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Ex-Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority CEO Ralenkotter, 3 others face felony charges over gift cards

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:04 am

https://www.reviewjournal.com/investiga ... s-1844678/

A Dallas-based Southwest marketing executive allegedly helped disguise gift card ticket purchases that were funneled to top Convention honchos by showering him with shows, trips and dinners.

A British Airways senior vice president was given thousands of dollars in meals and show tickets on the Strip at taxpayer expense in return for providing upgrades to Convention big shots, records show.

This could get interesting.
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:28 am

Rogue employees being accused of involvement =\= the employers being accused of involvement. Of course the evidence may show corporate involvement, but we aren’t there yet.
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:37 am

I read the article and could not find where WN and BA were accused of involvement. Based on the information in the linked article the thread title is in error.
 
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:19 am

TheOldDude wrote:
I read the article and could not find where WN and BA were accused of involvement. Based on the information in the linked article the thread title is in error.

You need to read the article again. From the first line of the second paragraph of the article:


"The seven-count complaint, which also charged a Southwest employee"

Entire 6th paragraph:

"Police allege Lawson instructed Southwest employees to hide the gift card purchases in promotional invoices between 2012 and 2017. During that time, the LVCVA spent $200,000 a year on promotions building its relationship with Southwest, the busiest commercial carrier in Las Vegas."

Last 2 paragraphs:

"The Review-Journal reported in April that Lawson helped Ralenkotter obtain free upgrades for his family members from British Airways between 2012 and 2016.

A British Airways senior vice president was given thousands of dollars in meals and show tickets on the Strip at taxpayer expense in return for providing the upgrades, records show."
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:41 am

What's the big deal? It's Las Vegas and stuff like this goes on all the time. Remember, this is the same place where you can legally smoke pot and drink in public :)
 
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:44 am

TheOldDude wrote:
I read the article and could not find where WN and BA were accused of involvement. Based on the information in the linked article the thread title is in error.


Funny how when it comes to fraud and bribery that it is “just a rogue employee” yet when a customer service agent has a gaffe (or a Dao moment) the airline is fully to blame!
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:53 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
TheOldDude wrote:
I read the article and could not find where WN and BA were accused of involvement. Based on the information in the linked article the thread title is in error.


Funny how when it comes to fraud and bribery that it is “just a rogue employee” yet when a customer service agent has a gaffe (or a Dao moment) the airline is fully to blame!


Because theres a massive gap between doing a job badly and a culture that permits it and committing fraud/graft.

#falseequivalence
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:03 am

Antarius wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
TheOldDude wrote:
I read the article and could not find where WN and BA were accused of involvement. Based on the information in the linked article the thread title is in error.


Funny how when it comes to fraud and bribery that it is “just a rogue employee” yet when a customer service agent has a gaffe (or a Dao moment) the airline is fully to blame!


Because theres a massive gap between doing a job badly and a culture that permits it and committing fraud/graft.

#falseequivalence


Not really. Just the usual a.net protectionism of certain airlines...nothing new here

PS: using hashtags doesn’t drive your point home any better
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:35 am

AAlaxfan wrote:
TheOldDude wrote:
I read the article and could not find where WN and BA were accused of involvement. Based on the information in the linked article the thread title is in error.

You need to read the article again. From the first line of the second paragraph of the article:


"The seven-count complaint, which also charged a Southwest employee"

Entire 6th paragraph:

"Police allege Lawson instructed Southwest employees to hide the gift card purchases in promotional invoices between 2012 and 2017. During that time, the LVCVA spent $200,000 a year on promotions building its relationship with Southwest, the busiest commercial carrier in Las Vegas."

Last 2 paragraphs:

"The Review-Journal reported in April that Lawson helped Ralenkotter obtain free upgrades for his family members from British Airways between 2012 and 2016.

A British Airways senior vice president was given thousands of dollars in meals and show tickets on the Strip at taxpayer expense in return for providing the upgrades, records show."


YOU need to read the article again.

The AIRLINES aren't being charged, employees (two) that worked for the airlines are ( a big distinction btw) - which is directly supported by your quoted lines.

This happened back in April and is old news.
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:50 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
Funny how when it comes to fraud and bribery that it is “just a rogue employee” yet when a customer service agent has a gaffe (or a Dao moment) the airline is fully to blame!


The incident involving Dr. Dao wasn't just a customer service gaffe; it was a (likely foreseeable) consequence of United's policies. The airline put a higher priority on maintaining the integrity of its schedule (even for its outsourced providers) than it did on delivering the service of air transportation to its customers, and they were trying to be as cheap as possible with compensation for denied boarding. And airline policy was to have the police remove any passenger who refused to give up their seat when ordered to do so. So, yeah, something like the Dr. Dao incident was bound to happen once someone decided not to bend over and take it -- and in the smartphone era, everyone has a video camera at their fingertips which can share video to millions within mere moments.

I really doubt that either BA or WN have policies which encourage their employees to conceal graft.
 
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Re: Ex-Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority CEO Ralenkotter, 3 others face felony charges over gift cards

Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:26 pm

A company is nothing more than a collection of employees. At a certain point the actions of individuals or groups of individuals become the actions of a conpany either through deliberate action or lack of restraint (deliberte turning a blind eye or inadequate systems and misalignment incentives) we cannot always blame individuals although sometimes it is rogue employees.

If something like this happens and goes undetected for a while then at least the company has inadequate systems in place and opens themselves up to all types of liability.
 
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:41 pm

barney captain wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
TheOldDude wrote:
I read the article and could not find where WN and BA were accused of involvement. Based on the information in the linked article the thread title is in error.

You need to read the article again. From the first line of the second paragraph of the article:


"The seven-count complaint, which also charged a Southwest employee"

Entire 6th paragraph:

"Police allege Lawson instructed Southwest employees to hide the gift card purchases in promotional invoices between 2012 and 2017. During that time, the LVCVA spent $200,000 a year on promotions building its relationship with Southwest, the busiest commercial carrier in Las Vegas."

Last 2 paragraphs:

"The Review-Journal reported in April that Lawson helped Ralenkotter obtain free upgrades for his family members from British Airways between 2012 and 2016.

A British Airways senior vice president was given thousands of dollars in meals and show tickets on the Strip at taxpayer expense in return for providing the upgrades, records show."


YOU need to read the article again.

The AIRLINES aren't being charged, employees (two) that worked for the airlines are ( a big distinction btw) - which is directly supported by your quoted lines.

This happened back in April and is old news.


According to this site, whether good or bad, the actions of all front facing employees have been held to indicate the culture of an airline. Should not the actions of the background employees be held to the same standard? The fact that the airlines are not being charged only means there is not enough evidence to support charges. The fact that this occurred and employees are being charged indicates that the airlines consider this a normal activity.
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:32 pm

airportugal310 wrote:
Antarius wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:

Funny how when it comes to fraud and bribery that it is “just a rogue employee” yet when a customer service agent has a gaffe (or a Dao moment) the airline is fully to blame!


Because theres a massive gap between doing a job badly and a culture that permits it and committing fraud/graft.

#falseequivalence


Not really. Just the usual a.net protectionism of certain airlines...nothing new here

PS: using hashtags doesn’t drive your point home any better


If this had been UA, F9, AF/KL, or an LH group airline, the whole a.net bandwagon would be calling for them to be liquidated and their executives jailed.

However, for some reason BA and WN don't get pounced on like other airlines on here. BA has stumbled several times lately (service standards, IT failures, a strike) but we don't see much discussion about BA/IAG failures. Last night I noticed that the BA strike thread has fallen to the second page. If this had been an AF strike, it would have multiple threads on page one...
 
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Re: Ex-Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority CEO Ralenkotter, 3 others face felony charges over gift cards

Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:24 am

You would think companies like BA and WN would monitor a little more closely how it’s employees interact with any business in Vegas. And the gift card amounts are so high it’s hard to believe it was all local officials doing. Who else approved the grift either tacitly, or otherwise. Some of the charges are felonies.
 
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Re: WN & BA Accused of involvement in Vegas Convention Bureau Ticket Scam

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:24 pm

crownvic wrote:
What's the big deal? It's Las Vegas and stuff like this goes on all the time. Remember, this is the same place where you can legally smoke pot and drink in public :)



Just to correct your statement, you cannot smoke pot in public legally, the only place you can legally smoke it is in your home, which means the your hotel room is out of bounds as well, let alone in public, get caught smoking it in public it's a $600 fine.

And no, stuff like this doesn't go on all the time here.

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