Trump brings in tanks for 4th of July celebration in Washington DC

Mortyman · Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:43 am

Trump brings in tanks for 4th of July celebration in Washington DC

https://apnews.com/2e98f1c80ef9449fa1d4a95ff63258c0

DIRECTFLT · Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:37 am

I'd recommend that he roll these down the Mall:

If that didn't do the trick, then he could have "Detention" cages displayed on flatbeds.

Meltdown ensues. :spin:

ltbewr · Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:44 am

I am sorry to say this, but I hope that the evening in particular for Trump is ruined by massive thunderstorms.
The 4th of July is the day in which the Declaration of Independence saw its first signatures, a peaceful act of defiance, not violence or war. Celebrating the day with a display of our military might is an insult to the meaning of the day. This is a massive ego trip by Pres. Trump, a way to push for loyalty to him, not so much our country, by a President who is far from being a real patriot, just some money grubbing jerk. I can't wait for the day he is out of office by losing in 2020, Impeached and removed or dies a natural death and we can return to sanity.

aviationaware · Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:59 am

He's bringing brand new Sherman tanks y'all. Sit tight. They could be a while before production is ramped up again.

ltbewr wrote:
The 4th of July is the day in which the Declaration of Independence saw its first signatures, a peaceful act of defiance, not violence or war.

You do know that we fought a war over our independence, don't you?

ltbewr · Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:26 am

aviationaware wrote:
He's bringing brand new Sherman tanks y'all. Sit tight. They could be a while before production is ramped up again.

ltbewr wrote:
The 4th of July is the day in which the Declaration of Independence saw its first signatures, a peaceful act of defiance, not violence or war.

You do know that we fought a war over our independence, don't you?

Yes, and living all my life in New Jersey thick with places connected with the War for Independence I am aware of it. The War had been going on for months before the Declaration, and continued for several years. My point is that we should celebrate our independence, the creation of our nation, not have it become a celebration of war. We have other days to recognize our military, our losses of lives in wars.

ParkFSI · Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:34 pm

ltbewr wrote:
I am sorry to say this, but I hope that the evening in particular for Trump is ruined by massive thunderstorms.
The 4th of July is the day in which the Declaration of Independence saw its first signatures, a peaceful act of defiance, not violence or war. Celebrating the day with a display of our military might is an insult to the meaning of the day. This is a massive ego trip by Pres. Trump, a way to push for loyalty to him, not so much our country, by a President who is far from being a real patriot, just some money grubbing jerk. I can't wait for the day he is out of office by losing in 2020, Impeached and removed or dies a natural death and we can return to sanity.

He’s most likely to be re-elected / impeached for what / you just lowered yourself below what you think of him by wishing death to someone / what kind of sanity would we return to ?

casinterest · Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:42 pm

Trump is taking a non-partisan event and turning it into something else. Typical pathetic cowardice from the lying racist.
The RNC is giving out tickets,
they have moved the fireworks display,
They are showing military might on a day where we declared our independence from a country that ruled by military might.

Trump should be ashamed, but he has no conscience.

What he says on July 4th will be watched closely.

DIRECTFLT · Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:48 pm

ltbewr wrote:
The 4th of July is the day in which the Declaration of Independence saw its first signatures, a peaceful act of defiance, not violence or war.

The Lee Resolution (also known as "The Resolution for Independence") was the formal assertion passed by the Second Continental Congress on July 2, 1776 which declared the establishment of a new country of united colonies as independent from the British Empire, creating what became the United States of America. News of this act was published that evening in the Pennsylvania Evening Post and the next day in the Pennsylvania Gazette. The text of the document formally announcing this action was the Declaration of Independence, approved two days later on July 4, 1776, which is celebrated as Independence Day.

"Resolved, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved.

That it is expedient forthwith to take the most effectual measures for forming foreign Alliances.

That a plan of confederation be prepared and transmitted to the respective Colonies for their consideration and approbation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Resolution

einsteinboricua · Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:56 pm

Talk about the biggest case of SPS I've ever seen.

I'm sure Congress (in particular, the GOP-led Senate) will approve funds to repair the streets in DC if they're damaged by tanks. Or is this one of those "you're on your own" scenarios?

Aesma · Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:21 pm

In Paris it does indeed damage the pavement each year, especially where the tanks turn.

seb146 · Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:36 pm

It looked "cool" in Paris and the dictators he loves oh, so much do this all the time. He just wants to look like the ones he admires. That money could be spent on veteran's care or health care in general or education or hiring more agents to process the migrants at the border being held in cages and tents with no hygiene products

jdstJD · Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:45 pm

aviationaware wrote:
He's bringing brand new Sherman tanks y'all. Sit tight. They could be a while before production is ramped up again.

ltbewr wrote:
The 4th of July is the day in which the Declaration of Independence saw its first signatures, a peaceful act of defiance, not violence or war.

You do know that we fought a war over our independence, don't you?

In the words of Tony Stark: “My dad used to say that the greatest weapon a country can have is the one you never have to use”. (Something like that...guess I shouldn’t have used quotes). The U.S. demonstrates its power by the mere fact that the world knows we have the baddest, most sophisticated and lethal weapons on the planet. We never have to flaunt them to show them off and basically have a proverbial d/(& measuring contest. We just sit back and rest assured the world knows not to mess with us. Rolling tanks down the street and flying out jets over the parade is flashy and in poor taste. What is wrong with this man?

YoungDon · Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:29 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
Talk about the biggest case of SPS I've ever seen.

I'm sure Congress (in particular, the GOP-led Senate) will approve funds to repair the streets in DC if they're damaged by tanks. Or is this one of those "you're on your own" scenarios?

The city government has made this case both this year and last year when Trump wanted to do this. There will be damage on some level.

The question is which outcome is more likely after that damage - that Congress reimburses DC for repair costs, or that they don't and the Administration tries to eventually blame DC's torn-up streets on the city's leadership (which just so happens to be very liberal)? I think I know the answer to that one...

casinterest · Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:35 pm

YoungDon wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
Talk about the biggest case of SPS I've ever seen.

I'm sure Congress (in particular, the GOP-led Senate) will approve funds to repair the streets in DC if they're damaged by tanks. Or is this one of those "you're on your own" scenarios?

The city government has made this case both this year and last year when Trump wanted to do this. There will be damage on some level.

The question is which outcome is more likely after that damage - that Congress reimburses DC for repair costs, or that they don't and the Administration tries to eventually blame DC's torn-up streets on the city's leadership (which just so happens to be very liberal)? I think I know the answer to that one...

People are trying to already find out the cost associated with this political rally Trump is trying to throw. It will be very interesting to see the fallout. Word is , he will try to highlight homelessness, in order to further blame the liberal cities. This homelessness theme is something that has come up regularly lately on right wing shows and radio. They like to blame folks, but offer no solutions.

Tugger · Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:57 pm

jdstJD wrote:
The U.S. demonstrates its power by the mere fact that the world knows we have the baddest, most sophisticated and lethal weapons on the planet. We never have to flaunt them to show them off and basically have a proverbial d/(& measuring contest. We just sit back and rest assured the world knows not to mess with us. Rolling tanks down the street and flying out jets over the parade is flashy and in poor taste. What is wrong with this man?

He operates on the basic level and premise of a bully. That is what he is and knows. And it works, it has served him well for a long time. He did in business forever, he grew up rich having more power than other kids and learned that lesson.

So now he is a bigger bully as the leader of the USA, richer with more powerful backing than ever before. He is who he is and is subject to his learned habits. He can't stop and is not able to think of more than "it works!" His limitations are obvious to most everyone and the world as well.

But still being a bully works. Not that I would ever allow my kids or people I am with be one. Some people just have lower or no standards.

Trump continues to be a poor president.

Tugg

Spar · Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:26 pm

This is obviously just a ploy on Trump's part to highlight the fact that he's a draft dodger.

What I can't figure out is why does he want to do that?

mham001 · Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:59 pm

casinterest wrote:
Word is , he will try to highlight homelessness, in order to further blame the liberal cities. This homelessness theme is something that has come up regularly lately on right wing shows and radio. They like to blame folks, but offer no solutions.

Is there something wrong with that? Is homelessness a problem worthy of federal interest, or not? Should the feds ignore it because it is a Republican administration?

BN747 · Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:24 pm

ParkFSI wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I am sorry to say this, but I hope that the evening in particular for Trump is ruined by massive thunderstorms.
The 4th of July is the day in which the Declaration of Independence saw its first signatures, a peaceful act of defiance, not violence or war. Celebrating the day with a display of our military might is an insult to the meaning of the day. This is a massive ego trip by Pres. Trump, a way to push for loyalty to him, not so much our country, by a President who is far from being a real patriot, just some money grubbing jerk. I can't wait for the day he is out of office by losing in 2020, Impeached and removed or dies a natural death and we can return to sanity.

He’s most likely to be re-elected / impeached for what / you just lowered yourself below what you think of him by wishing death to someone / what kind of sanity would we return to ?

He wasn't wishing death on anyone...the out-of-shape, very poor diet of cokes and cheeseburgers' (known facts) are self-inducing, destructive roadmaps to take a 70+ year old to the 6-feet underworld.

'Impeached and removed '...are necessary actions for an unstable, mistake prone, constitutionally unfaithful leader in a nation based on laws designed to protect and affirm the American govt.

..So what's your Beef?

If you see flaunting all that as sanity...I'd like to see your definition of 'insanity'.

Personal note: As a veteran, to make all those people forfeit their holiday to put on a show for -HIM.

It's down right pathetic, selfish and extremely narcissistic!

They will NOT be thrilled to be there!

And his demand that uniformed generals in full uniform flanking him - him, a yellow bellied, chicken-shit coward paints a picture of a Coward-in-Command. That's what you will see should you watch it while chowing down burgers, hot dogs, cokes, beer, etc. The Generals should all show in up in khaki shorts and T-shirts and leave their uniforms at home.

Then a private party for his 'friends'at the Lincoln memorial , Not the public..but his friends at taxpayer expense.

If none of you can see this charade for what is...then have some compassion for those out their sweating their asses off 'performing for him', not us (because we don't NEED it) he obviously...NEEDS this. It's as if a child came up with this and is getting his wish ..because he can. No adult, male or female with a minimal understanding of military might would 'think of something like this'.

You approve of that? Then it's telling YOU exactly where your head is. And it's no with any care for the troops nor for the senseless splurge and waste of taxpayer dollars.

There just is no way to endorse this in a sound mind.

Don't Vote Rapist
BN747

BN747 · Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:31 pm

mham001 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Word is , he will try to highlight homelessness, in order to further blame the liberal cities. This homelessness theme is something that has come up regularly lately on right wing shows and radio. They like to blame folks, but offer no solutions.

Is there something wrong with that? Is homelessness a problem worthy of federal interest, or not? Should the feds ignore it because it is a Republican administration?

Then the Republican Administration that created it, Reagan is your man to attack, Libs have been dogging him since for kicking millions onto the streets by eliminating a federal mental healthcare institution.

Don't Vote Rapist
BN747

casinterest · Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:49 am

mham001 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Word is , he will try to highlight homelessness, in order to further blame the liberal cities. This homelessness theme is something that has come up regularly lately on right wing shows and radio. They like to blame folks, but offer no solutions.

Is there something wrong with that? Is homelessness a problem worthy of federal interest, or not? Should the feds ignore it because it is a Republican administration?

Let's think for second perhaps.
Who passed the tax act that screwed over the lower classes at the expense of the rich?
Who keeps trying to cut Obamacare?
Who keeps trying cut food stamps?
Who keeps trying to cut out social security?
Do you or any of your brain warped trumpers pay attention to what the hell your party actually supports?

Then fpr the GOP and it's pandering right wing psychotics pay lip service to the homeless?
The only thing the GOP wants to do is lock them up as kickbacks to the private prison system.

seb146 · Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:50 am

mham001 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Word is , he will try to highlight homelessness, in order to further blame the liberal cities. This homelessness theme is something that has come up regularly lately on right wing shows and radio. They like to blame folks, but offer no solutions.

Is there something wrong with that? Is homelessness a problem worthy of federal interest, or not? Should the feds ignore it because it is a Republican administration?

Democrats have been trying to tell the country there is a problem with homeless for years.....

aviationaware · Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:22 am

seb146 wrote:
Democrats have been trying to tell the country there is a problem with homeless for years.....

Really? I only ever see them advocate for illegal aliens while at the same time we can't properly deal with the droves of homeless people who live predominantly in Democratic cities. Been to Maxine Waters' district lately? It's the pinnacle of shame.

Back to topic of the 4th of July thing, I keep seeing liberals attacking Trump for bringing up a military parade. Let's look at what John Adams, who of course had a hand in writing the Declaration of Independence, had to say about that:

John Adams wrote:
I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival. It ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires, and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever more.

seb146 · Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:46 am

aviationaware wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Democrats have been trying to tell the country there is a problem with homeless for years.....

Really? I only ever see them advocate for illegal aliens while at the same time we can't properly deal with the droves of homeless people who live predominantly in Democratic cities. Been to Maxine Waters' district lately? It's the pinnacle of shame.

And cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco and San Diego and Denver and Seattle and Portland and Dallas and Chicago still have homeless problems. This is not based on the party in power in the state legislature. Republicans insist we let the free market do what it does then blame "liberals" that there are so many homeless.

aviationaware wrote:
Back to topic of the 4th of July thing, I keep seeing liberals attacking Trump for bringing up a military parade. Let's look at what John Adams, who of course had a hand in writing the Declaration of Independence, had to say about that:

John Adams wrote:
I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival. It ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires, and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever more.

He says nothing at all about bowing to one president's demands. The original wars for independence were ordinary people fighting. Not one man believing he is superior to everyone and "HEY!!! LOOK AT ME!!!" He says nothing about celebrating "your favorite president: ME!!" to quote the occupant of the White House. What he is wanting is what dictators do. He is making it about him and his faction of the Republican party. Not the country.

He did not even serve in the military and whines about veterans every chance he gets.

jetwet1 · Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:56 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
Talk about the biggest case of SPS I've ever seen.

I'm sure Congress (in particular, the GOP-led Senate) will approve funds to repair the streets in DC if they're damaged by tanks. Or is this one of those "you're on your own" scenarios?

Well they still have not repaid DC for the inauguration, why would you think they would pay for any repairs ?

dragon-wings · Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:07 am

dragon-wings wrote:
I would not want to be flying in or out of KDCA on July 4th. They plan on suspending operations from 6:15pm to 7:45pm so the idot can have his fly overs.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/politics ... index.html

ltbewr · Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:20 am

I hope that no one watches Trump's 'speech' in person or on TV. Sadly CNN and FoxNews will show it. His hijacking for his ego and micromanaging of the events are beyond foolish. Oh, then on Friday, he is going to spend the weekend playing golf at his NJ club. What a waste he is.

bgm · Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:48 am

aviationaware wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Democrats have been trying to tell the country there is a problem with homeless for years.....

Really? I only ever see them advocate for illegal aliens while at the same time we can't properly deal with the droves of homeless people who live predominantly in Democratic cities. Been to Maxine Waters' district lately? It's the pinnacle of shame.

Back to topic of the 4th of July thing, I keep seeing liberals attacking Trump for bringing up a military parade. Let's look at what John Adams, who of course had a hand in writing the Declaration of Independence, had to say about that:

John Adams wrote:
I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival. It ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires, and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever more.

Don't see anything there about tanks, or some egotistical dictator-style parade to massage the ego of America's biggest man-child.

Nice try, but no.

Trump is an absolute disgrace to the US, its people, its institutions, not to mention its rapidly deteriorating reputation.

That vile piece of repugnant filth cannot get kicked to the curb soon enough.

dmg626 · Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:58 am

seb146 wrote:
mham001 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Word is , he will try to highlight homelessness, in order to further blame the liberal cities. This homelessness theme is something that has come up regularly lately on right wing shows and radio. They like to blame folks, but offer no solutions.

Is there something wrong with that? Is homelessness a problem worthy of federal interest, or not? Should the feds ignore it because it is a Republican administration?

Democrats have been trying to tell the country there is a problem with homeless for years.....

Democrats were in control for how many years and did what to “solve” the homeless issue?

MaverickM11 · Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:09 pm

dmg626 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
mham001 wrote:

Is there something wrong with that? Is homelessness a problem worthy of federal interest, or not? Should the feds ignore it because it is a Republican administration?

Democrats have been trying to tell the country there is a problem with homeless for years.....

Democrats were in control for how many years and did what to “solve” the homeless issue?

Depends on the city. Houston and Salt Lake City have made huge improvements. But let's be honest--you don't actually care about the homeless and you definitely don't care to learn about any solutions, especially because they'd require talking about healthcare and affordable housing, neither of which are solved by bibles, tax cuts, or guns. You just like using it as a distraction. When was the last time the right proposed anything remotely effective at reducing homelessness, poverty, and improving mental health?

casinterest · Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:32 pm

dmg626 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
mham001 wrote:

Is there something wrong with that? Is homelessness a problem worthy of federal interest, or not? Should the feds ignore it because it is a Republican administration?

Democrats have been trying to tell the country there is a problem with homeless for years.....

Democrats were in control for how many years and did what to “solve” the homeless issue?

A lot more than the Trump supporters that want to cut food stamps health care, medicare, and social security.
So go back to those blow hard lying cowards on the Right wing news stations.

casinterest · Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:18 pm

Something to watch for tomorrow, and it really highlights Trump's psyche.

"Trump’s efforts to control the rally should be seen in the context of his fear that the crowd will boo him. He is advertising the event on his Twitter feed, cordoning off the immediate area around his speech for ticket holders, and giving tickets away to Republican donors. Trump has “requested that the chiefs for the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines stand next to him.”

Get it? The service chiefs have to stand next to Trump as human patriotism bodyguards.

Trump has spent his presidency representing his supporters, without even bothering with the pretense of representing the majority that voted against him. He is attempting to conscript patriotic rituals into this effort. He deserves the reception he fears: loud, merciless boos."

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/ ... booed.html

I saw it on display at the 2018 National Championship game.

jetwet1 · Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:37 pm

Also there will be a Trump Baby blimp on site.

casinterest · Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:39 pm

jetwet1 wrote:
Also there will be a Trump Baby blimp on site.

They will not be allowed to inflate it. They can't let anything appear to be as big or empty as Trump.

einsteinboricua · Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:56 pm

aviationaware wrote:
Let's look at what John Adams, who of course had a hand in writing the Declaration of Independence, had to say about that:

I am intrigued at how folks cherrypick details and push only what suits their own agenda.

So John Adams sent a letter to his wife saying that he envisioned this day with pomp and parade, and because he's a Founding Father, it should be so. This is the same Founding Father who also said (in another letter) that "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion". It doesn't take a genius to interpolate that if this is the case, religion should play no part in politics.

Ah yes, the same Bible thumping, flag hugging Americans who said that John Adams's letter to Abigail is proof that we must celebrate the day with fanfare would also, given their way, erase any mention of the Treaty of Tripoli of 1796, where he makes clear that religion has no place in the federal government.

einsteinboricua · Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:57 pm

casinterest wrote:
They can't let anything appear to be as big or empty as Trump.

What about the tanks? They'll be big and likely empty (probably 1-2 people inside and most likely no ammo).

casinterest · Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:10 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
casinterest wrote:
They can't let anything appear to be as big or empty as Trump.

What about the tanks? They'll be big and likely empty (probably 1-2 people inside and most likely no ammo).

I thought Trump was fatter than a tank now? no?

Seriously though. Baby Trump can fload, they just can't use helium and have to keep it less than 6 feet off the ground.

einsteinboricua · Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:40 pm

casinterest wrote:
Baby Trump can fload, they just can't use helium and have to keep it less than 6 feet off the ground.

You mean hydrogen? No other gas can make a float float and if it's not helium, it would have to be hydrogen, which is extremely volatile (and being lighter than helium, would require more handlers) or methane (which is also volatile). You need a gas that's lighter than nitrogen and oxygen. I mean, you COULD fill the balloon with regular air, but it just wouldn't float.

casinterest · Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:41 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Baby Trump can fload, they just can't use helium and have to keep it less than 6 feet off the ground.

You mean hydrogen? No other gas can make a float float and if it's not helium, it would have to be hydrogen, which is extremely volatile (and being lighter than helium, would require more handlers) or methane (which is also volatile). You need a gas that's lighter than nitrogen and oxygen. I mean, you COULD fill the balloon with regular air, but it just wouldn't float.

I think Hydrogen as a flammable is already restricted in the park. I think people were thinking they would have to use regular "Bounce House:" blowers.

BN747 · Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:58 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
dmg626 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Democrats have been trying to tell the country there is a problem with homeless for years.....

Democrats were in control for how many years and did what to “solve” the homeless issue?

Depends on the city. Houston and Salt Lake City have made huge improvements. But let's be honest--you don't actually care about the homeless and you definitely don't care to learn about any solutions, especially because they'd require talking about healthcare and affordable housing, neither of which are solved by bibles, tax cuts, or guns. You just like using it as a distraction. When was the last time the right proposed anything remotely effective at reducing homelessness, poverty, and improving mental health?

That’s the problem with wingers, they can pitch a bitch above any and everything that irks them and things they no know nothing about..cause and or smart solutions are assuredly absent every single time.

Don’t Vote Rapist
BN747

alfa164 · Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:48 am

jetwet1 wrote:
Also there will be a Trump Baby blimp on site.

You mean there will be two Trumps filled with hot air and gas?

:roll:

YellowJ · Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:05 am

YoungDon wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
Talk about the biggest case of SPS I've ever seen.

I'm sure Congress (in particular, the GOP-led Senate) will approve funds to repair the streets in DC if they're damaged by tanks. Or is this one of those "you're on your own" scenarios?

The city government has made this case both this year and last year when Trump wanted to do this. There will be damage on some level.

The question is which outcome is more likely after that damage - that Congress reimburses DC for repair costs, or that they don't and the Administration tries to eventually blame DC's torn-up streets on the city's leadership (which just so happens to be very liberal)? I think I know the answer to that one...

The mayor said the tanks will damage the street/bridges; which is why they refused it every other time he's asked and she expects the government to cover all damage costs. She then went on to say the city were still waiting for re-reimbursement from the inaugural, 2 years ago. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were her, seeing as they haven't paid a almost 3 year old bill.

alfa164 · Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:23 pm

Here is a very well-thought-out and very well-written critique of the narcissist-in-chief's group grope:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... th-of-july

64947 · Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:29 pm

Don't see anything wrong with a yearly military parade showing off cool toys. Especially in the states where you guys are pretty gung ho about your armed forces. However I do think that said toys should be atleast looking like they get some TLC...

alfa164 · Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:54 pm

tu204 wrote:
Don't see anything wrong with a yearly military parade showing off cool toys. Especially in the states where you guys are pretty gung ho about your armed forces. However I do think that said toys should be atleast looking like they get some TLC...

In a totalitarian state, with no outstanding virtues except a crushing military, that might be true. In a country which, in throughout its history, has let its strength speak for itself, without ostentatious displays of military hardware, such chest-thumping has not only been unnecessary, but unwarranted.

Of course, under this president, all sense subtlety - and of history - is gone. Trump is not celebrating the Independence of our nation; he is preening and setting himself up to be the center of attention. It is galling because Independence Day is supposed to be a proud reminder of out democratic values - a democracy for the benefit of all of us. As Slate wrote:

Trump’s Independence Day constricts the occasion to his friends. That’s a short list, and it includes some surprising figures. Last Friday in Japan, Donald Trump had a congenial meeting with Vladimir Putin, the man who ordered attacks on American elections and set the tone on the eve of the G20 by announcing that “the liberal idea has become obsolete.” Asked whether he would tell Putin not to interfere with American elections, Trump informed the American press that it was “none of your business.” He called Mohammad Bin Salman—who among other brutal acts ordered the kidnapping, torture, and dismemberment of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi—“a friend of mine” who has done “a spectacular job.”

Tanks? No thanks. Just bring back the concept of a democracy that works for everyone.

64947 · Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:07 pm

alfa164 wrote:
tu204 wrote:
Don't see anything wrong with a yearly military parade showing off cool toys. Especially in the states where you guys are pretty gung ho about your armed forces. However I do think that said toys should be atleast looking like they get some TLC...

In a totalitarian state, with no outstanding virtues except a crushing military, that might be true. In a country which, in throughout its history, has let its strength speak for itself, without ostentatious displays of military hardware, such chest-thumping has not only been unnecessary, but unwarranted.

Of course, under this president, all sense subtlety - and of history - is gone. Trump is not celebrating the Independence of our nation; he is preening and setting himself up to be the center of attention. It is galling because Independence Day is supposed to be a proud reminder of out democratic values - a democracy for the benefit of all of us. As Slate wrote:

Can't agree with you here. These parades can be used to build up national pride and unity. Not a show of force to trump up one's image. And thats one thing I noticed in the US, is that you have quite a bit of pride in your armed forces. So I don't see the harm in "democracy" from having a parade or two that is supposed to bring people together. Especially now when your nation is so split.

However since it is so split I guess that there really isn't anything Trump can do that will make the other side happy. Anything he does is just discarted by the guys that are against pretty much anything he does.

seb146 · Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:31 pm

I always thought Independence Day was about celebrating what makes America great and our history and who we are as a nation. Not about one person. It was not ONLY George Washington who defeated the British. It was not ONLY Abraham Lincoln who defeated the traitorous South. It was not ONLY Eisenhower who defeated Hitler. Those took thousands of men and women.

Babyshark · Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:58 pm

Glad Trump is trying to make July 4th into a bigger celebration. Sad so many hate him and the people the vote for him so much they want it to go poorly.

Not really sad though. I think its telling.

Btw previous Presidents spoke on July 4th all the time.

And DC Military parades have included nuclear missiles. See here...

https://magaimg.net/img/8ddg.jpg

So not pc, amirite?

ual763 · Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:00 pm

seb146 wrote:
I always thought Independence Day was about celebrating what makes America great and our history and who we are as a nation. Not about one person. It was not ONLY George Washington who defeated the British. It was not ONLY Abraham Lincoln who defeated the traitorous South. It was not ONLY Eisenhower who defeated Hitler. Those took thousands of men and women.

Hence why we are celebrating the MILITARY today.

Babyshark · Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:04 pm

Babyshark wrote:
Glad Trump is trying to make July 4th into a bigger celebration. Sad so many hate him and the people the vote for him so much they want it to go poorly.

Not really sad though. I think its telling.

Btw previous Presidents spoke on July 4th all the time.

And DC Military parades have included nuclear missiles. See here...

https://magaimg.net/img/8ddg.jpg

So not pc, amirite?

Whoops wrong link.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trum ... auguration

alfa164 · Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:03 pm

Babyshark wrote:
Babyshark wrote:
Glad Trump is trying to make July 4th into a bigger celebration. Sad so many hate him and the people the vote for him so much they want it to go poorly. Not really sad though. I think its telling.

Btw previous Presidents spoke on July 4th all the time. And DC Military parades have included nuclear missiles. See here...
https://magaimg.net/img/8ddg.jpg

So not pc, amirite?

Whoops wrong link.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trum ... auguration

As your link show:

1) No "military parade" has ever occurred on the 4th of July;

2) Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy may have included military in their inaugurations - because
both had served in the military. President Bonespurs evaded that service, preferring instead to
serve his country on the golf course... while others sacrificed their lives on the battlefields.

3) Those previous parades mentioned occurred during times when the military was engaged, or soon
to be engaged, in great wars. With any luck at all, we have learned from those times, and moved
into a time when war is not our best solution to our differences.

Of course, there are those who seem to crave a return to a more militaristic posture - and the narcissist-in-chief seems to me among them. By inserting himself (and military tanks, over the military’s objections) into the event, and by conflating a celebration of American independence with a celebration of himself, Trump is trying to twist one of the few nonpartisan spectacles this country has left into an endorsement of the ugly policies he stands for, which includes “border security” so brutal, inhumane, and ineffective that people are dying in American custody.

It would be, though, more fitting to line the Mall with golf carts, in this case.

:roll:

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