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Major Ford failure, Mulally and German transmission company

Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:28 pm

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/money/ca ... 671198001/

This involves another American company and former Boeing executive. Alert, it is a long read from the Detroit Free Press. It likely is costing Ford more than $3 billion.
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Re: Major Ford failure, Mulally and German transmission company

Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:21 pm

The gearbox problems faced by Ford isn't uncommon with dual clutch transmissions. VW also had issues with their DSG gearboxes as well, which uses similar technology.

I have two former colleagues who owns the Fiesta with a PowerShift transmission - one of them had no issues last time I checked, while the other has had her gearbox replaced under warranty. Meanwhile, my former boss owns a 2014 Ford Focus, and he seems to have no issues with his car.
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Re: Major Ford failure, Mulally and German transmission company

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:48 am

I'm one of those PO'd Focus owners. I had to have the seals replaced 3 times and the synchros broke, which Ford wouldn't warranty, even though it only had 50K miles on it. I've had 2 escorts and 3 Focuses but will never buy another Ford product. The dealer was great, the company sucked. One of my earlier Focuses cracked the flywheel (how can that happen?) and Ford didn't do anything.
 
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Re: Major Ford failure, Mulally and German transmission company

Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:19 am

I have had my 2014 Focus for 3 years with just over 41,000 on it. It was barely 2 years old and less than 20K on it when I bought it from a local Ford dealer (where Ford had an assembly Plant - Mahwah Ford in NJ). Its likely the previous owner, from upstate NY north of Albany, dumped it due to the transmission problem. My brother had one he bought used a few months before I got mine, he seemed to be happy with it but traded it in a few months ago with 91,000 miles for a used Ram 1500 Pickup as the Ford special extension on the warranty for transmission problems would expire at 100,000.

I chose a Focus due to decent luck with Ford products, including a 1992 new bought Probe, a new bought 2000 Mercury Cougar with the 2.5 L V-6 and a new bought 2006 Mazda 6 which had a 3.0 L Ford V-6 and getting tired and needing some repairs. I wanted a car I could afford to pay cash for, used to save on depreciation losses, meet my daily needs and get decent fuel mileage. Too bad I didn't do enough research for if I did, I would have know of these terrible transmissions and not bought it.

Other than the intermittent shifting problems, mainly on hard acceleration and once an event of overheating warning after driving in city traffic on a hot summer day. where just had to pull over and let it cool off I have had few problems. I find I have to 'tickle' the gas pedal just right on acelleration to reduce the 'crashbox' affect, like a manual with a bad clutch. I have never been to the dealer for any transmission fix. But for the occasional transmission problem, I am satisfied with the car. It handles well, meets my daily needs, easy to parallel park and everything else is put together well. What will be a big killer is the trade in when I get rid of it as many dealers will lowball the numbers as will be difficult to resell and likely sent to auction.

It is most likely the end of sales of the Focus and Fiesta in North America was due to the awful 'automatic' transmission killing sales, low or no profits, declining interest in cars vs small SUV and crossovers and as a new version of these models was to be introduced. I hope to make it another 2 years before I get rid of it and the transmission holds together until then. But it will likely mean no more Fords, I only want a car, not an SUV as too hard to get in/out of at my mid-60's age and only with a true Automatic transmission. Likely that will mean a Toyota, Honda or Hyundai.
 
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Re: Major Ford failure, Mulally and German transmission company

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:14 pm

Res sedans versus compact SUVs: We and some very good friends both made the switch, via (and this is humorous - the ugly Toyota Xb - easy easy to get into, all 4 seats). As you get older the easiest car to get into is one with the seat about the same height as a dining room chair. Compact SUVs are about the height, maybe an inch or two higher.
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Re: Major Ford failure, Mulally and German transmission company

Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:24 am

Powershift transmission was highly publicized in 2009 / 2010 IIRC for the "Large" Ford Range (SMax, Mondeo, Galaxy).
During that time I was working at the Volvo dealership - that was together with Ford, and we received a memo, that Powershift would have been available on 2.0 litre diesel (4 cylinder, 136 ps, PSA engine - in common with Citroen, Peugeot, and BTW, Ford). Short after the memo, we received a V50 with that dual clutch gearbox, that promised very quick gear changes - Volvo's Geartronic wasn't a real quick automatic gearbox, and many customers complained about that - and indeed it had. But it was strange. Not comfortable, not Volvo-ish if you know what I mean. I had that car as company car for about two weeks, before selling it. Odd enough, the car stalled with the engine turning off if you tried to get off quick, or during sharp turns (i.e. when coming out of a parallel parking). Like when releasing the clutch too quick. A leap and no engine. I looked like a rookie driver :-D
We runned a gearbox software update before selling the car. It was mandatory by VCC. I sold the car personally, and the customer came back several times for gearbox problems. VCC always paid for those problems - even if the warranty was expired.

Powershift gearbox on Volvo cars was short lived. With the last C30 / S40 / V50 facelift (when LED DRL in the fog lights were introduced, 2011 IIRC) the whole Powershift and 2.0 4-pot PSA engine were dropped, in favour of 2 litres 5 cylinders with 163 and 177 ps (D3 and D4 versions) equipped with the good ol' Geatronic gearbox.

Double clutch gearboxes and automatically operated manual gearboxes are mostly shite.
Ford's Powershift has the problems we all know
Alfa Romeo Selespeed (single clutch) was a complete disaster
Ferrari's early F1's (355 and 360 models) were a complete disaster... but really, garbage
VW's DSG has an expiration date... that's 150k km or 3 years on diesel engined cars, less on GTI versions
Citroen's CMP ... what the Hell
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