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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:21 pm

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The Dayton shooter was most definitely not alt-right. His Twitter account shows that he liked numerous Antifa related posts, which is odd because I’ve been told that Antifa is all about peace.


And there are others who say they went to school with him and he was a racist, misogynist bully. You don't post any proof, so why should I?

Funny how we are all automatically jumping to the conclusion that these shooters are anti fascist and far left but we can not even suggest they are what they actually are: right wing racists. Even when shown the proof, we still have to beat the drum of "anti fascists are killers".

I posted compelling evidence upthread. You obviously didn’t read it.

You should read that as well as this: https://www.thepostmillennial.com/break ... s-twitter/
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:23 pm

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Another young white guy who lost his mind after years of alt-right indoctrination by sites like Breitbart, 4chan and 8chan. Combined with easy access to firearms and a gun culture that caters to these insecure individuals. But of course the mere mentioning of this makes me an enemy to a sizable portion of the US society.

Insanity. Pure insanity.


If they had Muslim context,,, FBI?
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:07 pm

Neil deGrasse weighs in:

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/11 ... 68928?s=20

In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose…

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:27 pm

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Lilienthal wrote:
Another young white guy who lost his mind after years of alt-right indoctrination by sites like Breitbart, 4chan and 8chan. Combined with easy access to firearms and a gun culture that caters to these insecure individuals. But of course the mere mentioning of this makes me an enemy to a sizable portion of the US society.

Insanity. Pure insanity.


If they had Muslim context,,, FBI?


If he was a convert to Islam, perhaps the murder of his sister was an "honor killing."
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:32 pm

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300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun


Just a quick look at your "statistics" shows that you've about doubled the numbers of death from the other sources, but have shown less than half the number of gun deaths (partly by limiting it to handguns I suppose) there were 33,636 gun deaths in 2013, that almost 100 a day.

Then there is the absurdity of your suggestion that gun deaths are trivial.
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:21 pm

Spar wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun


Just a quick look at your "statistics" shows that you've about doubled the numbers of death from the other sources, but have shown less than half the number of gun deaths (partly by limiting it to handguns I suppose) there were 33,636 gun deaths in 2013, that almost 100 a day.

Then there is the absurdity of your suggestion that gun deaths are trivial.


First of all, the numbers are quoted from Neil deGrasse. I haven't doubled anything.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/photos-every-us-mass-shooter-in-2019-who-shot-four-or-more-people/

"The liberal media will tell you there have been over 200 mass shootings in the United States so far this year.
The media will also make you believe the mass shooters are all young white males.

More than 140 mass shootings are unsolved largely because no one will give descriptions to the police."


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Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:32 pm

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I love how the wikipedia page for thegatewaypundit has an entire section devoted to the fake news site misidentifying shooters, never mind the pathological white supremacist ties :rotfl:
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:38 pm

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DIRECTFLT wrote:

I love how the wikipedia page for thegatewaypundit has an entire section devoted to the fake news site misidentifying shooters, never mind the pathological white supremacist ties :rotfl:

So which of the shooters on the poster aren’t actually shooters?
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:43 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:

I love how the wikipedia page for thegatewaypundit has an entire section devoted to the fake news site misidentifying shooters, never mind the pathological white supremacist ties :rotfl:

So which of the shooters on the poster aren’t actually shooters?


"SEND HER BACK" shouted to three native born Americans.....

BTW, here is the orange god laughing at the idea of shooting immigrants

https://god.dailydot.com/shoot-them-vid ... B--BG0dGcY

but, yeah, totally because of video games and transgender people and pot....
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:45 pm

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VTKillarney wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
I love how the wikipedia page for thegatewaypundit has an entire section devoted to the fake news site misidentifying shooters, never mind the pathological white supremacist ties :rotfl:

So which of the shooters on the poster aren’t actually shooters?


"SEND HER BACK" shouted to three native born Americans.....

BTW, here is the orange god laughing at the idea of shooting immigrants

https://god.dailydot.com/shoot-them-vid ... B--BG0dGcY

but, yeah, totally because of video games and transgender people and pot....

That’s unresponsive. Which of the persons on the poster aren’t actually shooters? Surely many are wrong if mass shooters are overwhelmingly white males.
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:55 pm

Did the Stable Genius deliver a response including calling the Dayton Ohio shooting..the Tragedy in Toledo, Ohio?

And some of you take him seriously?


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Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:59 pm

The survivors of the Bowling Green Massacre send their deepest regards to the survivors in Toledo.
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:31 am

Wow... the glee with which some supposedly compassionate people posted their sarcastic/snarky comments in this thread is astounding.
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:39 am

Jeremy Boreing
@JeremyDBoreing

"For those keeping score at home, we’ve now had a mass shooter a BernieSanders fan, a mass shooter an aoc fan, and a mass shooter an ewarren fan.

No mainstream conservative voice blames them BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT TO BLAME.

Yet all 3 blame @realDonaldTrump
for the crimes of others."


https://twitter.com/JeremyDBoreing/status/1158480152264761344?s=20

Just to put things in perspective, while the MSM is driving hard their agenda from El Paso with live reports on the ground from their correspondent film teams sent their, some by private company jet, I'd assume, for this "Superbowl" nexus of liberal causes...guns, border town, illegals.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:56 am

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Did the Stable Genius deliver a response including calling the Dayton Ohio shooting..the Tragedy in Toledo, Ohio?

And some of you take him seriously?


BN747

Why are you only telling half of the story?
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-j ... gs-1452646

Biden, 76, who previously served as vice president under former President Barack Obama and is currently leading in the Democratic presidential primary polls, made a similar gaffe on Sunday evening while addressing attendants of a fundraiser in California. He referred to the mass shooting as "the tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan the day before."
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:39 am

VTKillarney wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Did the Stable Genius deliver a response including calling the Dayton Ohio shooting..the Tragedy in Toledo, Ohio?

And some of you take him seriously?


BN747

Why are you only telling half of the story?
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-j ... gs-1452646

Biden, 76, who previously served as vice president under former President Barack Obama and is currently leading in the Democratic presidential primary polls, made a similar gaffe on Sunday evening while addressing attendants of a fundraiser in California. He referred to the mass shooting as "the tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan the day before."


Except one BUG difference one is leading the country (or acting like it).
The 2nd guy wants to lead the country.


The 1st is the epitome of The Walking Ignorant as well as suffering dementia.
The 2nd is showing his age and losing lucidity and has no business running.


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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:02 am

VTKillarney wrote:
seb146 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
So which of the shooters on the poster aren’t actually shooters?


"SEND HER BACK" shouted to three native born Americans.....

BTW, here is the orange god laughing at the idea of shooting immigrants

https://god.dailydot.com/shoot-them-vid ... B--BG0dGcY

but, yeah, totally because of video games and transgender people and pot....

That’s unresponsive. Which of the persons on the poster aren’t actually shooters? Surely many are wrong if mass shooters are overwhelmingly white males.


How many of them did it because they feel their skin color and DNA is superior? I think that is the more important question you failed to ask.

Follow up:

How many mass murderers are part of a well regulated militia as prescribed in the Constitution by the Founding Fathers?
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:10 am

Super80Fan wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Heavy(.)com found the Twitter account of the alleged Dayton attacker.

His account promoted:

-Bernie Sanders
-Elizabeth Warren
-Antifa
-leftism
-socialism
-Satan
-Strong anti-ICE rhetoric
-He called the terrorist who attacked the ICE facility in Tacoma a "martyr"

This just shows that we need to focus on what makes someone pull the trigger and not their politics, because political affiliation is obviously not dispositive.


I was gonna say, after the discussion on party affiliation in Ohio, he's probably a registered D because he voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary, considering his age.

However, we only link them to politics if they link their selves to politics in their manifestos, which the El Paso shooter did, he also specifically said don't blame Trump! So of course we are. He also was quoting Yang in that manifesto though. What he did was politically motivated but his political views were a unique hybrid you only really see in /pol/. So back to this:

Super80Fan wrote:

Except Cloudflare doesn't plan on dropping them.

Good try though, as I said, the far left is now working on getting rid of the first amendment instead of trying to go after guns or white supremacy.


They dropped the Daily Stormer. There is a breaking point for them. If private industry doesn't take care of the issue the FBI needs to investigate every threat made in there and continuously monitor it. That costs money. Pick one or watch radicalized youth burn this country to the ground.


UPDATE: Cloudflare has announced they are dropping 8chan! And yes dude, this was being discussed, that's why I mentioned it.

https://new.blog.cloudflare.com/termina ... for-8chan/


Wow, getting a online imageboard shutdown, congrats! America is saved! There will no longer be any shootings and no more hatred & violence! Job well done!


Well do you want to blame the guns or the extremist ideology that is radicalizing young men in a similar manner to ISIS? They were "joking" about collectively going out to shoot and bomb people in /pol/ right before cloudflare dropping them. After all this, when we know that some of them actually go out and kill people after stating they will do so in there, is it really safe to continue thinking it's just a "joke" and people innocently enjoying their free speech? We need to start taking each and every one at their word. The FBI needs to track them all and show up at their doors when they make these threats to the public.
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:14 am

VTKillarney wrote:
seb146 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
So which of the shooters on the poster aren’t actually shooters?


"SEND HER BACK" shouted to three native born Americans.....

BTW, here is the orange god laughing at the idea of shooting immigrants

https://god.dailydot.com/shoot-them-vid ... B--BG0dGcY

but, yeah, totally because of video games and transgender people and pot....

That’s unresponsive. Which of the persons on the poster aren’t actually shooters? Surely many are wrong if mass shooters are overwhelmingly white males.


Point taken on the way incidents are tallied. Is there a difference between the El Paso, Dayton, Newtown, Parkland and Vegas shooters and the others? I think there is.
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:15 am

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The survivors of the Bowling Green Massacre send their deepest regards to the survivors in Toledo.

At least it isn’t as far off as Houston and Michigan as per the Democratic front runner. :shock:
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:02 am

VTKillarney wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:

I love how the wikipedia page for thegatewaypundit has an entire section devoted to the fake news site misidentifying shooters, never mind the pathological white supremacist ties :rotfl:

So which of the shooters on the poster aren’t actually shooters?


More or less a faulty question.
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:25 am

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Wow... the glee with which some supposedly compassionate people posted their sarcastic/snarky comments in this thread is astounding.


Because it's insanity. The same thing keeps happening over and over and yet nothing is done to change anything. How is that not tragically hilarious?
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:02 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Spar wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun


Just a quick look at your "statistics" shows that you've about doubled the numbers of death from the other sources, but have shown less than half the number of gun deaths (partly by limiting it to handguns I suppose) there were 33,636 gun deaths in 2013, that almost 100 a day.

Then there is the absurdity of your suggestion that gun deaths are trivial.


First of all, the numbers are quoted from Neil deGrasse. I haven't doubled anything.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/photos-every-us-mass-shooter-in-2019-who-shot-four-or-more-people/

"The liberal media will tell you there have been over 200 mass shootings in the United States so far this year.
The media will also make you believe the mass shooters are all young white males.

More than 140 mass shootings are unsolved largely because no one will give descriptions to the police."


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Wow, notice what that image highlights?

There's no women in that picture. Wait, I found one. One.
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:46 am

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Points like this are where the MSM puts their fingers in their ears and says:
"I can't hear you. I can't hear you!!"


classic whataboutism :sarcastic:

the difference is whether is it gang on gang crime or shootings in relation to other crimes being commited like in Chicago (not saying that is is not worth mentioning or sad or something should be done) or someone who decides to kill as many "brown" people as possible to help contain this "infestation". If you're in a gang you're more likely to get shot. If you're a criminal you're more likely to get shot, but if you just wanna go shopping at Walmart, go to a concert in Vegas, your highschool or a gay club, you can't conceivable expect it....
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:28 am

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It’s fine if they want to pass something because of the overall problem if whatever they are doing is well researched. Maybe they should have a while ago.

It’s absurd to pass something because of a single incident without even knowing the facts. That’s bad governance, plain and simple.

It’s the latter that was advocated for.


A single incident? A SINGLE INCIDENT? Seriously, what on earth possesses someone to say that this was 'a single incident'; this is the 250th shooting this year alone, and every year around 40.000 people lose their lives in the US because of guns. There's no if's, when's or but's about it: Guns are the problem.

Do not for one second start to think the US is the only place in the world with mental health issues, video game violence and asocial arseholes with vile personalities incapable of getting laid; those are common traits throughout most to the 'western world'. But only one country regularly sees these misfits go on shooting rampages, and only one country steadfastly refuses to link more guns with more deaths. Actually, and in a display of absurdity so vile it almost beggars belief, there are people advocating for more guns as the solution. A bit like 'well, if you shag a lot more you become a virgin again'. It's idiotic, stupid, flies in the face of any logic and can, therefore, only be labelled as insanity.

So that's where we are; the US is ruled by people who are insane. Sandy Hook didn't make a damn difference and that's where I, and millions of others, effectively gave up on the US gun culture. If they wish to do nothing about stopping these unnecessary murders, that's totally and 100% on them. They have neither my thoughts, sympathies or anything else (certainly not prayers, as I don't believe in imaginary sky fairies) - all they deserve is our utter disdain.

Here's what you need to do, it's dead easy:

Repeal the 2nd amendment
Confiscate all guns, every single one of them
Establish a formalised process whereby prospective gun owners can apply for a permit. Include background checks, criminal records, financial stability, family situation, job situation, psychological evaluation as well as a theoretical and practical exam. If all ends tie up, issue permit for an exceedingly limited range of guns, namely for target shooting and hunting. Weapons for target shooting must be kept at the gun range; no hand guns in private homes. Hunting rifles shall be of single-round type, requiring reload after every expanded round. If you wish to keep your hunting rifle around your home, you must agree to random checks being carried in your property by the authorities, and even the slighest breach of even the lightest rule will result in immediate revocation of permit and confiscation of your rifle. Note: Rifle in the singular tense - you're only allowed to own one rifle.

Perhaps one day, when the US is no longer acting the perennial teenager who's been brought up without parents, things might change. But, should the US ever reach such an elevated state of mental health, it's unlikely there'll be a cry for penis extenders masquerading as lethal weapons.

Don't despair, you may still off each other with Oxycontin!
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:30 am

So how many car crashes due to texting have to take place before we turn in our mobile phones?

Better yet, how many rapes have to happen before men submit to penectomies?

See the absurdity of the argument?
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:13 pm

scbriml wrote:
NoTime wrote:
Wow... the glee with which some supposedly compassionate people posted their sarcastic/snarky comments in this thread is astounding.


Because it's insanity. The same thing keeps happening over and over and yet nothing is done to change anything. How is that not tragically hilarious?


My guess is that, for the families, it's not tragically hilarious - it's just tragic.
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:57 pm

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So how many car crashes due to texting have to take place before we turn in our mobile phones?

Better yet, how many rapes have to happen before men submit to penectomies?

See the absurdity of the argument?


Don't know about the jurisdiction you're in, but where I'm at using a handheld device for anything is an offence with can either see you with a fine or, if it's the indirect cause of a deadly accident, charged with some version of manslaughter. Likewise, if you rape someone the laws are quite clear on that, and if you are a certifiable maniac who's likely to rape again, there are jurisdictions which will allow for the medical removal of your libido. Or, to put it plainly, they'll fill you with so much drugs your dick will be forever limp.

See how this works? The two things you mention have been found to be a) dangerous to society or b) behaviour abhorrent and unacceptable to society, and punishments proportional to the crimes are on the books. The question is therefore not how many rapes or traffic casualties it takes, because it's already happened. No, the question is: Why are guns still allowed in the hands of private citizens, when said citizens have proved time and again they're not suited to wield such weaponry.
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:59 pm

From CNN today: “A Twitter account that appears to belong to the Dayton gunman re-tweeted extreme left-wing posts as well as tweets supporting violent protest group Antifa.”

I’ve been told that CNN is definitely not fake news, so this appears to be quite credible.
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:11 pm

In the news today. The senate GOP has still not taken up legislation to ban assault rifles or provide for mental health issues after multiple decades of Mass Murders using assault rifles due to being in the pockets of the NRA and lack of concern about life.
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:26 pm

No need to. Just curb the nutjob lefties from getting near the things and we'll be fine.
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:28 pm

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In the news today. The senate GOP has still not taken up legislation to ban assault rifles or provide for mental health issues after multiple decades of Mass Murders using assault rifles due to being in the pockets of the NRA and lack of concern about life.

I can see why they haven’t taken up the latter. Numerous prominent Democrats are saying that these shootings are NOT a mental health issue and have attacked those suggesting that they are for demonizing the mentally ill. So really the Senate is just accommodating the left, which I am told is a good thing

Also, what has the House taken up since these recent shootings? The House is led by Democrats, so I am sure they’ve done a lot in comparison to the Senate.
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:28 pm

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DIRECTFLT wrote:
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Points like this are where the MSM puts their fingers in their ears and says:
"I can't hear you. I can't hear you!!"


classic whataboutism :sarcastic:

the difference is whether is it gang on gang crime or shootings in relation to other crimes being commited like in Chicago (not saying that is is not worth mentioning or sad or something should be done) or someone who decides to kill as many "brown" people as possible to help contain this "infestation". If you're in a gang you're more likely to get shot. If you're a criminal you're more likely to get shot, but if you just wanna go shopping at Walmart, go to a concert in Vegas, your highschool or a gay club, you can't conceivable expect it....

The difference is whether you can expect it? :? What’s the difference about that legally, morally or otherwise? If a gay couple holds hands while outside they can expect it’s much more likely they’ll encounter violence than when a straight couple does the same. How does that matter?

You might by intending that gang shootings are more justified and/or less immoral, but that isn’t what you said.
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:32 pm

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In the news today. The senate GOP has still not taken up legislation to ban assault rifles or provide for mental health issues after multiple decades of Mass Murders using assault rifles due to being in the pockets of the NRA and lack of concern about life.

I can see why they haven’t taken up the latter. Numerous prominent Democrats are saying that these shootings are NOT a mental health issue and have attacked those suggesting that they are for demonizing the mentally ill. So really the Senate is just accommodating the left, which I am told is a good thing

Also, what has the House taken up since these recent shootings? The House is led by Democrats, so I am sure they’ve done a lot in comparison to the Senate.


What good is mental health as a target? Mental health doesn't kill people. Guns do.

As for legislation in the house, here you go.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 954367002/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pa ... aso-dayton

Moscow Mitch the NRA's b**ch has just sat on it like the dishonorable monster he is.
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:46 pm

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Oh, okay. You were just trolling when you criticized the Senate for not taking up mental health issues in response to the shootings.


Mental health can be looked at, but one things is for sure. No one looked at these folks before they opened fire other than the arms sales person, and they sure as hell aren't capable of identifying mental illness.

You and I agree, even if many prominent Democrats are saying otherwise.


Then yes, we need to ban assault rifles.
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:02 pm

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VTKillarney wrote:
casinterest wrote:
In the news today. The senate GOP has still not taken up legislation to ban assault rifles or provide for mental health issues after multiple decades of Mass Murders using assault rifles due to being in the pockets of the NRA and lack of concern about life.

I can see why they haven’t taken up the latter. Numerous prominent Democrats are saying that these shootings are NOT a mental health issue and have attacked those suggesting that they are for demonizing the mentally ill. So really the Senate is just accommodating the left, which I am told is a good thing

Also, what has the House taken up since these recent shootings? The House is led by Democrats, so I am sure they’ve done a lot in comparison to the Senate.


What good is mental health as a target? Mental health doesn't kill people. Guns do.

As for legislation in the house, here you go.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 954367002/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pa ... aso-dayton

Moscow Mitch the NRA's b**ch has just sat on it like the dishonorable monster he is.


Guns don't kill people. People who have guns and aim them at people and pull the trigger kill people. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than any of my guns have. And someone with mental health issues who has a gun or a car even can kill people you just can kill more people faster with a gun. Make no mistake we had just as many guns 20 years ago but why do we have far more mass shootings in the last few years and it's getting worse. I have no problems with any kind of background checks and even waiting longer periods to run the background checks is fine with most law abiding gun owners I would think. Red flag laws I am all for that as well. There are too many factors to just say it's the guns. Yes the gun is the tool involved but social media and hate mongering and chat rooms that allow that certainly adds to this problem.
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:19 pm

stratosphere wrote:
casinterest wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
I can see why they haven’t taken up the latter. Numerous prominent Democrats are saying that these shootings are NOT a mental health issue and have attacked those suggesting that they are for demonizing the mentally ill. So really the Senate is just accommodating the left, which I am told is a good thing

Also, what has the House taken up since these recent shootings? The House is led by Democrats, so I am sure they’ve done a lot in comparison to the Senate.


What good is mental health as a target? Mental health doesn't kill people. Guns do.

As for legislation in the house, here you go.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 954367002/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pa ... aso-dayton

Moscow Mitch the NRA's b**ch has just sat on it like the dishonorable monster he is.


Guns don't kill people. People who have guns and aim them at people and pull the trigger kill people. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than any of my guns have. And someone with mental health issues who has a gun or a car even can kill people you just can kill more people faster with a gun. Make no mistake we had just as many guns 20 years ago but why do we have far more mass shootings in the last few years and it's getting worse. I have no problems with any kind of background checks and even waiting longer periods to run the background checks is fine with most law abiding gun owners I would think. Red flag laws I am all for that as well. There are too many factors to just say it's the guns. Yes the gun is the tool involved but social media and hate mongering and chat rooms that allow that certainly adds to this problem.


Too many factors? Can you not read a graph?

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From wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_viole ... ted_States

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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:58 pm

InsideMan wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
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Points like this are where the MSM puts their fingers in their ears and says:
"I can't hear you. I can't hear you!!"


classic whataboutism :sarcastic:

the difference is whether is it gang on gang crime or shootings in relation to other crimes being commited like in Chicago (not saying that is is not worth mentioning or sad or something should be done) or someone who decides to kill as many "brown" people as possible to help contain this "infestation". If you're in a gang you're more likely to get shot. If you're a criminal you're more likely to get shot, but if you just wanna go shopping at Walmart, go to a concert in Vegas, your highschool or a gay club, you can't conceivable expect it....

The only thing Republicans care less about than mass shootings is everyday shooting and suicides, and *especially* inner city crime. They don't even bother trotting out prayers for that.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:02 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
InsideMan wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
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Points like this are where the MSM puts their fingers in their ears and says:
"I can't hear you. I can't hear you!!"


classic whataboutism :sarcastic:

the difference is whether is it gang on gang crime or shootings in relation to other crimes being commited like in Chicago (not saying that is is not worth mentioning or sad or something should be done) or someone who decides to kill as many "brown" people as possible to help contain this "infestation". If you're in a gang you're more likely to get shot. If you're a criminal you're more likely to get shot, but if you just wanna go shopping at Walmart, go to a concert in Vegas, your highschool or a gay club, you can't conceivable expect it....

The only thing Republicans care less about than mass shootings is everyday shooting and suicides, and *especially* inner city crime. They don't even bother trotting out prayers for that.

Saying it doesn’t make it true.
https://www.upi.com/News_Photos/view/up ... -suicides/
https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2019/07/27/p ... -suicides/
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingt ... baltimore/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.12news ... b18f596270
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:04 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
InsideMan wrote:

classic whataboutism :sarcastic:

the difference is whether is it gang on gang crime or shootings in relation to other crimes being commited like in Chicago (not saying that is is not worth mentioning or sad or something should be done) or someone who decides to kill as many "brown" people as possible to help contain this "infestation". If you're in a gang you're more likely to get shot. If you're a criminal you're more likely to get shot, but if you just wanna go shopping at Walmart, go to a concert in Vegas, your highschool or a gay club, you can't conceivable expect it....

The only thing Republicans care less about than mass shootings is everyday shooting and suicides, and *especially* inner city crime. They don't even bother trotting out prayers for that.

Saying it doesn’t make it true.
https://www.upi.com/News_Photos/view/up ... -suicides/
https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2019/07/27/p ... -suicides/
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingt ... baltimore/

More nonsense. God you don't even read your own links. Does any of that address guns?
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:33 pm

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VTKillarney wrote:
WIederling wrote:

More or less a faulty question.
"How many 'whiteys' have been left out of the picture" answers the question you should have put.

Okay. How many have been left out? I’m not aware of any. Are you?

I’m still waiting for someone to tell me why the picture is wrong, especially those who have been saying over and over that mass shooters are overwhelmingly white males. Obviously nobody would make a racist statement, so the picture must be wrong. Can anyone please help?


it is a question of "density".

That poster is said to show perpetrators in situations where 4 or more where shot ( just shot or killed? ).
It does not say that this person shot all 4+. could be gang warfare or just a burglary where police did the shooting.

This is not a full match with "mass shooting" ( which I'd describe as one or more persons shooting at unsuspecting groups of people.


There is also a huge difference between gang violence and walking into a mall, Wal-Mart, church, concert and opening fire.

If we were to go by the letter of the law, namely the first four words of the Second Amendment, gang violence would even drop off. Stop using race to divide us, Republicans. Using "but look at Chicago!" is a thinly veiled reference to race. This is not about race. As Republicans say "people kill people". With guns. Quickly and easy to obtain. Maybe if we did like Switzerland and only those in the military could have high capacity weapons with the proper training and storage AND we have low cost health care covering mental illness, some things will change for the better. But, Republicans hate both those ideas, so the domestic terrorism will continue enabled by Republicans.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:41 pm

seb146 wrote:
WIederling wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
Okay. How many have been left out? I’m not aware of any. Are you?

I’m still waiting for someone to tell me why the picture is wrong, especially those who have been saying over and over that mass shooters are overwhelmingly white males. Obviously nobody would make a racist statement, so the picture must be wrong. Can anyone please help?


it is a question of "density".

That poster is said to show perpetrators in situations where 4 or more where shot ( just shot or killed? ).
It does not say that this person shot all 4+. could be gang warfare or just a burglary where police did the shooting.

This is not a full match with "mass shooting" ( which I'd describe as one or more persons shooting at unsuspecting groups of people.


There is also a huge difference between gang violence and walking into a mall, Wal-Mart, church, concert and opening fire.

No. Just no. Violence is not worse just because it happens in a place that has more white people. Victims of gang violence should not be ignored.
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:44 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
seb146 wrote:
WIederling wrote:

it is a question of "density".

That poster is said to show perpetrators in situations where 4 or more where shot ( just shot or killed? ).
It does not say that this person shot all 4+. could be gang warfare or just a burglary where police did the shooting.

This is not a full match with "mass shooting" ( which I'd describe as one or more persons shooting at unsuspecting groups of people.


There is also a huge difference between gang violence and walking into a mall, Wal-Mart, church, concert and opening fire.

No. Just no. Violence is not worse just because it happens in a place that has more white people. Victims of gang violence should not be ignored.


Yet that is what the Republican party is willing to do by doing nothing and siding with NRA and gun manufacturers. All lives matter until they leave the womb should be a major platform in the Republican party. Honestly, that is how they do.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:50 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
InsideMan wrote:

classic whataboutism :sarcastic:

the difference is whether is it gang on gang crime or shootings in relation to other crimes being commited like in Chicago (not saying that is is not worth mentioning or sad or something should be done) or someone who decides to kill as many "brown" people as possible to help contain this "infestation". If you're in a gang you're more likely to get shot. If you're a criminal you're more likely to get shot, but if you just wanna go shopping at Walmart, go to a concert in Vegas, your highschool or a gay club, you can't conceivable expect it....

The only thing Republicans care less about than mass shootings is everyday shooting and suicides, and *especially* inner city crime. They don't even bother trotting out prayers for that.

Saying it doesn’t make it true.
https://www.upi.com/News_Photos/view/up ... -suicides/
https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2019/07/27/p ... -suicides/
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingt ... baltimore/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.12news ... b18f596270


OK folks, this poster is absolutely convinced of his position and is unprepared to concede anything. This isn't an argument. We all have better things to do.
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:53 pm

VTKillarney wrote:
seb146 wrote:
WIederling wrote:

it is a question of "density".

That poster is said to show perpetrators in situations where 4 or more where shot ( just shot or killed? ).
It does not say that this person shot all 4+. could be gang warfare or just a burglary where police did the shooting.

This is not a full match with "mass shooting" ( which I'd describe as one or more persons shooting at unsuspecting groups of people.


There is also a huge difference between gang violence and walking into a mall, Wal-Mart, church, concert and opening fire.

No. Just no. Violence is not worse just because it happens in a place that has more white people. Victims of gang violence should not be ignored.


Right and that’s why red staters were so concerned about Chicago before 45 started mentioning it every week. Nexxxxxxxt.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:53 pm

seb146 wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
seb146 wrote:

There is also a huge difference between gang violence and walking into a mall, Wal-Mart, church, concert and opening fire.

No. Just no. Violence is not worse just because it happens in a place that has more white people. Victims of gang violence should not be ignored.


Yet that is what the Republican party is willing to do by doing nothing and siding with NRA and gun manufacturers. All lives matter until they leave the womb should be a major platform in the Republican party. Honestly, that is how they do.

I always forget about "all lives matter". To paraphrase America's best Christian, how would we know republicans care about all lives if they didn't constantly tell us? :rotfl:
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:17 pm

stratosphere wrote:
Concierge wrote:
VTKillarney wrote:
It’s fine if they want to pass something because of the overall problem if whatever they are doing is well researched. Maybe they should have a while ago.

It’s absurd to pass something because of a single incident without even knowing the facts. That’s bad governance, plain and simple.

It’s the latter that was advocated for.


The facts are in. The house has passed universal background checks. For me the clock started ticking after Sandy Hook. Three mas s killings in eight days. It's well past time to act.


We already have background checks and the shooters in both California garlic fest and the Dayton OH shootings bought their guns legally and the Dayton shooter had a high capacity mag that was illegal and that didn't stop him.


Which he probably got as easily as Anders Breivik did, by purchasing it off eBay or a legitimate store on some permissive state.

Maybe it's time to think that maybe high capacity mags don't really add anything to civilian use of firearms and should be banned everywhere.
 
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:40 pm

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My guess is that, for the families, it's not tragically hilarious - it's just tragic.


Sure, for them.

For everyone else it goes something like this:
1 - mass shooting happens
2 - people in shock and grief struggling to understand what's happened
3 - offer thoughts and prayers
4 - do nothing else
5 - goto 1.

:banghead:

How can an advanced, first-world society allow this situation to continue to exist? It's tragically hilarious.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:53 pm

scbriml wrote:
NoTime wrote:
My guess is that, for the families, it's not tragically hilarious - it's just tragic.


Sure, for them.

For everyone else it goes something like this:
1 - mass shooting happens
2 - people in shock and grief struggling to understand what's happened
3 - offer thoughts and prayers
4 - do nothing else
5 - goto 1.

:banghead:

How can an advanced, first-world society allow this situation to continue to exist? It's tragically hilarious.


Dur to the number of deaths related to drunk driving, I would suggest the draconian measure of banning all alcohol use outside the home for starters. But that's not going to happen is it. So the great measures to cut down on gun violence will never happen either. And accessibility to alcohol is not even a constitutional right.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:00 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
scbriml wrote:
NoTime wrote:
My guess is that, for the families, it's not tragically hilarious - it's just tragic.


Sure, for them.

For everyone else it goes something like this:
1 - mass shooting happens
2 - people in shock and grief struggling to understand what's happened
3 - offer thoughts and prayers
4 - do nothing else
5 - goto 1.

:banghead:

How can an advanced, first-world society allow this situation to continue to exist? It's tragically hilarious.


Dur to the number of deaths related to drunk driving, I would suggest the draconian measure of banning all alcohol use outside the home for starters. But that's not going to happen is it. So the great measures to cut down on gun violence will never happen either. And accessibility to alcohol is not even a constitutional right.


You're equating drink-driving with mass shootings? Who's talking about a complete ban? Why do gun advocates always jump immediately to that position - "Y'all want ma gunz!"

So you're completely OK with all the mass shooting? Or you're not OK, but can't be bothered to do anything about it, because? Which is it?
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