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NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:21 am

After using 9/11 to boast about how your buildings are now the tallest in Manhattan, the second best thing to do is hold a surprise vote while your colleagues are at a memorial event!

"North Carolina House Republicans called a surprise vote and overrode Gov. Roy Cooper’s budget veto on Wednesday morning, Cooper said at a press conference Wednesday afternoon.

The vote was taken while Cooper was at a 9/11 memorial event."

"Jackson said Democrats were specifically told by Republicans that no votes would be held in Wednesday’s morning session."

https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-caroli ... ial-event/
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:26 am

The schedule didn't show a vote until 11am. The 9 Democrats that were there were all the 55 members of the GOP needed to enact the veto override, which begs the question as to why they weren't there as well. They said the morning session was just routine to get procedures started for when the votes happened.

I hope Democrats hammer the NC GOP. The next time they talk about patriotism, supporting our troops, and others, I hope they run with these ads.

Absolutely despicable.

And for people who say moderate Democrats are no different than Republicans, I challenge them to bring up even a single instance of a moderate Democrat group at any government level pulling off a stunt like this one in recent history...using a memorial event to play politics. Just when you thought the NC GOP could sink no lower...
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:28 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
And for people who say moderate Democrats are no different than Republicans, I challenge them to bring up even a single instance of a moderate Democrat group at any government level pulling off a stunt like this one in recent history...using a memorial event to play politics. Just when you thought the NC GOP could sink no lower...

The NC GOP has been the Florida Man of Republicans quite a bit lately.
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:09 am

It was the talk of the town here yesterday. The GOP may have just destroyed their future recruiting in NC over this underhanded technique. The democrats will have ads for 2 years on the backs of this dishonorable vote on 9/11

Here is our local take from Raleigh. I swear some of our posters have aliases in the comments section. Basically the GOP lied to the other members of the house.

https://www.wral.com/how-dare-you-do-th ... /18626626/
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:45 pm

They gerrymander the heck out of a district out of desperation so they can hold onto it and, now, they lie about votes. They can't get support by being themselves and being honest. I suppose they will blame everyone else as they do.....
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:58 pm

The POS Republicans justified this stunt by saying “otherwise the terrorists win”. Yeah, expanding Medicaid and increased funding for education for North Carolina residents, is a “terror” plot.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evjv ... orists-win
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:15 pm

What a great way to never forget!
 
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:09 am

Why aren't there any GOP supporters in this thread seeking to justify this action?
 
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:11 am

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Why aren't there any GOP supporters in this thread seeking to justify this action?


They can't , it was a bad move with bad optics, and the National GOP would rather forget it ever happened.

The statewide justification is a lottery vote back in 2005, when two senators went home so they could claim they never voted for the lottery to their constituents. However this vote was a disgrace for the GOP on multiple levels and highlights an inability to compromise or work across the aisle.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:15 am

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Kent350787 wrote:
Why aren't there any GOP supporters in this thread seeking to justify this action?


They can't , it was a bad move with bad optics, and the National GOP would rather forget it ever happened. /quote]

Exactly - their silence is deafening.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:22 am

The "I WILL NOT YIELD!" gal has just delivered a great video clip for the 2020 Elections - especially since the GOP played their little game during the 9/11 Ceremony.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:03 am

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The "I WILL NOT YIELD!" gal has just delivered a great video clip for the 2020 Elections - especially since the GOP played their little game during the 9/11 Ceremony.


a link would be splendid...

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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:47 am

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Ken777 wrote:
The "I WILL NOT YIELD!" gal has just delivered a great video clip for the 2020 Elections - especially since the GOP played their little game during the 9/11 Ceremony.


a link would be splendid...

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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:37 pm

casinterest wrote:
The statewide justification is a lottery vote back in 2005, when two senators went home so they could claim they never voted for the lottery to their constituents. However this vote was a disgrace for the GOP on multiple levels and highlights an inability to compromise or work across the aisle.

Reading about the lottery bill, it seems the GOP wants to use it to justify it, but there's a couple of HUGE differences:
1. Democrats didn't use a solemn event to pass the bill.
2. While it is true that calling a vote when two absences were scheduled in order to pass a bill is an underhanded trick, telling people that absolutely no votes would be scheduled and THEN scheduling one is even more underhanded. During the lottery bill, a quorum would have been established regardless, with both caucuses fully accounted for on the floor (save for the two senators excused).
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:04 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
casinterest wrote:
The statewide justification is a lottery vote back in 2005, when two senators went home so they could claim they never voted for the lottery to their constituents. However this vote was a disgrace for the GOP on multiple levels and highlights an inability to compromise or work across the aisle.

Reading about the lottery bill, it seems the GOP wants to use it to justify it, but there's a couple of HUGE differences:
1. Democrats didn't use a solemn event to pass the bill.
2. While it is true that calling a vote when two absences were scheduled in order to pass a bill is an underhanded trick, telling people that absolutely no votes would be scheduled and THEN scheduling one is even more underhanded. A quorum would have been established regardless, with both caucuses fully accounted for on the floor (save for the two senators excused).


These are the differences, and at the end of the day just further evidence of the intractability and inability to work through differences on the budget . It doesn't pain the GOP in any positive light at all.
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:48 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
After using 9/11 to boast about how your buildings are now the tallest in Manhattan, the second best thing to do is hold a surprise vote while your colleagues are at a memorial event!

"North Carolina House Republicans called a surprise vote and overrode Gov. Roy Cooper’s budget veto on Wednesday morning, Cooper said at a press conference Wednesday afternoon.

The vote was taken while Cooper was at a 9/11 memorial event."

"Jackson said Democrats were specifically told by Republicans that no votes would be held in Wednesday’s morning session."

https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-caroli ... ial-event/


Two Democrats were at a 9/11 memorial. The rest just chose not to show up.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:08 pm

KFAY wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
After using 9/11 to boast about how your buildings are now the tallest in Manhattan, the second best thing to do is hold a surprise vote while your colleagues are at a memorial event!

"North Carolina House Republicans called a surprise vote and overrode Gov. Roy Cooper’s budget veto on Wednesday morning, Cooper said at a press conference Wednesday afternoon.

The vote was taken while Cooper was at a 9/11 memorial event."

"Jackson said Democrats were specifically told by Republicans that no votes would be held in Wednesday’s morning session."

https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-caroli ... ial-event/


Two Democrats were at a 9/11 memorial. The rest just chose not to show up.


Let's say that is true. You provide no link to your claim. But, let's just say it is true. How does that negate the fact that Republicans said they would have no votes? That Republicans LIED?
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:09 pm

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Two Democrats were at a 9/11 memorial. The rest just chose not to show up.

There is evidence that the chairman of the House Rules, Calendar, and Operations committee told the minority leader there would be no votes during the morning. The few Democrats there were so that a quorum could be established to get through formal procedures to open the day's work, with the schedule pointing out that no vote was to be considered until later in the afternoon. But funny how 55 Republicans were there, meaning they had this all planned out.

Further evidence is being uncovered, such as a text that the majority whip sent ONLY to his members (a text that's been sent every time there's important business...funny, the text sent to the minority leader is not official, but the text rounding up members is...)
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:14 pm

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KFAY wrote:
Two Democrats were at a 9/11 memorial. The rest just chose not to show up.

There is evidence that the chairman of the House Rules, Calendar, and Operations committee told the minority leader there would be no votes during the morning. The few Democrats there were so that a quorum could be established to get through formal procedures to open the day's work, with the schedule pointing out that no vote was to be considered until later in the afternoon. But funny how 55 Republicans were there, meaning they had this all planned out.

Further evidence is being uncovered, such as a text that the majority whip sent ONLY to his members (a text that's been sent every time there's important business...funny, the text sent to the minority leader is not official, but the text rounding up members is...)


Not sure what that has to do with the false allegation that the Democrats failed to prevent this vote because they were all at a 9/11 memorial. It is almost is if the actual facts aren't outrageous enough, so a fake narrative has to be created with the hopes that people don't fact check it.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:18 pm

N1611B wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
KFAY wrote:
Two Democrats were at a 9/11 memorial. The rest just chose not to show up.

There is evidence that the chairman of the House Rules, Calendar, and Operations committee told the minority leader there would be no votes during the morning. The few Democrats there were so that a quorum could be established to get through formal procedures to open the day's work, with the schedule pointing out that no vote was to be considered until later in the afternoon. But funny how 55 Republicans were there, meaning they had this all planned out.

Further evidence is being uncovered, such as a text that the majority whip sent ONLY to his members (a text that's been sent every time there's important business...funny, the text sent to the minority leader is not official, but the text rounding up members is...)


Not sure what that has to do with the false allegation that the Democrats failed to prevent this vote because they were all at a 9/11 memorial. It is almost is if the actual facts aren't outrageous enough, so a fake narrative has to be created with the hopes that people don't fact check it.


So you are okay with Republicans lying to push their agenda. Got it. Even with evidence presented that this is actually what happened, you are still willing to go with whatever Republicans say. Of course.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:24 pm

seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
There is evidence that the chairman of the House Rules, Calendar, and Operations committee told the minority leader there would be no votes during the morning. The few Democrats there were so that a quorum could be established to get through formal procedures to open the day's work, with the schedule pointing out that no vote was to be considered until later in the afternoon. But funny how 55 Republicans were there, meaning they had this all planned out.

Further evidence is being uncovered, such as a text that the majority whip sent ONLY to his members (a text that's been sent every time there's important business...funny, the text sent to the minority leader is not official, but the text rounding up members is...)


Not sure what that has to do with the false allegation that the Democrats failed to prevent this vote because they were all at a 9/11 memorial. It is almost is if the actual facts aren't outrageous enough, so a fake narrative has to be created with the hopes that people don't fact check it.


So you are okay with Republicans lying to push their agenda. Got it. Even with evidence presented that this is actually what happened, you are still willing to go with whatever Republicans say. Of course.


I'm not really "ok" with any of it....lying to push their agenda (if that is what occurred), or lying about fictitious 9/11 memorials to generate outrage (which some in the media and on the left have done).
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:29 pm

N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:

Not sure what that has to do with the false allegation that the Democrats failed to prevent this vote because they were all at a 9/11 memorial. It is almost is if the actual facts aren't outrageous enough, so a fake narrative has to be created with the hopes that people don't fact check it.


So you are okay with Republicans lying to push their agenda. Got it. Even with evidence presented that this is actually what happened, you are still willing to go with whatever Republicans say. Of course.


I'm not really "ok" with any of it....lying to push their agenda (if that is what occurred), or lying about fictitious 9/11 memorials to generate outrage (which some in the media and on the left have done).


You are DL saying "both sides do it" without saying it. Weak argument, man.

There was a 9/11 memorial. It happened. People attended it. You choose not to believe it happened. Even though it did, media was there, people were there. I happened. You can say it was a lie and never happened. It did. We all know it.

We also know that Republicans needed a quorum to begin the day. Instead of being patriots and showing up at the 9/11 memorial after a quorum had been established and the day begun, Republicans decided to stay and override the governor's veto.

Such patriotism.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:31 pm

seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:

So you are okay with Republicans lying to push their agenda. Got it. Even with evidence presented that this is actually what happened, you are still willing to go with whatever Republicans say. Of course.


I'm not really "ok" with any of it....lying to push their agenda (if that is what occurred), or lying about fictitious 9/11 memorials to generate outrage (which some in the media and on the left have done).


You are DL saying "both sides do it" without saying it. Weak argument, man.

There was a 9/11 memorial. It happened. People attended it. You choose not to believe it happened. Even though it did, media was there, people were there. I happened. You can say it was a lie and never happened. It did. We all know it.

We also know that Republicans needed a quorum to begin the day. Instead of being patriots and showing up at the 9/11 memorial after a quorum had been established and the day begun, Republicans decided to stay and override the governor's veto.

Such patriotism.


Sure, there was a 9/11 memorial that two Democratic legislators attended. So, saying "the GOP scheduled this vote while all of the Democrats were at 9/11 memorials" is a lie. The two Democratic representatives who were at the 9/11 memorial were completely irrelevant to the vote or the quorum. The dozens of other Democratic representatives who weren't at any memorials and who just took the morning off were the ones who cost their party the vote. Using 9/11 as a prop to "get" Republicans is about as low as it gets.
 
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:49 pm

N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:

I'm not really "ok" with any of it....lying to push their agenda (if that is what occurred), or lying about fictitious 9/11 memorials to generate outrage (which some in the media and on the left have done).


You are DL saying "both sides do it" without saying it. Weak argument, man.

There was a 9/11 memorial. It happened. People attended it. You choose not to believe it happened. Even though it did, media was there, people were there. I happened. You can say it was a lie and never happened. It did. We all know it.

We also know that Republicans needed a quorum to begin the day. Instead of being patriots and showing up at the 9/11 memorial after a quorum had been established and the day begun, Republicans decided to stay and override the governor's veto.

Such patriotism.


Sure, there was a 9/11 memorial that two Democratic legislators attended.


Source?

N1611B wrote:
So, saying "the GOP scheduled this vote while all of the Democrats were at 9/11 memorials" is a lie. The two Democratic representatives who were at the 9/11 memorial were completely irrelevant to the vote or the quorum. The dozens of other Democratic representatives who weren't at any memorials and who just took the morning off were the ones who cost their party the vote. Using 9/11 as a prop to "get" Republicans is about as low as it gets.


Again: source? Just because you keep saying something over and over and over with zero proof does not make it true. Links were already posted that prove Republicans said they had no votes scheduled during the memorial. They lied. The proof is there. Click on the link to see the proof.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:54 pm

seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:

You are DL saying "both sides do it" without saying it. Weak argument, man.

There was a 9/11 memorial. It happened. People attended it. You choose not to believe it happened. Even though it did, media was there, people were there. I happened. You can say it was a lie and never happened. It did. We all know it.

We also know that Republicans needed a quorum to begin the day. Instead of being patriots and showing up at the 9/11 memorial after a quorum had been established and the day begun, Republicans decided to stay and override the governor's veto.

Such patriotism.


Sure, there was a 9/11 memorial that two Democratic legislators attended.


Source?

N1611B wrote:
So, saying "the GOP scheduled this vote while all of the Democrats were at 9/11 memorials" is a lie. The two Democratic representatives who were at the 9/11 memorial were completely irrelevant to the vote or the quorum. The dozens of other Democratic representatives who weren't at any memorials and who just took the morning off were the ones who cost their party the vote. Using 9/11 as a prop to "get" Republicans is about as low as it gets.


Again: source? Just because you keep saying something over and over and over with zero proof does not make it true. Links were already posted that prove Republicans said they had no votes scheduled during the memorial. They lied. The proof is there. Click on the link to see the proof.


Sure. Here ya go-

https://www.dailywire.com/news/51676/me ... JRKc3JlRmE
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:08 pm

N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:

Sure, there was a 9/11 memorial that two Democratic legislators attended.


Source?

N1611B wrote:
So, saying "the GOP scheduled this vote while all of the Democrats were at 9/11 memorials" is a lie. The two Democratic representatives who were at the 9/11 memorial were completely irrelevant to the vote or the quorum. The dozens of other Democratic representatives who weren't at any memorials and who just took the morning off were the ones who cost their party the vote. Using 9/11 as a prop to "get" Republicans is about as low as it gets.


Again: source? Just because you keep saying something over and over and over with zero proof does not make it true. Links were already posted that prove Republicans said they had no votes scheduled during the memorial. They lied. The proof is there. Click on the link to see the proof.


Sure. Here ya go-

https://www.dailywire.com/news/51676/me ... JRKc3JlRmE


It still does not excuse the FACT that Republicans put out a schedule saying THERE WOULD BE NO VOTES until the afternoon and THEY LIED. REPUBLICANS LIED. But, I can see how that is the same thing as "a partisan site says no Democrats were at a memorial". Totally the same.
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seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Source?



Again: source? Just because you keep saying something over and over and over with zero proof does not make it true. Links were already posted that prove Republicans said they had no votes scheduled during the memorial. They lied. The proof is there. Click on the link to see the proof.


Sure. Here ya go-

https://www.dailywire.com/news/51676/me ... JRKc3JlRmE


It still does not excuse the FACT that Republicans put out a schedule saying THERE WOULD BE NO VOTES until the afternoon and THEY LIED. REPUBLICANS LIED. But, I can see how that is the same thing as "a partisan site says no Democrats were at a memorial". Totally the same.


Democrats and the media lied as well. Seems as if both sides were in the wrong here.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:03 pm

N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:


It still does not excuse the FACT that Republicans put out a schedule saying THERE WOULD BE NO VOTES until the afternoon and THEY LIED. REPUBLICANS LIED. But, I can see how that is the same thing as "a partisan site says no Democrats were at a memorial". Totally the same.


Democrats and the media lied as well. Seems as if both sides were in the wrong here.


"there was a 9/11 memorial that was optional to attend"

vs.

"we told Democrats there would be no vote but we had one anyway"

Totally the same thing. You can not see that, so we are done.

BTW, the fact check link in your Daily Wire link would have sent me to a virus site. Many reputable sites like Fox and MSNBC fact check and provide links to support their reports. Just FYI.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:27 pm

N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:

Sure, there was a 9/11 memorial that two Democratic legislators attended.


Source?

N1611B wrote:
So, saying "the GOP scheduled this vote while all of the Democrats were at 9/11 memorials" is a lie. The two Democratic representatives who were at the 9/11 memorial were completely irrelevant to the vote or the quorum. The dozens of other Democratic representatives who weren't at any memorials and who just took the morning off were the ones who cost their party the vote. Using 9/11 as a prop to "get" Republicans is about as low as it gets.


Again: source? Just because you keep saying something over and over and over with zero proof does not make it true. Links were already posted that prove Republicans said they had no votes scheduled during the memorial. They lied. The proof is there. Click on the link to see the proof.


Sure. Here ya go-

https://www.dailywire.com/news/51676/me ... JRKc3JlRmE

The best you can do is Ben Shapiro's site?
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:42 pm

seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:

It still does not excuse the FACT that Republicans put out a schedule saying THERE WOULD BE NO VOTES until the afternoon and THEY LIED. REPUBLICANS LIED. But, I can see how that is the same thing as "a partisan site says no Democrats were at a memorial". Totally the same.


Democrats and the media lied as well. Seems as if both sides were in the wrong here.


"there was a 9/11 memorial that was optional to attend"

vs.

"we told Democrats there would be no vote but we had one anyway"

Totally the same thing. You can not see that, so we are done.

BTW, the fact check link in your Daily Wire link would have sent me to a virus site. Many reputable sites like Fox and MSNBC fact check and provide links to support their reports. Just FYI.


"The Republicans scheduled a vote when all the Democrats were at 9/11 memorial ceremonies and couldn't attend" is not the same as "two Democrats were at a 9/11 memorial ceremony...the other 50 simply chose not to attend." Using 9/11 as a cheap political tool to try and "trick" people who are too busy or too disinterested to actually read an article about an incident is dishonest.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:43 pm

Scorpio wrote:
N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Source?



Again: source? Just because you keep saying something over and over and over with zero proof does not make it true. Links were already posted that prove Republicans said they had no votes scheduled during the memorial. They lied. The proof is there. Click on the link to see the proof.


Sure. Here ya go-

https://www.dailywire.com/news/51676/me ... JRKc3JlRmE

The best you can do is Ben Shapiro's site?


And WaPo (which had to retract their original story), and the News & Observer (which is Raleigh's local newspaper). The facts aren't up for debate.
 
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The facts aren't up for debate.


Neither was the budget, apparently. because the N.C. G.O.P. moved to underhandedly hold a vote after claiming they wouldn't do so.

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N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:
N1611B wrote:

Democrats and the media lied as well. Seems as if both sides were in the wrong here.


"there was a 9/11 memorial that was optional to attend"

vs.

"we told Democrats there would be no vote but we had one anyway"

Totally the same thing. You can not see that, so we are done.

BTW, the fact check link in your Daily Wire link would have sent me to a virus site. Many reputable sites like Fox and MSNBC fact check and provide links to support their reports. Just FYI.


"The Republicans scheduled a vote when all the Democrats were at 9/11 memorial ceremonies and couldn't attend" is not the same as "two Democrats were at a 9/11 memorial ceremony...the other 50 simply chose not to attend." Using 9/11 as a cheap political tool to try and "trick" people who are too busy or too disinterested to actually read an article about an incident is dishonest.

So you're basically quibbling about the number of democrats at a 9/11 memorial on 9/11, while the republicans lied about a surprise vote. Sounds about right. :roll:

N1611B wrote:
Using 9/11 as a cheap political tool to try and "trick" people

...is normally the GOP's specialty...but only on their terms. In an all too familiar reminder of how far addled the GOP brain is by mad cow disease, the rep who called this vote reminded us that 9/11 is really just a tool for the GOP to rape and pillage at will, or the terrorists win:

"Republican representative Jason Saine said, "As a former firefighter and an American, I am appalled that anyone in our country would stop going about their normal business on this day. When we stop being a beacon of freedom, hope and democracy, then the terrorists win."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/were-north-c ... kfmevaatca

Pure insanity.
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:00 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
seb146 wrote:

"there was a 9/11 memorial that was optional to attend"

vs.

"we told Democrats there would be no vote but we had one anyway"

Totally the same thing. You can not see that, so we are done.

BTW, the fact check link in your Daily Wire link would have sent me to a virus site. Many reputable sites like Fox and MSNBC fact check and provide links to support their reports. Just FYI.


"The Republicans scheduled a vote when all the Democrats were at 9/11 memorial ceremonies and couldn't attend" is not the same as "two Democrats were at a 9/11 memorial ceremony...the other 50 simply chose not to attend." Using 9/11 as a cheap political tool to try and "trick" people who are too busy or too disinterested to actually read an article about an incident is dishonest.

So you're basically quibbling about the number of democrats at a 9/11 memorial on 9/11, while the republicans lied about a surprise vote. Sounds about right. :roll:

N1611B wrote:
Using 9/11 as a cheap political tool to try and "trick" people

...is normally the GOP's specialty...but only on their terms. In an all too familiar reminder of how far addled the GOP brain is by mad cow disease, the rep who called this vote reminded us that 9/11 is really just a tool for the GOP to rape and pillage at will, or the terrorists win:

"Republican representative Jason Saine said, "As a former firefighter and an American, I am appalled that anyone in our country would stop going about their normal business on this day. When we stop being a beacon of freedom, hope and democracy, then the terrorists win."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/were-north-c ... kfmevaatca

Pure insanity.


None of them are talking about AG Barr just having sided with Saudi national security over 9/11 victims’ families - so they’re all morally bankrupt on the issue anyway.
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:29 pm

N1611B wrote:
.the other 50 simply chose not to attend."

To say that 50 Democrats "chose" to not attend means that they knew a vote would be held at 0830 but decided it wasn't worth their time. For starters, the majority of them were in the basement of the House working on redistricting maps.

Second (and you seem to be ignoring this many times): the minority leader specifically asked whether a vote would be held at 0830 and was told no. That's why he communicated to his caucus that no votes would be scheduled and that they could proceed with normal business. The 9 Democrats on the floor were there to help Republicans establish a quorum to open the day's work by getting through procedural business; otherwise, the business of the day couldn't be opened until the afternoon.

But that's fine. Because in politics, where people are supposed to compromise and trust each other, the new game is "my way through any means or the highway". When Cooper is reelected (and hopefully has a Democratic majority) I hope they sweep through granting Cooper back his power and changing NC politics for the better, leaving Republicans in a hissyfit.

When they go low, hit them back.

For now, all hopes rest with the Senate's Democratic caucus. A single defection allows the override to pass, and I'm certain they'll be on the toes so that these tactics don't happen.
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:03 pm

The NCGOP is the prime example of a party that knows it has lost all future perspective but refuses to give in to that reality and uses all measures to try and stop that inevitable trend.

NC has been trending to the left for years now and, by voter affiliation, is already split 50/50 between Democrats and Republicans. Meanwhile, NC Republicans have used extreme gerrymandering, actual voter fraud (NC-9), shenanigans like this one and, of course, an actual power grab after losing the governor's mansion in 2016 to cling on to power in the state.

With at least one of these assaults on democracy potentially remedied by the NC SC ruling on state electoral maps, one can only hope that the corrupt cesspool that is the NCGOP will lose power on all levels as fast as possible.
And once that happens, I hope the NC Dems will hit back hard and start working to reverse the damage this toxic party has brought over North Carolina, especially in the last decade since they consolidated power under McCrory.
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Re: NC GOP override budget veto with surprise vote on 9/11

Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:44 pm

Just a reminder on why the GOP is filled with liars.

Last week one of the big arguments about why the dems were not present is that they were too busy drawing maps according to the GOP.

From this weeks's Senate leader Phil Berger(R)

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/ ... 37802.html

Senate leader Phil Berger told reporters last week that it could happen this week, but that the Senate was concentrating on a more pressing matter — redistricting the state’s General Assembly districts on court order — which is due in a few days.

What day the budget veto override will be added to the Senate calendar is still to be determined, but there are rules about when notice is given, and to whom.


Meanwhile the budget has no been passed, and teachers are not getting raises, even the step raises from their years of service.
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