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Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:41 pm
by BN747
DOJ Won’t Charge New York City Police Officer In Eric Garner’s Death
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eric-gar ... eda5a207c1

You can not live in America for the last 5 years and not know about this tragedy.

The large gentle giant black man who was choked to death for selling cigarettes in Brooklyn NYC.

from the article -
The official said the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division and prosecutors in the Eastern District of New York had differing views on the case. EDNY prosecutors consistently believed the evidence was not enough, while Civil Rights Division officials thought there could be a case. Attorney General William Barr was the ultimate decision-maker on the case, and he adopted the EDNY’s position

So Barr decided to go Against his DOJ - Dept of Justice's Civil Rights Division and go with protectionist Eastern District of New York's (EDNY) position of protecting the murdering cop.

Now...

Since the Southern District of New York (SDNY) PLUS the Barr's DOJ ..is pressing the Jeffrey Epstein Rape Case, and Epstein Barr's dad's BFF, and Barr has recused himself ...only to turn and unrecuse himself the following day - since he's NOW involved in lording over unfolding events.

The question is...is this Justice you can trust?
Is it blind?

Anyone see a conflict of Justice?

And the Eric Garner case.
Is the EDNY playing for a favor in exchange for a 'checkmate' on SDNY predicated on District rivalry?



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Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:00 pm
by jdstJD
The only words I can muster are I am so angry right now. This is ridiculous.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:25 pm
by GalaxyFlyer
Every law, in the end, rests on violence legalized by the voters. Garner’s death is a tragedy because he was violating a tax law and government isn’t about to share its money with poor black men. Stop giving the government these powers and Eric Garner would be alive selling untaxed “loosies”. They’ve been around and a source of money for decades. Greedy New York State is to blame for his death.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:43 pm
by jdstJD
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Every law, in the end, rests on violence legalized by the voters. Garner’s death is a tragedy because he was violating a tax law and government isn’t about to share its money with poor black men. Stop giving the government these powers and Eric Garner would be alive selling untaxed “loosies”. They’ve been around and a source of money for decades. Greedy New York State is to blame for his death.


No Eric Garner would be alive today if the callous police officer who didn’t care to recognize his humanity and ignored his cries that he could not breath hadn’t choked him to death. Now he’s not alive to apologize, repent, plead guilty, serve time or do whatever else he could have been able to do to make up for whatever crime he had or may have committed. His crime is still alleged. He’s dead now so he can’t be formally charged, prosecuted or convicted under the law.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:08 pm
by GalaxyFlyer
Then, why hasn’t NYS charged the officer?

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:08 pm
by NIKV69
Let us not forget Garner was resisting arrest. As low level as the crime was ( I think it was silly to surround him with that many cops for that charge) but once he was told he was under arrest he should have complied. The choke hold was not department procedure and I think it's a bad move in trying to arrest someone and favor the taser which is much more effective. As for the Federal law threshold I don't know it well enough. I feel Pantaleo should have been fired from the NYPD but not sure his actions satisfied the threshold to go to trial.

I wish people would comply with police,. Right wrong or indifferent. Let them cuff you and get the badge number if you feel you are wronged. To fight officers never ends well.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:15 pm
by GalaxyFlyer
The FBI investigated in 2014 under Loretta Lynch after the NY grand jury didn’t indict the officer and the federal prosecutor agreed not to prosecute. The Obama administration failed to prosecute, its over. This how line of discussion isn’t about the NYPD, Eric Garner, it’s about politics.

GF

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:17 pm
by jdstJD
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Then, why hasn’t NYS charged the officer?


Excellent question. Many people have asked that question for quite some time now.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:32 pm
by jdstJD
NIKV69 wrote:
Let us not forget Garner was resisting arrest. As low level as the crime was ( I think it was silly to surround him with that many cops for that charge) but once he was told he was under arrest he should have complied. The choke hold was not department procedure and I think it's a bad move in trying to arrest someone and favor the taser which is much more effective. As for the Federal law threshold I don't know it well enough. I feel Pantaleo should have been fired from the NYPD but not sure his actions satisfied the threshold to go to trial.

I wish people would comply with police,. Right wrong or indifferent. Let them cuff you and get the badge number if you feel you are wronged. To fight officers never ends well.


And there are plenty of people who resist arrest and refuse to cooperate with the police all the time and live to get the officer’s badge number and file a complaint. Too many do not. The problem from many people’s perspective (not that it matters) is that black men don’t get the level of sensitivity and leniency when it comes to reactive behavior than white men. These officers don’t see their dads, son’s, brothers, uncles when they see these black men. There is no sense of being deliberate in how they handle disruptive or even belligerent behavior when they are facing a criminal or delinquent kid like they would have if they were seeing people they can relate to. The result is an insensitive level of treatment that results in comments like this: well he was resisting arrest. He wasn’t following proper protocol when facing the police. So he deserved to DIE. Oh well.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:35 pm
by jdstJD
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GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The FBI investigated in 2014 under Loretta Lynch after the NY grand jury didn’t indict the officer and the federal prosecutor agreed not to prosecute. The Obama administration failed to prosecute, its over. This how line of discussion isn’t about the NYPD, Eric Garner, it’s about politics.

GF


The decision not to charge the officer was made TODAY. What are you talking about Loretta lynch and Barack Obama for??? What do they have to do with anything?

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:49 pm
by GalaxyFlyer
jdstJD wrote:
[*]
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The FBI investigated in 2014 under Loretta Lynch after the NY grand jury didn’t indict the officer and the federal prosecutor agreed not to prosecute. The Obama administration failed to prosecute, its over. This how line of discussion isn’t about the NYPD, Eric Garner, it’s about politics.

GF


The decision not to charge the officer was made TODAY. What are you talking about Loretta lynch and Barack Obama for??? What do they have to do with anything?


The killing happened in 2014, the Obama administration, no friends of the cops never prosecuted the case. There was a shake-up, but they had two years and couldn’t move on the case.

I don’t think for a second cops should be murdering civilians, but I also don’t think we should have laws that, in their enforcement, give the cops the power to do so. The NYC was very aggressive in pursuing people like ?Eric, maybe the law should go away.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/nyregion/justice-dept-replaces-investigators-on-eric-garner-case.html

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:24 pm
by afcjets
This case is wrong on so many levels. First of all it's wrong how blue states tax the poor with outrageous taxes in NY on cigarettes and California on gas. Second, no one should be arrested for selling a cigarette (just issue a ticket), but if they are, unless they produce a weapon, which he didn't, there should be ZERO risk that you are harmed, even if you resist arrest. Third, I don't care if he had a pre-existing condition that was a contributing factor. I never went to law school but I believe their is a concept in law that it doesn't matter how fragile someone is, there is no prerequisite for you to be strong and/or in perfect health to have the expectation of safety. I hope the family sues both the NYPD for their over-reaction and brutal use of force and the NY legislature for enforcing outrageous sin tax laws, and I hope they get an eight figure settlement.


jdstJD wrote:
And there are plenty of people who resist arrest and refuse to cooperate with the police all the time and live to get the officer’s badge number and file a complaint. Too many do not. The problem from many people’s perspective (not that it matters) is that black men don’t get the level of sensitivity and leniency when it comes to reactive behavior than white men. These officers don’t see their dads, son’s, brothers, uncles when they see these black men.


:checkmark:

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:35 am
by Ken777
Let's face it, Barr has set himself up as a racist equal to Trump's disgusting stature.

The difference is that Barr will one day want to go back to a Big Name Law Firm and his racism could be a block for that return to a big wealth job. Law firms with large public companies as clients will not want to touch a law firm with Barr around.

Trump's Presidency is different than previous Presidents. There are some many in today's Trump Swamp who will become the "Undesirables" of tomorrow.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:37 am
by NIKV69
jdstJD wrote:

And there are plenty of people who resist arrest and refuse to cooperate with the police all the time and live to get the officer’s badge number and file a complaint. Too many do not. The problem from many people’s perspective (not that it matters) is that black men don’t get the level of sensitivity and leniency when it comes to reactive behavior than white men. These officers don’t see their dads, son’s, brothers, uncles when they see these black men. There is no sense of being deliberate in how they handle disruptive or even belligerent behavior when they are facing a criminal or delinquent kid like they would have if they were seeing people they can relate to. The result is an insensitive level of treatment that results in comments like this: well he was resisting arrest. He wasn’t following proper protocol when facing the police. So he deserved to DIE. Oh well.


He didn't deserve to die. That is your spin on this to try to make this a race thing. He was a much bigger guy than the two officers trying to take him into custody. One of them used an illegal choke hold. If you want to say he did this out of hatred for black people well I guess that is what you want to believe. We have enough race baiting here we don't need any more. :sarcastic:

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:48 am
by afcjets
Ken777 wrote:
Let's face it, Barr has set himself up as a racist equal to Trump's disgusting stature.

The difference is that Barr will one day want to go back to a Big Name Law Firm and his racism could be a block for that return to a big wealth job. Law firms with large public companies as clients will not want to touch a law firm with Barr around.


No, Barr has said the exact opposite:

""“I am at the end of my career,” Barr said. “Everyone dies, and I am not, you know, I don’t believe in the Homeric idea that you know, immortality comes by, you know, having odes sung about you over the centuries.”

“Nowadays, people don’t care about the merits and the substance,” he said. “Everything is gauged by politics. And . . . that’s antithetical to the way the department runs, and any attorney general in this period is going to end up losing a lot of political capital, and I realize that, and that’s one of the reasons that I ultimately was persuaded that I should take it on, because I think at my stage in life, it really doesn’t make any difference.”

Barr said that he had no regrets about taking the job, adding that he loves the Justice Department and FBI.

“I think it is important that we not, in this period of intense partisan feeling, destroy our institutions,” he added.

Barr also defended Trump, whom critics have accused of disrespecting an array of U.S. institutions, including Congress, the courts, the FBI and Federal Reserve.

“I think one of the ironies today is that people are saying that it’s President Trump that’s shredding our institutions,” Barr said. “I really see no evidence of that. From my perspective, the idea of resisting a democratically elected president and basically throwing everything at him and you know, really changing the norms on the grounds that we have to stop this president, that is where the shredding of our norms and our institutions is occurring.”"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... e1915ee24e

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:00 am
by BN747
Oh yeah...the ONLY guy who goes to Jail...is the guy who shot the video of the cops killing Eric Garner.

That's a sterling example of Justice ...


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Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:22 am
by casinterest
BN747 wrote:
Oh yeah...the ONLY guy who goes to Jail...is the guy who shot the video of the cops killing Eric Garner.

That's a sterling example of Justice ...


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BN747


Pantaleo is still under a NYPD administrative trial which could lead to him losing his job. The City already settled with the family for over 5 million.

There are some serious issues for the NYC and Federal prosecutors that can't find reason to charge an officer that proceeded with his course of action after a suspect announced that they couldn't breath, and that officer was using an untrained chokehold.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:41 am
by jdstJD
Ken777 wrote:
Let's face it, Barr has set himself up as a racist equal to Trump's disgusting stature.

The difference is that Barr will one day want to go back to a Big Name Law Firm and his racism could be a block for that return to a big wealth job. Law firms with large public companies as clients will not want to touch a law firm with Barr around.

Trump's Presidency is different than previous Presidents. There are some many in today's Trump Swamp who will become the "Undesirables" of tomorrow.


I wouldn’t bet on it. There are plenty of old world white shoe law firms whose members have the same world view and political philosophies as Barr and would welcome him with open arms. He’ll be fine.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:52 am
by Aaron747
afcjets wrote:
Ken777 wrote:
Let's face it, Barr has set himself up as a racist equal to Trump's disgusting stature.

The difference is that Barr will one day want to go back to a Big Name Law Firm and his racism could be a block for that return to a big wealth job. Law firms with large public companies as clients will not want to touch a law firm with Barr around.


No, Barr has said the exact opposite:

""“I am at the end of my career,” Barr said. “Everyone dies, and I am not, you know, I don’t believe in the Homeric idea that you know, immortality comes by, you know, having odes sung about you over the centuries.”

“Nowadays, people don’t care about the merits and the substance,” he said. “Everything is gauged by politics. And . . . that’s antithetical to the way the department runs, and any attorney general in this period is going to end up losing a lot of political capital, and I realize that, and that’s one of the reasons that I ultimately was persuaded that I should take it on, because I think at my stage in life, it really doesn’t make any difference.”

Barr said that he had no regrets about taking the job, adding that he loves the Justice Department and FBI.

“I think it is important that we not, in this period of intense partisan feeling, destroy our institutions,” he added.

Barr also defended Trump, whom critics have accused of disrespecting an array of U.S. institutions, including Congress, the courts, the FBI and Federal Reserve.

“I think one of the ironies today is that people are saying that it’s President Trump that’s shredding our institutions,” Barr said. “I really see no evidence of that. From my perspective, the idea of resisting a democratically elected president and basically throwing everything at him and you know, really changing the norms on the grounds that we have to stop this president, that is where the shredding of our norms and our institutions is occurring.”"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... e1915ee24e


Barr is full of shit - he has always been about protecting powerful institutions and not acting in the people’s interest at large. This was indelibly proven by his successful effort to arrange pardons for the Bush associates convicted of Iran-Contra wrongdoing. He’s a sleazeball - one of the original swamp creatures in our era, and he likely enjoys the professional challenge of helping power avoid public scrutiny and accountability.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:53 am
by jdstJD
NIKV69 wrote:
jdstJD wrote:

And there are plenty of people who resist arrest and refuse to cooperate with the police all the time and live to get the officer’s badge number and file a complaint. Too many do not. The problem from many people’s perspective (not that it matters) is that black men don’t get the level of sensitivity and leniency when it comes to reactive behavior than white men. These officers don’t see their dads, son’s, brothers, uncles when they see these black men. There is no sense of being deliberate in how they handle disruptive or even belligerent behavior when they are facing a criminal or delinquent kid like they would have if they were seeing people they can relate to. The result is an insensitive level of treatment that results in comments like this: well he was resisting arrest. He wasn’t following proper protocol when facing the police. So he deserved to DIE. Oh well.


He didn't deserve to die. That is your spin on this to try to make this a race thing. He was a much bigger guy than the two officers trying to take him into custody. One of them used an illegal choke hold. If you want to say he did this out of hatred for black people well I guess that is what you want to believe. We have enough race baiting here we don't need any more. :sarcastic:


You can call it race baiting or me “spinning” things all you want. The facts speak for themselves. The man is dead and he didn’t have to be. THAT is the issue. You have no more knowledge of whether that officer had racial animosity toward Garner than I do. YOU choose to dismiss that possibility. I choose to consider it. It’s a difference of perspectives. I will say this, the more you and those like you smugly dismiss these issues and situations like this, the more resentment and anger people will feel. Your attitude does nothing but piss more people off. Doesn’t help a thing. Oh and another thing buddy, I don’t have to”make this a race thing”. The “race thing” has been in this country long before I was a twinkle in my parents’ eye which is why the Garner situation IS a “thing”. Oh but wait...I’d better be careful what I say. I don’t want to be accused of hating my country and told to go back to my imaginary home country. :roll:

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:31 am
by einsteinboricua
NIKV69 wrote:
I wish people would comply with police

Except even if you're complying with police you can find yourself in deep trouble, like Philando Castile when he was complying with police and was reaching for his wallet and ID and was shot. But sure, tell us more about how complying with officers will make the situation better. If this isn't while privilege, I don't know what is.

BN747 wrote:
The question is...is this Justice you can trust?
Is it blind?
Trump wanted an AG who would do HIS bidding so as long as Barr and Trump are in power, there's no justice to be trusted.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:35 am
by texdravid
jdstJD wrote:
Ken777 wrote:
Let's face it, Barr has set himself up as a racist equal to Trump's disgusting stature.

The difference is that Barr will one day want to go back to a Big Name Law Firm and his racism could be a block for that return to a big wealth job. Law firms with large public companies as clients will not want to touch a law firm with Barr around.

Trump's Presidency is different than previous Presidents. There are some many in today's Trump Swamp who will become the "Undesirables" of tomorrow.


I wouldn’t bet on it. There are plenty of old world white shoe law firms whose members have the same world view and political philosophies as Barr and would welcome him with open arms. He’ll be fine.


One of few times I actually agree with you. As he should.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:16 pm
by wingman
jdstJD wrote:
You can call it race baiting or me “spinning” things all you want. The facts speak for themselves. The man is dead and he didn’t have to be. THAT is the issue. You have no more knowledge of whether that officer had racial animosity toward Garner than I do. YOU choose to dismiss that possibility. I choose to consider it. It’s a difference of perspectives. I will say this, the more you and those like you smugly dismiss these issues and situations like this, the more resentment and anger people will feel. Your attitude does nothing but piss more people off. Doesn’t help a thing. Oh and another thing buddy, I don’t have to”make this a race thing”. The “race thing” has been in this country long before I was a twinkle in my parents’ eye which is why the Garner situation IS a “thing”. Oh but wait...I’d better be careful what I say. I don’t want to be accused of hating my country and told to go back to my imaginary home country. :roll:


Right on, great post. The same people that say "just comply" also defend the the 2nd Amendment to..the..letter, and that includes the part about using arms to protect oneself against a tyrannical government. It's hard to imagine many acts more tyrannical than being shot in the back six times, beaten in front of your children unarmed in a Walmart parking lot or choked to death over a cigarette. That's the very definition of tyranny. My guess is the 2nd Amendment doesn't really apply to non-Whites though. It'd certainly be an interest SCOTUS case, this cop killing the man over a cigarette and one of his family members walks up and shoots the cop in the head in the process. NIK and the NRA would talk themselves into knots. Still, I bet this killer walks free again 5-4.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:42 pm
by GalaxyFlyer
Funny history is gin control laws were originally passed to PREVENT blacks from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. As recently as the Black Panthers era, blacks openly carried.

To this case, DeBlasio could have had the officer fired over the five years and didn’t. There’s no interest in doing so because actually stopping officers from acting like this reduces the government’s power to enforce the laws.

GF

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:54 pm
by NIKV69
jdstJD wrote:

You have no more knowledge of whether that officer had racial animosity toward Garner than I do.


Very true which is why the AG couldn't bring this to trial but you use passive aggression to try to make us believe he did and that it's all some conspiracy.

jdstJD wrote:

YOU choose to dismiss that possibility. I choose to consider it.


I did no such thing. It was two officers trying to take a much bigger person into custody who resisted. One of the officers went against dept policy and caused his death. Should he be fired? Yes, should he be put to to trial for a federal crime? The AG decided not.

jdstJD wrote:


the more you and those like you


Wow the hatred just oozes out. :roll:





jdstJD wrote:



Oh and another thing buddy, I don’t have to”make this a race thing”. The “race thing” has been in this country long before I was a twinkle in my parents’ eye which is why the Garner situation IS a “thing”. Oh but wait...I’d better be careful what I say. I don’t want to be accused of hating my country and told to go back to my imaginary home country. :roll:


So because racism has existed for so long this cop is automatically a racist that killed Eric Garner because he was black?

See this is why we never get anywhere, oh yea that and "Pigs in a blanket! Fry them like Bacon!

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:03 am
by jdstJD
NIKV69 wrote:
jdstJD wrote:

You have no more knowledge of whether that officer had racial animosity toward Garner than I do.


Very true which is why the AG couldn't bring this to trial but you use passive aggression to try to make us believe he did and that it's all some conspiracy.

jdstJD wrote:

YOU choose to dismiss that possibility. I choose to consider it.


I did no such thing. It was two officers trying to take a much bigger person into custody who resisted. One of the officers went against dept policy and caused his death. Should he be fired? Yes, should he be put to to trial for a federal crime? The AG decided not.

jdstJD wrote:


the more you and those like you


Wow the hatred just oozes out. :roll:





jdstJD wrote:



Oh and another thing buddy, I don’t have to”make this a race thing”. The “race thing” has been in this country long before I was a twinkle in my parents’ eye which is why the Garner situation IS a “thing”. Oh but wait...I’d better be careful what I say. I don’t want to be accused of hating my country and told to go back to my imaginary home country. :roll:


So because racism has existed for so long this cop is automatically a racist that killed Eric Garner because he was black?

See this is why we never get anywhere, oh yea that and "Pigs in a blanket! Fry them like Bacon!


Nope. Because racism has been around for so long it’s not irrational to consider that there was racism involved in this incident. You don’t seem to want to even factor racism in at all when you have no knowledge whatsoever (unless you personally know the guy and have the capability to know his brain and heart) as to whether it was racially motivated. THAT’S why we never get anywhere. Oh yeah that and “blacks are always playing the race card. They’re the ones keeping racism alive”.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:40 am
by seb146
African-American selling single cigarettes on the street is killed by an officer who thought he was in danger so the officer should be a hero for murder how?

Did Eric Garner fire a gun at the officer? Did Eric Garner charge the officer with a car? Did Eric Garner stab the officer? How EXACTLY did Eric Garner deserve to be murdered?

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:36 am
by stratosphere
jdstJD wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Every law, in the end, rests on violence legalized by the voters. Garner’s death is a tragedy because he was violating a tax law and government isn’t about to share its money with poor black men. Stop giving the government these powers and Eric Garner would be alive selling untaxed “loosies”. They’ve been around and a source of money for decades. Greedy New York State is to blame for his death.


No Eric Garner would be alive today if the callous police officer who didn’t care to recognize his humanity and ignored his cries that he could not breath hadn’t choked him to death. Now he’s not alive to apologize, repent, plead guilty, serve time or do whatever else he could have been able to do to make up for whatever crime he had or may have committed. His crime is still alleged. He’s dead now so he can’t be formally charged, prosecuted or convicted under the law.


Personally I don't see why this offense could not have been handled with a citation. A lot of effort and overkill no pun intended for such a minor thing. I am glad that we have video these days the most especially egregious one was the South Carolina cop who shot that guy in the back that was plain murder no two ways about it. Now in truth if either of them complied with officer instructions they both would most likely be alive today but that does not justify what happened to them at the hands of the police. The city paid off the family and they also as usual cleared the cops. The only one I disagree with is the false narrative "Hands up don't shoot" in the Michael Brown Ferguson Mo fiasco. That was a total fabrication he was fighting for the officers weapon and was not shot in the back. The friend of Brown lied and the medical examiner laid out the facts. On top of that Browns biological mother( I say that cuz she really had nothing to do with him until after the incident) Her and her husband incited riots in the town and a lot of business owners most black owned were destroyed and what does the city do? They paid off the family to the tune of millions. Michael Brown was a punk he got what was coming to him.

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:50 am
by FTMCPIUS
I am in no way defending Pantaleo or being judgmental, but one thing about Garner's tragic death has always puzzled me. He said “I can’t breathe” several times. How could Garner say again and again he could not breathe if being choked so powerfully he suffocated? Air in the lungs is required to repeatedly shout three words loudly enough to be recorded by a bystander’s cell phone. This has surely been brought up before but I haven’t followed the matter. Does anyone remember what the answer to this was?

Re: Barr Steps in For Cop Who Killed Eric Garner

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:27 am
by BN747
FTMCPIUS wrote:
I am in no way defending Pantaleo or being judgmental, but one thing about Garner's tragic death has always puzzled me. He said “I can’t breathe” several times. How could Garner say again and again he could not breathe if being choked so powerfully he suffocated? Air in the lungs is required to repeatedly shout three words loudly enough to be recorded by a bystander’s cell phone. This has surely been brought up before but I haven’t followed the matter. Does anyone remember what the answer to this was?


Think about it...

..as your body is deprived of oxygen, you will use every ounce available to vocalize distress and nature of it's cause as you begin to fade, you would do the same were it a stab wound, gun shot wound..you direct whatever energy you can muster in some form of 'reaching out', until you cannot. As you utter your last words, parts of your body are already shutting down from lack of it ..your brain likely being the last organ to retain whatever remains.


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