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At least 5 dead in West Texas shooting after traffic stop

Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:22 pm
by Ken777
To Honor (Celebrate?) the new Gun Law in Texas there was a Mass Shooting before the Law was signed and NOW there were multiple shots fired in Midland/Odessa Texas.

5 Killed, 21 Injured and, of course, the Shooter dead.

Texas gotta be proud. Texas Proud.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:45 pm
by M564038
Yes! Gotta have those guns to keep the country safe! It is working out really good!
USA! USA! USA!

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:04 am
by MaverickM11
Ken777 wrote:
To Honor (Celebrate?) the new Gun Law in Texas there was a Mass Shooting before the Law was signed and NOW there were multiple shots fired in Midland/Odessa Texas.

5 Killed, 21 Injured and, of course, the Shooter dead.

Texas gotta be proud. Texas Proud.

I wonder which one of them that goes into effect tomorrow would have prevented this. Or any mass shooting. Or any gun death.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:05 am
by einsteinboricua
But where were the good guys with guns? For a state that's flooded with guns, they seem to never be able to prevent these.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:13 am
by johns624
einsteinboricua wrote:
But where were the good guys with guns? For a state that's flooded with guns, they seem to never be able to prevent these.
That's a Texas myth that even Texans believe.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:26 am
by Aaron747
johns624 wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
But where were the good guys with guns? For a state that's flooded with guns, they seem to never be able to prevent these.
That's a Texas myth that even Texans believe.


That’s funny cuz I thought Texans were libel’ta disbelieve any idea where the dog won’t hunt.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:32 am
by extender
The usual slag fest,

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:40 am
by AirplaneFixer
extender wrote:
The usual slag fest,


As it should be, tell the class how you would end gun violence please.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:41 am
by Aaron747
Aww, I’ll have to go to the attic and look for my mini violin

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:43 am
by Super80Fan
This country as a whole is messed up, not sure what Texas has to do with it. Some of the largest shootings have happened in far leftist safe havens such as California, Connecticut, and Colorado.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:09 am
by AirplaneFixer
Super80Fan wrote:
This country as a whole is messed up, not sure what Texas has to do with it.


Well let’s see, hmm. Maybe because at least 27 people have been killed in Texas within the last 4 as the reault of two mass shootings. This in the land of god, guns and the republican party (not necessarily in that order)

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:10 am
by ltbewr
From late news reports: At least 21 shot, including 3 cops, 5 shot are dead. The suspect is dead, not sure if by his own hand or by police actions. The suspect was a 30 year old White Male. He had initially been pulled over by police in his car, likely for a moving vehicle violation or perhaps he was a fugitive. He apparently shot at cops at the initial scene, took off, shooting people along the way randomly, later ditched his car and stole a US Postal Service vehicle and continued to shoot people in that vehicle. At some point a Home Depot store site is where some of the shooting happened. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breaking ... spartandhp

This may be someone who was a fugitive from justice, despite to keep out of jail, likely had an illegal gun and knew how to use it to some extent (ex-military ?) Hopefully in the next day or so more details will come out about the shooter and his innocent victims. Once again a terrible mix of our gun obsessed culture, someone with a powerful weapon, knew how to use it and had personal issues has caused needless deaths and fear. Odessa is just under 300 road miles from the site of the recent mass shooting site of El Paso, so another mass gun death event in Texas in less than a month. Allegedly 4 of 10 of the modern mass gun murder events have occurred in Texas. Must be something in the water, air or culture.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:18 am
by Spar
An amazing thing about these shootings is that although as Super80Fan so succinctly points out, while some of them occur in California, Connecticut, and Colorado; all these shootings involve guns. If only there was some common issue or thing; something we could address to reduce the numbers of such shootings.

Maybe we should hire a think tank?


/s

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:34 am
by stl07
Super80Fan wrote:
This country as a whole is messed up, not sure what Texas has to do with it. Some of the largest shootings have happened in far leftist safe havens such as California, Connecticut, and Colorado.

your right, maybe it has nothing to do with political parties and everything to do with gun laws

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:23 am
by alfa164
MaverickM11 wrote:
I wonder which one of them that goes into effect tomorrow would have prevented this. Or any mass shooting. Or any gun death.


None of them. The Governor and our impotent legislature refused to consider any serious legislation that might reduce chances of getting killed by lead in Texas.

Bless their little hearts... and the N.R.A...

:roll:

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:31 am
by dmg626
Oh all you crackers always worked up when whitey shoots everyone up but here in Chicago every weekend about a dozen black folk get blown away but that’s ok

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:37 am
by NIKV69
dmg626 wrote:
Oh all you crackers always worked up when whitey shoots everyone up but here in Chicago every weekend about a dozen black folk get blown away but that’s ok


In before the lock!

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:45 am
by Aaron747
dmg626 wrote:
Oh all you crackers always worked up when whitey shoots everyone up but here in Chicago every weekend about a dozen black folk get blown away but that’s ok


Oh right...because there are so many conservative posts/articles/dinner convos about the plight of inner city citizens.

Chappelle took this to task pretty darn well:

https://youtu.be/MFs_5cNW908

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:03 am
by N1611B
Spar wrote:
An amazing thing about these shootings is that although as Super80Fan so succinctly points out, while some of them occur in California, Connecticut, and Colorado; all these shootings involve guns. If only there was some common issue or thing; something we could address to reduce the numbers of such shootings.

Maybe we should hire a think tank?


/s


We should outlaw murder. Because criminals definitely follow laws. That's why there's never any mass shootings in "gun free zones"....errr….wait...

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:05 am
by N1611B
ltbewr wrote:
From late news reports: At least 21 shot, including 3 cops, 5 shot are dead. The suspect is dead, not sure if by his own hand or by police actions. The suspect was a 30 year old White Male. He had initially been pulled over by police in his car, likely for a moving vehicle violation or perhaps he was a fugitive. He apparently shot at cops at the initial scene, took off, shooting people along the way randomly, later ditched his car and stole a US Postal Service vehicle and continued to shoot people in that vehicle. At some point a Home Depot store site is where some of the shooting happened. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breaking ... spartandhp

This may be someone who was a fugitive from justice, despite to keep out of jail, likely had an illegal gun and knew how to use it to some extent (ex-military ?) Hopefully in the next day or so more details will come out about the shooter and his innocent victims. Once again a terrible mix of our gun obsessed culture, someone with a powerful weapon, knew how to use it and had personal issues has caused needless deaths and fear. Odessa is just under 300 road miles from the site of the recent mass shooting site of El Paso, so another mass gun death event in Texas in less than a month. Allegedly 4 of 10 of the modern mass gun murder events have occurred in Texas. Must be something in the water, air or culture.


Texas is a very large, very populous state. California has also had many high-profile mass shootings despite its incredibly restrictive gun laws. California is also a very large, very populous state. The shootings have more to do with population than they have to do with gun laws.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:06 am
by N1611B
M564038 wrote:
Yes! Gotta have those guns to keep the country safe! It is working out really good!
USA! USA! USA!


You are free to not own a weapon, just like I'm free to own one.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:07 am
by N1611B
einsteinboricua wrote:
But where were the good guys with guns? For a state that's flooded with guns, they seem to never be able to prevent these.


The shooter who killed 20+ people at a church in Texas a couple of years ago was shot by a civilian armed with an AR-15. But don't let facts ruin a good narrative.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:16 am
by Aaron747
N1611B wrote:
Spar wrote:
An amazing thing about these shootings is that although as Super80Fan so succinctly points out, while some of them occur in California, Connecticut, and Colorado; all these shootings involve guns. If only there was some common issue or thing; something we could address to reduce the numbers of such shootings.

Maybe we should hire a think tank?


/s


We should outlaw murder. Because criminals definitely follow laws. That's why there's never any mass shootings in "gun free zones"....errr….wait...


Completely illogical argument - the idea is to reduce death rates, not eliminate them entirely.

All of the other developed countries in the chart have gangs, drug and mental health issues, even illegal means to obtain firearms - such as the only illegal guns in Japan belonging to yakuza...yet the rates are so much lower. What explanation can you offer?

Image

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:37 am
by MaverickM11
dmg626 wrote:
Oh all you crackers always worked up when whitey shoots everyone up but here in Chicago every weekend about a dozen black folk get blown away but that’s ok

You'll never guess where most of those guns come from but who am I kidding, the only thing you want to show the world is your racism and scream "but black people!". Mission accomplished.

alfa164 wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
I wonder which one of them that goes into effect tomorrow would have prevented this. Or any mass shooting. Or any gun death.


None of them. The Governor and our impotent legislature refused to consider any serious legislation that might reduce chances of getting killed by lead in Texas.

Bless their little hearts... and the N.R.A...

:roll:

Tots 'n pears. Guns now permitted in every orifice for Jesus.

N1611B wrote:
Spar wrote:
An amazing thing about these shootings is that although as Super80Fan so succinctly points out, while some of them occur in California, Connecticut, and Colorado; all these shootings involve guns. If only there was some common issue or thing; something we could address to reduce the numbers of such shootings.

Maybe we should hire a think tank?


/s


We should outlaw murder. Because criminals definitely follow laws. That's why there's never any mass shootings in "gun free zones"....errr….wait...

More nonsense not supported by reality. The EU/Australia/Japan/Canada are essentially all gun free zones with almost non existent gun deaths and mass shootings, while households with guns are vastly more prone to gun deaths than households without guns. But hurr durr hurr freedumb hurr durr.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:43 am
by einsteinboricua
N1611B wrote:
The shooter who killed 20+ people at a church in Texas a couple of years ago was shot by a civilian armed with an AR-15. But don't let facts ruin a good narrative.

Those facts are irrelevant since:
1. The guy wasn't deterred from shooting (you know...because if a bad guy with a gun sees a good guy with a gun, he'll think twice, or something like that)
2. At least 20 people were shot BEFORE that shooter was taken down.

The NRA narrative is that "good guys with guns stop shootings" and that "more guns make us safe", so either the narrative is false and neither of the two options work or people allow themselves to be shot. Because I have never seen someone willingly want to be shot at, I'll go with the former.

In your own words, don't let facts ruin a good narrative.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:43 am
by alfa164
N1611B wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
But where were the good guys with guns? For a state that's flooded with guns, they seem to never be able to prevent these.

The shooter who killed 20+ people at a church in Texas a couple of years ago was shot by a civilian armed with an AR-15. But don't let facts ruin a good narrative.


If 20+ people get killed before your "good guy with a gun" steps in... that isn't solving the problem...

:roll:

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:47 am
by seb146
N1611B wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
But where were the good guys with guns? For a state that's flooded with guns, they seem to never be able to prevent these.


The shooter who killed 20+ people at a church in Texas a couple of years ago was shot by a civilian armed with an AR-15. But don't let facts ruin a good narrative.


One guy one time so that is proof that we need fewer gun laws.

Where was the "good guy with a gun" in Orlando, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, El Paso, Gilroy, Columbine, Lakeland, Aurora

The right loves to point to Chicago as proof that gun laws don't work but where are the good guys with guns in Chicago?

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:51 am
by Ken777
N1611B wrote:
Texas is a very large, very populous state. California has also had many high-profile mass shootings despite its incredibly restrictive gun laws. California is also a very large, very populous state. The shootings have more to do with population than they have to do with gun laws.


We have far more killings simply because we have far more guns. Every other civilized country has as many mental freaks as we do, but their death by gun rate is a small fraction of ours because there are not that many guns in the hands of the nuts.

We are also in that horrid position of our politicians being terrified of the NRA and therefore lack the courage to pass sane laws. What ever happened to the law banning bump stocks? That's a simple example of political fear. And maybe even bribes - er, campaign contributions and educational trips.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:52 am
by Spar
MaverickM11 wrote:
More nonsense not supported by reality. The EU/Australia/Japan/Canada are essentially all gun free zones with almost non existent gun deaths and mass shootings, while households with guns are vastly more prone to gun deaths than households without guns. But hurr durr hurr freedumb hurr durr.


Ken777 wrote:
We have far more killings simply because we have far more guns.


The ongoing gun debate that takes place here is such a waste of time because the pro-gun people are such dishonest louts. They approach the subject from a deep seated emotional pov, as if it is a religious argument they are taking part in.

They have no interest in truth or logic other than how to manipulate it. And they don't give a hoot about gun deaths until it happens to them or their family.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:52 am
by MaverickM11
alfa164 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
But where were the good guys with guns? For a state that's flooded with guns, they seem to never be able to prevent these.

The shooter who killed 20+ people at a church in Texas a couple of years ago was shot by a civilian armed with an AR-15. But don't let facts ruin a good narrative.


If 20+ people get killed before your "good guy with a gun" steps in... that isn't solving the problem...

:roll:

He died of a self inflicted gun shot so...there goes that, but thanks NRA for 20 murdered and one suicide! Math is hard. As long as Lapierre got to keep his private jet, buy a mansion, and plaster his wife's face with makeup it's all worth it!

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:26 am
by SanDiegoLover
Thoughts and prayers, Jesus pass the ammo please.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:36 am
by DIRECTFLT
Ken777 wrote:
To Honor (Celebrate?) the new Gun Law in Texas there was a Mass Shooting before the Law was signed and NOW there were multiple shots fired in Midland/Odessa Texas.

5 Killed, 21 Injured and, of course, the Shooter dead.

Texas gotta be proud. Texas Proud.


Tell us o proud one, what is the new gun law in Texas that you speak of??

I'm proud to be a Texan. I wouldn't be proud to be from Chicago though. Big gun (death) problem there. They should pass a law...

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:01 am
by Super80Fan
stl07 wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
This country as a whole is messed up, not sure what Texas has to do with it. Some of the largest shootings have happened in far leftist safe havens such as California, Connecticut, and Colorado.

your right, maybe it has nothing to do with political parties and everything to do with gun laws


Yes, now we just have to take that message mainstream.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:20 am
by petertenthije
extender wrote:
The usual slag fest,
I do believe it’s spelled slug fest.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:06 am
by Aaron747
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Ken777 wrote:
To Honor (Celebrate?) the new Gun Law in Texas there was a Mass Shooting before the Law was signed and NOW there were multiple shots fired in Midland/Odessa Texas.

5 Killed, 21 Injured and, of course, the Shooter dead.

Texas gotta be proud. Texas Proud.


Tell us o proud one, what is the new gun law in Texas that you speak of??

I'm proud to be a Texan. I wouldn't be proud to be from Chicago though. Big gun (death) problem there. They should pass a law...


Problems in Chicago can’t be solved simply with gun laws...everyone with a brain knows that. Stop using Chicago as a doorstop for misdirection.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:12 am
by dragon-wings
Super80Fan wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
This country as a whole is messed up, not sure what Texas has to do with it. Some of the largest shootings have happened in far leftist safe havens such as California, Connecticut, and Colorado.

your right, maybe it has nothing to do with political parties and everything to do with gun laws


Yes, now we just have to take that message mainstream.


These new guns laws go into effect today. https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-an ... d-to-know-

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:49 am
by N1611B
Aaron747 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
Spar wrote:
An amazing thing about these shootings is that although as Super80Fan so succinctly points out, while some of them occur in California, Connecticut, and Colorado; all these shootings involve guns. If only there was some common issue or thing; something we could address to reduce the numbers of such shootings.

Maybe we should hire a think tank?


/s


We should outlaw murder. Because criminals definitely follow laws. That's why there's never any mass shootings in "gun free zones"....errr….wait...


Completely illogical argument - the idea is to reduce death rates, not eliminate them entirely.

All of the other developed countries in the chart have gangs, drug and mental health issues, even illegal means to obtain firearms - such as the only illegal guns in Japan belonging to yakuza...yet the rates are so much lower. What explanation can you offer?

Image


Gang and inner-city violence. Remove the urban impoverished areas from fbe equation and the USA would stack up well next to the other countries on that chart.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:51 am
by N1611B
einsteinboricua wrote:
N1611B wrote:
The shooter who killed 20+ people at a church in Texas a couple of years ago was shot by a civilian armed with an AR-15. But don't let facts ruin a good narrative.

Those facts are irrelevant since:
1. The guy wasn't deterred from shooting (you know...because if a bad guy with a gun sees a good guy with a gun, he'll think twice, or something like that)
2. At least 20 people were shot BEFORE that shooter was taken down.

The NRA narrative is that "good guys with guns stop shootings" and that "more guns make us safe", so either the narrative is false and neither of the two options work or people allow themselves to be shot. Because I have never seen someone willingly want to be shot at, I'll go with the former.

In your own words, don't let facts ruin a good narrative.


There have been numerous instances lately of shooters being stopped by lawful gun owners. There's a reason why the vast majority of killing rampages occur in gun free zones. But like I said earlier, you are free not to own a weapon, just like I am free to own mine.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:54 am
by N1611B
seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
But where were the good guys with guns? For a state that's flooded with guns, they seem to never be able to prevent these.


The shooter who killed 20+ people at a church in Texas a couple of years ago was shot by a civilian armed with an AR-15. But don't let facts ruin a good narrative.


One guy one time so that is proof that we need fewer gun laws.

Where was the "good guy with a gun" in Orlando, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, El Paso, Gilroy, Columbine, Lakeland, Aurora

The right loves to point to Chicago as proof that gun laws don't work but where are the good guys with guns in Chicago?


You mean all those gun-free zones?

And law-abiding CCW holders generally aren't spending their time in gang-infested areas in south Chicago. I do agree with you though that Chicago needs to make it easier for its residents to obtain CCW permits.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:56 am
by N1611B
Ken777 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
Texas is a very large, very populous state. California has also had many high-profile mass shootings despite its incredibly restrictive gun laws. California is also a very large, very populous state. The shootings have more to do with population than they have to do with gun laws.


We have far more killings simply because we have far more guns. Every other civilized country has as many mental freaks as we do, but their death by gun rate is a small fraction of ours because there are not that many guns in the hands of the nuts.

We are also in that horrid position of our politicians being terrified of the NRA and therefore lack the courage to pass sane laws. What ever happened to the law banning bump stocks? That's a simple example of political fear. And maybe even bribes - er, campaign contributions and educational trips.


Bump stocks have already been banned.

We have more mass shootings because we are more populous than the rest of the western world. Most gun violence in the US is gang or drug related. More people are murdered with blunt objects in the US than are killed with rifles of any kind. Perhaps it is time to ban hammers?

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:57 am
by N1611B
MaverickM11 wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
The shooter who killed 20+ people at a church in Texas a couple of years ago was shot by a civilian armed with an AR-15. But don't let facts ruin a good narrative.


If 20+ people get killed before your "good guy with a gun" steps in... that isn't solving the problem...

:roll:

He died of a self inflicted gun shot so...there goes that, but thanks NRA for 20 murdered and one suicide! Math is hard. As long as Lapierre got to keep his private jet, buy a mansion, and plaster his wife's face with makeup it's all worth it!


The shooter was an NRA member? Link?

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:59 am
by N1611B
dragon-wings wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
stl07 wrote:
your right, maybe it has nothing to do with political parties and everything to do with gun laws


Yes, now we just have to take that message mainstream.


These new guns laws go into effect today. https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-an ... d-to-know-


These are the common-sense gun laws that we need.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:09 am
by Aaron747
N1611B wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
N1611B wrote:

We should outlaw murder. Because criminals definitely follow laws. That's why there's never any mass shootings in "gun free zones"....errr….wait...


Completely illogical argument - the idea is to reduce death rates, not eliminate them entirely.

All of the other developed countries in the chart have gangs, drug and mental health issues, even illegal means to obtain firearms - such as the only illegal guns in Japan belonging to yakuza...yet the rates are so much lower. What explanation can you offer?

Image


Gang and inner-city violence. Remove the urban impoverished areas from fbe equation and the USA would stack up well next to the other countries on that chart.


Nope, sorry, patently false. Ireland, Australia, NZ the UK, Netherlands, etc. all have gangs, drugs, and areas as economically disadvantaged as US ‘inner cities’. Have you seen/been to north Dublin, the UK’s northern rust belt or southern port cities ravaged by drugs, Holendrecht outside Amsterdam, violent Maori neighborhoods in suburban Auckland, the projects outside Paris? Nah? Try again.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:20 am
by N1611B
Aaron747 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Completely illogical argument - the idea is to reduce death rates, not eliminate them entirely.

All of the other developed countries in the chart have gangs, drug and mental health issues, even illegal means to obtain firearms - such as the only illegal guns in Japan belonging to yakuza...yet the rates are so much lower. What explanation can you offer?

Image


Gang and inner-city violence. Remove the urban impoverished areas from fbe equation and the USA would stack up well next to the other countries on that chart.


Nope, sorry, patently false. Ireland, Australia, NZ the UK, Netherlands, etc. all have gangs, drugs, and areas as economically disadvantaged as US ‘inner cities’. Have you seen/been to north Dublin, the UK’s northern rust belt or southern port cities ravaged by drugs, Holendrecht outside Amsterdam, violent Maori neighborhoods in suburban Auckland, the projects outside Paris? Nah? Try again.


They don't have the gangs that we do, nor do they have a culture that glorifies violence, with rappers on the radio boasting about shooting people and with criminals celebrated as heroes. Combine that with a plethora of illegal firearms on the streets and you have your answer.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:43 am
by petertenthije
N1611B wrote:
They don't have the gangs that we do, nor do they have a culture that glorifies violence, with rappers on the radio boasting about shooting people and with criminals celebrated as heroes. Combine that with a plethora of illegal firearms on the streets and you have your answer.
Yes, we do have them. They are armed as well. (Illegally, obviously)

Speaking for the Netherlands, the difference is that the gangs keep violence between eachother. Sure, occaisionally an innocent bystander gets involved, as well as the police of course. But they are the REMOTE exception.

Despite what some may say, getting a gun in the Netherlands is hard and expensive. Be that legal or illegal. Therefor the guns are used sparingly. If someone walks around 24/7 with a gun, as happens in certain areas of the USA, then it won’t take long for a police squad to separate you from your gun (and freedom).

In the USA the guns are easily and openly available. It follows that they are also easily and openly used. Not just by gang members, but also by “normal” people.

As for the culture... guess what, we get the same movies, tv shows and music.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:20 am
by Aaron747
N1611B wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
N1611B wrote:

Gang and inner-city violence. Remove the urban impoverished areas from fbe equation and the USA would stack up well next to the other countries on that chart.


Nope, sorry, patently false. Ireland, Australia, NZ the UK, Netherlands, etc. all have gangs, drugs, and areas as economically disadvantaged as US ‘inner cities’. Have you seen/been to north Dublin, the UK’s northern rust belt or southern port cities ravaged by drugs, Holendrecht outside Amsterdam, violent Maori neighborhoods in suburban Auckland, the projects outside Paris? Nah? Try again.


They don't have the gangs that we do, nor do they have a culture that glorifies violence, with rappers on the radio boasting about shooting people and with criminals celebrated as heroes. Combine that with a plethora of illegal firearms on the streets and you have your answer.


What a bizarre fishbowl view of the world - I strongly recommend a passport and a few trips to other developed countries - and not just the tourist zones.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:49 am
by scbriml
N1611B wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
But where were the good guys with guns? For a state that's flooded with guns, they seem to never be able to prevent these.


The shooter who killed 20+ people at a church in Texas a couple of years ago was shot by a civilian armed with an AR-15. But don't let facts ruin a good narrative.


Some say that Americans don't do irony, but your post proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Americans are the masters of irony. :banghead:

Re: At least 5 dead in West Texas shooting after traffic stop

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:01 pm
by SanDiegoLover
Using Chicago is such a canard given 9 other cities, and most of them in red states like LA, AL, TN, and MO is far worse. In fact New aorleans is double that of Chicago. https://247wallst.com/special-report/20 ... -violence/

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:23 pm
by N1611B
Aaron747 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Nope, sorry, patently false. Ireland, Australia, NZ the UK, Netherlands, etc. all have gangs, drugs, and areas as economically disadvantaged as US ‘inner cities’. Have you seen/been to north Dublin, the UK’s northern rust belt or southern port cities ravaged by drugs, Holendrecht outside Amsterdam, violent Maori neighborhoods in suburban Auckland, the projects outside Paris? Nah? Try again.


They don't have the gangs that we do, nor do they have a culture that glorifies violence, with rappers on the radio boasting about shooting people and with criminals celebrated as heroes. Combine that with a plethora of illegal firearms on the streets and you have your answer.


What a bizarre fishbowl view of the world - I strongly recommend a passport and a few trips to other developed countries - and not just the tourist zones.


I've spent years overseas, but thanks for your concern.

Re: The Texas Special

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:23 pm
by DL717
AirplaneFixer wrote:
extender wrote:
The usual slag fest,


As it should be, tell the class how you would end gun violence please.


Put people back in the mental wards.