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Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:09 pm

President Donald Trump is considering a French plan to allow a $15 billion credit line for Iran should it come back and comply with the Iran nuclear deal, according to a Daily Beast report that cited US and foreign officials.


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-deal-iran-15-billion-nuclear-france-2019-9

Also lol, he went after Obama on the campaign trail for "giving" Iran $150 billion (of their own money) back.
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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:17 pm

I don't see the correlation between "want" and "considering". Isn't it the French who want?
 
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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:43 pm

mham001 wrote:
I don't see the correlation between "want" and "considering". Isn't it the French who want?

The fact that Trump is even considering this shows how far off a cliff he's gone. Hammer Obama for giving $150B of Iran's money back (and lie about it by saying it was taxpayer's money), continue saying that it's the worst deal ever signed (up there with NAFTA), get out of it, clutch your pearls because Iran is about to breach the limits imposed by the deal (that HE tore up), say you're open to a new deal (which looks like the old deal), and then say that the French's idea of a $15B credit line is worth considering...I mean, REALLY?!
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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:45 pm

mham001 wrote:
I don't see the correlation between "want" and "considering". Isn't it the French who want?

Yes that's it. How does all that water you're carrying feel?
 
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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:22 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
mham001 wrote:
I don't see the correlation between "want" and "considering". Isn't it the French who want?

The fact that Trump is even considering this shows how far off a cliff he's gone. Hammer Obama for giving $150B of Iran's money back (and lie about it by saying it was taxpayer's money), continue saying that it's the worst deal ever signed (up there with NAFTA), get out of it, clutch your pearls because Iran is about to breach the limits imposed by the deal (that HE tore up), say you're open to a new deal (which looks like the old deal), and then say that the French's idea of a $15B credit line is worth considering...I mean, REALLY?!


Great summation - total madness. Just shows they have NO idea what the hell they’re doing...
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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:22 am

Yawn, the same people that are outraged at this had no issue when Obama did it under cover of darkness. We get it, y’all despise Trump or tRump like some of the illiterate like to call him.

When y’all learn to be equally outraged no matter the political party involved then we may take your cries seriously.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:07 am

LittleSprocket wrote:
Yawn, the same people that are outraged at this had no issue when Obama did it under cover of darkness. We get it, y’all despise Trump or tRump like some of the illiterate like to call him.

When y’all learn to be equally outraged no matter the political party involved then we may take your cries seriously.


Repatriating seized assets is not a ‘loan’. Yawn...next fake narrative.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:19 am

Looks like Trump is really trying to walk back this Iran thing. Wonder if it has to do with getting Boeing back in the game with all the issues the Max is having. Europe has a lot of leverage over Boeing, and they want the agreement with Iran,

https://www.france24.com/en/20190912-tr ... ts-to-meet

President Donald Trump on Thursday said he believes that Iran's leadership wants a meeting, adding to expectations that he is trying to arrange a summit with his Iranian counterpart at the upcoming UN assembly.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:41 am

I think that Trump has finally realized that the plucked up royally when he trashed the Iran deal. He is also understanding that he needs France to take the leadership in renewing her deal with the US sneaking in under cover from France. Trump wants an out without being humiliated and France is how he achieves that.
 
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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:17 am

Aaron747 wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
mham001 wrote:
I don't see the correlation between "want" and "considering". Isn't it the French who want?

The fact that Trump is even considering this shows how far off a cliff he's gone. Hammer Obama for giving $150B of Iran's money back (and lie about it by saying it was taxpayer's money), continue saying that it's the worst deal ever signed (up there with NAFTA), get out of it, clutch your pearls because Iran is about to breach the limits imposed by the deal (that HE tore up), say you're open to a new deal (which looks like the old deal), and then say that the French's idea of a $15B credit line is worth considering...I mean, REALLY?!


Great summation - total madness. Just shows they have NO idea what the hell they’re doing...


Well, some idea. Only way to keep the Iran deal alive without a public "I was stupid and did a stupid thing" statement from the WH.
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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:00 am

LittleSprocket wrote:
Yawn, the same people that are outraged at this had no issue when Obama did it under cover of darkness. We get it, y’all despise Trump or tRump like some of the illiterate like to call him.

When y’all learn to be equally outraged no matter the political party involved then we may take your cries seriously.


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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:54 am

dragon-wings wrote:
LittleSprocket wrote:
Yawn, the same people that are outraged at this had no issue when Obama did it under cover of darkness. We get it, y’all despise Trump or tRump like some of the illiterate like to call him.

When y’all learn to be equally outraged no matter the political party involved then we may take your cries seriously.


You like making stuff up don't you?


Nah, the difference between returning stolen property when relations normalize after an effective deal is reached and not rejecting multi billion US$ loans to a nation *clearly* violating a *very bad deal* to keep them abiding that very same deal you yourself quit is just a really complex issue.

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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:42 am

He has now fired the guy that made him renounce the deal, so it's not that surprising.

Little known fact, France was harsher than the US when negotiating the deal, in fact Iran held some grudge at us for a time because of it.

The problem I see is that it will be very difficult to get anything more than before from Iran, so Trump will have to talk about having gotten a great deal that isn't any greater than before. Well, I guess he can manage that, along with a photo op.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:49 am

Aesma wrote:
He has now fired the guy that made him renounce the deal, so it's not that surprising.

Little known fact, France was harsher than the US when negotiating the deal, in fact Iran held some grudge at us for a time because of it.

The problem I see is that it will be very difficult to get anything more than before from Iran, so Trump will have to talk about having gotten a great deal that isn't any greater than before. Well, I guess he can manage that, along with a photo op.


Not quite accurate - he had planned to nix the deal long before Bolton was on the scene. It was one of his red meat Obama grudges during the 2016 campaign.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:58 am

Aesma wrote:
The problem I see is that it will be very difficult to get anything more than before from Iran, so Trump will have to talk about having gotten a great deal that isn't any greater than before. Well, I guess he can manage that, along with a photo op.


In fact it will be very difficult to get what we had from Iran. Giving up billions worth of HEU in a deal subject to how someone liked his dinner or latest poll data is not going to fly again. ....

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Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:48 am

Aaron747 : yes he talked about it but didn't do it right away, so it wasn't that high on his agenda, or maybe he had forgotten !

About deals that aren't very different, that's the case for the new NAFTA from my understanding.
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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:59 pm

He insists Iran wants to talk, but if I were in Iran's government, what incentive do I have to talk to someone that tore up an agreement negotiated by his predecessor, especially when 3rd party inspectors affirmed that the country was meeting its commitment?

Why hasn't anyone in the White House or Congress explained to the toddler in chief that actions have consequences? Iran already endured decades of sanctions. They can wait a bit longer for Trump to exit the scene (5 years at most) and hopefully reconnect with a Democrat (or a reasonable Republican) who will assure the country that Trump was a blip and that the US stands by its commitments as long as their counterparts do so as well.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:03 pm

LittleSprocket wrote:
Yawn, the same people that are outraged at this had no issue when Obama did it under cover of darkness. We get it, y’all despise Trump or tRump like some of the illiterate like to call him.

When y’all learn to be equally outraged no matter the political party involved then we may take your cries seriously.


Using ‘y’all’ frequently is not exactly the best way to support your attack on others’ literary skills. :duck:

Obama was returning Iran’s own money. Trump is looking at loaning them money. Are you able to spot the difference?
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:04 pm

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I don't see the correlation between "want" and "considering". Isn't it the French who want?


Don’t you get tired of defending that piece of garbage?
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:19 pm

bgm wrote:
mham001 wrote:
I don't see the correlation between "want" and "considering". Isn't it the French who want?


Don’t you get tired of defending that piece of garbage?

You have this all wrong. You see, conservatives demand that everyone obey, respect, and support the president if the GOP is in power, regardless of how clueless the person is. When it's a Democrat, it's open season, because it's a civic duty to question authority.
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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:07 pm

bgm wrote:
LittleSprocket wrote:
Yawn, the same people that are outraged at this had no issue when Obama did it under cover of darkness. We get it, y’all despise Trump or tRump like some of the illiterate like to call him.

When y’all learn to be equally outraged no matter the political party involved then we may take your cries seriously.


Using ‘y’all’ frequently is not exactly the best way to support your attack on others’ literary skills. :duck:

Obama was returning Iran’s own money. Trump is looking at loaning them money. Are you able to spot the difference?


Not if you are the sort of rube who believes anything Trump says in the first place.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:28 am

In this proposal, who would actually be lending the money, the USA, France or commercial banks in the USA, France or elsewhere?.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:38 am

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Yawn, the same people that are outraged at this had no issue when Obama did it under cover of darkness.



This whole cover of darkness thing is so stupid. Is it even possible somebody could seriously use this as some sort of argument?
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:25 am

The usual suspects are very quiet on this thread, no jumping to Trump's defense...
Maybe after a couple of years of preaching "Iran is bad" it's a hard pill to swallow that Trump now wants to get in bed with them, of course this is only after causing Boeing to lose how much ? In IR orders.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:13 am

jetwet1 wrote:
The usual suspects are very quiet on this thread, no jumping to Trump's defense...
Maybe after a couple of years of preaching "Iran is bad" it's a hard pill to swallow that Trump now wants to get in bed with them, of course this is only after causing Boeing to lose how much ? In IR orders.


They are just still working on a spin that doesn't get them laughed off and is even worth being committed to bits and bytes. They will be back as soon appropriate language has filtered from St. Petersburg via facebook into the heads of US trump supporters

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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:19 pm

Someone should start a list of things that were cancelled after January 2017, renegotiated poorly and then reinstated under worse terms and conditions. Like this deal.
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:12 am

It is possible the Iran nuclear deal is being reinstated because of this.
 
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Re: Trump wants to loan Iran $15 billion? SAD!

Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:29 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
It is possible the Iran nuclear deal is being reinstated because of this.


What will be interesting/nauseating to watch is when Trump oks the $15 billion loan and reinstates the Obama plan by 99.5%, the Trumpettes will be lauding ther Dear Feeder for his brilliant 21D level chess of Iranian containment via that .5% difference in the agreement.

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