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CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:42 pm

"There are very few people who are able to deliver a trustworthy broadcast without point of view," says CBS News president Susan Zirinsky. "That’s who we want to be.”

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... ws-1224220

Zirinsky dwells only on the morning news/talk and evening news, but I wonder if this newfound policy is for real and if they will adhere to it. I also wonder if she omitted mention of 60 Minutes and Video News for a reason. I remain skeptical, thinking this is just a ‘putting lipstick on a pig’ move. To Zirinsky‘s credit, though, moving the evening broadcast to Washington bodes well on paper. If she can prevent these broadcasts from becoming polluted by the ‘swamp’ remains to be seen.

Many, if not most, people nowadays are so busy dealing with their daily lives they don’t have the time or interest to do more than a cursory check into whether the news delivered to them is (I hate to use this old Fox motto which it shamefully used until recently) ‘fair and balanced.’

I hope to live long enough to see opinion-free 'news' become a reality, as truly politically unbiased network news seems to be quite elusive. We have Fox News and Newsmax on the one hand, and CNN and MSNBC on the other. I refuse to watch Sean Hannity pontificating or Rachel Maddow crying any longer.

If I could afford it, I would purchase CNN and convert it into a genuinely non-biased entity. At present, it homogenizes reporting and editorializing with great skill. Fox and MSNBC each would retain a decent portion of their existing viewers, who watch to their have their own values and beliefs validated, if not reinforced. However, I am firmly convinced that a network the size of CNN, combined with a huge dose of ‘report the reality, not the desired', would become immensely successful. If I had enormously deep pockets I would do the same with WaPo for news readers.

The aforementioned and most other news outlets are specialists at shaping the news rather than simply reporting it. The problem is not just what news the media delivers, but how it does so. They do this in a variety of ways:

o – Use of certain wording can direct viewers in a desired direction

o - The over-emphasizing of a particular story undoubtedly affects the way in which viewers will perceive it.

o - Inflection in how something is stated: the same thing, the same words, can be said three different ways and get three differing results

o - Polls that determine what and how questions are asked, and so-called hand-picked ‘unbiased' focus groups

o - Misquoting sources, usually with immunity

o - Selective reporting (a NYT and WaPo specialty)

o - Misleading headlines, another NYT bailiwick


I want real, unbiased facts on which to form my own opinion. I firmly believe a substantial number would prefer to watch the CNN as described in my dream-fantasy, instead of strongly biased Fox/MSNBC.

P.S. PBS is a joke. They are masters of thriving on the false image of impartiality.
 
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:30 am

Anyone that has the time and attention span to pay attention to TV or radio newscasts anymore is not generally capable of unbiased thought. Fox news makes money on older people that are addicted to archaic media formats.
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:34 am

Norah O'Donnell? Unbiased? :sarcastic:
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:54 am

I want the old CNN Headline News back, with someone with the gravitas of a Bernard Shaw at the anchor desk, giving it to us straight without any editorializing or spin. Just. The. News.
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:08 am

EA CO AS wrote:
I want the old CNN Headline News back, with someone with the gravitas of a Bernard Shaw at the anchor desk, giving it to us straight without any editorializing or spin. Just. The. News.


Remember when MSNBC was legit too? Yeah, those days are long gone.

casinterest wrote:
Anyone that has the time and attention span to pay attention to TV or radio newscasts anymore is not generally capable of unbiased thought. Fox news makes money on older people that are addicted to archaic media formats.


And MSNBC thrives on demagoguery.
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:32 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Norah O'Donnell? Unbiased? :sarcastic:


Why Jeff Glore left the show?



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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:36 am

DL717 wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
I want the old CNN Headline News back, with someone with the gravitas of a Bernard Shaw at the anchor desk, giving it to us straight without any editorializing or spin. Just. The. News.


Remember when MSNBC was legit too? Yeah, those days are long gone.

casinterest wrote:
Anyone that has the time and attention span to pay attention to TV or radio newscasts anymore is not generally capable of unbiased thought. Fox news makes money on older people that are addicted to archaic media formats.


And MSNBC thrives on demagoguery.


Only people with poor critical thinking skills watch any of these networks for news. There is a reason Fox does well with the dementia age group.
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:48 am

casinterest wrote:
DL717 wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
I want the old CNN Headline News back, with someone with the gravitas of a Bernard Shaw at the anchor desk, giving it to us straight without any editorializing or spin. Just. The. News.


Remember when MSNBC was legit too? Yeah, those days are long gone.

casinterest wrote:
Anyone that has the time and attention span to pay attention to TV or radio newscasts anymore is not generally capable of unbiased thought. Fox news makes money on older people that are addicted to archaic media formats.


And MSNBC thrives on demagoguery.

Only people with poor critical thinking skills watch any of these networks for news. There is a reason Fox does well with the dementia age group.

OK, so you prefer reading the news to develop your 'critical thinking.' How confident are you that the printed publications on which you rely are not attempting to shape your thoughts in one way or another? How capable are you of recognizing such attempts and dealing with them? The gist of your post raises the question.
 
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:57 am

FTMCPIUS wrote:
casinterest wrote:
DL717 wrote:

Remember when MSNBC was legit too? Yeah, those days are long gone.



And MSNBC thrives on demagoguery.

Only people with poor critical thinking skills watch any of these networks for news. There is a reason Fox does well with the dementia age group.

OK, so you prefer reading the news to develop your 'critical thinking.' How confident are you that the printed publications on which you rely are not attempting to shape your thoughts in one way or another? How capable are you of recognizing such attempts and dealing with them? The gist of your post raises the question.


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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:17 pm

casinterest wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Only people with poor critical thinking skills watch any of these networks for news. There is a reason Fox does well with the dementia age group.

OK, so you prefer reading the news to develop your 'critical thinking.' How confident are you that the printed publications on which you rely are not attempting to shape your thoughts in one way or another? How capable are you of recognizing such attempts and dealing with them? The gist of your post raises the question.


Multiple sources, and the ability to find patterns in the noise. Nothing is taken at face value when Opined on.

Precisely what I do except that I include broadcasts.
 
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:57 pm

FTMCPIUS wrote:
casinterest wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
OK, so you prefer reading the news to develop your 'critical thinking.' How confident are you that the printed publications on which you rely are not attempting to shape your thoughts in one way or another? How capable are you of recognizing such attempts and dealing with them? The gist of your post raises the question.


Multiple sources, and the ability to find patterns in the noise. Nothing is taken at face value when Opined on.

Precisely what I do except that I include broadcasts.


I have no time for broadcasts. they are usually slow and low on information.

Next time you watch or listen to a broadcast, think about how much you really learned and how much more you could have gotten by looking up some articles.
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:20 pm

Newsflash gang...ALL MSM outlets are biased. Some to greater degrees and to more inflammatory means than others, but that depends on the issue, the time of day, the ratings...

Stop being dupes and wake up.
 
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:42 pm

casinterest wrote:
FTMCPIUS wrote:
casinterest wrote:

Multiple sources, and the ability to find patterns in the noise. Nothing is taken at face value when Opined on.

Precisely what I do except that I include broadcasts.


I have no time for broadcasts. they are usually slow and low on information.

Next time you watch or listen to a broadcast, think about how much you really learned and how much more you could have gotten by looking up some articles.

It all depends on what you're reading. Printed articles can be (and usually are) as biased as broadcast news. The advantage is one can take time to ponder, re-read,
whereas with broadcast this can be done only with a DVR.
 
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:39 am

EA CO AS wrote:
I want the old CNN Headline News back, with someone with the gravitas of a Bernard Shaw at the anchor desk, giving it to us straight without any editorializing or spin. Just. The. News.


This x1000.

Add in Chuck Roberts and some of the old school folks.
 
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Re: CBS News plans to be unbiased (really!)

Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:24 pm

FTMCPIUS wrote:
"There are very few people who are able to deliver a trustworthy broadcast without point of view," says CBS News president Susan Zirinsky. "That’s who we want to be.”

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... ws-1224220

Zirinsky dwells only on the morning news/talk and evening news, but I wonder if this newfound policy is for real and if they will adhere to it. I also wonder if she omitted mention of 60 Minutes and Video News for a reason. I remain skeptical, thinking this is just a ‘putting lipstick on a pig’ move. To Zirinsky‘s credit, though, moving the evening broadcast to Washington bodes well on paper. If she can prevent these broadcasts from becoming polluted by the ‘swamp’ remains to be seen.

Many, if not most, people nowadays are so busy dealing with their daily lives they don’t have the time or interest to do more than a cursory check into whether the news delivered to them is (I hate to use this old Fox motto which it shamefully used until recently) ‘fair and balanced.’

I hope to live long enough to see opinion-free 'news' become a reality, as truly politically unbiased network news seems to be quite elusive. We have Fox News and Newsmax on the one hand, and CNN and MSNBC on the other. I refuse to watch Sean Hannity pontificating or Rachel Maddow crying any longer.

If I could afford it, I would purchase CNN and convert it into a genuinely non-biased entity. At present, it homogenizes reporting and editorializing with great skill. Fox and MSNBC each would retain a decent portion of their existing viewers, who watch to their have their own values and beliefs validated, if not reinforced. However, I am firmly convinced that a network the size of CNN, combined with a huge dose of ‘report the reality, not the desired', would become immensely successful. If I had enormously deep pockets I would do the same with WaPo for news readers.

The aforementioned and most other news outlets are specialists at shaping the news rather than simply reporting it. The problem is not just what news the media delivers, but how it does so. They do this in a variety of ways:

o – Use of certain wording can direct viewers in a desired direction

o - The over-emphasizing of a particular story undoubtedly affects the way in which viewers will perceive it.

o - Inflection in how something is stated: the same thing, the same words, can be said three different ways and get three differing results

o - Polls that determine what and how questions are asked, and so-called hand-picked ‘unbiased' focus groups

o - Misquoting sources, usually with immunity

o - Selective reporting (a NYT and WaPo specialty)

o - Misleading headlines, another NYT bailiwick


I want real, unbiased facts on which to form my own opinion. I firmly believe a substantial number would prefer to watch the CNN as described in my dream-fantasy, instead of strongly biased Fox/MSNBC.

P.S. PBS is a joke. They are masters of thriving on the false image of impartiality.


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