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Mississippi gubernatorial candidate bars reporter for being female

Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:30 am

I wanted to title this "Mississippi gubernatorial candidate is gay" but I expect that would've made work for the moderators.

This guy's campaign team said that "they believed the optics of the candidate with a woman, even a working reporter, could be used in a smear campaign to insinuate an extramarital affair."

I'm not sure that I've ever heard a bigger load of BS from a non-Trump politician. We're not supposed to take away from this that Foster regularly fellates male "reporters?" I mean they're effectively saying what they believe the campaign bus is actually for.
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Re: Mississippi gubernatorial candidate bars reporter for being female

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:47 am

Airstud wrote:
I wanted to title this "Mississippi gubernatorial candidate is gay" but I expect that would've made work for the moderators.

This guy's campaign team said that "they believed the optics of the candidate with a woman, even a working reporter, could be used in a smear campaign to insinuate an extramarital affair."

I'm not sure that I've ever heard a bigger load of BS from a non-Trump politician. We're not supposed to take away from this that Foster regularly fellates male "reporters?" I mean they're effectively saying what they believe the campaign bus is actually for.


Without looking it could only be a conservative Republican, y'know the guys with huge Female issues...looked it up and of course, as expected.

He'll be out-clowned within a week by one out to one up him.

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Holy cow! I looked....and the guy is a young dude! And he's managed to Out-Pence'd... Mike Pence!???
How the hell is that possible in the 21st Century?

It's Mississippi after all...he could actually win, unbelievable....


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Re: Mississippi gubernatorial candidate bars reporter for being female

Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:57 am

Airstud wrote:
I wanted to title this "Mississippi gubernatorial candidate is gay" but I expect that would've made work for the moderators.

This guy's campaign team said that "they believed the optics of the candidate with a woman, even a working reporter, could be used in a smear campaign to insinuate an extramarital affair."

I'm not sure that I've ever heard a bigger load of BS from a non-Trump politician. We're not supposed to take away from this that Foster regularly fellates male "reporters?" I mean they're effectively saying what they believe the campaign bus is actually for.


Seeing as how the go to accusation of the Democratic Party has been to accuse of rape or infidelity no matter what the evidence proves... I don’t blame him one bit.
 
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Re: Mississippi gubernatorial candidate bars reporter for being female

Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:06 pm

Democrats don't care one bit about infidelity, and rape is another matter entirely.

They point out hypocrisy.

Like Airstud is suggesting, that guy has probably some stuff in his closet.

Even if some of his potential constituents follow similar rules, they don't care enough to vote on them, or Trump wouldn't be president.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:21 pm

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Seeing as how the go to accusation of the Democratic Party has been to accuse of rape or infidelity no matter what the evidence proves... I don’t blame him one bit.

I fully agree. If it were me I would prefer there be accountability through a third person in the room. It has nothing to do with the inability to control urges and everything to do with who people will believe if an accusation is made. Hint: it's not gonna be me. And given the Democrats' tendency to ask for officials to step down instead of allowing an investigation to yield results, I wouldn't take any chances.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:28 pm

This is what happens when you follow the idiocy of the snowflake Pence/Graham rule. Republicans are TERRIFIED by women. I've never seen such precious, deranged nutjobs.

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Like Airstud is suggesting, that guy has probably some stuff in his closet.

$1 says he's Duncan Hunter V2.0

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Airstud wrote:
I wanted to title this "Mississippi gubernatorial candidate is gay" but I expect that would've made work for the moderators.

This guy's campaign team said that "they believed the optics of the candidate with a woman, even a working reporter, could be used in a smear campaign to insinuate an extramarital affair."

I'm not sure that I've ever heard a bigger load of BS from a non-Trump politician. We're not supposed to take away from this that Foster regularly fellates male "reporters?" I mean they're effectively saying what they believe the campaign bus is actually for.


Seeing as how the go to accusation of the Democratic Party has been to accuse of rape or infidelity no matter what the evidence proves... I don’t blame him one bit.

Maybe Republicans could stop being/supporting rapists? Just a thought. Or they could drop the evangelical cancer from their ranks, since they're the only ones that allegedly care about infidelity, but then there'd be no GOP.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:45 pm

The good news is that candidate Robert Foster has been holding steady at 9% in the polls all this year. https://ballotpedia.org/Robert_Foster_(Mississippi)
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:02 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
LittleSprocket wrote:
Seeing as how the go to accusation of the Democratic Party has been to accuse of rape or infidelity no matter what the evidence proves... I don’t blame him one bit.

I fully agree. If it were me I would prefer there be accountability through a third person in the room. It has nothing to do with the inability to control urges and everything to do with who people will believe if an accusation is made. Hint: it's not gonna be me. And given the Democrats' tendency to ask for officials to step down instead of allowing an investigation to yield results, I wouldn't take any chances.


^ This. In the court of public opinion a man, any man, who is accused of any impropriety with a woman is considered guilty until proven innocent no matter how ludicrous or innocuous the accusation might be, plus once the man is proven innocent every time his name gets mentioned from then on there will be whispers of "You know, he was accused of ______ a while back...".

Foster is just playing it safe.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:04 pm

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The good news is that candidate Robert Foster has been holding steady at 9% in the polls all this year. https://ballotpedia.org/Robert_Foster_(Mississippi)


If half those voters were women, he just went to 4.5%...

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Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:40 am

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Maybe Republicans could stop being/supporting rapists?

See, this is likely why he doesn't want to be alone with a woman. He's already lumped into the group through the logic of "Republicans defend/are rapists; this guy is a Republican; ergo, this guy defends/is a rapist". He's not even being given the benefit of the doubt of being a more cautious Republican and one to ensure full transparency. It only takes one accusation to ruin someone's reputation and even if proven false, the accused never fully recovers.
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Re: Mississippi gubernatorial candidate bars reporter for being female

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:44 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Maybe Republicans could stop being/supporting rapists?

See, this is likely why he doesn't want to be alone with a woman. He's already lumped into the group through the logic of "Republicans defend/are rapists; this guy is a Republican; ergo, this guy defends/is a rapist". He's not even being given the benefit of the doubt of being a more cautious Republican and one to ensure full transparency. It only takes one accusation to ruin someone's reputation and even if proven false, the accused never fully recovers.

The accused never fully recovers? Like he ends up president or Supreme Court Justice? Or runs for senate not once but twice? Let's be honest, if this guy was Jewish or Muslim and demanded to not be sat next to women on a plane, all of you would spin your heads in frothing rage. The whole conceit of those religious books and this yahoo specifically is that women can't be trusted, and certainly can never be trusted as much as men, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:26 pm

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The accused never fully recovers? Like he ends up president or Supreme Court Justice? Or runs for senate not once but twice?

Some birds of a feather stick together. While I don't sympathize with Trump, Kavanaugh, and company, we never got evidence of anything (Trump's the only one due to his "pu$$y" comments so it's inferred that he did). In the meantime, Kavanaugh is installed in the SCOTUS due to a rubber-stamp Senate but that still doesn't take away the fact that people still think he's a rapist (proving the point that the "innocent until proven guilty" ways are thrown out the window when it comes to rape accusations).

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Let's be honest, if this guy was Jewish or Muslim and demanded to not be sat next to women on a plane, all of you would spin your heads in frothing rage.

Would I? Tell me more about how my head would be spinning. Would I believe that it's a religious thing? Not in the slightest. Is it a big deal that requires national headlines? No, unless we also make huge deals of people in buses refusing to sit next to others for the same reason.

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The whole conceit of those religious books and this yahoo specifically is that women can't be trusted, and certainly can never be trusted as much as men, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

I'm an atheist, yet I find no problem with wanting to have accountability present. It has nothing to do with religion; that they use religion to shield themselves is a different matter entirely. Again: it only takes a single accusation to ruin a person's reputation. Sorry, but if I have a future career in public service or as a celebrity, I will not take any chances from anyone who may use the situation to bring me down or get their 15 minutes of fame.
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:41 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
Let's be honest, if this guy was Jewish or Muslim and demanded to not be sat next to women on a plane, all of you would spin your heads in frothing rage.

You can't equate the two. One is completely irrational, the other has very solid reasoning behind it.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:41 pm

Braybuddy wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Let's be honest, if this guy was Jewish or Muslim and demanded to not be sat next to women on a plane, all of you would spin your heads in frothing rage.

You can't equate the two. One is completely irrational, the other has very solid reasoning behind it.

Wait, which one is irrational? They're both born out of the same febrile, backward men, who view women as lesser temptresses who cannot be trusted. It is misogyny so ancient it's literally in the Bible/Torah.

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The accused never fully recovers? Like he ends up president or Supreme Court Justice? Or runs for senate not once but twice?

Some birds of a feather stick together. While I don't sympathize with Trump, Kavanaugh, and company, we never got evidence of anything (Trump's the only one due to his "pu$$y" comments so it's inferred that he did). In the meantime, Kavanaugh is installed in the SCOTUS due to a rubber-stamp Senate but that still doesn't take away the fact that people still think he's a rapist (proving the point that the "innocent until proven guilty" ways are thrown out the window when it comes to rape accusations).

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Let's be honest, if this guy was Jewish or Muslim and demanded to not be sat next to women on a plane, all of you would spin your heads in frothing rage.

Would I? Tell me more about how my head would be spinning. Would I believe that it's a religious thing? Not in the slightest. Is it a big deal that requires national headlines? No, unless we also make huge deals of people in buses refusing to sit next to others for the same reason.

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The whole conceit of those religious books and this yahoo specifically is that women can't be trusted, and certainly can never be trusted as much as men, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

I'm an atheist, yet I find no problem with wanting to have accountability present. It has nothing to do with religion; that they use religion to shield themselves is a different matter entirely. Again: it only takes a single accusation to ruin a person's reputation. Sorry, but if I have a future career in public service or as a celebrity, I will not take any chances from anyone who may use the situation to bring me down or get their 15 minutes of fame.

I'm not sure if taking the religious excuse out of the misogyny makes it better or worse. So long story short, women can't be trusted because they might slander men, versus men who never ever slander other men. Got it. :checkmark:
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:40 pm

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Wait, which one is irrational? They're both born out of the same febrile, backward men, who view women as lesser temptresses who cannot be trusted. It is misogyny so ancient it's literally in the Bible/Torah.

More a case of being afraid of false accusations, or a lawsuit. In case you have missed it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/worl ... s-men.html
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:57 pm

Braybuddy wrote:
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Wait, which one is irrational? They're both born out of the same febrile, backward men, who view women as lesser temptresses who cannot be trusted. It is misogyny so ancient it's literally in the Bible/Torah.

More a case of being afraid of false accusations, or a lawsuit. In case you have missed it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/worl ... s-men.html

Only the most backward, knuckle dragging, old testament simple minded garbage men would find that of all the cases of sexual assault, where 99% of rapists never are charged, and *maybe* 2% of accusations are "false" find a way to shift the blame back onto women. It's unreal. And of course a cause evangelical rapist Trump would spearhead because it's perfect for his combination misogyny, phony victimhood, and 2nd grade mental capacity. This is like white men complaining about Black History Month right after Jim Crow.
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:07 pm

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The whole conceit of those religious books and this yahoo specifically is that women can't be trusted, and certainly can never be trusted as much as men, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
I think that you're looking at it backwards. I don't think this idiot trusts himself to be alone with a woman. Either that, or he thinks he's god's gift to women and they won't be able to restrain themselves.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:17 pm

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MaverickM11 wrote:
The whole conceit of those religious books and this yahoo specifically is that women can't be trusted, and certainly can never be trusted as much as men, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
I think that you're looking at it backwards. I don't think this idiot trusts himself to be alone with a woman. Either that, or he thinks he's god's gift to women and they won't be able to restrain themselves.

Fair, nonetheless like I said: garbage men.
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:22 pm

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Fair, nonetheless like I said: garbage men.

Pray tell why?
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:31 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Wait, which one is irrational? They're both born out of the same febrile, backward men, who view women as lesser temptresses who cannot be trusted. It is misogyny so ancient it's literally in the Bible/Torah.

More a case of being afraid of false accusations, or a lawsuit. In case you have missed it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/worl ... s-men.html

Only the most backward, knuckle dragging, old testament simple minded garbage men would find that of all the cases of sexual assault, where 99% of rapists never are charged, and *maybe* 2% of accusations are "false" find a way to shift the blame back onto women.


You seem to have left a few words out of your quote, Maverick. Let me fix it for you: Between 2 and 10 percent of sexual assault allegations reported to police are proven to be false.

A clever cartoon to explain- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8zSDvaYrRw

Link to a PDF of the study mentioned in the cartoon- "False Allegations of Sexual Assualt: An Analysis of Ten Years of Reported Cases"- https://cdn.atixa.org/website-media/atixa.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/12193336/Lisak-False-Allegations-16-VAW-1318-2010.pdf
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Re: Mississippi gubernatorial candidate bars reporter for being female

Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:44 pm

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Only the most backward, knuckle dragging, old testament simple minded garbage men would find that of all the cases of sexual assault, where 99% of rapists never are charged, and *maybe* 2% of accusations are "false" find a way to shift the blame back onto women. It's unreal. And of course a cause evangelical rapist Trump would spearhead because it's perfect for his combination misogyny, phony victimhood, and 2nd grade mental capacity. This is like white men complaining about Black History Month right after Jim Crow.

Somehow I missed this post, I only saw your last one when I looked. If you're going to make accusations like "99% of rapists never are charged" you need to back them up with links. As for "and *maybe* 2% of accusations are "false" find a way to shift the blame back onto women.", can you explain what you mean here? It doesn't make sense at all, to my ears anyway.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:30 pm

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So long story short, women can't be trusted because they might slander men, versus men who never ever slander other men. Got it. :checkmark:

When was the last time you heard a man accuse another man of sexually assaulting him? And if you do recall a moment, who did you believe the first time around?

Regardless, no matter who I'm with, I'll always request a 3rd person present. Brings into context everything being said and done and serves as witness. Again, why is that a bad thing?
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:43 pm

TSS wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:

More a case of being afraid of false accusations, or a lawsuit. In case you have missed it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/worl ... s-men.html

Only the most backward, knuckle dragging, old testament simple minded garbage men would find that of all the cases of sexual assault, where 99% of rapists never are charged, and *maybe* 2% of accusations are "false" find a way to shift the blame back onto women.


You seem to have left a few words out of your quote, Maverick. Let me fix it for you: Between 2 and 10 percent of sexual assault allegations reported to police are proven to be false.

And you left out loads of more words that point out that those numbers are inflated because "false" accusation includes things like cases without enough evidence to prosecute


Braybuddy wrote:
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Only the most backward, knuckle dragging, old testament simple minded garbage men would find that of all the cases of sexual assault, where 99% of rapists never are charged, and *maybe* 2% of accusations are "false" find a way to shift the blame back onto women. It's unreal. And of course a cause evangelical rapist Trump would spearhead because it's perfect for his combination misogyny, phony victimhood, and 2nd grade mental capacity. This is like white men complaining about Black History Month right after Jim Crow.

Somehow I missed this post, I only saw your last one when I looked. If you're going to make accusations like "99% of rapists never are charged" you need to back them up with links. As for "and *maybe* 2% of accusations are "false" find a way to shift the blame back onto women.", can you explain what you mean here? It doesn't make sense at all, to my ears anyway.

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So long story short, women can't be trusted because they might slander men, versus men who never ever slander other men. Got it. :checkmark:

When was the last time you heard a man accuse another man of sexually assaulting him? And if you do recall a moment, who did you believe the first time around?

Regardless, no matter who I'm with, I'll always request a 3rd person present. Brings into context everything being said and done and serves as witness. Again, why is that a bad thing?

Considering 5-14% of men are sexual assault victims, and that number is likely way higher than the much feared 'false accusation', you should probably avoid being alone with men too, and hide under your desk. With the lights off. And the door locked. And 9-1 dialed on your phone ready to go at all times.
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:10 pm

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Considering 5-14% of men are sexual assault victims, and that number is likely way higher than the much feared 'false accusation', you should probably avoid being alone with men too, and hide under your desk. With the lights off. And the door locked. And 9-1 dialed on your phone ready to go at all times.

So you believe in 2019 there is no need at all to take precautions against false accusations?
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:25 pm

If all the nice ladies in Mississippi were to vote for the opponent to this flake it might help take Mississippi out of the 19th century and into the 20th Century, That would be "One Small Step For Mississippi.
 
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If all the nice ladies in Mississippi were to vote for the opponent to this flake it might help take Mississippi out of the 19th century and into the 20th Century, That would be "One Small Step For Mississippi.


Believe it or not not all woman care only about one issue, especially one this irrelevant.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:37 pm

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I'm not sure that I've ever heard a bigger load of BS from a non-Trump politician. We're not supposed to take away from this that Foster regularly fellates male "reporters?" I mean they're effectively saying what they believe the campaign bus is actually for.


I don't get it. Why would you think a married man saying he would not be alone with a female on a 15 hour bus ride means that?

Your title btw is misleading, she is not barred from an interview or even riding on his bus, just he would want someone else present.
 
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Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:57 am

Good for him. As a good friend of two individuals, both male & female accused wrongly of sexual assault they never committed, I can say better safe than sorry. As soon as "sexual assault" or "rape" is brought up, the court of public opinion immediately delivers a guilty verdict against the accused.
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So when he said that he would want a third party to be present, who did she suggest?.
 
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Braybuddy wrote:
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Considering 5-14% of men are sexual assault victims, and that number is likely way higher than the much feared 'false accusation', you should probably avoid being alone with men too, and hide under your desk. With the lights off. And the door locked. And 9-1 dialed on your phone ready to go at all times.

So you believe in 2019 there is no need at all to take precautions against false accusations?

You realize false accusations long predate MeToo, right? Interesting that snowflake man babies only got their panties in a twist about the 2% of false accusations when the other 98% of legitimate victims dared to get even the most remote of justice and attention... Wonder why :roll:
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Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:17 pm

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Wait, which one is irrational? They're both born out of the same febrile, backward men, who view women as lesser temptresses who cannot be trusted. It is misogyny so ancient it's literally in the Bible/Torah.

More a case of being afraid of false accusations, or a lawsuit. In case you have missed it:


That's the cover story....

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I don't think this idiot trusts himself to be alone with a woman. Either that, or...


...and there is the truth.

A skilled predator always cast a false foreshadow of what the truly are. Conservatives have mastered this.

'Paint yourself as a Saint'...then get down to business because you believe 'everyone bought what you just sold them..'

He either has a secret Boy Scout buddy or is logged in as guest on Big St. James Island, better known as Pedo Island.

But don't buy the Goodie Two-shoe Guy act for a second...I bet he's a SuperSonic christian too! They, like the LearJet preachers...are the worst!


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Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:30 pm

As a manager in a company there is a reason why all offices now have windows to the office. Occupants are visible to the rest of the office. I keep the blinds open during any meeting with any other person. I am not afraid of false accusations but being intelligent about situations with others is the right thing to do.

The simple solution for this situation would be for this candidate to simply state there will be NO "one on one" interviews. Male or female.

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You realize false accusations long predate MeToo, right? Interesting that snowflake man babies only got their panties in a twist about the 2% of false accusations when the other 98% of legitimate victims dared to get even the most remote of justice and attention... Wonder why :roll:

How would YOU feel about being falsely accused of sexual harassment, or worse? Would you take it on the chin and say nothing, or become one of those same "snowflake man babies"? Just curious . . .
 
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So when he said that he would want a third party to be present, who did she suggest?.


She said she was a grown woman and didn't need a chaperone.

The guy could have provided his own, BTW.

And if it's a bus, I'm sure he's not driving it, so there we have it, the driver !
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Re: Mississippi gubernatorial candidate bars reporter for being female

Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:14 am

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The guy could have provided his own, BTW.

Except in the event of a false accusation, his provided chaperone may not be believed at all. What if the provided chaperone is lumped into the accusation?

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The simple solution for this situation would be for this candidate to simply state there will be NO "one on one" interviews. Male or female.

The problem here is that the reporter wants to tag along with him, not just do a sit-down interview.
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:49 am

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You realize false accusations long predate MeToo, right? Interesting that snowflake man babies only got their panties in a twist about the 2% of false accusations when the other 98% of legitimate victims dared to get even the most remote of justice and attention... Wonder why :roll:

How would YOU feel about being falsely accused of sexual harassment, or worse? Would you take it on the chin and say nothing, or become one of those same "snowflake man babies"? Just curious . . .

It's not something I worry about since it's such a remote possibility, and I certainly am not a 'snowflake man baby' that needs to make the other 98% of legitimate accusations about me, maligning all females as underhanded threats to men
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:55 pm

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[ am not a 'snowflake man baby' that needs to make the other 98% of legitimate accusations about me,

Wait....how many legitimate accusations are there against your? That 98% of accusations about you are true is pretty bad.

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Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:42 pm

This gubernatorial candidate is not fit to serve. If he can't be trusted alone, he can't be trusted by anyone.
The argument about one on one conversations does not fly. What if he was gay? What if she was? What if truly confidential material needed to be discussed in the course of his job?

This candidate is not management material at all.

He can have his rules about women and go work at McDonald's as a Fry cook.
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:29 pm

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Trump's the only one due to his "pu$$y" comments so it's inferred that he did).


There is also a sworn Statement of his first wife...

In the meantime, Kavanaugh is installed in the SCOTUS due to a rubber-stamp Senate but that still doesn't take away the fact that people still think he's a rapist (proving the point that the "innocent until proven guilty" ways are thrown out the window when it comes to rape accusations).


Was it the rape accusation that stuck, or was it him, according to his friends back when, lying about stuff that made it stick?

Amazing how they never sue for libel or why someone, lying to the Senate under oath iirc about felony accusations, isn't prosecuted for it.... it would mean a real investigation after all.

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Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:37 pm

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It's not something I worry about since it's such a remote possibility, and I certainly am not a 'snowflake man baby' that needs to make the other 98% of legitimate accusations about me, maligning all females as underhanded threats to men

But it still could happen, no matter how remote the possibility. How would you deal with it?
 
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:55 pm

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MaverickM11 wrote:
It's not something I worry about since it's such a remote possibility, and I certainly am not a 'snowflake man baby' that needs to make the other 98% of legitimate accusations about me, maligning all females as underhanded threats to men

But it still could happen, no matter how remote the possibility. How would you deal with it?

You are more likely to be in a car accident than get accused of harassment. Do you still drive?
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:12 pm

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Braybuddy wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
It's not something I worry about since it's such a remote possibility, and I certainly am not a 'snowflake man baby' that needs to make the other 98% of legitimate accusations about me, maligning all females as underhanded threats to men

But it still could happen, no matter how remote the possibility. How would you deal with it?

You are more likely to be in a car accident than get accused of harassment. Do you still drive?

Yes, and I'm always mindful that accidents can happen. What has that got to do with the question?
 
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:35 pm

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casinterest wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
But it still could happen, no matter how remote the possibility. How would you deal with it?

You are more likely to be in a car accident than get accused of harassment. Do you still drive?

Yes, and I'm always mindful that accidents can happen. What has that got to do with the question?


Everything . You don't take yourself out of the possibility of a situation just because you are scared of a remote repercussion. You deal with it when it happens, and it usually happens because of something you or the other person did. The truth and your own integrity will bear out the final call.
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:49 pm

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Braybuddy wrote:
casinterest wrote:
You are more likely to be in a car accident than get accused of harassment. Do you still drive?

Yes, and I'm always mindful that accidents can happen. What has that got to do with the question?


Everything . You don't take yourself out of the possibility of a situation just because you are scared of a remote repercussion. You deal with it when it happens, and it usually happens because of something you or the other person did. The truth and your own integrity will bear out the final call.

So you do worry about and think about being falsey accused? Do you think your integrity will defend you properly if you were to be accused wrongly? Your friends and family are of course likely to support you as they know you best but what about the rest of the world, what about law enforcement, what about a court?

I am not saying that false accusations are the norm or common, or that they happen often, I am asking: How do you protect against even the remote possibility of it? I know one friend that had someone make an accusation within his professional environment and he was immediately suspended (out a smart abundance of caution by the employer) he had to hire a lawyer, the process took just over 6 months, and in the end while proven not at fault he had to move his practice due to the "poisoning" of the situation on those around him. The woman making the accusation was sincere. So was he.

How do you absolutely protect against that? It doesn't happen often of ever, but based on what you are saying you would support driving with limited/low insurance since a major accident so unlikely to ever happen to any one person.

With that, I can say I think the candidate is a bit of an ass and that he certainly could have handled the situation far more simply than he did (he made it political and to score points with whatever base he has). But the idea to be careful, to be smart, has merit. Again, as I noted above, there is a good reason that management offices have windows into the office that others can see what is going on. I prefer having that visibility so no one even in jest makes up anything about "what is going on in the office".

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Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:55 pm

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Braybuddy wrote:
Yes, and I'm always mindful that accidents can happen. What has that got to do with the question?


Everything . You don't take yourself out of the possibility of a situation just because you are scared of a remote repercussion. You deal with it when it happens, and it usually happens because of something you or the other person did. The truth and your own integrity will bear out the final call.

So you do worry about and think about being falsey accused? Do you think your integrity will defend you properly if you were to be accused wrongly? Your friends and family are of course likely to support you as they know you best but what about the rest of the world, what about law enforcement, what about a court?

I am not saying that false accusations are the norm or common, or that they happen often, I am asking: How do you protect against even the remote possibility of it? I know one friend that had someone make an accusation within his professional environment and he was immediately suspended (out a smart abundance of caution by the employer) he had to hire a lawyer, the process took just over 6 months, and in the end while proven not at fault he had to move his practice due to the "poisoning" of the situation on those around him. The woman making the accusation was sincere. So was he.

How do you absolutely protect against that? It doesn't happen often of ever, but based on what you are saying you would support driving with limited/low insurance since a major accident so unlikely to ever happen to any one person.

With that, I can say I think the candidate is a bit of an ass and that he certainly could have handled the situation far more simply than he did (he made it political and to score points with whatever base he has). But the idea to be careful, to be smart, has merit. Again, as I noted above, there is a good reason that management offices have windows into the office that others can see what is going on. I prefer having that visibility so no one even in jest makes up anything about "what is going on in the office".

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There is training , and all managers and employees at my company must go through it. To completely remove yourself from a one on one situation because of ignorance on how to properly handle the situation is a problem for the interns that might need to understand more about a problem they are working on, or for two workers to collaborate on a project they have been given.

Do you not pair the most capable employees to do the right job?

Your co worker's issue probably arose due to many little things that when added up made a big problem. There is training for it.
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:01 pm

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Everything . You don't take yourself out of the possibility of a situation just because you are scared of a remote repercussion. You deal with it when it happens, and it usually happens because of something you or the other person did. The truth and your own integrity will bear out the final call.

I think you've misunderstood my post. I wasn't asking him how he'd avoid being accused, I asked him how he would deal with false accusations, which is something entirely different. Chances of them happening are remote, but that's not to say they won't happen. Just before I left my job a female (who wasn't employed by the company), made false (non-sexual) allegations against me and a colleague. It wasn't a pleasant experience, I can tell you, and anyone in this era of #MeToo who thinks any allegations against them are easily dismissed is sadly mistaken. I couldn't believe how someone could lie so casually, and how many people automatically believed her.
 
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:07 pm

casinterest wrote:
There is training , and all managers and employees at my company must go through it. To completely remove yourself from a one on one situation because of ignorance on how to properly handle the situation is a problem for the interns that might need to understand more about a problem they are working on, or for two workers to collaborate on a project they have been given.

Do you not pair the most capable employees to do the right job?

Yes there is training, and the first rule is avoid situations where there are only two, include a third. Whether by way of being visible to others at all times or to have another party with you. It is the number one manager rule. Not that it is followed at all times but it is a known effective rule to reduce risk. The other rule is to treat everyone equally and fairly and respectfully. But that does not fully protect you and accusations can still be made.

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Your co worker's issue probably arose due to many little things that when added up made a big problem. There is training for it.

And why are you thinking the person found not have done anything wrong was the one likely at fault?. Why?

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Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:11 pm

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Everything . You don't take yourself out of the possibility of a situation just because you are scared of a remote repercussion. You deal with it when it happens, and it usually happens because of something you or the other person did. The truth and your own integrity will bear out the final call.

I think you've misunderstood my post. I wasn't asking him how he'd avoid being accused, I asked him how he would deal with false accusations, which is something entirely different. Chances of them happening are remote, but that's not to say they won't happen. Just before I left my job a female (who wasn't employed by the company), made false (non-sexual) allegations against me and a colleague. It wasn't a pleasant experience, I can tell you, and anyone in this era of #MeToo who thinks any allegations against them are easily dismissed is sadly mistaken. I couldn't believe how someone could lie so casually, and how many people automatically believed her.


Easily dismissed is not the issue. HR and management have protocols to follow. You have to take a good hard look at yourself and your actions and ensure that you did all you could do to handle the situation fairly. If you did, then you have to ride it out. If there are things you could have changed, then you should look at it and see what could be done. Public opinion is always just that, and it can change at a moment's notice.

The other person is not always right, but sometimes you have to wait a bit for the verification.
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:15 pm

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casinterest wrote:
There is training , and all managers and employees at my company must go through it. To completely remove yourself from a one on one situation because of ignorance on how to properly handle the situation is a problem for the interns that might need to understand more about a problem they are working on, or for two workers to collaborate on a project they have been given.

Do you not pair the most capable employees to do the right job?

Yes there is training, and the first rule is avoid situations where there are only two, include a third. Whether by way of being visible to others at all times or to have another party with you. It is the number one manager rule. Not that it is followed at all times but it is a known effective rule to reduce risk. The other rule is to treat everyone equally and fairly and respectfully. But that does not fully protect you and accusations can still be made.

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Your co worker's issue probably arose due to many little things that when added up made a big problem. There is training for it.

And why are you thinking the person found not have done anything wrong was the one likely at fault?. Why?

Tugg


I am not saying that as a fact, just that it is a possibility. You can refer to the thread we had about "honey/sweetie" for that.

The rule of three is a HR way out of a situation. But it only punishes the third wheel when they are not a part of the issue being discussed. There are many situations where I as an employeee must talk to a manager or an employee about salary, future, and goals, and I do not want a third party present for those.
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:21 pm

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I am not saying that as a fact, just that it is a possibility. You can refer to the thread we had about "honey/sweetie" for that.

But again, this person was exonerated. It is not a possibility, or at least it is no more a possibility than it is that the person making the accusation was incorrect to do so.

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The rule of three is a HR way out of a situation. But it only punishes the third wheel when they are not a part of the issue being discussed. There are many situations where I as an employeee must talk to a manager or an employee about salary, future, and goals, and I do not want a third party present for those.

That is why they now have "inside windows". Your office (or the room you use for such discussions) has one, yes?

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