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9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:38 pm

What is everyone expecting to see tonight?

Some of my expectations:

1. Candidates tripping over themselves to prove who is more liberal and wants open borders/healthcare for illegals more.

2. Elizabeth Warren may go on the attack and try to knock Biden down. She has been surging lately and this is an opportunity for her.

3. Joe Biden tries to skate by and avoid any major gaffes. However, being the least radical (believe it or not) of the group, he will have to be vigorous defending himself.

4. Candidates offer unrealistic, dreamy promises (free everything for everybody) but offer no way to pay for said promises.

5. Sanders tries to emphasize the “democratic” aspect of “democratic socialist.” He would rather just call himself a socialist but feels the need to throw “democratic” in there to make himself seem less radical.

Any other thoughts?


Edit: I am expecting this thread to be deleted since some of my statements may conflict with the political views of what I suspect is the majority of moderators on this site.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:52 pm

^ They also conflict with reality. For example your Sanders comment is silly since there is no agenda to his wording. Many of his policies are literally a copy of what are already employed in countries where the majority have chosen democratic socialism.
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:22 am

OMG Biden looks like a cross between Hellraiser and the guy who opened the Arc of the Covenant and had his face melt.

On a more serious note just more toxic rhetoric and after they say Trump is some sort of Demon they go back to saying how to tax everyone much more and give people that don't work a living.

Yawn
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:22 am

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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:59 am

Castro:
Trump is a demon because he has no respect
I respect and support the health care of ALL those who are old
"This old guy can't even remember what he said two minutes ago" as a comeback after a policy difference with Biden

What a fool

Didn't have an opinion on him but now he'll never get my vote if I choose to vote in the D primary which I will if there are no good GOP candidates
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:07 am

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OMG Biden looks like a cross between Hellraiser and the guy who opened the Arc of the Covenant and had his face melt.

On a more serious note just more toxic rhetoric and after they say Trump is some sort of Demon they go back to saying how to tax everyone much more and give people that don't work a living.

Yawn


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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:17 am

NIKV69 wrote:
On a more serious note just more toxic rhetoric and after they say Trump is some sort of Demon they go back to saying how to tax everyone much more and give people that don't work a living.

Yawn


Prey tell, how are we supposed to pay for things like the out of control debt, out of control deficit, trade wars, the military, the stupid vanity wall, and health care? We no longer have to worry about keeping the environment clean since the administration decided water is not worth keeping clean. I thought Republicans were all about lowering the debt and deficit and giving everyone a cheaper and greater plan than ACA? We're still waiting.....
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:17 am

Biden's dentures slipped... oooops

https://www.spin.com/2019/09/joe-biden- ... ic-debate/

https://twitter.com/BlazeTV/status/1172326304512823298

I remember when Trump was accused by the MSM of having a denture problem.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps- ... es-2017-12

I haven't seen any articles from CNN or ABC etc about the Biden slip. I guess you have to be Trump to get that kind of scrutiny from the Big Boys...
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:21 am

:lol: Sparks Fly At Third Dem Debate - Colbert's LIVE Monologue

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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:45 am

This debate did have some funny moments but nothing close to the previous one where Julián Castro promised free abortions for trans women!

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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:27 am

One area that continues to be ignored in these so-called Democratic debates, is one a President has significant control over and a major area of weakness for Trump - international policy. While as to Israel I would see little or no difference of R's or D's, the D's could gain by presenting polices that are not angering China over trade, would take a more nuanced policy with Saudi Arabia, not be in favor of Brexit, and for sure none would have conflicts of personal interest with Russia, would make sure any talks with him have a USA National translator and note taker and for sure would stand up to him.

Although I am a loyal Democrat, never voted for a Republican for President since 1972, I do cringe as to certain areas of discussion. In particular talking about guns control policies that would force guns to be turned over to the government, failing to deal with immigration, legal abortion, reparations to descendants of slaves, worrying too much about GLTBQ's instead of creating real jobs, all of which hurt them with many voters, especially White voters.
 
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:53 pm

I'm still waiting for the field to narrow down before I watch a debate. That means, per RCP Polls latest aggregate, the debate stage should be occupied by Biden, Warren, Sanders, Harris, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, and Booker, with Yang and Klobuchar offering the alternate POVs. Eventually, the 5th debate should be such that only the top 5 make it through. The others are merely vanity candidates (O'Rourke, in particular, may have lost his chance to ever run for any office. His 2018 run against Cruz was formidable; his current presidential campaign had promise; he could have transferred that energy into the 2020 senate race but he's turned it down; when his campaign goes down in flames, it'll be ash and nothing more).

If the field only had 10 candidates remaining, I'd still want to see all 10 candidates; but the fact that the 4th debate will feature a second night because Steyer qualified and Gabbard is closing in means, yet again, another randomized sorting where top tier candidates will likely be paired up with 1%ers. Right now, everyone is pulling out their zingers (attacks against the front runners vs stating how their policy is better).

What I will say, though, is looking at the opinion pieces of who won/lost, many say Castro dealt a low blow, but there are a few that praise him for it. I have no opinion since I didn't see it. All I will say is that the debates have been a better organized clown show...but a clown show nonetheless...and this is coming from a Democrat.
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:25 pm

Only saw about the last 45 minutes - thought Biden's rambling, incoherent answer to the final question was Trumpian. Good Lord, he's lost it. I don't know.......Warren and Sanders are far too liberal for many yet Warren seems to be the heir apparent to front-runner status. There's just something about Harris that I don't like, can't really put my finger on it but she rubs me the wrong way. I've always liked Booker but I don't think he can win enough primaries to get the nomination. Mayor Pete has looked good in the debates but does being a mayor of a medium sized town qualify you for the highest office in the land? Look at how things worked out the last few elections with a first term senator and someone with zero previous political experience. Third time's the charm????
 
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:36 pm

Beto went into desperation mode threatening to confiscate people's guns. The GOP is going to love that and that quote is going to be playing on Trump campaign ads throughout 2020.

Biden looked good, and looked Presidential (except for the weird teeth gaffe). He's our best hope, and I say this as a Republican.

Warren and Harris are both liars and don't have a credible chance of competing against Trump.

Buttigeig looked alright. He'd be my second choice behind Biden. I believe that Biden is the only one of the Ds on the stage last night who can beat Trump.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:43 pm

Beto's gun threat will provide good fodder, but it will also provide some good conversation. What exactly do you need an AR-15 for or it's style.
I worry that Biden is just too old and too out of touch to be running. He may be the best choice, but this election is looking like the Grandpas from National Lampoons Christmas vacation are running.

The Democrats need to go back central and work on the social issues that Trump has used to divide everyone ,and they need to look towards highlighting what legal immigration and Trade brings with our international neighbors.

The tax deficit should be highlighted and it should be pointed out that Trump's tarriffs have burdened the middle and low income tax payers.

The environment should be put front and center with a highlight on how renewable energies are already turning the tide, and the war on coal never existed. It is just being abandoned for other sources of energy.
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:46 pm

I love how righteis are telling us "good" reasons why none of these candidates are electable. This one is too short, that one is too tall, too much sweat, not enough sweat, too far left, not far enough left....

Here's an idea: instead of telling us who to vote for, Republicans maybe should fix your own party, first. Give us a reason to think about a choice between R and D. Coal miners have not been paid in weeks, tariffs are killing American workers, legal Americans are dying in immigrant detention, Emoluments Clause being broken every day.... We have a person with less than zero political experience in office and it is killing the economy and foreign relations.
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:59 pm

Beta male who couldn't even get a senate seat is beyond desperate at this point, it's a shame the Democratic party can't just kick him out.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:59 pm

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I love how righteis are telling us "good" reasons why none of these candidates are electable. This one is too short, that one is too tall, too much sweat, not enough sweat, too far left, not far enough left....

Here's an idea: instead of telling us who to vote for, Republicans maybe should fix your own party, first. Give us a reason to think about a choice between R and D. Coal miners have not been paid in weeks, tariffs are killing American workers, legal Americans are dying in immigrant detention, Emoluments Clause being broken every day.... We have a person with less than zero political experience in office and it is killing the economy and foreign relations.


The economy is actually doing pretty well, doom and gloom prognostications about some future recessions excluded.

We don't have to educate you on Trump's positions. He makes them well known. Annoyingly so, at times (wish he would take a break from the Twitter). The Dems need to convince Americans that they can do a better job than Trump is doing. Threatening law-abiding citizens like Beto did last night was a bad look, but Beto knows that he has no realistic chance at winning, so that was just a desperation move. It seems to me as if the Democrats are forgetting why they lost in 2016...moving even further to the left is not likely to help them in 2020, IMO. Many Americans don't like Trump but they also don't like the idea of socialism, or gun confiscation, or of innocent cops being called murderers, etc.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:22 pm

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We don't have to educate you on Trump's positions. He makes them well known.

Please. If anything, I'd say he's the subject of Katy Perry's Hot N Cold:

1. Fiscally conservative while blowing up the deficit.
2. Christian that hasn't been seen at church (even on Sundays)
3. "Hard worker" that spends all day on Twitter complaining about what he saw on TV and goes to his golf clubs on weekends.
4. Pro-military while raiding funds for them for a vanity project.
5. Pro-healthcare without a plan put forward.
6. Pro-LGBT while supporting policies/politicians/judges that impede the march towards equality.
7. Pro-coal and pro-manufacturing, but no signs of factories or coal mining coming to life.
8. Freedom lover that likes to pal around with authoritarian leaders.
9. Pro-Main Street person that enacts Pro-Wall Street policies while leaving Main Street in the dirt.

Have I missed anything?
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:11 pm

Let's also discuss a death threat to one of the Democratic candidates.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/13/2086 ... gun-reform
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/ ... er-1494500

Families and children are dying because of Republican "all guns, all the time" mantra. Beto makes a statement and, surprise surprise, a Texas lawmaker makes death threats against Beto. Instead of saving children and Americans from death.
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:15 pm

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Let's also discuss a death threat to one of the Democratic candidates.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/13/2086 ... gun-reform
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/ ... er-1494500

Families and children are dying because of Republican "all guns, all the time" mantra. Beto makes a statement and, surprise surprise, a Texas lawmaker makes death threats against Beto. Instead of saving children and Americans from death.


Was that a death threat? You can argue it was, and you can argue it wasn't. Beto arguing that the government should come after law-abiding American citizens is not going to get him any votes. Not that it would matter, as such an action would never be permitted in the United States anyways. Like I said, Beto made a desperation move to get press coverage because he knows his campaign is floundering. And it will continue to flounder. Biden is the man to beat.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:31 pm

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Beto went into desperation mode threatening to confiscate people's guns. The GOP is going to love that and that quote is going to be playing on Trump campaign ads throughout 2020.


And it most likely will prove a hit with most Americans! He went 'there'...if Eric Swallwell had that kind of fire on his 1st debate, he'd still be on stage.

Uncle Joe....he's just no gonna make it. Your staff clutching their pearls every time he opens his mouth doesn't bode well in the long game..the staffers will die of stroke before election 2020.

'A record player'??? Does he even know what a mp3 file or an iPod is?

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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:34 pm

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N1611B wrote:
Beto went into desperation mode threatening to confiscate people's guns. The GOP is going to love that and that quote is going to be playing on Trump campaign ads throughout 2020.


And it most likely will prove a hit with most Americans! He went 'there'...if Eric Swallwell had that kind of fire on his 1st debate, he'd still be on stage.

Uncle Joe....he's just no gonna make it. Your staff clutching their pearls every time he opens his mouth doesn't bode well in the long game..the staffers will die of stroke before election 2020.

'A record player'??? Does he even know what a mp3 file or an iPod is?

A REQUIREMENT for the next prez...you MUST be capable of opening a gmail account in 2 minutes of less without assistance. He/She MUST have a minimal grasp of the digital age.


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I don't think most Americans are eager to see the government forcibly deprive them of their constitutional rights. Not that Beto's proposal is even realistic, as the SCOTUS would never allow it, and Beto knows that.

Biden may be old, but so is Trump, and he still won. Americans aren't going to vote against someone just because they are old, particularly when the options are old person one versus old person two.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:47 pm

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BN747 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
Beto went into desperation mode threatening to confiscate people's guns. The GOP is going to love that and that quote is going to be playing on Trump campaign ads throughout 2020.


And it most likely will prove a hit with most Americans! He went 'there'...if Eric Swallwell had that kind of fire on his 1st debate, he'd still be on stage.

Uncle Joe....he's just no gonna make it. Your staff clutching their pearls every time he opens his mouth doesn't bode well in the long game..the staffers will die of stroke before election 2020.

'A record player'??? Does he even know what a mp3 file or an iPod is?

A REQUIREMENT for the next prez...you MUST be capable of opening a gmail account in 2 minutes of less without assistance. He/She MUST have a minimal grasp of the digital age.


BN747


I don't think most Americans are eager to see the government forcibly deprive them of their constitutional rights. Not that Beto's proposal is even realistic, as the SCOTUS would never allow it, and Beto knows that. .


Let's see, there's sure to be plenty more mass shootings in the next 10 months...given the nation's barometer on that, Beto may have jumped everyone with bold move.

Regardless of it's likely occurence, his ;I'm coming for your guns' slogan could very well be as empty as 'building the Wall and Mexico will pay for it' BS - but far more popular.

[quote="N1611B"]Biden may be old, but so is Trump, and he still won. Americans aren't going to vote against someone just because they are old, particularly when the options are old person one versus old person two.[/quote

Well the Orange Moron is old and stupid which is different from old and gaffe prone.

Plus, the Orange One will be missing 3 important key 'Must haves from' 2016 that delivered Big back then.

1. A Comey/FBI a bottom of the 9th inning bombshell.
2. Russian Assistance (maybe...maybe not)
3. Unblemished record - well, that's used toilet paper now.

...so yeah, where are those new voters gonna come from?

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Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:09 pm

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Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:12 pm

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Biden may be old, but so is Trump, and he still won. Americans aren't going to vote against someone just because they are old, particularly when the options are old person one versus old person two.

What I find hilarious about the progressive wing of the Democrats is that the wing says Biden is too old, but their standard bearer is the oldest candidate in the field.

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Was that a death threat?

While I agree that it wasn't a death threat (saying you'll be prepared to fight is different than saying "I will kill you"), the optics doesn't do the Republican any favors, especially in light of the mass shootings. It also highlights the question as to whether that Republican is sane enough to own a firearm in the first place. If the first instinct is to mention the fact that you're armed and ready to shoot, you've lost the message; instead, a rational answer would have left Beto in the dust. The current answer would make the tread carefully against the guy if I ever run into him out of fear he will resolve any issues with a gun (again, optics matter).
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:13 pm

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N1611B wrote:
BN747 wrote:

And it most likely will prove a hit with most Americans! He went 'there'...if Eric Swallwell had that kind of fire on his 1st debate, he'd still be on stage.

Uncle Joe....he's just no gonna make it. Your staff clutching their pearls every time he opens his mouth doesn't bode well in the long game..the staffers will die of stroke before election 2020.

'A record player'??? Does he even know what a mp3 file or an iPod is?

A REQUIREMENT for the next prez...you MUST be capable of opening a gmail account in 2 minutes of less without assistance. He/She MUST have a minimal grasp of the digital age.


BN747


I don't think most Americans are eager to see the government forcibly deprive them of their constitutional rights. Not that Beto's proposal is even realistic, as the SCOTUS would never allow it, and Beto knows that. .


Let's see, there's sure to be plenty more mass shootings in the next 10 months...given the nation's barometer on that, Beto may have jumped everyone with bold move.

Regardless of it's likely occurence, his ;I'm coming for your guns' slogan could very well be as empty as 'building the Wall and Mexico will pay for it' BS - but far more popular.

N1611B wrote:
Biden may be old, but so is Trump, and he still won. Americans aren't going to vote against someone just because they are old, particularly when the options are old person one versus old person two.[/quote

Well the Orange Moron is old and stupid which is different from old and gaffe prone.

Plus, the Orange One will be missing 3 important key 'Must haves from' 2016 that delivered Big back then.

1. A Comey/FBI a bottom of the 9th inning bombshell.
2. Russian Assistance (maybe...maybe not)
3. Unblemished record - well, that's used toilet paper now.

...so yeah, where are those new voters gonna come from?

BN747


The "I'm going to send the military to your homes to arrest you for abiding by the law" pledge is not going to be a popular one, I can assure you. Beto now has zero chance at the nomination (he only had a slim one before last night), so I'm no longer concerned with him. I'm actually grateful that he gave the GOP a soundbyte last night that they can use against the DNC during this upcoming election season.

If 2016 taught us anything it should have been to not underestimate Trump (or his voters). You can count out his chances for reelection, but people counted out his chances of being elected in the first place in 2016 and we all saw how that turned out.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:36 pm

N1611B wrote:
BN747 wrote:
N1611B wrote:

I don't think most Americans are eager to see the government forcibly deprive them of their constitutional rights. Not that Beto's proposal is even realistic, as the SCOTUS would never allow it, and Beto knows that. .


Let's see, there's sure to be plenty more mass shootings in the next 10 months...given the nation's barometer on that, Beto may have jumped everyone with bold move.

Regardless of it's likely occurence, his ;I'm coming for your guns' slogan could very well be as empty as 'building the Wall and Mexico will pay for it' BS - but far more popular.

N1611B wrote:
Biden may be old, but so is Trump, and he still won. Americans aren't going to vote against someone just because they are old, particularly when the options are old person one versus old person two.[/quote

Well the Orange Moron is old and stupid which is different from old and gaffe prone.

Plus, the Orange One will be missing 3 important key 'Must haves from' 2016 that delivered Big back then.

1. A Comey/FBI a bottom of the 9th inning bombshell.
2. Russian Assistance (maybe...maybe not)
3. Unblemished record - well, that's used toilet paper now.

...so yeah, where are those new voters gonna come from?

BN747


The "I'm going to send the military to your homes to arrest you for abiding by the law" pledge is not going to be a popular one, I can assure you. Beto now has zero chance ....


Rush Limbaugh's lawyers will be contacting you for stealing his brand of over top hyperbole with that one...nothing else to be discussed when someone's that far gone with their own interpretations.

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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:44 pm

BN747 wrote:
N1611B wrote:
BN747 wrote:

Let's see, there's sure to be plenty more mass shootings in the next 10 months...given the nation's barometer on that, Beto may have jumped everyone with bold move.

Regardless of it's likely occurence, his ;I'm coming for your guns' slogan could very well be as empty as 'building the Wall and Mexico will pay for it' BS - but far more popular.



The "I'm going to send the military to your homes to arrest you for abiding by the law" pledge is not going to be a popular one, I can assure you. Beto now has zero chance ....


Rush Limbaugh's lawyers will be contacting you for stealing his brand of over top hyperbole with that one...nothing else to be discussed when someone's that far gone with their own interpretations.

BN747


Agreed, Beto really went over the top last night. Glad we both see that.
 
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:22 pm

I believe that it was a good night overall.

My impressions:

Sanders needs to drop out. He is an angry old man shouting in a manner that reminds me of Trump. Warren is far better at carrying the Left's programs and has a far better chance of getting voters - especially with a Biden/Warren ticket.

Biden got through it without any disasters. He's my pick for the nomination because of his international relations experience. Trump has chucked up our relationships with our long term allies an d it is critical that we return to normal. Biden has IMO the best chance of taking care of that.

Beto needs to keep building his profile and then run for Senate - with the strong support of the DNC. Mayor Pete would be a solid member of Biden's Cabinet, but the Democrats need most Senators in the running to STAY in the Senate and then add a couple more to take over the Senate from Moscow Mitch,
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:27 pm

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I believe that it was a good night overall.

My impressions:

Sanders needs to drop out. He is an angry old man shouting in a manner that reminds me of Trump. Warren is far better at carrying the Left's programs and has a far better chance of getting voters - especially with a Biden/Warren ticket.

Biden got through it without any disasters. He's my pick for the nomination because of his international relations experience. Trump has chucked up our relationships with our long term allies an d it is critical that we return to normal. Biden has IMO the best chance of taking care of that.

Beto needs to keep building his profile and then run for Senate - with the strong support of the DNC. Mayor Pete would be a solid member of Biden's Cabinet, but the Democrats need most Senators in the running to STAY in the Senate and then add a couple more to take over the Senate from Moscow Mitch,


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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:04 pm

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OMG Biden looks like a cross between Hellraiser and the guy who opened the Arc of the Covenant and had his face melt.

On a more serious note just more toxic rhetoric and after they say Trump is some sort of Demon they go back to saying how to tax everyone much more and give people that don't work a living.

Yawn


Arnold Toht is the guy whose face melted but I'm not sure it was he who opened the Ark; I think that was Belloq.


I stand corrected but boy is BIden's face scary!

I also love how they are attacking his age. It was some debate. Still drags the party way left. Good for Primary bad for general.
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:57 pm

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The "I'm going to send the military to your homes to arrest you for abiding by the law" pledge is not going to be a popular one, I can assure you. Beto now has zero chance ....


Rush Limbaugh's lawyers will be contacting you for stealing his brand of over top hyperbole with that one...nothing else to be discussed when someone's that far gone with their own interpretations.

BN747


Agreed, Beto really went over the top last night. Glad we both see that.


We vertainly do not. Beto isn't participating on A.net, in reference to Rush type hyperbole used by you...but your feeble attempt of spin explains 'republican logic (powered by fewer brain cells)' perfectly.


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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:59 pm

Who are these people? Sad is to not see a single American flag. These people wanting to be President, hate this country. They have no love for it. Power hungry ineptocrats.
 
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:58 pm

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Who are these people? Sad is to not see a single American flag. These people wanting to be President, hate this country. They have no love for it. Power hungry ineptocrats.


Might be time for an eye exam? Biden had one and Sanders has always worn his gold Congressional lapel, like, forever. In any case a litmus test of patriotism via accessories is asinine. 45's kids almost never wear one, the DHS secretary doesn't wear one, John Bolton hardly ever wears one (whereas Pompeo's is identical to 45's), Tucker Carlson never wears one, and in recent media appearances Mad Dog Mattis doesn't wear one. I suppose they are all lacking patriotism too? Silly season.

Maybe if you were really concerned about patriotism you'd be asking why the GOP stands behind a guy who lent voice to 9/11 conspiracy theories and allows his DOJ to continue the Bush/Obama tradition of choosing Saudi state needs over 9/11 victims' families, as AG Barr just did yet again.
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:12 pm

Looks like Uncle Joe's (other night)'play the radio and record player' advice and his 40years ago comment of 'I don't care what happened 300 years ' as a cure for' Black poverty stricken families' ...has just ejected his chances.

On AM Joy, a guest stated that contact was made to him by the Orange Moron peeps, made available access to additional racially insensitive videos from Uncle Joe's past. If that is true, it is telling that if he is pitted against the current WH occupant...he will effectively and instantly neutralize 'the racist words by this president'. If not true...is it a ploy to dethrone Uncle Joe from the front runner's pedestal.

It is the perfect Lose-Lose scenario (of his own making) for Uncle Joe.

He cannot over come this as too many minorities were floored by his comment and they are fleeing in droves...it can only get worst from here.

His staff will be too busy constantly putting out fires, let alone trying to prep him for additional debates.

He will hurt the cause of Dems across the board if he does not step aside ASAP. Each day is only prolonging the obvious.

Uncle Joe is No racist.
But unfortunately he (his mind) is permanently stuck in the age 1975 liberalism on race issues...and has not evolved much since, at least to the point of filtering what has happened since then. He hasn't a clue.

Sorry Uncle Joe...but you've gotta go!


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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:38 pm

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Looks like Uncle Joe's (other night)'play the radio and record player' advice and his 40years ago comment of 'I don't care what happened 300 years ' as a cure for' Black poverty stricken families' ...has just ejected his chances.

On AM Joy, a guest stated that contact was made to him by the Orange Moron peeps, made available access to additional racially insensitive videos from Uncle Joe's past. If that is true, it is telling that if he is pitted against the current WH occupant...he will effectively and instantly neutralize 'the racist words by this president'. If not true...is it a ploy to dethrone Uncle Joe from the front runner's pedestal.

It is the perfect Lose-Lose scenario (of his own making) for Uncle Joe.

He cannot over come this as too many minorities were floored by his comment and they are fleeing in droves...it can only get worst from here.

His staff will be too busy constantly putting out fires, let alone trying to prep him for additional debates.

He will hurt the cause of Dems across the board if he does not step aside ASAP. Each day is only prolonging the obvious.

Uncle Joe is No racist.
But unfortunately he (his mind) is permanently stuck in the age 1975 liberalism on race issues...and has not evolved much since, at least to the point of filtering what has happened since then. He hasn't a clue.

Sorry Uncle Joe...but you've gotta go!


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If it’s true that trump’s surrogates are trying to drudge up Biden’s past comments to detail his front runner status then I hope it doesn’t work. With his having served so long in the senate, of course there are things he has said that were inappropriate at the time, just like many, many other folks at the time. But I mean really. The man proudly served as Barack Obama’s Vice President for 8 years and supported him all the way. I can’t fathom him being in any way a racist or a bigot. He has done many other things throughout his career aside from being Obama’s VP that have been in support of policies that have helped African Americans as well. By this standard there are a whole lot of politicians who wouldn’t have been qualified to serve. I really hope people don’t try to cast that kind of light on him. Especially given the myriad of truly racist things trump has said and done throughout his life and career as well as what he continues to say and do everyday for the entire country to see. No comparison. I’ll take Biden over trump any day of the week.
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:52 pm

jdstJD wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Looks like Uncle Joe's (other night)'play the radio and record player' advice and his 40years ago comment of 'I don't care what happened 300 years ' as a cure for' Black poverty stricken families' ...has just ejected his chances.

On AM Joy, a guest stated that contact was made to him by the Orange Moron peeps, made available access to additional racially insensitive videos from Uncle Joe's past. If that is true, it is telling that if he is pitted against the current WH occupant...he will effectively and instantly neutralize 'the racist words by this president'. If not true...is it a ploy to dethrone Uncle Joe from the front runner's pedestal.

It is the perfect Lose-Lose scenario (of his own making) for Uncle Joe.

He cannot over come this as too many minorities were floored by his comment and they are fleeing in droves...it can only get worst from here.

His staff will be too busy constantly putting out fires, let alone trying to prep him for additional debates.

He will hurt the cause of Dems across the board if he does not step aside ASAP. Each day is only prolonging the obvious.

Uncle Joe is No racist.
But unfortunately he (his mind) is permanently stuck in the age 1975 liberalism on race issues...and has not evolved much since, at least to the point of filtering what has happened since then. He hasn't a clue.

Sorry Uncle Joe...but you've gotta go!


BN747


If it’s true that trump’s surrogates are trying to drudge up Biden’s past comments to detail his front runner status then I hope it doesn’t work. With his having served so long in the senate, of course there are things he has said that were inappropriate at the time, just like many, many other folks at the time. But I mean really. The man proudly served as Barack Obama’s Vice President for 8 years and supported him all the way. I can’t fathom him being in any way a racist or a bigot. He has done many other things throughout his career aside from being Obama’s VP that have been in support of policies that have helped African Americans as well. By this standard there are a whole lot of politicians who wouldn’t have been qualified to serve. I really hope people don’t try to cast that kind of light on him. Especially given the myriad of truly racist things trump has said and done throughout his life and career as well as what he continues to say and do everyday for the entire country to see. No comparison. I’ll take Biden over trump any day of the week.


No question that Uncle Joe's past actions/words are/were more of a plus than a negative.

That said, if such empirical evidence exist (and likely it does)...then rest assure it will allow the Orange Moron a free pass on his racist antics since the escalator.
It's Comey/Hillary bombshell big enough to drain millions of votes from the 'sensitive crowd to the 'stay at homers' who will do exactly that.

Dems cannot afford that gamble. It is not worth it.

Edit:Leave one stand alone candidate (not both) stand with stench of racism on his shoe (think dogs here) and start the Impeachment process in order to stick the stench of Impeachment on the other shoe...make him wear both as a badge of dubious honor.

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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:10 pm

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Who are these people? Sad is to not see a single American flag. These people wanting to be President, hate this country. They have no love for it. Power hungry ineptocrats.


There is no winning with you people. If they had worn flags, you all would be complaining they are made in China and why are these nobodies supporting China.

At least they have tangible plans instead of "elect me again and I will do stuff this time!"
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:19 pm

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Who are these people? Sad is to not see a single American flag. These people wanting to be President, hate this country. They have no love for it. Power hungry ineptocrats.

It's funny that even when the media puts out headlines over nothing, YOU don't see them. The Hill, in particular, was all over how Yang had his flag pin on the wrong side.

And since when is wearing a flag pin a requirement to be president?

Obama wore one all the time, but I'm under the impression that you think he hates America too.
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:21 pm

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There is no winning with you people. If they had worn flags, you all would be complaining they are made in China and why are these nobodies supporting China.

If they had worn flags, the complaints would be that they wore too little flags. For the party conventions next summer, Democrats will go first. Save this reply: Fox News and Co, with Trump and others, will note the "few" American flags on stage, and when the GOP has its convention shortly after, they'll line the stage with flags and have flags flying in the back, and have flags hanging from everywhere. In fact, don't be surprised if the stage becomes a flag maze.
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:21 pm

seb146 wrote:
extender wrote:
Who are these people? Sad is to not see a single American flag. These people wanting to be President, hate this country. They have no love for it. Power hungry ineptocrats.


There is no winning with you people. If they had worn flags, you all would be complaining they are made in China and why are these nobodies supporting China.

At least they have tangible plans instead of "elect me again and I will do stuff this time!"


I know huh, these types that bitch about 'the Flag', kneeling in protest over the nationl anthem, Flag disrespect, etc...


...go so quiet, that you can hear a church mouse pissing on cotton when you asked them their take the highest act of treason by Cheney/Libby's unmasking of an undercover US CIA agent, Valerie Plame, to get at her husband, Amb. Joe Wilson.

Hear anything from them about that?

Yeah, the silence is deafening.

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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:37 pm

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Who are these people? Sad is to not see a single American flag. These people wanting to be President, hate this country. They have no love for it. Power hungry ineptocrats.


Stupid people focus on banal idiosyncrasies such as lapel pins rather than the content of their message. And from what I've seen of your recent posting history, you are a grade A idiot, so this is a natural conclusion.
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:46 pm

Not talking about pins, talking about the stage of the debate. You guys are wrapped up way too tight.
 
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:19 pm

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These people wanting to be President, hate this country. They have no love for it. Power hungry ineptocrats.


Aesthetics aside, just curious..if they hate America, how did you handle what Cheney pulled by outing CIA agent Valerie Plame? Are there post here, by you, reflecting your inflamed anger of anti-American, treasonous conduct or were silent then?

I mean, if you're this bent about Dems not sporting flags...how is that more offensive than endangering a front line protector of American interest?

Reconcile that logic if you can.

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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:52 pm

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Not talking about pins, talking about the stage of the debate. You guys are wrapped up way too tight.


The candidates were not the ones to decorate the stage. That's a no brainer.

Another quickie: Biden's reference to putting on the record player refers to playing music to stimulate the little kids brains. That has been known for decades as an important approach in child development. While a lot of younger voters might not understand what a record player is they will eventually as vinyl albums are clearly coming back. That means those who turn their nose up at Biden today over that remark will probably be buying a record player at some point in the future.
 
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:04 pm

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Not talking about pins, talking about the stage of the debate. You guys are wrapped up way too tight.


The candidates were not the ones to decorate the stage. That's a no brainer.

Another quickie: Biden's reference to putting on the record player refers to playing music to stimulate the little kids brains. That has been known for decades as an important approach in child development. While a lot of younger voters might not understand what a record player is they will eventually as vinyl albums are clearly coming back. That means those who turn their nose up at Biden today over that remark will probably be buying a record player at some point in the future.


Perhaps..but I don't that method was applicable to that specific demographic.

I don't think you can find one black poor family owning (let alone listening to) records by Paginnini, Brahms or Beethoven. He could not have possibly believed that back then Plus, listening to music was certainly not a leisurely past time in those days.

He's out of step, Ken...by a cosmic mile.

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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:39 pm

Ah, the mob mentality. Glad to see it is alive and well.
 
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:33 pm

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Ah, the mob mentality. Glad to see it is alive and well.


Tell us again how America is great now but not 1776-2016? The MAGA base actually believe that if they elect their dear leader again and again that he will actually do something about mass shootings, health care costs, tariffs killing American farmers, coal workers dying and not being paid, food stamps being taken away, children in dog crates, LGBTQ rights.............
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Re: 9/12 Democratic Debate Thread

Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:29 pm

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Who are these people? Sad is to not see a single American flag. These people wanting to be President, hate this country. They have no love for it. Power hungry ineptocrats.


At least they weren't flying the Antifa flag. :shock:
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