Klaus wrote:A101 wrote:Well I would not tar all those how voted to leave say they hope the EU fails and falls over.
Haven't you been one of the louder ones at that?
Well if you can find a quote attributed to myself good luck
Klaus wrote:A101 wrote:I have said it a number of times what other members do is up to them and I certainly would not pass judgement on those who may which to do so especially when I don’t live there. It’s a known fact that both the EU-UK will want trade to continue, there are competing issues for both EU-UK now.
Yes, but Theresa May and Boris Johnson have already had to realize to their chagrin that the European Union takes its priorities on the protection of its Single Market and of all its other structures deadly serious – and everything else is secondary to that.
Illusions about that fact have been instrumental in the Brexit propaganda, but they have only been illusions all along.
Nothing is stopping you from protecting the single market,but trying to tie the UK in regulatory harmonisation is not what free trade is all about. if it comes to that I hope Boris has the good sense to tell the EU GF.
Their has been no illusions hence the very fact that No deal was very real, your mistake is that politics intervened for TM in the way of the DUP and TM was naïve enough to believe the EU words in regards to the backstop, as for BJ I know you like to believe that the EU totally got there own way in the revised WA but concessions happened on both sides to move forward, whatever you think you have achieved there still is a remote chance a customs border can run along the ROI/NI border, but on the current WA I don't see that happening as NI has the best of both worlds for trade within the internal markets of the EU/UK. Boris doesn't have to worry about a rebel parliament anymore
Klaus wrote:A101 wrote:Preliminary negotiations would have been happening when the UK were rolling over the FTA with third nations and the government would have a general idea on how to proceed. I’m not overly confident that BJ will have it sort by next year but I can see his point of wanting it done by then.
And I'd want to win the Lottery...!
Everyone wants to win lottery, but that's got nothing to do with the FTA
Klaus wrote:A101 wrote:As to the SNP seeking a second indyref they have been plotting that since the first one, it was always know before the 2014 referenda that their was a possibility that the UK might vote to leave as there was a push at one stage in 2013 to hold the EU ref before the 2015 GE, so there are grounds to deny the second.
The use of false pretenses in the first IndyRef lends no justification to the denial of a new one whatsoever.
Everything is a false pretence to the majority of your lot, but if you actually read what I wrote did i state a position where I personally would deny them another vote, just stating the obvious from a government point of view, even Corbyn didn't guarantee there would be a second Scottish referenda
Klaus wrote:A101 wrote:But I also see the irony on what the SNP want and using the justification of leaving the EU, if they truly believe in being independent why would you want to join an institution that takes away its own sovereignty and have to accept that they will no longer have 100% control of making laws and judicial independence strange to me. They want independence but relinquish it at the same time that’s not independence to me no different to remaining in the UK.
Yeah, well, you're still clinging to the propaganda lies from the Brexit campaign but by now the relative weights of Ireland (fully backed by the other 26 EU members) vs. the UK should have been able to open your eyes to how national sovereignty is actually amplified by EU mambership – and no larger country had actually benefitted from that to the extent the UK had, ironically.
You keep telling yourself that...……..Oh and I remember Taoiseach Enda Kenny saying in regards to European Commission's ruling in regards to Apple that and I Quote " "This is about Ireland, it is about our people, it's about us as a sovereign nation, actually setting out what we consider our appropriate policies" seems like the European Commission had other ideas about sovereignty
Klaus wrote:You're now throwing your influence away in exchange for a voteless, completely dependent state followed by a still voteless state afterwards where you'll have to follow external rules and regulations to an extent the UK has never known in its recent history – with zero say on any of it!
Just like every other country who deals with the EU which also means whatever changes the government makes in regards to the sovereign area of the UK the EU has to follow as well