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Any e-bike owners or users?

Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:50 am

Last year I used electric bikes in Italy (specifically the region between Asti and Alba) and Copenhagen, and I had such good experiences with them that I wanted to buy one. Well last week I finally did, for $2,450 (there's cheaper ones, but the one I bought fit my needs the most). It's a Blix Aveny with a battery that has a maximum range of 40 miles plus a throttle that can take you at up to 20 miles per hour without any pedaling. I've been using it to get between home and the train station (a distance of around 9 miles one-way), which I usually did with my parents' cars but I'm trying to reduce the amount of my car usage. So far it's been pretty good. Even on hot and humid days I don't break a sweat, hills are easy to conquer, and headwinds don't slow me down.

Anyone else have an e-bike or used an e-bike before? How was your experience?
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Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:01 am

30km/h? That is fast for a bike. Do you use a helm?
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Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:13 am

My first experience with an e-bike was falling off and breaking my wrist because I slipped on the wet sidewalk due to the totally unsafe acceleration of those things.
 
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Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:27 am

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My first experience with an e-bike was falling off and breaking my wrist because I slipped on the wet sidewalk due to the totally unsafe acceleration of those things.


you mean you are incompetent to ride an e-bike.
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Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:06 pm

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30km/h? That is fast for a bike. Do you use a helm?


Yes I use a helmet.

If I had to guess my average speed on a one-way trip it would probably be 10-11 miles per hour. I hit 20 where the road is straight for a long length and there's no major intersections I have to worry about.
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Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:27 pm

I have a company car, that's my excuse to not bike to my job even though it's very close (but with a steep hill to climb).

Here in France the electric scooters are all the rage, with the caveat that as you age, your reflexes and ability to stand on them diminishes, leading to many accidents (and of course, no helmet, and riders use sidewalks to zoom past people on those).
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Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:17 am

My personal view of e-bikes is this: if you're not too old or not disabled in some way, you have no excuse for riding an e-bike. The whole point of a bicycle is to get in shape, that's what the pedals are there for.

Aesma wrote:
I have a company car, that's my excuse to not bike to my job even though it's very close (but with a steep hill to climb).

Here in France the electric scooters are all the rage, with the caveat that as you age, your reflexes and ability to stand on them diminishes, leading to many accidents (and of course, no helmet, and riders use sidewalks to zoom past people on those).



They're taking over the streets in Poland as well, lots of accidents, careless riders.
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:03 pm

When e-bikes first really came on the scene several years ago I imagined what I would like. Biking a lot in Seattle those hills going from seal level to 475 feet or so was really too much. We might hit three of those on a single ride, and then getting back home was another 450 foot climb. Hence my dream. Something that could provide about half the effort needed to climb 500 feet, could recharge going down hill (I also didn't like speeding down hill, so the braking recharge would be great). Battery perhaps just big enough to ensure assist for at least 3 hills (I'd save some assist for that last climb). I think a bike which could do this well would have some sort of internal shifter at the back wheel. Tubes would contain the battery packs. I knew one commuter who simply could not climb the hill comfortably at the end of the day, she used a bus. But assist would be faster and more reliable.
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My personal view of e-bikes is this: if you're not too old or not disabled in some way, you have no excuse for riding an e-bike. The whole point of a bicycle is to get in shape, that's what the pedals are there for.


Well you can do both, and now you can do it with the same bike. Using it as transportation, while in work clothes, not wanting to sweat. Using it for sport, disabling the system (and having to carry the weight of it).
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:27 am

Aesma wrote:
Redd wrote:
My personal view of e-bikes is this: if you're not too old or not disabled in some way, you have no excuse for riding an e-bike. The whole point of a bicycle is to get in shape, that's what the pedals are there for.


Well you can do both, and now you can do it with the same bike. Using it as transportation, while in work clothes, not wanting to sweat. Using it for sport, disabling the system (and having to carry the weight of it).


You can also cut down the motor support, in fact in Germany they only add power and you can't use them without peddling, and adjust to your needs. When you ride in groups some may be more fit than others too...

And funny ... I always thought I'd use a bike because they are neat, convenient, within cities often faster than cars and have almost no parking problem....

Saying bikes are for sport is like saying cars are for racing...

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Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:28 am

frmrCapCadet wrote:
could recharge going down hill (I also didn't like speeding down hill, so the braking recharge would be great).


Also good to keep breakes from overheating downhill...

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Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:18 pm

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Saying bikes are for sport is like saying cars are for racing...

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Cycling is the most watched sport in the world and has a heritage reaching back professionally well over 100 years, but yeah bikes are not for sport.....
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:55 pm

Aesma wrote:
I have a company car, that's my excuse to not bike to my job even though it's very close (but with a steep hill to climb).

Here in France the electric scooters are all the rage, with the caveat that as you age, your reflexes and ability to stand on them diminishes, leading to many accidents (and of course, no helmet, and riders use sidewalks to zoom past people on those).


My city has ruled electric scooters are vehicles so they have to go on bike lanes and have to slow down to walking pace on sidewalks. Helmets are mandatory too.

A good few thousands worth of fines have been collected already.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:29 pm

The whole point of an e-bike is:
1/It is good for the environment when you ise it insteadnof using the car.
2/Less congestuon on the roads.
3/It gives you plenty of activity and excercise.


Redd wrote:
My personal view of e-bikes is this: if you're not too old or not disabled in some way, you have no excuse for riding an e-bike. The whole point of a bicycle is to get in shape, that's what the pedals are there for.

Aesma wrote:
I have a company car, that's my excuse to not bike to my job even though it's very close (but with a steep hill to climb).

Here in France the electric scooters are all the rage, with the caveat that as you age, your reflexes and ability to stand on them diminishes, leading to many accidents (and of course, no helmet, and riders use sidewalks to zoom past people on those).



They're taking over the streets in Poland as well, lots of accidents, careless riders.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:32 am

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tommy1808 wrote:
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Saying bikes are for sport is like saying cars are for racing...

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Cycling is the most watched sport in the world and has a heritage reaching back professionally well over 100 years, but yeah bikes are not for sport.....


There is also car racing...
Your point was "The whole point of a bicycle is to get in shape, that's what the pedals are there for. ", which is hogwash. Most people use a bike to get from a to b and they would also use a bike if it did jack for your shape.

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:43 am

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Redd wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
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Saying bikes are for sport is like saying cars are for racing...

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Cycling is the most watched sport in the world and has a heritage reaching back professionally well over 100 years, but yeah bikes are not for sport.....


There is also car racing...
Your point was "The whole point of a bicycle is to get in shape, that's what the pedals are there for. ", which is hogwash. Most people use a bike to get from a to b and they would also use a bike if it did jack for your shape.

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You're missing some key points. A race car does not constitute exercise, 99.9% of the population will never own or drive a race car. Millions of people use cycling for sport, in the shape of road training/racing or MTB off-roading. Even while commuting, the moment you start to turn those pedals it is exercise, the rider is using their muscles to create motion and is burning calories.

I don't know how it where you live, but even in Copenhagen if you ask people why they cycle to work, keeping fit will be in EVERYBODY's top three reasons. I'm sure it's the same where you live as well.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:51 am

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You're missing some key points. A race car does not constitute exercise,


you have never been in a race car, have you? That easily makes for a good upper body workout.

I don't know how it where you live, but even in Copenhagen if you ask people why they cycle to work, keeping fit will be in EVERYBODY's top three reasons. I'm sure it's the same where you live as well.


there is no question that it is a benefit of cycling, the interesting follow up question is: would they also cycle to work if they only had the other two reasons.

If you ask people why they use the car to get to work, being protected from the elements will also often be among the top 3 reasons to do that, that doesn´t mean "Cars are to protect from rain".

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:34 am

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30km/h? That is fast for a bike. Do you use a helm?



30km/h isn't that fast given some of the frankenstein e-bikes we see around here without power or speed limitations. Some of them a really fast.

My own ride to work, I average 35km/h for the entire ride some days (including stops and starts). The motor on that bike is me, not an electric one. ;)

I'm okay with the e-bikes, if they get more people riding and less driving, then it's a good thing.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:08 pm

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Redd wrote:
You're missing some key points. A race car does not constitute exercise,


you have never been in a race car, have you? That easily makes for a good upper body workout.

I don't know how it where you live, but even in Copenhagen if you ask people why they cycle to work, keeping fit will be in EVERYBODY's top three reasons. I'm sure it's the same where you live as well.


there is no question that it is a benefit of cycling, the interesting follow up question is: would they also cycle to work if they only had the other two reasons.

If you ask people why they use the car to get to work, being protected from the elements will also often be among the top 3 reasons to do that, that doesn´t mean "Cars are to protect from rain".

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Yes, I have driven a race car. Many actually and in a few different types of racing. Even with non-power steering cars, I've never felt like I'm getting a workout.

As to your follow up question, would people ride to work if the benefits of exercise weren't a consequence of cycling? First off, and I mean this with the most utmost respect, but that's a bit of a silly question as exercise cannot be divided away from cycling. It's like the 2nd conditional in the English language, something which cannot be true.

Ask the people around you today who cycle to work why they do it, ask them for 3 reasons. Plz report back ;) I'll do it tomorrow as I'm working from home today.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:24 pm

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30km/h? That is fast for a bike. Do you use a helm?



30km/h isn't that fast given some of the frankenstein e-bikes we see around here without power or speed limitations. Some of them a really fast.

My own ride to work, I average 35km/h for the entire ride some days (including stops and starts). The motor on that bike is me, not an electric one. ;)

I'm okay with the e-bikes, if they get more people riding and less driving, then it's a good thing.


Yes, I average more than 35km/h on my race bike, I was pressed to wear a helmet by a friend of mine. :lol:
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What's the difference between an ebike and an electrically powered motorbike?
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What's the difference between an ebike and an electrically powered motorbike?


E-bikes are supposed to be slower and the electric function is an assistance feature that helps you, provided you are still turning the pedals.

Motorbike isn't like that.
 
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What's the difference between an ebike and an electrically powered motorbike?


E-bikes are supposed to be slower and the electric function is an assistance feature that helps you, provided you are still turning the pedals.

Motorbike isn't like that.

What about ebikes that can run at 50+ km/h and can operate without pedal?
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cpd wrote:
c933103 wrote:
What's the difference between an ebike and an electrically powered motorbike?


E-bikes are supposed to be slower and the electric function is an assistance feature that helps you, provided you are still turning the pedals.

Motorbike isn't like that.

What about ebikes that can run at 50+ km/h and can operate without pedal?


This is an issue especially on major urban trails. Walkers, strollers, and strollers holding kids, runners, wheel chairs and bicycles all sharing the same 10 foot (?) right of way. A bicycle going much faster than a runner simply does not fit in. My guess is that such trails should have a 15 mph limit. Likely electric bikes should be registered and have some sort of ID (plates? electronic?) if they are going to go on an dedicated non-motor trail. Camera/radar enforced.
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c933103 wrote:
cpd wrote:

E-bikes are supposed to be slower and the electric function is an assistance feature that helps you, provided you are still turning the pedals.

Motorbike isn't like that.

What about ebikes that can run at 50+ km/h and can operate without pedal?


This is an issue especially on major urban trails. Walkers, strollers, and strollers holding kids, runners, wheel chairs and bicycles all sharing the same 10 foot (?) right of way. A bicycle going much faster than a runner simply does not fit in. My guess is that such trails should have a 15 mph limit. Likely electric bikes should be registered and have some sort of ID (plates? electronic?) if they are going to go on an dedicated non-motor trail. Camera/radar enforced.

Fast e-bikes (with support over 25km/h) require a licence plate in Belgium, surely in other countries too. And of course, everybody in traffic needs to follow the rules. If max speed on a road is 30km/h, then you risk a fine going faster, regardless what your ride is.

Unfortunately, there seems to be something about transportation devices that makes some people turn into jerks when operating them. This certainly isn’t a typical e-bike thing.
 
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[twoid][/twoid]
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c933103 wrote:
What about ebikes that can run at 50+ km/h and can operate without pedal?


This is an issue especially on major urban trails. Walkers, strollers, and strollers holding kids, runners, wheel chairs and bicycles all sharing the same 10 foot (?) right of way. A bicycle going much faster than a runner simply does not fit in. My guess is that such trails should have a 15 mph limit. Likely electric bikes should be registered and have some sort of ID (plates? electronic?) if they are going to go on an dedicated non-motor trail. Camera/radar enforced.

Fast e-bikes (with support over 25km/h) require a licence plate in Belgium, surely in other countries too. And of course, everybody in traffic needs to follow the rules. If max speed on a road is 30km/h, then you risk a fine going faster, regardless what your ride is.

Unfortunately, there seems to be something about transportation devices that makes some people turn into jerks when operating them. This certainly isn’t a typical e-bike thing.


Sensible riding is key. I’m not on an e-bike, but I still can go pretty fast (bike is a very light Canyon CF Evo). Around walkers, especially those with kids or dogs you have to go slower. When it is clear again, I go faster.
 
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[twoid][/twoid]
Jalap wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:

This is an issue especially on major urban trails. Walkers, strollers, and strollers holding kids, runners, wheel chairs and bicycles all sharing the same 10 foot (?) right of way. A bicycle going much faster than a runner simply does not fit in. My guess is that such trails should have a 15 mph limit. Likely electric bikes should be registered and have some sort of ID (plates? electronic?) if they are going to go on an dedicated non-motor trail. Camera/radar enforced.

Fast e-bikes (with support over 25km/h) require a licence plate in Belgium, surely in other countries too. And of course, everybody in traffic needs to follow the rules. If max speed on a road is 30km/h, then you risk a fine going faster, regardless what your ride is.

Unfortunately, there seems to be something about transportation devices that makes some people turn into jerks when operating them. This certainly isn’t a typical e-bike thing.


Sensible riding is key. I’m not on an e-bike, but I still can go pretty fast (bike is a very light Canyon CF Evo). Around walkers, especially those with kids or dogs you have to go slower. When it is clear again, I go faster.


And then there's people who have headphones in or are just completely oblivious no matter how much I signal my approach.
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In Europe e-bike are limited to assistance up to 25kmh. Above that they are classified as motorbikes. My 105km round trip to work (with 850m climb) was reasible when I wa younger and fitter. Now woth en EU legal ebike I have an average speed of 35kmh. Most of the distance is done with no electrical assistance but the hills are much easier.
 
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I don't know how it where you live, but even in Copenhagen if you ask people why they cycle to work, keeping fit will be in EVERYBODY's top three reasons. I'm sure it's the same where you live as well.

My god, your arrogance is stupefying. Copenhagen cycling is "fitness"? That city is practically flat! That's not exercise, that's coasting while occasional touching the pedals. No wonder you cycle so much, you don't have to do hardly any work!

You want to get your exercise on your way to work, go someplace like this:

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Biking a lot in Seattle those hills going from seal level to 475 feet or so was really too much. We might hit three of those on a single ride, and then getting back home was another 450 foot climb.


I cycled everywhere in my hometown when I was younger, showing up to school sweating was fine. And I was fit in away that would put a Copenhagen cycler to shame. Try a nice 700 foot rise over 2 miles every day. And because of a valley between you get to do it twice (yes the downhill in nice but you then get more up hill. I love the flats, could move quite nicely with very little effort. That was the fun easy cycling.

Does that sound arrogant enough?

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When I was in Copenhagen I asked why anyone would need gears with all that level territory. Answer: Wind. Of course, wind produces the equivalent of hills - both down hill and up!
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I don't know how it where you live, but even in Copenhagen if you ask people why they cycle to work, keeping fit will be in EVERYBODY's top three reasons. I'm sure it's the same where you live as well.

My god, your arrogance is stupefying. Copenhagen cycling is "fitness"? That city is practically flat! That's not exercise, that's coasting while occasional touching the pedals. No wonder you cycle so much, you don't have to do hardly any work!

You want to get your exercise on your way to work, go someplace like this:

frmrCapCadet wrote:
Biking a lot in Seattle those hills going from seal level to 475 feet or so was really too much. We might hit three of those on a single ride, and then getting back home was another 450 foot climb.


I cycled everywhere in my hometown when I was younger, showing up to school sweating was fine. And I was fit in away that would put a Copenhagen cycler to shame. Try a nice 700 foot rise over 2 miles every day. And because of a valley between you get to do it twice (yes the downhill in nice but you then get more up hill. I love the flats, could move quite nicely with very little effort. That was the fun easy cycling.

Does that sound arrogant enough?

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You want arrogant, well how about you try to read what someone has written, process that, understand that and respond accordingly... and it's cyclist BTW ;)

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When I was in Copenhagen I asked why anyone would need gears with all that level territory. Answer: Wind. Of course, wind produces the equivalent of hills - both down hill and up!

Yes, sort of, in a way. But looking at the wind for there, it is only about 4mph on average more than my area.
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And wind is at your back for one direction of your commute (in general) so the overall impact is often mostly neutralized. Gears do the rest.

My whole point though is that being arrogant about e-bikes as a rule, as a frame of mind, is nonsensical. Sure, if someone uses the "e" part solely, then yes that is not really "fit" or cycling, that is motor-biking (motor-cycling?). But the "e" can be a wonderful addition for many areas and get many more people out and cycling and enjoying it more (which is what actually gets more people doing anything).

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[and there is no such thing as a cycler ;)

I know. :wave:

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