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Robocalls

Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:11 pm

The donotcall.gov registry is a joke. The same four or five scams, but the numbers rotate faster than you can block them and they turn up again.

Then you have the IRS scams which are pure gold if I have the time to toy with them.

When will this crap stop?
 
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Re: Robocalls

Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:39 pm

Have never been robocalled. It must not happen on the west coast very much.
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Re: Robocalls

Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:29 pm

What gets to me is getting robocalls in Spanish or Chinese. As I am 64 years old, I get dozens a week on my cell and home phone selling Medicaid supplemental policies (which I won't need for a while). I could get 8-9 calls a day on my cellphone at work. If it get a junk call with a human, then I say things to them NSFW or suggesting they were an ex-street prostitute who had to quit. I have to spend 20 minutes clearing out my home phone voice mail a week getting rid of this junk and make sure some are not legit messages.
The phone service providers need to take some action on abusers of 'unlimited' call plans as clog up the lines and may disturb necessary communications. Too many may get hurt in a trip and fall getting to a phone, distracted from their work or driving from a junk call. And you wonder, how much does it really work ? You would have to be dumb as a rock to do business with these usually scammers.
 
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Re: Robocalls

Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:53 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Have never been robocalled. It must not happen on the west coast very much.


Huh? That is very difficult to believe. Robocalls have been around for decades, never got a political robocall? I remember getting calls from Arnold when I had a land line 20 years ago.

With a 30 year old business number forwarding to my cellphone, I get 4-5 a day, 90% of which begin..."your Google listing has not been updated...." I rarely answer the phone anymore. Plenty of people are doing the same, enough that the phone companies have recently taken notice and promising action.

Last night I got a 'refund' call, a true scam, coincidence because I've been watching the Indian scammer scammers on Youtube. It's funny to watch but sad to think that thousands have been defrauded of hundred$. I have downloaded an automatic dialer and started using it to clog their lines except it seems everybody else is too because you cannot get through.
 
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Re: Robocalls

Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:57 pm

I know a lot of folks don't have the option to ignore calls, but I won't answer a call from an unknown number. If it's important, they'll leave a message, or shoot me a text that doesn't include a link to anything.
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:20 am

mham001 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Have never been robocalled. It must not happen on the west coast very much.


Huh? That is very difficult to believe. Robocalls have been around for decades, never got a political robocall? I remember getting calls from Arnold when I had a land line 20 years ago.

With a 30 year old business number forwarding to my cellphone, I get 4-5 a day, 90% of which begin..."your Google listing has not been updated...." I rarely answer the phone anymore. Plenty of people are doing the same, enough that the phone companies have recently taken notice and promising action.

Last night I got a 'refund' call, a true scam, coincidence because I've been watching the Indian scammer scammers on Youtube. It's funny to watch but sad to think that thousands have been defrauded of hundred$. I have downloaded an automatic dialer and started using it to clog their lines except it seems everybody else is too because you cannot get through.


Most people I know only allow calls from known numbers or have ‘do not disturb’ enabled at all times on their phones. Need to contact? Send a text asking to call.
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:07 am

I think we can gather at least anecdotal from this thread that Robocalls have pretty much made phones useless means of contact unless you already are in someones contact list. It still shocks me that scammers and other criminals just seem to get away with using the phone networks to commit fraud and harassment and no one seems to want to even try fix it until now.
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:20 am

They are getting good at it. My caller ID yesterday said, "US Gov." Message was something like, "If you do not call us back, we will GET you arrested." The "get me arrested" part has scam written all over it. Claimed to be from social security office. DC number. I sometimes hate the digital age. It was a recording, clue no. 2.
 
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:41 am

Those caller ID spoofs are ridiculous. Federal agencies typically use caller ID letter coded by department and office location/branch. ‘Us Gov’ or ‘SSA Admin’ or ‘Dept of State’ are dead giveaway fakes.
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:12 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Have never been robocalled. It must not happen on the west coast very much.


I live in Oregon and have a North Bay California cell phone number. I was getting a call a day about my student loan debt. I have none. It was annoying until I got five robocalls from the 707 area code in the same day about student debt forgiveness. I went to the web site of the California attorney general and filed a complaint. I got no calls for a week.

That was a month ago. Since then, I have gotten probably three different calls from the east coast and probably Caribbean about my social security number being suspended and I qualify for Medicare.
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:20 am

Yeah I spoke before asking friends and that’s when I realized most everyone I know uses DND or only answers accepted list calls.
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:04 am

It's funny: before mobile phones were invented we never thought twice about picking up a ringing phone. We're reluctant to now with mobile phones. I ignore any call that's not in my contact list.
 
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:13 am

Braybuddy wrote:
It's funny: before mobile phones were invented we never thought twice about picking up a ringing phone. We're reluctant to now with mobile phones. I ignore any call that's not in my contact list.


Actually, I took the position, long before cell phones and caller-id, that the phone was for my convenience, not the caller's. I answered the phone when I wanted to, not because it rang.
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:27 am

Sometimes I answer them and just put the phone away (on speaker if I'm alone) and do what I have been doing. No hello, no talking.
You called me, so you speak first.
It's absolutely hilarious sometimes hearing what that guy/computer can say. I've had a computer (robot) keep saying "I didn't catch the last part. Can you repeat it?" when I've said absolutely nothing. The sound being picked up is me typing on my keyboard.
 
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:42 pm

All the effing time. FCC needs to kill this crap. My favorites are “this is Internal Revenue Service” and “this is Microsoft”. Jerk them around when I’m not doing anything. It always ends with them hanging up or me telling them I retired early and their career prospects don’t look so hot given he/she is a telemarketer.
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:41 pm

Is this a predominantly US problem? I've only experienced it when I got a sim card in the US, not anywhere else (and I've used dozens of sim cards/phone numbers over the years in various countries without ever getting these).

Why isn't anything being done about it? Seems like it's hardly a new problem.

Guess we can just file it along with mass shootings, non-medical/religious mass circumcisions, bankruptable heathcare, tipping, pet declawing, and emotional support animals as uniquely wonderful 'Murcanisms.
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Re: Robocalls

Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:26 pm

DL717 wrote:
All the effing time. FCC needs to kill this crap. My favorites are “this is Internal Revenue Service” and “this is Microsoft”. Jerk them around when I’m not doing anything. It always ends with them hanging up or me telling them I retired early and their career prospects don’t look so hot given he/she is a telemarketer.


I once put a tech scammer on next to a speaker playing whatever podcast I was listening to. They tried for about 15 minutes to scam a recorded podcast before they hung up.
There was also the time (around the same as the first iirc) they called claiming they had an error from my Grandfathers computer, I mentioned how odd that was as he had neither owned a computer nor was he still alive, the scammer didn't even break his script and kept at it, at which point I bluntly told him he was trying to call a dead man and to sod off.
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Re: Robocalls

Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:54 am

I am at the point where I do not answer at all unless it is from someone I know by the caller Id where it plainly ids the caller by name. Do not know it, do not answer. The volumn of calls is still aggravating though.
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Re: Robocalls

Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:29 am

bgm wrote:
Is this a predominantly US problem? I've only experienced it when I got a sim card in the US, not anywhere else (and I've used dozens of sim cards/phone numbers over the years in various countries without ever getting these).


I don't know how bad it is in the US. But maybe it is catching on in Canada. I've heard everything from taxes owed, debt, blocked credit cards, online banking login "reconfirmations", lottery wins, microsoft "help", and probably the most hilarious one - immigration enforcers at your doorstep, pay up before they detain you!
 
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Re: Robocalls

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:52 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Have never been robocalled. It must not happen on the west coast very much.


12 times yesterday between 8AM and 9AM.

I can't shut off my phone because hospitals call me on it. It needs to stop.
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Re: Robocalls

Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:28 pm

Irony of this thread.... I had a message yesterday afternoon while I was out. They called to tell me that my Social Security number had been cancelled. I really could have had some fun with that one.
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Re: Robocalls

Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:31 pm

DocLightning wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Have never been robocalled. It must not happen on the west coast very much.


12 times yesterday between 8AM and 9AM.

I can't shut off my phone because hospitals call me on it. It needs to stop.


Create a contact, call it scammer (or a-holes), then block the contact. Every time you get one, add it to the contact. It does help. Especially on a cell.
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Re: Robocalls

Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:57 pm

Unfortunately due to how the phone system works... no they aren't going away or even going to get better.

The problem is the phone system was never intended to deal with number spoofing, super codes and caller ID cloning, nor was number cloning supposed to be something non-carrier entities were supposed to be able to do, yet here we are. The biggest problem is, the scammers especially, buy numbers to use them a few dozen or hundred times via VoIP or other software access, then drop them and move on to new ones. These numbers may be open ("unused" probably owned by a VoIP operator or some such) or cloned... or the new pain "supercode" numbers that just break the system (number the system sees dialed from will be something like 0119102848800015555555555, but your call display probably will only show 1-555-555-5555) and the true number is nothing like either one.

Worse, if your number get cloned by these shits then you are likely going to get calls from people asking why you called them... Yup... :banghead:

I only spent 14 years dealing with this stuff... :knockout:
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Re: Robocalls

Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:47 pm

DL717 wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Have never been robocalled. It must not happen on the west coast very much.


12 times yesterday between 8AM and 9AM.

I can't shut off my phone because hospitals call me on it. It needs to stop.


Create a contact, call it scammer (or a-holes), then block the contact. Every time you get one, add it to the contact. It does help. Especially on a cell.


They literally never call from the same number twice.
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Re: Robocalls

Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:30 pm

DocLightning wrote:
DL717 wrote:
DocLightning wrote:

12 times yesterday between 8AM and 9AM.

I can't shut off my phone because hospitals call me on it. It needs to stop.


Create a contact, call it scammer (or a-holes), then block the contact. Every time you get one, add it to the contact. It does help. Especially on a cell.


They literally never call from the same number twice.


Lucky you. :banghead:
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Re: Robocalls

Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:07 pm

alex0easy wrote:
Sometimes I answer them and just put the phone away (on speaker if I'm alone) and do what I have been doing. No hello, no talking.
You called me, so you speak first.
It's absolutely hilarious sometimes hearing what that guy/computer can say. I've had a computer (robot) keep saying "I didn't catch the last part. Can you repeat it?" when I've said absolutely nothing. The sound being picked up is me typing on my keyboard.

I usually blow my duck call into the receiver for about 10 seconds then hang up. Or, I will just answer and hang up immediately so the robot doesn't leave me a voice mail. Although I have read that if you answer the phone, then the system that's calling knows they have a live number and will call again, so who knows?
They're annoying as hell regardless.

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