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Spar
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:18 pm

windy95 wrote:
Those peace loving Iranians seized two British oil tankers today.

Seems to be retaliation for those peace loving British seizing an Iranian tanker.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:27 pm

Spar wrote:
windy95 wrote:
Those peace loving Iranians seized two British oil tankers today.

Seems to be retaliation for those peace loving British seizing an Iranian tanker.


Complying with EU sanctions. The British vessels are not violating any known sanctions. With the seizure of multiple vessels and the shooting down of a US drone it appears that it is the Iranians who are being the aggressors.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:35 pm

windy95 wrote:
Spar wrote:
windy95 wrote:
Those peace loving Iranians seized two British oil tankers today.

Seems to be retaliation for those peace loving British seizing an Iranian tanker.


Complying with EU sanctions. The British vessels are not violating any known sanctions. With the seizure of multiple vessels and the shooting down of a US drone it appears that it is the Iranians who are being the aggressors.


They are being strangled economically and are defending their interests in the region against GCC hegemony - it’s called ‘realpolitik’. There are a lot of ‘aggressors’ in this part of the world. Read up on things before choosing sides like a schoolyard bystander.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:06 pm

It's surprising that with all the western navy ships in the area that a quick SOS didn't bring some navy ship running.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:36 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
windy95 wrote:
Spar wrote:
Seems to be retaliation for those peace loving British seizing an Iranian tanker.


Complying with EU sanctions. The British vessels are not violating any known sanctions. With the seizure of multiple vessels and the shooting down of a US drone it appears that it is the Iranians who are being the aggressors.


They are being strangled economically and are defending their interests in the region against GCC hegemony - it’s called ‘realpolitik’. There are a lot of ‘aggressors’ in this part of the world. Read up on things before choosing sides like a schoolyard bystander.


Strangled economically...yes, because of their choices to pursue nuclear weapons while summarily promising death to Israel. Maybe you should head your advice and not support a terrorist sponsoring country?
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:38 pm

windy95 wrote:
Those peace loving Iranians seized two British oil tankers today.

The U.K.-flagged Stena Impero, which has a crew of 23 aboard, “was approached by unidentified small crafts and a helicopter during transit of the Strait of Hormuz while the vessel was in international waters,” Stena Bulk, the shipping company that owns the vessel, said in a statement. "We are presently unable to contact the vessel which is now heading north towards Iran."

"Approximately an hour later, a Liberian-flagged tanker operated by a British company was also seized by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and was seen on maritime tracking services making a turn toward Iran".


https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-revo ... -of-hormuz


Yep, and as expected you already have the folks with no idea about what is actually going on in the region making excuses for their actions.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:59 pm

LittleSprocket wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
windy95 wrote:

Complying with EU sanctions. The British vessels are not violating any known sanctions. With the seizure of multiple vessels and the shooting down of a US drone it appears that it is the Iranians who are being the aggressors.


They are being strangled economically and are defending their interests in the region against GCC hegemony - it’s called ‘realpolitik’. There are a lot of ‘aggressors’ in this part of the world. Read up on things before choosing sides like a schoolyard bystander.


Strangled economically...yes, because of their choices to pursue nuclear weapons while summarily promising death to Israel. Maybe you should head your advice and not support a terrorist sponsoring country?


IAEA has said they were compliant with JCPOA provisions. They reversed course after the US pulled out.

As to your second point, sure that sounds nice, but you’ll have to convince the US to stop supporting GCC ‘friends’ who are also terror actors.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:30 am

That's just what we all needed, that draft dodging (aren't most of the more bellicose US politicians of that generation), buffoon Bolton. With his systematic campaign of ramping up tensions, for his long cherished, last chance of a hard-on, that attacking Iran would bring. And screw the consequences, something has to make up for a career of epic chickenhawk proportions.
Aided by his nominal boss, being clueless about everything. Apart from his predecessor doing a deal agreed with all US allies worthy of the name, including those with skin in the game in the region, so of course, it must be bad. He did not get the credit for it, after all.

So what if we don't like the Iranian regime, that's up to Iranians to change, they did before, the 'unassailable one' the US (and UK), foisted on the Iranians in 1953.
In any case, are they worse than the Saudis, y'know where 15 of the 19 Sept 11th hijackers came from. Worse than the Iranians for internal repression? No.
What about sponsoring violence abroad, well Saudi Arabia is working hard to match, overtake Iran even, in that area, from killing enemies of the state abroad, to direct involvement in aggression in the region.
The they who must not be questioned, let alone challenged.

The Iranians picked their moment, an outgoing, weakened PM (who really cannot hand this on to her likely successor, given that he's a proven idiot), just before reinforcements for the RN in the area, already announced, arrive on station.

Whatever happens, one thing is for sure, in dealing with the tanker, however it's done, the hands of that administration so accurately noted by the outgoing Ambassador to the US, need to be kept well away, they are not much more trustworthy as the Iranians, both with their own agendas.
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:01 am

GDB wrote:
That's just what we all needed, that draft dodging (aren't most of the more bellicose US politicians of that generation), buffoon Bolton. With his systematic campaign of ramping up tensions, for his long cherished, last chance of a hard-on, that attacking Iran would bring. And screw the consequences, something has to make up for a career of epic chickenhawk proportions.
Aided by his nominal boss, being clueless about everything. Apart from his predecessor doing a deal agreed with all US allies worthy of the name, including those with skin in the game in the region, so of course, it must be bad. He did not get the credit for it, after all.

So what if we don't like the Iranian regime, that's up to Iranians to change, they did before, the 'unassailable one' the US (and UK), foisted on the Iranians in 1953.
In any case, are they worse than the Saudis, y'know where 15 of the 19 Sept 11th hijackers came from. Worse than the Iranians for internal repression? No.
What about sponsoring violence abroad, well Saudi Arabia is working hard to match, overtake Iran even, in that area, from killing enemies of the state abroad, to direct involvement in aggression in the region.
The they who must not be questioned, let alone challenged.

The Iranians picked their moment, an outgoing, weakened PM (who really cannot hand this on to her likely successor, given that he's a proven idiot), just before reinforcements for the RN in the area, already announced, arrive on station.

Whatever happens, one thing is for sure, in dealing with the tanker, however it's done, the hands of that administration so accurately noted by the outgoing Ambassador to the US, need to be kept well away, they are not much more trustworthy as the Iranians, both with their own agendas.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:27 pm

Update, the Royal Navy will now be offering an escort service if booked in advance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49110331
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:20 pm

windy95 wrote:
Spar wrote:
windy95 wrote:
Those peace loving Iranians seized two British oil tankers today.

Seems to be retaliation for those peace loving British seizing an Iranian tanker.


Complying with EU sanctions. The British vessels are not violating any known sanctions. With the seizure of multiple vessels and the shooting down of a US drone it appears that it is the Iranians who are being the aggressors.


The EU doesn't enforce sanctions on non EU countries. And it's the US who asked Gibraltar to seize it.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:46 pm

The foolish Danish government is ready to fling themselves headlong into a conflict with Iran:

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/reger ... uzstraedet

Sure, what on earth could go wrong, it is not as if Denmark has a massive commercial fleet that could be impacted... :roll:
 
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:16 am

Iran is keeping up the pressure in the area having seized another tanker.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49225916
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:41 am

VSMUT wrote:
The foolish Danish government is ready to fling themselves headlong into a conflict with Iran:

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/reger ... uzstraedet

Sure, what on earth could go wrong, it is not as if Denmark has a massive commercial fleet that could be impacted... :roll:


Sure. Those danish slackers, hanging back at 5th place in merchant fleets. :-)
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:37 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
Iran is keeping up the pressure in the area having seized another tanker.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49225916


According to Iran, the ship was smuggling Iranian diesel fuel - which is subsidized and meant only for use by Iranian citizens - to other countries, wher the fuel would fetch a much higher price.

"...smuggling has been a source of concern in Iran. Iranian media reported last month that some 8 million liters of government-subsidized Iranian fuel are smuggled daily to other countries where prices are much higher."

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/report-iran-seizes-tanker-carrying-smuggled-fuel-64764074

If that is the case, Iran was well within its rights to stop the ship.
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Re: Big trouble in the Gulf of Oman

Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:03 pm

That explains why it’s been a non-story.
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