern of the US.

Your zealotry is peculiar to say the least; it's as if you have internalized all of one side's propaganda and elevated it to existential proportions. What makes you such a diehard supporter of Israel's genocide against the Palestinians and such a chump for Israeli propaganda?

For the rest of us, your rhetoric sounds exactly like the rhetoric that got us into the unmitigated disaster known as Iraq and for people as old as I am, your alarmist charges against Iran sound very much like the "Vietnam will go communist and the world will come to an end" talk we used to hear in the 60s. You just don't come across as a person who has actually given your own position any thought.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:24 pm

Aesma wrote:
Spar wrote:
Aesma wrote:
So Trump is basically thanking Iran for not having shot down a P-8 with 38 people on board.

What's the context here?


https://www.ft.com/content/27d9296c-950 ... c211dcd229

Become an FT Subscriber? No thanks.

Why are you so cryptic?
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:52 pm

Sorry, I am not a subscriber and could read that.

Here is what you're asking for :

President Trump said Saturday that Iran was “very wise” not to shoot down a manned plane when it decided to down an unmanned U.S. surveillance drone.

“There was a plane with 38 people yesterday. Did you see that? I think that's a big story. They had it in their sights, and they didn't shoot it down. I think they were very wise not to do that. And we appreciate that they didn't do that. I think that was a very wise decision,” Trump told reporters Saturday.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:27 pm

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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:21 pm

Spar wrote:
You don't want to see a war with Iran but you just get a kick out of calling for war with Iran? What else is your hawking of the "terrorist" accusation against Iran other than a call for war with Iran in the current environment?


Where have I "called for war" with iran? Quotes please.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:24 pm

mham001 wrote:
Spar wrote:
You don't want to see a war with Iran but you just get a kick out of calling for war with Iran? What else is your hawking of the "terrorist" accusation against Iran other than a call for war with Iran in the current environment?


Where have I "called for war" with iran? Quotes please.


I repeat:
What else is your hawking of the "terrorist" accusation against Iran other than a call for war with Iran in the current environment?
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:30 pm

Spar wrote:
I repeat:
What else is your hawking of the "terrorist" accusation against Iran other than a call for war with Iran in the current environment?


A reply to the common misrepresentation that:
a) things with Iran were hunky-dory after they were invited back "into the world" (or some such quote)
b) these most recent sanctions/tensions are all about that deal.
Period.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:46 pm

mham001 wrote:
Spar wrote:
I repeat:
What else is your hawking of the "terrorist" accusation against Iran other than a call for war with Iran in the current environment?


A reply to the common misrepresentation that:
a) things with Iran were hunky-dory after they were invited back "into the world" (or some such quote)
b) these most recent sanctions/tensions are all about that deal.
Period.
If you want to reply to what in your mind are common misrepresentations, then go ahead and make your argument (with whatever it is that you are arguing against), but the way you're going about it is unhinged. You're just parroting Lukid talking points.

All that is coming through is that you hate Iran. It would be helpful if you just put your cards on the table and say why you hate Iran.


" these most recent sanctions/tensions are all about that deal" what deal?
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:23 am

It doesn’t matter - 45 just wrongly indicated he doesn’t need approval from Congress to strike Iran. Pretty careless comment to be making in public amid recent bellicosity on all sides.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:11 am

mham001 wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1143128642878410752
"China gets 91% of its Oil from the Straight, Japan 62%, & many other countries likewise. So why are we protecting the shipping lanes for other countries (many years) for zero compensation. All of these countries should be protecting their own ships on what has always been....
....a dangerous journey. We don’t even need to be there in that the U.S. has just become (by far) the largest producer of Energy anywhere in the world! The U.S. request for Iran is very simple - No Nuclear Weapons and No Further Sponsoring of Terror!"


The only thing your link proves is:

1) Donald Trump is lying; China does not get "91% of its oil from the Straight"; in fact, it gets only 44.1% of its oil from all the Middle Eastern countries - and not all of that passes through the Straits of Hormuz;

2) Donald Trump can't spell "Strait"; and

3) You will grasp at any statement or source, whether true or not, in an attempt to support your dubious claims.
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www.worldstopexports.com/top-15-crude-oil-suppliers-to-china/
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:11 am

Mham and the like, can you understand that the europeans think it is very arrogant for the US to pretend to tell us who are the terrorist coming in our countries ? We dealt with theses countries and populations for centuries.....
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:23 am

Aesma wrote:
https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/1143250186954784774



So funny
In the past these statements would come from a department probably after review and some thought.
Now its instant twitter.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:02 pm

The ongoing confrontation continues, today it is verbal: Rouhani released a statement saying that the White House is "afflicted by mental retardation."
Trump responded by threatening to "obliterate" Iran.

This level of animosity is unlikely to last for long before Trump launches a strike.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:24 pm

Spar wrote:
The ongoing confrontation continues, today it is verbal: Rouhani released a statement saying that the White House is "afflicted by mental retardation."
Trump responded by threatening to "obliterate" Iran.

This level of animosity is unlikely to last for long before Trump launches a strike.


World leaders calling each other retards. We truly are in strange times.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:11 pm

cranberrysaus wrote:
Spar wrote:
The ongoing confrontation continues, today it is verbal: Rouhani released a statement saying that the White House is "afflicted by mental retardation."
Trump responded by threatening to "obliterate" Iran.

This level of animosity is unlikely to last for long before Trump launches a strike.


World leaders calling each other retards. We truly are in strange times.


Normally, I would end to agree... but he was talking about Trump...

;)
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:19 am

alfa164 wrote:
cranberrysaus wrote:
Spar wrote:
The ongoing confrontation continues, today it is verbal: Rouhani released a statement saying that the White House is "afflicted by mental retardation."
Trump responded by threatening to "obliterate" Iran.

This level of animosity is unlikely to last for long before Trump launches a strike.


World leaders calling each other retards. We truly are in strange times.


Normally, I would end to agree... but he was talking about Trump...

;)

The childish taunt by Rouhani may be better thought out than it would appear. I suspect Rouhani believes that regardless of anything Iran does or doesn't do (outside of complete capitulation) Iran is destined to be at the receiving end of American air strikes anyway and if that is going to happen, taunting Trump right now makes all the sense in the world. If Rouhani can get Trump to be seen as launching an air strike over the fact that he's been insulted, Rouhani has gone a long way towards winning the hearts and minds of Europe and a whole lot of Americans. And "hearts and minds" are where wars are won or lost.

Trump may be on the prepuce of owning a losing war in the most personal way possible. And if Trump seems torn it's probably because he senses this.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:48 pm

Middle Eastern outlets now reporting that not a single NATO ally has committed to helping the US secure Strait of Hormuz shipping.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/u-s-get ... -1.7417528
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:08 pm

It is normal.Trump said he will air bomb Iran. It means tons of civilian casualties. Unless he succeeds with a total genocide of iranians, they will seek revenge for decades to come. And as they will never have an air force able to strike the US, you will get an asymmetrical war thru terrorism against US interest.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:12 am

Spar wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
cranberrysaus wrote:

World leaders calling each other retards. We truly are in strange times.


Normally, I would end to agree... but he was talking about Trump...

;)

The childish taunt by Rouhani may be better thought out than it would appear. I suspect Rouhani believes that regardless of anything Iran does or doesn't do (outside of complete capitulation) Iran is destined to be at the receiving end of American air strikes anyway and if that is going to happen, taunting Trump right now makes all the sense in the world. If Rouhani can get Trump to be seen as launching an air strike over the fact that he's been insulted, Rouhani has gone a long way towards winning the hearts and minds of Europe and a whole lot of Americans. And "hearts and minds" are where wars are won or lost.

Trump may be on the prepuce of owning a losing war in the most personal way possible. And if Trump seems torn it's probably because he senses this.


I think you meant to say "precipice", but anything related to that part of the male body describes Trump rather well :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:27 pm

Hassan Rouhani has no intention of letting Trump off the hook and allowing the poison words and the economic sanctions to continue unchallenged. He has gone public announcing that Iran Will begin enriching uranium at higher level in days. He's taunting Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/worl ... uhani.html


This is an almost exact copy of what happened when the shrub cancelled the deal with North Korea. Maybe not so far in the future we'll see trump come to Iran and kiss Sayyid Ali Hosseini Khamenei full on on the mouth - after Iran has nukes. Or maybe it'll be Ivanka's turn by then.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:02 pm

Looks like the Iranian Republican Guard is at it again. This time they attempted to seize a British flagged ship transiting the Suez Canal... it’s a shame that the British Royal Navy frigate that was escorting it didn’t light them up to send a message.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9482610/i ... il-tanker/
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:21 pm

LittleSprocket wrote:
Looks like the Iranian Republican Guard is at it again. This time they attempted to seize a British flagged ship transiting the Suez Canal... it’s a shame that the British Royal Navy frigate that was escorting it didn’t light them up to send a message.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9482610/i ... il-tanker/


You mean Iran is now reacting to the actions of the UK seizing an Iranian tanker in Spanish waters?
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:17 pm

US sanctions are just US sanctions. It is not the world law
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:20 pm

Olddog wrote:
US sanctions are just US sanctions. It is not the world law


Actually, those are EU sanctions.
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