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Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:59 am

This may sound strange, but I’ve been invested in the efforts to save the United States from scrap, and the countless failed attempts to reuse it. But can it be used again? Some things I’ve been thinking of is a floatel in NYC, return to service with modern interior, and (probably the silliest of all) an advanced floating navy base for the military. Thoughts?
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:15 am

I honestly thought it already had been scrapped.

At any rate the last time this subject came up we found out the interior is entirely gutted, the engines are hopelessly outdated and would require cutting the ship into pieces to remove and replace, and the hull design is several generations behind current practice. The passageways are in all likelihood far too narrow to meet current accessibility and evacuation standards for public buildings such as hotels, plus it would likely need to have numerous fire escapes added as well.

If it was a ship in pristine condition that had only been retired from service a short time ago then some or all of these challenges might be grandfathered away, but as it sits now it is merely a pale mirage of it's former self and the perfect example of the adage that "A ship is a hole in the water that you pour money into" if anyone attempts to use it as anything but an artificial reef and dive destination.

Tow it to Florida, sink it in a place that has clear water and isn't too deep, and pray that it doesn't break up, sink, and block shipping lanes somewhere along the way.
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:16 am

A floating hotel would be the 'least improbable' solution, but even then, the business case is very tenuous at best.

Ships are expensive to maintain, and those that sit idle for long periods deteriorate very badly. I expect refitting it to a state in which it could be inhabited would probably cost more than having a brand new ship of the same size built... And once you're there, there's the maintenance.

You probably are familiar with them already, but I'd look into what they've done in LA with the Queen Mary and in Dubai more recently with the QE2 to explore the feasibility of a similar project.
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:44 am

Aurantiaco wrote:
This may sound strange, but I’ve been invested in the efforts to save the United States from scrap, and the countless failed attempts to reuse it. But can it be used again? Some things I’ve been thinking of is a floatel in NYC, return to service with modern interior, and (probably the silliest of all) an advanced floating navy base for the military. Thoughts?


(Half)Sink it in Macao and the British MI5 may show interest?
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:58 pm

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I honestly thought it already had been scrapped.

At any rate the last time this subject came up we found out the interior is entirely gutted, the engines are hopelessly outdated and would require cutting the ship into pieces to remove and replace, and the hull design is several generations behind current practice. The passageways are in all likelihood far too narrow to meet current accessibility


Tow it to Florida, sink it in a place that has clear water and isn't too deep, and pray that it doesn't break up, sink, and block shipping lanes somewhere along the way.


1. Are there any regulations on that and what are the specifications on the ships’ hallways?
2. I think that would be a far more disrespectful option considering the history of the ship. Sinking it and leaving it to rot and collapse eventually is like discarding the liberty bell because it hasn’t been used in centuries.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:21 pm

This is almost an annual topic in the non av forum, she’s junk, she will never be saved, she will never be operational again, she won’t be turned in a museum, the best thing for this ship is to be scrapped or sunk as an artificial reef.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:28 pm

Aurantiaco wrote:
TSS wrote:
I honestly thought it already had been scrapped.

At any rate the last time this subject came up we found out the interior is entirely gutted, the engines are hopelessly outdated and would require cutting the ship into pieces to remove and replace, and the hull design is several generations behind current practice. The passageways are in all likelihood far too narrow to meet current accessibility


Tow it to Florida, sink it in a place that has clear water and isn't too deep, and pray that it doesn't break up, sink, and block shipping lanes somewhere along the way.


1. Are there any regulations on that and what are the specifications on the ships’ hallways?
2. I think that would be a far more disrespectful option considering the history of the ship. Sinking it and leaving it to rot and collapse eventually is like discarding the liberty bell because it hasn’t been used in centuries.


What’s historic about her? She’s an old liner that operated for only 16 years, she’s been laid up for the past 41 years, the average American probably wouldn’t have a clue she even existed or if they did that she is still floating today. The liberty bell costs a lot less to maintain than SS United States.
 
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:48 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
Aurantiaco wrote:
TSS wrote:
I honestly thought it already had been scrapped.

At any rate the last time this subject came up we found out the interior is entirely gutted, the engines are hopelessly outdated and would require cutting the ship into pieces to remove and replace, and the hull design is several generations behind current practice. The passageways are in all likelihood far too narrow to meet current accessibility


Tow it to Florida, sink it in a place that has clear water and isn't too deep, and pray that it doesn't break up, sink, and block shipping lanes somewhere along the way.


1. Are there any regulations on that and what are the specifications on the ships’ hallways?
2. I think that would be a far more disrespectful option considering the history of the ship. Sinking it and leaving it to rot and collapse eventually is like discarding the liberty bell because it hasn’t been used in centuries.


What’s historic about her? She’s an old liner that operated for only 16 years, she’s been laid up for the past 41 years, the average American probably wouldn’t have a clue she even existed or if they did that she is still floating today. The liberty bell costs a lot less to maintain than SS United States.

She carried many prominent figures, I.e presidents and many celebrities, and still holds the record for one of the fastest ships in the world.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:53 pm

Aurantiaco wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
Aurantiaco wrote:

1. Are there any regulations on that and what are the specifications on the ships’ hallways?
2. I think that would be a far more disrespectful option considering the history of the ship. Sinking it and leaving it to rot and collapse eventually is like discarding the liberty bell because it hasn’t been used in centuries.


What’s historic about her? She’s an old liner that operated for only 16 years, she’s been laid up for the past 41 years, the average American probably wouldn’t have a clue she even existed or if they did that she is still floating today. The liberty bell costs a lot less to maintain than SS United States.

She carried many prominent figures, I.e presidents and many celebrities, and still holds the record for one of the fastest ships in the world.


That doesn’t really mean much if anything at all. The interior she had when carrying those people is long gone, she’s basically a hulk. They can’t get money to do anything with her because IMO the vast majority of people don’t know anything about her and if they do they simply don’t care what happens to her.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:13 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
What’s historic about her? She’s an old liner that operated for only 16 years, she’s been laid up for the past 41 years, the average American probably wouldn’t have a clue she even existed or if they did that she is still floating today. The liberty bell costs a lot less to maintain than SS United States.
I agree. As far as turning her into a hotel, it wouldn't work. I stayed on the Queen Mary on my wedding night but that was because I'm a ship enthusiast. The rooms suck compared to a good hotel.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:08 pm

The most practical use I can see for her is as a dive location somewhere in the gulf or off of Florida where there is a need for artificial reefs. Refitting her for use as an ocean liner or hotel is cost prohibitive since she would have to be brought up to current code before being put into use. There was a paddlewheeler in Chattanooga not too long ago that couldn’t operate on the river because she lacked modern safety equipment and it would have been very costly to bring her up to code. I don’t know what happened to her though, wasn’t there the last time that I visited.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:22 pm

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The most practical use I can see for her is as a dive location somewhere in the gulf or off of Florida where there is a need for artificial reefs. Refitting her for use as an ocean liner or hotel is cost prohibitive since she would have to be brought up to current code before being put into use. There was a paddlewheeler in Chattanooga not too long ago that couldn’t operate on the river because she lacked modern safety equipment and it would have been very costly to bring her up to code. I don’t know what happened to her though, wasn’t there the last time that I visited.

That just begs the question: CAN it be brought up to code?
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:24 pm

Tow it to Sausalito and abandon it. It would make the ultimate anchor out. It would solve the whole bay area's homeless problem.

I can picture it flying a pirate's flag.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:25 pm

Aurantiaco wrote:
LittleSprocket wrote:
The most practical use I can see for her is as a dive location somewhere in the gulf or off of Florida where there is a need for artificial reefs. Refitting her for use as an ocean liner or hotel is cost prohibitive since she would have to be brought up to current code before being put into use. There was a paddlewheeler in Chattanooga not too long ago that couldn’t operate on the river because she lacked modern safety equipment and it would have been very costly to bring her up to code. I don’t know what happened to her though, wasn’t there the last time that I visited.

That just begs the question: CAN it be brought up to code?
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:39 pm

Aurantiaco wrote:
LittleSprocket wrote:
The most practical use I can see for her is as a dive location somewhere in the gulf or off of Florida where there is a need for artificial reefs. Refitting her for use as an ocean liner or hotel is cost prohibitive since she would have to be brought up to current code before being put into use. There was a paddlewheeler in Chattanooga not too long ago that couldn’t operate on the river because she lacked modern safety equipment and it would have been very costly to bring her up to code. I don’t know what happened to her though, wasn’t there the last time that I visited.

That just begs the question: CAN it be brought up to code?


Crystal dropped their plans to purchase and bring her back into operation, it was too difficult and not commercial viable.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:41 pm

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LittleSprocket wrote:
The most practical use I can see for her is as a dive location somewhere in the gulf or off of Florida where there is a need for artificial reefs. Refitting her for use as an ocean liner or hotel is cost prohibitive since she would have to be brought up to current code before being put into use. There was a paddlewheeler in Chattanooga not too long ago that couldn’t operate on the river because she lacked modern safety equipment and it would have been very costly to bring her up to code. I don’t know what happened to her though, wasn’t there the last time that I visited.

That just begs the question: CAN it be brought up to code?


Can it be brought up to code? Yes it can, the question that investors in the project will ask is whether or not it would be economically feasible to do so. I don’t really think it would tbh. It is really a niche market for those that want to stay the night on a ship hotel. Really, the only viable option I can see besides sinking her would be to anchor her out at sea or tied to a pier as a casino and resort but there are more modern ships that would be cheaper to convert. She is a beautiful ship with our countries namesake, it’s sad to see the state that she is in today. Something that I just read about her stated that it would take between $700 million and $1 billion to restore her to a seaworthy state.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:57 am

Kiwirob wrote:
Aurantiaco wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

What’s historic about her? She’s an old liner that operated for only 16 years, she’s been laid up for the past 41 years, the average American probably wouldn’t have a clue she even existed or if they did that she is still floating today. The liberty bell costs a lot less to maintain than SS United States.


She carried many prominent figures, I.e presidents and many celebrities, and still holds the record for one of the fastest ships in the world.


That doesn’t really mean much if anything at all. The interior she had when carrying those people is long gone, she’s basically a hulk. They can’t get money to do anything with her because IMO the vast majority of people don’t know anything about her and if they do they simply don’t care what happens to her.


I think it's worth noting that Kiwirob and I, who almost never agree about anything, are in full agreement on this one particular subject. As Kiwirob pointed out, it isn't costing between $60,000 and $80,000 A MONTH for the Liberty Bell to just sit where it is as is the case with the SS United States. I've seen recent photos of the ship and indeed, from the outside it doesn't look to be in that bad a shape. However, all these people who believe it can be returned to service/"it's former glory" based on external appearance should be given a guided tour along with a contractor of the inside of the ship so they can see first-hand just how much work would be needed and how much it would cost in real dollars for that to happen.
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:36 am

Didn't Norwegian Cruise Line purchase her ten or more years back, intent on restoring her, and then gave up? Did they just write her off, or sell her outright?
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:41 am

Found a cool virtual tour of her from 2014 in Google Maps:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9185843 ... 312!8i6656
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:06 am

The Company I work in has some serious business in shipyards all around Europe.
I visited some of them in Italy.
Building a new cruise ship is way easier and cheaper than repairing an old one.
So I don't think USS United States can ever be restored.
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am

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Some things I’ve been thinking of is a floatel in NYC


Possibly the only realistic chance it has. Given the ever increasing property prices in major cities, investors could be interested in funneling money into that sort of project. But any ship would do for that task, just as newer ones would be better for that than a 1940s design.

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This is almost an annual topic in the non av forum, she’s junk, she will never be saved, she will never be operational again, she won’t be turned in a museum, the best thing for this ship is to be scrapped or sunk as an artificial reef.


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Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:55 pm

Take her to Fuerteventura and have her rest next to her sister who, for nearly 20 years, was an attraction in and of herself. Or take her to shallow waters and sink her as an artificial reef/recreational scuba diving spot.
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:45 pm

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I honestly thought it already had been scrapped.

At any rate the last time this subject came up we found out the interior is entirely gutted, the engines are hopelessly outdated and would require cutting the ship into pieces to remove and replace, and the hull design is several generations behind current practice. The passageways are in all likelihood far too narrow to meet current accessibility and evacuation standards for public buildings such as hotels, plus it would likely need to have numerous fire escapes added as well.

If it was a ship in pristine condition that had only been retired from service a short time ago then some or all of these challenges might be grandfathered away, but as it sits now it is merely a pale mirage of it's former self and the perfect example of the adage that "A ship is a hole in the water that you pour money into" if anyone attempts to use it as anything but an artificial reef and dive destination.

Tow it to Florida, sink it in a place that has clear water and isn't too deep, and pray that it doesn't break up, sink, and block shipping lanes somewhere along the way.


For ships they have to comply with the SOLAS convention and that is so much then just fire escapes and hallway width.
For example fire safety would need smoke detectors (lots of new wiring), sprinklers (lots if new piping), fire doors/fire cells more stairs and fire escapes.
You would also need modern lifeboats and life rafts as well as modern type of mounting for them. Sanitation (toilets, showers, and etc) would also be needed.
Bringing such an old ship to up the standard would be like re-building the ship from scratch which might not even be possible and then building a new ship from scratch
would be both cheaper and safer imo.
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:16 pm

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Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

No she won't ever be used again for her intended purpose.

Yes she can be used again and her best use now is as an artificial reef.

Sure she has the "name" but it is just two words that were attached to a ship. They can be attached to another equally worth ship if desired. No need to spend $1,000,000,000+ (and probably a lot more "+" as at that cost any further use would need to be subsidized going forward) for silly... what.... pride(?) over the name of a vessel.

Love the ship and her story as it began but come on folks.

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Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:24 pm

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Didn't Norwegian Cruise Line purchase her ten or more years back, intent on restoring her, and then gave up? Did they just write her off, or sell her outright?


Norwegian and Crystal have both looked at her and have both come to the same conclusion, she’s uneconomical to repair and return to service. She’s toast.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:27 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
Take her to Fuerteventura and have her rest next to her sister who, for nearly 20 years, was an attraction in and of herself. Or take her to shallow waters and sink her as an artificial reef/recreational scuba diving spot.


She would be far to dangerous to use as a recreational driving location.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:32 pm

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a recreational driving location.

Well duh. No ramps for cars from the pier onto the ship, plus too many cars would sink her. And once she's sunk, they still haven't made submersible sedans so it's not like I can still drive around. :biggrin:
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Whoops ‘diving location’
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:49 pm

LittleSprocket wrote:
Aurantiaco wrote:
LittleSprocket wrote:
The most practical use I can see for her is as a dive location somewhere in the gulf or off of Florida where there is a need for artificial reefs. Refitting her for use as an ocean liner or hotel is cost prohibitive since she would have to be brought up to current code before being put into use. There was a paddlewheeler in Chattanooga not too long ago that couldn’t operate on the river because she lacked modern safety equipment and it would have been very costly to bring her up to code. I don’t know what happened to her though, wasn’t there the last time that I visited.

That just begs the question: CAN it be brought up to code?


Can it be brought up to code? Yes it can, the question that investors in the project will ask is whether or not it would be economically feasible to do so. I don’t really think it would tbh. It is really a niche market for those that want to stay the night on a ship hotel. Really, the only viable option I can see besides sinking her would be to anchor her out at sea or tied to a pier as a casino and resort but there are more modern ships that would be cheaper to convert. She is a beautiful ship with our countries namesake, it’s sad to see the state that she is in today. Something that I just read about her stated that it would take between $700 million and $1 billion to restore her to a seaworthy state.

I personally think if the Queen Mary hotel can succeed, then the SSUS can too.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:02 pm

Fact is SSUS (SS United Stated will be so referred to here-in) probably can't be anything but either a reef or scrap...

Sitting in the elements for decades, no fittings anymore, would need a total interior refit, new electrical, probably totally new propulsion, the cabins would not stand up to modern expectations, and new plumbing... a new ship would be cheaper and faster to build so why bother? The hull is so much steel, and that's about all she's worth now.

And really what is the big deal about her? Yes she won the Blue Riband, but other ships that have have been scrapped... or worse. In fact exactly ONE liner that held the Blue Riband survives, the Queen Mary, which is far more relevant historically than the SSUS. Passengers of the SSUS called her bland and antiseptic overall... So... really... send her to Alang and be done with it. She isn't THAT historically relevant... no more than the Normandie, Rex or Bremen... all Blue Riband holders and all of which were scrapped.

Being a "liner" didn't save the Blue Lady/Norway/France which arguably would of been easier to use as a hotel or attraction than the SSUS would be.
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:40 am

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Passengers of the SSUS called her bland and antiseptic overall...

Where did you get that from?
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:31 am

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I personally think if the Queen Mary hotel can succeed, then the SSUS can too.
Their situations are totally different. The QM sailed directly to LGB after retirement and was converted while mostly intact. The SSUS has been sitting around deteriorating for the last several decades.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:41 am

Aurantiaco wrote:
northstardc4m wrote:
Passengers of the SSUS called her bland and antiseptic overall...

Where did you get that from?
One example

https://maritimematters.com/2012/09/ss- ... ok-inside/

"Considered sterile by many at the time, her interiors were composed of fireproof materials and heavily employed linoleum, brushed steel, glass and Marinite (panels made of an asbestos compound)."

There are many celebrity statements of similar ilk around the internet, books etc as well.

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I personally think if the Queen Mary hotel can succeed, then the SSUS can too.


Their situations are totally different. The QM sailed directly to LGB after retirement and was converted while mostly intact. The SSUS has been sitting around deteriorating for the last several decades.


Exactly! As I said in my first response to this thread-

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At any rate the last time this subject came up we found out the interior is entirely gutted, the engines are hopelessly outdated and would require cutting the ship into pieces to remove and replace, and the hull design is several generations behind current practice. The passageways are in all likelihood far too narrow to meet current accessibility and evacuation standards for public buildings such as hotels, plus it would likely need to have numerous fire escapes added as well.

If it was a ship in pristine condition that had only been retired from service a short time ago then some or all of these challenges might be grandfathered away, but as it sits now it is merely a pale mirage of it's former self


northstardc4m wrote:
Aurantiaco wrote:
northstardc4m wrote:
Passengers of the SSUS called her bland and antiseptic overall...


Where did you get that from?


One example

https://maritimematters.com/2012/09/ss- ... ok-inside/

"Considered sterile by many at the time, her interiors were composed of fireproof materials and heavily employed linoleum, brushed steel, glass and Marinite (panels made of an asbestos compound)."

There are many celebrity statements of similar ilk around the internet, books etc as well.


So basically even during it's "heyday" the SS United States had the interior decor of an operating room. Nice.

One small mark in the plus column is that most or all of that has been removed.
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:32 am

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an advanced floating navy base for the military. Thoughts?


I must have missed this one earlier. The navy already have advanced floating military bases known as aircraft carriers. Should the navy decide they need a different type of floating military base, perhaps as a floating command center, they mothball/decommission/retire perfectly seaworthy if not up-to-the-minute design-wise ships all the time and could simply take their pick of those to repurpose.
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:57 am

Wasn't it the case that aside from being a late entrant into the world of fast liners, her build was partly funded by the DoD as memories were fresh of how reliant the US had been on the Cunard liners in WW2? (The numbers of GI's and stores carried, mainly across the pond in the run up to D-Day was staggering and they were fast enough that the U-Boats never got near).

So the US wanted a fast liner, the SSUS power-plants being expensively derived from Aircraft Carrier plants, which not only made it fast but expensive to operate, whose interior fittings were optimized for rapid conversion to troop carrier rather than luxury, just as better pressurized airliners became the norm and then the jetliners.
So the concept of using a large fast liner as a major military asset was gone, unless you were the British in 1982!
 
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:46 pm

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I personally think if the Queen Mary hotel can succeed, then the SSUS can too.
Their situations are totally different. The QM sailed directly to LGB after retirement and was converted while mostly intact. The SSUS has been sitting around deteriorating for the last several decades.

In my opinion, this leaves a blank canvas for the ship’s interior. The Queen Mary has had some complaints for its old interior, so maybe the SSUS can be fitted with modern technology alongside replicas of its original fittings. The only downside, as most people said, is the cost.
 
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:49 pm

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Aurantiaco wrote:
an advanced floating navy base for the military. Thoughts?


I must have missed this one earlier. The navy already have advanced floating military bases known as aircraft carriers. Should the navy decide they need a different type of floating military base, perhaps as a floating command center, they mothball/decommission/retire perfectly seaworthy if not up-to-the-minute design-wise ships all the time and could simply take their pick of those to repurpose.

True, but a possible use could be floating barracks for soldiers being delivered to their ships or bases, and in this case this hypothetical ship might be able to guide sea missions from its position. Just a thought.
 
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:27 pm

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the cost.

Is everything.

It is not worth it. And I LOVE the old ocean liners of the golden era, including the SS United States. Honestly one of my fears that that she might be remade into a joke of her former self without proper resources and die and wither in humiliation.

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True, but a possible use could be floating barracks for soldiers being delivered to their ships or bases, and in this case this hypothetical ship might be able to guide sea missions from its position.

You are making things up, there is no use case like this. And quite frankly if it were needed, a ship could be built faster and cheaper than refurbishing the SSUS.

I'd love it if some billionaire would blow their money and remake her to her full original glorious self. But it ain't gonna happen, and any other option has zero cost benefit.

She deserves the dignity of returning to the sea as a reef and not going to Alang to be shredded.

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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:40 pm

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She deserves the dignity of returning to the sea as a reef and not going to Alang to be shredded.

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You're right but there's no need to worry about Alang. She wouldn't be able to make that journey anyway.
 
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:38 pm

Aurantiaco wrote:
True, but a possible use could be floating barracks for soldiers being delivered to their ships or bases, and in this case this hypothetical ship might be able to guide sea missions from its position. Just a thought.
That's what planes are for. The military hasn't used ships for transporting men overseas in decades.
 
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:01 pm

Aurantiaco wrote:
In my opinion, this leaves a blank canvas for the ship’s interior. The Queen Mary has had some complaints for its old interior, so maybe the SSUS can be fitted with modern technology alongside replicas of its original fittings. The only downside, as most people said, is the cost.

Have you even seen the inside of the SSUS? It's stripped down to just a metal interior. Not a big deal if just retired from service, but a big deal when it's been decaying for decades. It's much more than simply putting panels back. You have reverse corrosion where you can, bring the interior structure to current regulations before you can even begin to put walls and partitions.

Just let it go. This is akin to keeping a person with a terminal illness on life support in the hopes that they can find a cure or a treatment. The longer someone waits to make repairs, the costlier it becomes and the less likely it is that anyone will even consider it.
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:02 pm

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That just begs the question: CAN it be brought up to code?


Can it be brought up to code? Yes it can, the question that investors in the project will ask is whether or not it would be economically feasible to do so. I don’t really think it would tbh. It is really a niche market for those that want to stay the night on a ship hotel. Really, the only viable option I can see besides sinking her would be to anchor her out at sea or tied to a pier as a casino and resort but there are more modern ships that would be cheaper to convert. She is a beautiful ship with our countries namesake, it’s sad to see the state that she is in today. Something that I just read about her stated that it would take between $700 million and $1 billion to restore her to a seaworthy state.

I personally think if the Queen Mary hotel can succeed, then the SSUS can too.


Not the same the Queen Mary wasn’t left to rot for 42 years before they turned her into a hotel, besides Queen Mary had a far longer and more storied career than SS United States, she was arguably the more famous vessel and her interior was ripped out and sold off.

It would also cost hundreds of millions of dollars to turn her into a hotel, then there’s the upkeep. It’s simply not worth the effort.
 
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:09 pm

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Passengers of the SSUS called her bland and antiseptic overall...

Where did you get that from?


Her interiors were very basic, quite austere, nothing like the two Cunard Queens.
 
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:15 pm

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Aurantiaco wrote:
True, but a possible use could be floating barracks for soldiers being delivered to their ships or bases, and in this case this hypothetical ship might be able to guide sea missions from its position. Just a thought.
That's what planes are for. The military hasn't used ships for transporting men overseas in decades.


Better tell that to the Marines they got a lot of places using the gator navy.
 
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:52 pm

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Aurantiaco wrote:
I personally think if the Queen Mary hotel can succeed, then the SSUS can too.


Their situations are totally different. The QM sailed directly to LGB after retirement and was converted while mostly intact. The SSUS has been sitting around deteriorating for the last several decades.


In my opinion, this leaves a blank canvas for the ship’s interior. The Queen Mary has had some complaints for its old interior, so maybe the SSUS can be fitted with modern technology alongside replicas of its original fittings.


From what I've heard the complaints about the Queen Mary's interior aren't based on the decor or fitments but instead on the relatively tiny rooms when compared with modern vessels like cruise ships. The SS United States would have similarly-sized rooms from which space would have to be subtracted to widen hallways, etc.

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The only downside, as most people said, is the cost.

And in any scenario you'd care to suggest for repurposing the SS United States, the cost would be vastly less to simply build a ship for that purpose from scratch. It is too far gone, it has sat for far too long without maintenance, anything of value was stripped from it long ago including it's propellors, let it go to a watery grave with whatever tiny shred of dignity it has left intact.
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:58 pm

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johns624 wrote:
Aurantiaco wrote:
True, but a possible use could be floating barracks for soldiers being delivered to their ships or bases, and in this case this hypothetical ship might be able to guide sea missions from its position. Just a thought.


That's what planes are for. The military hasn't used ships for transporting men overseas in decades.


Better tell that to the Marines they got a lot of places using the gator navy.


Oh great, now you'll have him fantasizing about converting the SS United States into a giant amphibian landing craft for the Marines. All it would take is (someone else's) money, right?
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:40 pm

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northstardc4m wrote:
Passengers of the SSUS called her bland and antiseptic overall...

Where did you get that from?
One example

https://maritimematters.com/2012/09/ss- ... ok-inside/

"Considered sterile by many at the time, her interiors were composed of fireproof materials and heavily employed linoleum, brushed steel, glass and Marinite (panels made of an asbestos compound)."

There are many celebrity statements of similar ilk around the internet, books etc as well.

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I think by sterile they mean clean.
 
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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:48 pm

Aurantiaco wrote:
northstardc4m wrote:
Aurantiaco wrote:
Where did you get that from?
One example

https://maritimematters.com/2012/09/ss- ... ok-inside/

"Considered sterile by many at the time, her interiors were composed of fireproof materials and heavily employed linoleum, brushed steel, glass and Marinite (panels made of an asbestos compound)."

There are many celebrity statements of similar ilk around the internet, books etc as well.

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I think by sterile they mean clean.

No, they most definitely did not mean "clean". I have read a lot on the great ocean liners and the United States was just not opulent and was never described as such. It was always on the the side of "efficient" (interior fitment-wise) and lean. It was fitted to be fireproof and light-weight (including attempting to get an aluminum grand piano!):
There were five primarily design principles that went into the SS United States. Deviation from these principles was not tolerated by the Gibbs brothers. First, the ship had to be fireproof. There was a saying that the only wood to be found onboard was in the galley chopping block and in the ship's pianos. During construction, if William Francis Gibbs saw wood incorporated anywhere onboard the ship, he would personally remove it and substitute it with an aluminum part. In fact, Gibbs tried unsuccessfully to persuade Theodore Steinway to build an aluminum piano to be used onboard the ship.

http://www.ss-united-states.net/SSUnite ... uction.htm

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Re: Can, or will, the SS United States be used again?

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:07 am

Maybe as a hotel and museum ship in either New York City or Newport News. Also, since asbestos has been removed, the SS United States would be easier and cheaper to convert and restore than it if it's interiors were intact. The SS United States is also in good condition and was not structurally changed like the Queen Mary when that ship was converted in Long Beach.

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