Aaron747 wrote:N1611B wrote:Spar wrote:It's clear to me that you're living in a land of imaginary scenarios, not actual experience.
If you were to give that sentence a moment's thought you would see how meaningless and without correlation the comparison between whatever undefined "defensive gun use" is and actual deaths of people.
The lives which were saved need to be adjusted for the number of those lives that were put in jeopardy by the near unrestrained availability of guns - which is what put those lives in danger in the first place. The number derived from that adjustment will be about zero.
If you really knew anything about this subject, you would be very aware that the best way to survive a gunfight is to not get in one.
This is a (meaningless) strawman argument, which was born out of the need to justify a cliche. Not very good debate technique.
You are free to choose to be a defenseless victim, just like I am free to choose not to be one. Once again, I've treated dozens of gunshot victims. Nothing I've seen or done is "imaginary." When your home is being broken into in the middle of the night, the thought that the police might be 15 minutes away is not comforting.
That’s what shotguns and handguns are for. Excellent commentary here from Adm. Mike Mullen-ret:
I spent my entire professional life taking up arms in defense of our country, serving in wars from Vietnam to Afghanistan, and ending my service as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. During the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan I saw how our ground forces and special forces sought to improve the precision and lethality of their weapons, which took enemy lives and saved their own. Such is the nature of war.
But these weapons are for war; they are not for sport...Now is the time for courage. We must take steps to make our country and its citizens safe from this growing national-security threat by banning these assault weapons with their large magazines, and by putting in place comprehensive and universal background checks without loopholes. The United States accounts for some 4 percent of the global population but holds about 45 percent of the civilian firearms in the world. We are way out of balance.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... r-children
The AR-15 is an ideal home-defense weapon. You had less risk of wall penetration and damage to innocent bystanders, and it is easy to use and aim. Moreover, our soldiers don't carry semi-automatic sporting rifles...they carry fully automatic assault rifles.